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Ahoy! RiffTrax Piracy! It's out there... (Scurvy Dogs!)
« on: July 23, 2007, 09:26:58 PM »
Yeah, the other day I did a search for RiffTrax.  I don't know why, maybe I was just bored.  In any event, I was amazed and ashamed to discover that there were, in fact numerous torrent sites that feature downloadable content.  I can't say for sure, but it seems that in some cases, it wasn't just the audio commentaries, but the movies as well.  I don't even know if the torrents w/ the movies had been synced up to the commentaries.  All I can say is Geez!  What a bunch of cheap bastards.  I mean afterall, the commentaries ar e what, a whole $1-3 max?!?   What would the appropriate punishment be, do you think, for such an affront?   Suggestions? :deadhorse: :deadhorse: :deadhorse:


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Re: Ahoy! RiffTrax Piracy! It's out there... (Scurvy Dogs!)
« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2007, 10:13:32 PM »
riff a porno.


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Re: Ahoy! RiffTrax Piracy! It's out there... (Scurvy Dogs!)
« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2007, 10:14:44 PM »
wait, who are we trying to punish?


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Re: Ahoy! RiffTrax Piracy! It's out there... (Scurvy Dogs!)
« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2007, 10:25:33 PM »
I'm posting this from the a thread in the Battlefield Earth subforum, with two additions.  First of all, if you want to help with this, post on the torrent page a link to the donate page, and explain why it's not cool to pirate them.  Don't be condescending, it won't work.  Try to appeal to the fan side of the people who post these.

Secondly, I found a new "rationale" for piracy today.  I won't get a credit card and i don't trust paypal, therefore I HAVE to pirate these, and I repost them for people in the same predicament as me.  Impressive.  The thing is, despite trying to reach out to people, providing email addresses and remaining calm, we have yet to receive a single email from someone on a site.  They prefer to talk the talk I guess.  Here's my post from before:

What I've observed most thru looking at Porno sites is that no matter what, people will think of some justification for what they are doing.

Among what I've seen:

-This gets them more exposure, we're actually increasing sales

-17 years ago, MST3K put a message saying "keep circulating the tapes" in the credits, so this is OK

-People will get these anyway from somewhere else, so who cares if they're here.

-I do these for people who bought them so they don't have to synch them up themselves

-RiffTrax is stealing artwork from George Lucas, so that legitimizes me stealing from them.  (Note:  Also not true.  Everything we do falls under fair use.  and, as an important distinction, if we were to find out that we are doing something that is considered legally questionable, not that we are, we would cease doing it, as we obey the law.

-I will buy the riff as soon as this finishes downloading, so if it gets taken off before hand, whoever reports it is costing them money.  (note:  My favorite.  Just imposing your own morality on a situation and pretending like that's the way things go.  "I'm going to shoot this dog if I throw this ball up in the air and it hits the ground.  [throws ball, it comes back down and hits ground].  Well I'm shooting the dog, but its not my fault, gravity made me do it."

I think that most people who download stuff for free are aware of the legality of what they are doing.  They may be morally detached from it, but they know its wrong.  If you have to convince someone that illegally downloading something is illegal, it is not someone that you can really hope to convince of anything.

The anonymity of the internet permits people to act like complete dipshits with no consequences.  If you were to meet the pirate bay commenters face to face, they would not tell you that you suck and that it is their right to distribute your work for free and that you should thank them for increasing awareness to your product.  Also, as an interesting note, when we posted an email address and said we would answer any questions people had for us regarding our "image theft" or other issues, we did not get a single email.  When they are just trolling a message board, it doesn't really impact anything, but its when they post the products that it starts to get intolerable.

The most important thing you can do is just put a face behind the issue, which I think we're able to do.  We are a tiny company, we discuss these issues all the time, and we've come to the conclusion, that no, it is not "valuable free advertising" to have a 19 Trax Porno posted on demonoid for anyone to download.  I don't know why anyone who is interested in RiffTrax would think that is fun or helpful to do such a thing, unless they so desperately crave the attention or ratio boost that it provides  But the donate page seems to be a successful way to reach out to people, so if you ever want to post a link to that if you see something like this out there, please feel free to do so.

Could talk myself in circles about this all day long.  It's complicated, and it's not going away, so I'll shut up for now.


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Re: Ahoy! RiffTrax Piracy! It's out there... (Scurvy Dogs!)
« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2007, 04:00:22 AM »
I'm posting this from the a thread in the Battlefield Earth subforum, with two additions.  First of all, if you want to help with this, post on the Porno page a link to the donate page, and explain why it's not cool to pirate them.  Don't be condescending, it won't work.  Try to appeal to the fan side of the people who post these.

