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Re: Spiderman or Hulk Would be cool
« Reply #15 on: November 08, 2006, 11:37:12 PM »
Really? (Checks his copy of Ultimate Spider-Man #100.) Well I'll be. How can I read the name so often and not notice that? :^)


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Re: Spiderman or Hulk Would be cool
« Reply #16 on: November 08, 2006, 11:42:29 PM »
It's partially a pet-peeve of mine, and partially just an opportunity to make a stupid doctor joke. Actually, according to Stan the Man, the publisher made him hyphenate the name to make it look less like Superman. Since they're such similar characters.


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Re: Spiderman or Hulk Would be cool
« Reply #17 on: November 09, 2006, 05:07:08 AM »
It's partially a pet-peeve of mine, and partially just an opportunity to make a stupid doctor joke.

And how long you been waiting to use that joke?
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Re: Spiderman or Hulk Would be cool
« Reply #18 on: November 09, 2006, 05:17:05 AM »
It's partially a pet-peeve of mine, and partially just an opportunity to make a stupid doctor joke.

And how long you been waiting to use that joke?

There's an episode of Friends which has a similar joke in it.


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Re: Spiderman or Hulk Would be cool
« Reply #19 on: November 09, 2006, 05:19:57 AM »
It's partially a pet-peeve of mine, and partially just an opportunity to make a stupid doctor joke.

And how long you been waiting to use that joke?

There's an episode of Friends which has a similar joke in it.

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Re: Spiderman or Hulk Would be cool
« Reply #20 on: November 09, 2006, 05:52:50 AM »
I've decided the intangible bad quality of the Hulk movie stems from the ironic fact that it was too good to be a Hulk movie. Stay with me on this one.
I think there might be some subject matter out there that needs to be Cheesy in order to be swallowed. If you're going to watch a movie about a huge rampaging monster, you don't really WANT a whole lot of psychological development. The Hulk was an excellent character study of supressed rage. I really think the whole first part of the movie was DESIGNED to make the audience antsy, wondering when Bruce would just DO SOMETHING about everything happening to him, thus making the release and transformation a nice rewarding death star explosion.

And it might have worked, had the audience not been paying to see a Hulk movie. :^)

I'm a pretty big fan of the green goliath and his many writers have had to struggle with the dillema of what to do with a character that powerful. There's no denying the Hulk is cool and powerful and the concept is awesome, but once you have that established, what do you DO with him? Getting back to my point, Ang decided to go with psychological drama, which keeps the character development interesting and adds a depth that you just can't find in your average Godzilla movie. But the people shelling out the bucks for the tickets wanted something more along the lines of a Godzilla movie. We wanted destruction, mayhem, and little substance. So by trying to make the movie deep and intellectual, they gave us something other than what we wanted, so we rejected it.

In closing, I think we have a rare case of "So good, it's bad." :^)


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Re: Spiderman or Hulk Would be cool
« Reply #21 on: November 09, 2006, 05:56:48 AM »
The Hulk swinging a tank by the turret for example. Anyone with an ounce of knowledge would know that either the hulk would fall over or the turrent would break.

I bet the turret wouldn't break if Hulk didn't bend it sideways. But of course, he'd have to get the tank off the ground and in the air before putting any pressure on the turret, because there's no way that cannon barrel could support the weight of that tank enough to lift it off the ground. But it is all moot when you realize that no human could ever get that big and live to tell the tale. Stupid reality!!!  >:(


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Re: Spiderman or Hulk Would be cool
« Reply #22 on: November 09, 2006, 08:58:32 PM »
It's partially a pet-peeve of mine, and partially just an opportunity to make a stupid doctor joke.

And how long you been waiting to use that joke?

There's an episode of Friends which has a similar joke in it.

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Re: Spiderman or Hulk Would be cool
« Reply #23 on: November 14, 2006, 12:15:51 PM »
Like Terminator 2 or Batman Begins, Spider-Man's reputation is better than the movie itself.  It's pretty conventional stuff, not to mention more than a bit corny.  The Green Goblin?  Ick.  I loved Spider-Man 2, which is a purer, more imaginative movie, but Spider-Man feels like it was put together before the moviemakers found their voice.  Not a bad movie, but it's riffable, just not as much as the more deserving Daredevil or Batman Forever (I just don't see how Val Kilmer's ass contributed to the overall work).

Hulk has a lot of good stuff in it, but it's all scattered about in a film with no central force to keep it together.  It's not bad, but it's unformed, like a John Boorman picture.  They came up with some powerful ideas and didn't put them into a coherent script.  It's a shambles with good pieces in it.  The other weakest point is Eric Bana, whose inexpressive face never changes (like Christian Bale in Batman Begins).  I'd riff it, but the moviemakr's other work isn't very riffable.  You'd have better luck adding Fantastic Four to the list.


