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Re: the bible
« Reply #30 on: April 14, 2008, 07:36:41 PM »
Cool.  I'm due to get some new books soon, I'll keep an eye out for one of those.  Cheers!


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Re: the bible
« Reply #31 on: April 14, 2008, 09:43:44 PM »
I've read the King James version off and on my entire life and still think to this day that it can't be beat in terms of poetic beauty and composition. However, if one is needing to study the Bible for any reason, it's probably the last version to read since it's also really hard to understand/interpret. I'm with Darth Chimay regarding the New American Standard. Moreso if it's a study guide version.


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Re: the bible
« Reply #32 on: April 14, 2008, 10:34:36 PM »
Well the King James Version I have been studying my entire life is the LDS version...er not version, its just the same King James Version you would find in the 1800's. So a lot of the wording is a lot more complex and harder to understand than the newer versions. And going on with what Tyrant said...I think with all of the wording changes (while it can be good to help people understand) it makes the poetry and...well majesty so to speak of the bible less noticeable.

I mean, I think they lose some of the literary...poetry for lack of a better term. I mean, you lose some of the chiasmus's in the text and so forth. There are just little things that make studying the bible from a literary standpoint more worthwhile and, well, cooler, that you lose when you change the text for understanding.


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Re: the bible
« Reply #33 on: April 15, 2008, 02:22:13 AM »
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I've actually heard Christians quote things about Satan said in Paradise Lost like they were from the Bible.  It's quite strange.

also a large part of peoples belief in heaven and hell comes from paradise AND inferno.  pretty sad actually. 


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Re: the bible
« Reply #34 on: April 15, 2008, 05:15:20 AM »
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I've actually heard Christians quote things about Satan said in Paradise Lost like they were from the Bible.  It's quite strange.

also a large part of peoples belief in heaven and hell comes from paradise AND inferno.  pretty sad actually. 

Waitaminute... You mean there's no passage in the bible that describes Judas being anally raped for eternity? Boo!

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Re: the bible
« Reply #35 on: April 15, 2008, 05:41:03 AM »
Ah.  The whole various names for seemingly different evil beings that may or may not refer to the same adversary thing has always confused me.

Funny, Tripe and I were just talking about a great resource for just such questions... John Romer's "Testament". A little understanding of the (pardon the term) evolution of today's more popular text can add a lot to understanding the seeming inconsistencies. I'm not a scholar by any stretch of the imagination, but when you begin to see how many cultures, themes and motivations have shaped the texts we most commonly see today it's amazing to me there's anything coherent left.

If you can manage to read it as just a novel, it's a little trippy, but a great window into the social mind-set of the times... dependin on, as Tripe said, which version you read.

Good tip, thanks.  This hasn't been something on the top of my research list or anything, but I'll be sure to keep an eye out for that one next time I'm at the bookstore.
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Re: the bible
« Reply #36 on: April 15, 2008, 05:48:46 AM »
Ah.  The whole various names for seemingly different evil beings that may or may not refer to the same adversary thing has always confused me.

Funny, Tripe and I were just talking about a great resource for just such questions... John Romer's "Testament". A little understanding of the (pardon the term) evolution of today's more popular text can add a lot to understanding the seeming inconsistencies. I'm not a scholar by any stretch of the imagination, but when you begin to see how many cultures, themes and motivations have shaped the texts we most commonly see today it's amazing to me there's anything coherent left.

Absolutely, the book is great and if you can see the show ever it's brilliant too, I can't emphasise enough how good Romer is at explaining the history of the bible. Sadly though I did a search on Amazon and while his other, Egyptology specific, books (which are also very good because that's what he is first and formost) are mostly all available, Testament seems to be out of print :(

Anybody know which version is the best?
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Oh, I will. depending on what you want from the bible lets say you want either clarity or poetry. If it's the former I'd go with either Today's New International Version or The New Jerusalem Bible depending on if you want the Protestant or Catholic cannon respectively.

If it's poetry, the thees and thous and all the begats I'd go with either the King James Version (technically it should really be called the Prince James version but there we go) or the Douay-Rheims Version again depending on wheather you want Protestant or Catholic Cannon.
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Re: the bible
« Reply #37 on: April 15, 2008, 06:34:56 AM »
Testament seems to be out of print :(

How many do you want?
http://search.ebay.com/romer-testament_W0QQfromZR41
There are tons of gently used copies out there for pennies.
I would also highly recommend his mini-series "Byzantium" for a cultural slant on the subject. A little digging can yield the DVDs for $10.00 USD or so.
Your local Library is also a good possibility for this as it's not that old.
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Re: the bible
« Reply #38 on: April 15, 2008, 06:38:50 AM »
You know I've not actually ssee Byzantium, or if i have I don't recall it. I'll have to track that down :)
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Re: the bible
« Reply #39 on: April 15, 2008, 07:26:51 AM »
You know I've not actually ssee Byzantium, or if i have I don't recall it. I'll have to track that down :)

Most definitely!
Seriously, I put it right up there with Testament. It isn't an all-inclusive history of the Byzantine Empire, it's more about the heartbeat.
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Re: the bible
« Reply #40 on: April 15, 2008, 09:13:17 AM »
If you're REALLY into Biblical interpretation, with the linguistics and semantics and whatnot, the New English Translation is the best.  The translations are clearly well thought-out, and there are even footnotes explaining each translation.  In this way, it is possible to see the entire process of translation even if you're not a linguist.  It also ensures the reader won't feel cheated out of the full weight of the meaning of the words themselves.

The full text of the NET Bible is available here:

http://www.bible.org/netbible/index.htm
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Re: the bible
« Reply #41 on: April 15, 2008, 09:16:37 AM »
Probably my best translated Apocrypha is the NET one.


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Re: the bible
« Reply #42 on: April 15, 2008, 11:10:51 AM »
Choosing a translation is difficult. I suppose it boils down to belief. There are a lot of bibles out there, especially modern ones, that try to "fix" contradictions and other messiness, much to the detriment of the book. I don't know if there are any real rules of thumb out there for recognizing these translations, and I'm not accusing any of the translations listed above of being one of these, but it is something to keep in mind when looking for a bible. I prefer mine with all the errors and such, as it allows the reader to more easily get into the mind of the writer.

A pretty decent online translation is the Skeptic's Annotated Bible (http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com). It's the King James version (which actually is pretty accurate), and has a lot of cross-referencing. They've also gone through the Book of Mormon and the Quran.


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Re: the bible
« Reply #43 on: April 15, 2008, 12:18:08 PM »
I used a student's study bible in some ancient history classes, no idea what "Translation" it was, but it was very straightforward and had good notes. 

Probably the NIV or NEV or one based on them.


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Re: the bible
« Reply #44 on: April 15, 2008, 04:13:41 PM »
This just reminds me of back before I decided Christianity wasn't my path and I went to confirmation classes at the Presbyterian Church my Mom started taking us to.  I really wanted to learn about the bible so I went out and bought my own copy of "The Student Bible" and took it to class with me.  The next week the teacher had bought me a copy of the Good News Bible to replace it.  Was really confused that day, but I took it.
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