Secondly, I found a new "rationale" for piracy today.  I won't get a credit card and i don't trust paypal, therefore I HAVE to pirate these, and I repost them for people in the same predicament as me.  Impressive.  The thing is, despite trying to reach out to people, providing email addresses and remaining calm, we have yet to receive a single email from someone on a site.  They prefer to talk the talk I guess.  Here's my post from before:

What I've observed most thru looking at Porno sites is that no matter what, people will think of some justification for what they are doing.

Among what I've seen:

-This gets them more exposure, we're actually increasing sales

-17 years ago, MST3K put a message saying "keep circulating the tapes" in the credits, so this is OK

-People will get these anyway from somewhere else, so who cares if they're here.

-I do these for people who bought them so they don't have to synch them up themselves

-RiffTrax is stealing artwork from George Lucas, so that legitimizes me stealing from them.  (Note:  Also not true.  Everything we do falls under fair use.  and, as an important distinction, if we were to find out that we are doing something that is considered legally questionable, not that we are, we would cease doing it, as we obey the law.

-I will buy the riff as soon as this finishes downloading, so if it gets taken off before hand, whoever reports it is costing them money.  (note:  My favorite.  Just imposing your own morality on a situation and pretending like that's the way things go.  "I'm going to shoot this dog if I throw this ball up in the air and it hits the ground.  [throws ball, it comes back down and hits ground].  Well I'm shooting the dog, but its not my fault, gravity made me do it."

These excuses are so transparently ridiculous as to be very amusing.


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Re: Ahoy! RiffTrax Piracy! It's out there... (Scurvy Dogs!)
« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2007, 04:37:10 AM »
Haha, do I smell a wordfilter?

Porno

edit: Yes!


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Re: Ahoy! RiffTrax Piracy! It's out there... (Scurvy Dogs!)
« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2007, 05:04:40 AM »
I can understand the frustration. I've reported about 5 torrents just these past few weeks. The only thing I can say is at least they are on demonoid, because the mods will actually delete the torrents! So, many thanks to them. I always mention how small a compnay rifftrax.com is and that each upload hurts them. And sure enough, in a day or two they are all deleted! :-) But yeah, TPB is another story...  :(


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Re: Ahoy! RiffTrax Piracy! It's out there... (Scurvy Dogs!)
« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2007, 06:37:38 AM »
Haha, do I smell a wordfilter?

Porno

edit: Yes!
LOL

Makes more sense now hehe...
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Re: Ahoy! RiffTrax Piracy! It's out there... (Scurvy Dogs!)
« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2007, 08:40:58 AM »
These excuses are so transparently ridiculous as to be very amusing.

I realized today that the excuses are the equivalent of the old abusive boyfriend/parents quote "You made me do this to you!"  It's always the fault of the creator for not doing something that "makes" someone go and upload a 19 trax torrent.


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Re: Ahoy! RiffTrax Piracy! It's out there... (Scurvy Dogs!)
« Reply #9 on: July 24, 2007, 08:52:36 AM »
Haha, do I smell a wordfilter?

Porno

edit: Yes!

I was hoping some people would enjoy that, in some way.


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Re: Ahoy! RiffTrax Piracy! It's out there... (Scurvy Dogs!)
« Reply #10 on: July 24, 2007, 09:19:21 AM »
Well, I'm not going to shy away and not admit that I got on this entire bandwagon because of...errr...torn-ants sites (HA! take that filter!). I had purchased all the Legend discs but was leary on the Rifftrax concept only because of having to sync up and such. So, I visited the Pirate Bay and downloaded Willy Wonka. I loved it and wondered why I had been waiting so long, almost a year. I signed up and downloaded about 14 tracks to get me started and have been watching one a night to keep up. I also plan on being an active member of this here crazy forum of yours. However, I might not have come here (then again maybe I might have) if I hadn't had that taste of Wonka from the download.

However, I don't think you folks are all up in arms about a download here or there to generate interest. It is when you search for Rifftrax now on that site and you find somebody offering nearly the entire library in one go. That's got to be a hard pill to swallow. I think the Fake Generations Riff was a good way of showing "fans" that Mike and Kevin are even pissed about it. Reading the pleas (well, maybe not pleas...urgings, more like) of some unknown guy who works for RiffTrax might not get the job done but putting out those fake tracks from Mike and Kevin puts faces to everything.
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Re: Ahoy! RiffTrax Piracy! It's out there... (Scurvy Dogs!)
« Reply #11 on: July 24, 2007, 10:23:49 AM »
I just wanted to let everyone know that I love torrents!