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Re: Spiderman or Hulk Would be cool
« Reply #24 on: November 14, 2006, 01:18:09 PM »
Like Terminator 2 or Batman Begins, Spider-Man's reputation is better than the movie itself.  It's pretty conventional stuff, not to mention more than a bit corny.  The Green Goblin?  Ick.  I loved Spider-Man 2, which is a purer, more imaginative movie, but Spider-Man feels like it was put together before the moviemakers found their voice.  Not a bad movie, but it's riffable, just not as much as the more deserving Daredevil or Batman Forever (I just don't see how Val Kilmer's ass contributed to the overall work).

Hulk has a lot of good stuff in it, but it's all scattered about in a film with no central force to keep it together.  It's not bad, but it's unformed, like a John Boorman picture.  They came up with some powerful ideas and didn't put them into a coherent script.  It's a shambles with good pieces in it.  The other weakest point is Eric Bana, whose inexpressive face never changes (like Christian Bale in Batman Begins).  I'd riff it, but the moviemakr's other work isn't very riffable.  You'd have better luck adding Fantastic Four to the list.

I agree with you on most parts, except for the stuff about Terminator 2 and Batman Begins.  They are two movies that deserve all of the hype the get.  I'll agree that Spider-Man didn't deserve the hype.  It was an alright movie but it had shoddy pacing, corny effects, and just lacked the gravitas that make a good flick.


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Re: Spiderman or Hulk Would be cool
« Reply #25 on: November 14, 2006, 02:10:17 PM »
I think they should do Hulk.. It's a "Must Riff"

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Re: Spiderman or Hulk Would be cool
« Reply #26 on: November 16, 2006, 02:15:45 AM »
Like Terminator 2 or Batman Begins, Spider-Man's reputation is better than the movie itself.  It's pretty conventional stuff, not to mention more than a bit corny.  The Green Goblin?  Ick.  I loved Spider-Man 2, which is a purer, more imaginative movie, but Spider-Man feels like it was put together before the moviemakers found their voice.  Not a bad movie, but it's riffable, just not as much as the more deserving Daredevil or Batman Forever (I just don't see how Val Kilmer's ass contributed to the overall work).

Val Kilmer's ass may just have given the best performance in that movie.

Hulk has a lot of good stuff in it, but it's all scattered about in a film with no central force to keep it together.  It's not bad, but it's unformed, like a John Boorman picture.  They came up with some powerful ideas and didn't put them into a coherent script.  It's a shambles with good pieces in it.  The other weakest point is Eric Bana, whose inexpressive face never changes (like Christian Bale in Batman Begins).  I'd riff it, but the moviemaker's other work isn't very riffable.  You'd have better luck adding Fantastic Four to the list.
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You make good points about Spider-Man, but I'm too big a fanboy to see them myself. Except that ridiculous Green Goblin costume. Yikes. And why hasn't Fantastic Four been mentioned more for riffing? It's worse than Daredevil as far I'm concerned, but it made a lot of money, so it must be better.


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Re: Spiderman or Hulk Would be cool
« Reply #27 on: November 17, 2006, 10:20:40 PM »
Lol @ people thinking that Spider-man 2 is "unriffable"

-Toby Maguire as Spiderman! - the least likely action hero ever, also peter parker is very dorky (how is that unriffable?)
-Willem Dafoe as Himself!  - Dafoe is type cast as the same friggin (bad guy) character in at least 2 movies every year
- Cheesy lines galore "your friendly neighborhood spider man"
- The generic 1930's news editor / office
- stan lee cameo / James Franco / ant. b / etcetera

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Re: Spiderman or Hulk Would be cool
« Reply #28 on: November 20, 2006, 05:35:44 PM »
I agree with everything Pak-Man said re: The Hulk. I'm an Ang Lee fan and a comic-book fan, and I thought the combination worked really well. Really, everything Ang Lee DOES is about suppressed rage. And Eric Bana's performance was amazing for what it was: a portrayal of someone DESPERATELY TRYING NOT TO SHOW ANY EMOTION. People never seem to get that it wasn't someone's wooden acting, it was someone acting wooden.

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However, I would NEVER call anything "unriffable" simply because I LIKED it. What matters is whether or not it would be FUNNY.


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Re: Spiderman or Hulk Would be cool
« Reply #29 on: November 20, 2006, 06:12:24 PM »
I think Ang Lee has a habit of making genre movies intended for people who aren't fans of the genre, as with Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon and (imo) Brokeback Mountain (most of the people who like sort of boring indy relationship movies that I know didn't like it.) He tried a more mainstream comic book movie with the Hulk, but the conceits of comic books are so part of our culture that normal comic book movies are as mainstream as it gets, and the attempt just fell flat on its face.

So, in a sense I agree with Pak-Man in that it had a lot of stuff one normally finds in good movies and not in comic book ones, i.e. the more in depth character development and what have you, but I don't think they make it in any way a 'good' movie, since they don't fit the rest of the story.