I know every one says Star Trek V is bad and all.

[Xenon]

INSURRECTION is the worst TREK film of them all. People bitch about the singing in TREK V, but at least it wasn't showtunes, found in INSURRECTION. Barf.

"Mr. Worf! Activate the Emergency Karaoke Machine!" 

Yeah, that was pretty bad. Then again, I felt the same about The Next Generation altogether... I find comparing the TNG movies to the TOS movies a little like comparing apples and oranges... plus of course my own anti-TNG bias. So I'm going to stick with ST-V as the worst of the TOS film and leave it at that.

[Tommy Servo]

I consider Sartreak 5 to be the wurst film of the series. I give it 1000 stars out of 2 stars on the bad film rating scale.hmmmmmm now that I think about it........I consider satreak 5 the best of all the films in the known universe and I give it 1,000,000 stars out of 1,000,000.

Just my opinion though.

[TorgoTheGreat]

This might just be me. But dose anyone eles think that "Star Trek: Insurrection" and "Star Trek: Nemesis" were the worst of the Trek Films.. Sure Star Trek V was mediocre at best. But i can stand watching it by itself. But when it comes to those two films, Well Lets just say the mutant freaks in Insurrection and the Picard clone & the bat people from (The Wrath of Khan Ripp-off) Nemesis were more lame then Kirk finding god in my opinion. Overall i find Star Trek V to be a somewhat mediocre film. But not a entirely terrible flim. On the other hand. What Mike and Kevin did to it was nothing but hilarious.

Insurrection and Nemesis are, to me anyway...just unwatchable.

In fact, I have only seen them once -- the day I saw them in the theater.

The ONLY way I would watch them again is if Mike riffs them.

I wouldn't miss them then for anything! LOL

Torgo

[Fahbs]

Here is a pretty good deconstruction of Star Trek V

http://www.jabootu.com/startrekv.htm


Has everyone forgotten about Generations? There is no debate, that was without a doubt the worst one. They were interviewing the 2 writers on some show, and one thing they said showed you just how much of a trainwreck the whole thing was. At one point when one said "Kirk dies", it was misunderstood as "Kirk flies", so a whole scene was written with Kirk flying with Picard in some sort of Superman/Lois dream sequence/love scene. The scene got fairly far along until someone finally caught it. I suspect no one asked questions sooner because it made just as much damn sense as anything else in the movie.


The only decent Next Generation movie was First Contact, but even that was marred by the Borg Queen, which managed to take the ruthless Borg hivemind and turn them into a pretentious bore.

Nemesis was Wrath of Kahn rewritten by children

WoK: Two foes, one of which has a Captain Ahab level grudge against the other which causes him to pursue him.
Nemesis: Two foes, one of which....is a child clone of the other? Who is supposed to be Picard's darker version had he....been raised on a Romulan slave mine?

WoK: Villain acquires a ship by stealing it.
Nemesis: Villain acquires a ship by...the Romulans building then handing over a giant doomsday battleship to a race that they have brutally enslaved for centuries and probably hates their guts without any sort of safeguards whatsoever? Said ship could wipe the floor with their conventional fleet and is orbiting their planet while armed with a planet doomsday device.

WoK: A cat and mouse game is played out, inspired by classic submarine films such as The Enemy Below and Run Silent, Run Deep. Logical naval combat tactics employed. Villain is defeated by counting on his obsessive hatred and luring him into a trap to blast him with ship to ship weapons. When defeated, with an utterly crippled ship, the villain employs a self-contained doomsday device on board.
Nemesis: The villain's cloak is defeated by a psychic link established during his horndog session of trying to telepathically pork Troi. The Enterprise RAMS the enemy ship at near light speed, but comes out mostly intact because of its edged saucer shape(). The villain's ship is so crippled that none of the engines or weapons work, but the one thing still working is the doomsday weapon which TAKES UP THE MAJORITY OF THE SHIP'S STRUCTURE (right, but none of the smaller weapons work). The most clever method of defeating the villain's giant space battleship that the writers can think up is beaming Picard over to John Woo his way through dozens of battle hardened shock troops, alone, to the enemy bridge. Data then jumps through space between the two ships and blows up the interior with a hand weapon.

WoK: Spock gets dignified funeral.
Nemesis: Data's clone sings.

[Cap'n UKRiffer]

Generations was the worst cos of the awfully crappy way they killed of Kirk... i mean come on, it's Kirk!