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Re: Ahoy! RiffTrax Piracy! It's out there... (Scurvy Dogs!)
« Reply #12 on: July 24, 2007, 10:33:12 AM »
Well, I'm not going to shy away and not admit that I got on this entire bandwagon because of...errr...torn-ants sites (HA! take that filter!). I had purchased all the Legend discs but was leary on the Rifftrax concept only because of having to sync up and such. So, I visited the Pirate Bay and downloaded Willy Wonka. I loved it and wondered why I had been waiting so long, almost a year. I signed up and downloaded about 14 tracks to get me started and have been watching one a night to keep up. I also plan on being an active member of this here crazy forum of yours. However, I might not have come here (then again maybe I might have) if I hadn't had that taste of Wonka from the download.

However, I don't think you folks are all up in arms about a download here or there to generate interest. It is when you search for Rifftrax now on that site and you find somebody offering nearly the entire library in one go. That's got to be a hard pill to swallow. I think the Fake Generations Riff was a good way of showing "fans" that Mike and Kevin are even pissed about it. Reading the pleas (well, maybe not pleas...urgings, more like) of some unknown guy who works for RiffTrax might not get the job done but putting out those fake tracks from Mike and Kevin puts faces to everything.


Well - we would hope that the YouTube clips and free previews that we have placed on our catalog pages would be enough to spark the interest, ya know? We aren't going to impale specifically you, cuz you signed up and bought your tracks afterward, but unfortunately, the rest of the net-using populous is not so respectful as you =",
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Re: Ahoy! RiffTrax Piracy! It's out there... (Scurvy Dogs!)
« Reply #13 on: July 24, 2007, 08:10:04 PM »
Well, I'm not going to shy away and not admit that I got on this entire bandwagon because of...errr...torn-ants sites (HA! take that filter!). I had purchased all the Legend discs but was leary on the Rifftrax concept only because of having to sync up and such. So, I visited the Pirate Bay and downloaded Willy Wonka. I loved it and wondered why I had been waiting so long, almost a year. I signed up and downloaded about 14 tracks to get me started and have been watching one a night to keep up. I also plan on being an active member of this here crazy forum of yours. However, I might not have come here (then again maybe I might have) if I hadn't had that taste of Wonka from the download.

However, I don't think you folks are all up in arms about a download here or there to generate interest. It is when you search for Rifftrax now on that site and you find somebody offering nearly the entire library in one go. That's got to be a hard pill to swallow. I think the Fake Generations Riff was a good way of showing "fans" that Mike and Kevin are even pissed about it. Reading the pleas (well, maybe not pleas...urgings, more like) of some unknown guy who works for RiffTrax might not get the job done but putting out those fake tracks from Mike and Kevin puts faces to everything.


Well - we would hope that the YouTube clips and free previews that we have placed on our catalog pages would be enough to spark the interest, ya know? We aren't going to impale specifically you, cuz you signed up and bought your tracks afterward, but unfortunately, the rest of the net-using populous is not so respectful as you =

I think one can view the snippits as trailers (I hadn't seen the YouTube postings. Only the clip on the title page) and for me, personally, I was wondering if Mike could pull off the comedic gold he has for years on a film I actually love as there are a few flicks on Rifftrax that I enjoy. He did and, again, I signed up. I think my point here is that there IS some good that can come out of torn-ant sites. Napster years ago introduced me to so many artists that populate my CD collection now. However, you are right. Sadly the majority doesn't use such places as stepping stones and prefer to just nab the whole pie. I imagine that most of these people are young and have grown up with having anything they want at their fingertips all their lives. Hard to reason with somebody who has never lived the alternative. Me being a brisk 30 (errr....okay, fine, slight gut) I remember purchasing my own films and CDs. The net has become a preview outlet.

It looks like you folks either put some sense into the guy offering 23 tracks or the site took them down but they are no longer online over at TPB. Codos! :)

(SIDE NOTE: There is a 300 RiffTrax Pre-Release posted there. Somebody is now claiming it to be a virus so I'm not touching it.)
« Last Edit: July 24, 2007, 08:44:59 PM by NummyMuffinCoCoButter »
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Re: Ahoy! RiffTrax Piracy! It's out there... (Scurvy Dogs!)
« Reply #14 on: July 24, 2007, 08:27:32 PM »
Looks like the 23 Rifftrax pack is gone.  Nice work people and, I suppose, Pirate Bay!