[davo]

This might just be me. But dose anyone eles think that "Star Trek: Insurrection" and "Star Trek: Nemesis" were the worst of the Trek Films.. Sure Star Trek V was mediocre at best. But i can stand watching it by itself. But when it comes to those two films, Well Lets just say the mutant freaks in Insurrection and the Picard clone & the bat people from (The Wrath of Khan Ripp-off) Nemesis were more lame then Kirk finding god in my opinion. Overall i find Star Trek V to be a somewhat mediocre film. But not a entirely terrible flim. On the other hand. What Mike and Kevin did to it was nothing but hilarious.

yeah,but you GOTTA do one of the shatner films if you're going to riff one 


..and why does everyone hate the 1st star trek movie so much?  to keep the myth that "every even numbered movie are the good ones"?  that whale one sucked bigtime!  (yeah, i know it's 4)

[Bus Taker]

INSURRECTION is the worst TREK film of them all. People bitch about the singing in TREK V, but at least it wasn't showtunes, found in INSURRECTION. Barf.

TREK V is actually a good TREK adventure, but stumbles badly every 20 minutes.

I actually liked Insurrection - good character development and humor if you can get past the 120 year old nip & tuck addicts.  Those unimpressive bad guys would've been dusted by Khan in the first scene.

Nemesis should have been A LOT better if they remembered that it is possible for a movie to exceed 2 hours.  The death scene was shortened, the long-awaited wedding scene was utterly slashed and there were other inappropriate cuts.

The way I see it, Trek V proved that even at its worst, Star Trek is still pretty good storytelling.  If you forgive the timeline inconsistencies, bad jokes, utter BS about the center of the universe, unbelievability of Enterprise crew being easily brainwashed....  Okay it was pretty bad but I still liked it! 

That said, I just watched Trek V w/RiffTrax and it was hilarious!  I'm looking forward to doing more of these!
VulcanPhil

[Monty22001]

Trek V at least isn't that boring.  Except for all the weird fighting on the 'planet of peace' garbage.  I actually think the scene of Spock's birth is really well done, so is McCoy's dad stuff.  The ending of course falls completely apart.  The really depressing thing is that they didn't go with ILM for the FX and they all look ridiculously bad. 

Insurrection though is BORING.  I can't think of a single scene that stands out.  The shot of time slowing down is ok, but everything else is sooo forgettable.  Nemesis sucked too, mostly because of the Khan ripoff elements and that the Picard clone was horribly done.

I rank: 2, 3, 6, First Contact, 4, 1, Generations, 5, Nemesis, Insurrection

The first ones on my are fairly close in quality and so are the last 2.

[Monty22001]

Any movie that kills off DATA is worth two lumps of dog poo and a glass of horse urine....

Here, here! Not to mention the way the aftermath of Data's death was handled. His shipmates barely seemed to care.

No kidding.  Picard has never laughed harder than at the end of that movie.  Awful.

[mrbasehart]

Any movie that kills off DATA is worth two lumps of dog poo and a glass of horse urine....

Here, here! Not to mention the way the aftermath of Data's death was handled. His shipmates barely seemed to care.

No kidding.  Picard has never laughed harder than at the end of that movie.  Awful.

Maybe Patrick Stewart was happy he wouldn't have to make any more Star Trek movies...? 

[daltysmilth]

I still think the Motion Picture is the worst overall.  Although Insurrection wasn't that much better.  But at least stuff happens in Insurrection.  Here's a breakdown of every single scene from ST:TMP:

(Interminable series of admittedly breathtaking and really well-done 2001: A Space Oddyssey-type special effects shots that last for upwards of ten minutes.)

(Cut to: reaction shots of Kirk and the dad from 7th Heaven.)

(Cut to more unnecessarily long stretches of special effects.)

(Cut to reaction shot of Uhura and Checkov.)

(Cut to fifteen more minutes of special effects that I hope ILM got paid a whole lot for, because they really are well done, even though they last for unnecessarily long stretches of time.)

(Cut to shot of McCoy.  McCoy says:)

MCCOY:  My God.  I've never seen anything like this.

(And then no other character has any more lines of dialogue for another half-hour.)

[Monty22001]

dalty, you left out the nice transporter malfuction sequence, but overall I can't disagree.  Be sure to catch the new Director's cut of TMP though, since they redid a lot of the FX sequences that were a little rusty.

[Sharktopus]

And don't leave out the biggest selling point of the director's cut DVD: the restored overture - two whole minutes of starfield to the strains of Jerry Goldsmith's beautiful score. Quite possibly the most interesting part of the movie. That or Persis Khambatta's legs.

[daltysmilth]

I saw the director's cut.  It was still the most boring thing ever.  But now it's the most boring thing ever with computer generated effects.  I wish they would have done something similar to the rest of the Star Trek directors cut DVD's.  I mean, they can use computer special effects to make a new shot of the Enterprise flying through space, but they can't afford to digitally remove Checkov's "dutch boy" collar in Star Trek III?

[Sharktopus]

Yeah, I was disappointed that they didn't overhaul all the Trek movies' sfx like they did the first one. Imagine how much more kickass Wrath Of Khan would be with state of the art CGI? They could even digitally put a t-shirt over Ricardo Montalban's glistening pectorals.