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Offline Jinto

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Jim Butcher's Dresden Files
« on: May 10, 2007, 02:15:43 AM »
So has anyone else been reading the Dresden Files book series? And what did you think about the recent TV series on Sci-Fi? I enjoy the book series, and naturally dislike the changes made for the TV series, having read the books first. Try as I might to forgive inevitable changes between the formats, I can't really rate the TV series very high. Not that it stopped me from watching mind you.

And what other books have you read that mixed magic and other fantasy elements within a modern day setting (and didn't suck horribly in the process)? Tad Williams' War of the Roses was somewhat interesting, though I'd only give it an average rating overall.


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Re: Jim Butcher's Dresden Files
« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2007, 02:35:51 AM »
My roommate's currently plowing through the Dresden Files, so I'll probably be picking up his paperback sloppy seconds soon. One thing he's mentioned is that it made him go back and read Matt Wagner's Mage: The Hero Discovered and The Hero Defined again, which is never a bad thing.
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Re: Jim Butcher's Dresden Files
« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2007, 01:10:53 PM »
I read the first one and it wasn't bad.  I like the setting a awful lot.  I'll probably pass on the rest of the series though.  The protagonist didn't grab me.  I really like his Furies of Calderon series.
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Re: Jim Butcher's Dresden Files
« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2007, 11:54:19 PM »
I read the first one and it wasn't bad.  I like the setting a awful lot.  I'll probably pass on the rest of the series though.  The protagonist didn't grab me.

I still haven't read them, but the first book in an ongoing series is usually the weakest.


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Re: Jim Butcher's Dresden Files
« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2007, 08:28:34 AM »
I think maybe if anything is "weak" about the series is that the writing style may eventually get old to some people. Specifically, the pace of the story never seems to change. Dresden is often "a step behind" and thus rushed to catch up, so the pace is often frantic. Still, I've always liked the "down on his luck P.I." theme (having also been a fan of the Tex Murphy pc-game series. Tex being a down on his luck, fedora and trenchcoat wearing P.I. set in post-nuke San Francisco.), so I'm still enjoying the series after 9 books. Although I think perhaps this last book, White Night, was the weakest I've read in the series thus far, though still a decent read.

I've also found the integration of  'Holy Knights, Fallen Angels, and Demons' mixed with 'Fae, the Fae Realms, Dragons, and Old Gods' mixed with 'Vampires and Werewolves', mixed with straight up wizardry and sorcery, and other mystical elements to present no real inconsistency in the storytelling, at least that I've noticed. This almost seems surprising in a way, trying to work with such a jumble of themes, but it seems to work out well in my opinion, and is no big deal really. Maybe it just gives the story room to explore different areas without limiting it to a straight "vampire hunter" theme, or something else of that limited (or focused depending on your perspective) scope.


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Re: Jim Butcher's Dresden Files
« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2007, 02:56:33 AM »
Well, I've just finished off the sixth in the series and have already begun the seventh. Needless to say, I'm loving the Dresden Files. It takes equal parts Harry Potter, Buffy, and just enough noir detective trappings to keep things grounded, all delivered by a lovable wiseass misanthrope protagonist. I feel sorry for the first book I read that isn't narrated by Harry Dresden.

I love that, as Jinto mentioned, there's room for every conceivable supernatural situation in Dresden's world, and rather than contradict, or overwhelm, it all fits together beautifully. I also love that, rather than just choosing one iconic type or set of rules for, say, vampires, or werewolves, Butcher just says "They're all real, they're all out there, they all work differently, and they all interact."

I know I'm piling on the love here, but I haven't enjoyed being immersed in a fictional universe this much in a long while. Harry Dresden's head is a fun place to ride around in. I look forward to polishing off the rest of the books, then impatiently waiting for the next.

I'll probably be picking up the TV series DVD set as well. I'm always curious to see how things get adapted. I know it won't be the same, but hopefully the show will help fill my Dresden-shaped hole for a while.
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Re: Jim Butcher's Dresden Files
« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2007, 06:19:09 PM »
i've found very few books of that type that worked out well. However werewolf books generalyl fall in those trappings, and some of them are very good. In fact, I can reccomend a book that's on it's way to publishing, soon, called, simply Lycanthrope: http://www.jonlrabbit.bravepages.com/

Very VERY good book. Got a nice timeline as well.

Waldo comes to mind, but it's not really set now...

And, Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency, anyone?


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Re: Jim Butcher's Dresden Files
« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2007, 02:12:02 AM »
And, Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency, anyone?

As with all Douglas Adams novels, the two Dirk Gently books put humorous situations ahead of plot. I love Adams' writing, but imagine if he'd been stronger at storytelling.


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Re: Jim Butcher's Dresden Files
« Reply #8 on: August 13, 2007, 06:48:21 AM »
And, Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency, anyone?

As with all Douglas Adams novels, the two Dirk Gently books put humorous situations ahead of plot. I love Adams' writing, but imagine if he'd been stronger at storytelling.

He wouldn't be Adams ;D

I liked both Dirk Gently Books even if the first is just a retrofitted Dr Who story, I really liked The Long Dark Teatime of the Soul, but then I was going through a phase of liking Norse Mythology when I first read it. I'm also uncommonly fond of Pot Noodles.

Good Omens is a pretty good book for mixing the supernatural with the mundane. And Pratchett's Johnny Maxwell books are also pretty good at doing the same in juvenile literature.



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Re: Jim Butcher's Dresden Files
« Reply #9 on: August 13, 2007, 11:01:16 PM »
Well, I'm all out of Dresden novels, and the TV series was a pale imitation, to say the least. Get typing, Mr Butcher!


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Re: Jim Butcher's Dresden Files
« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2007, 03:24:50 PM »
Well, I'm all out of Dresden novels, and the TV series was a pale imitation, to say the least. Get typing, Mr Butcher!

You and me Sharky, we're on the same page... the blank separator page between the last book and the next. :cheers:

Get typing indeed Mr. Butcher, get typing.  ;D


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Re: Jim Butcher's Dresden Files
« Reply #11 on: August 19, 2007, 01:01:49 AM »
So Jinto, what would you say was your favorite installment? My roommate and I agree that Dead Beat was the must fun. Man, what a movie that would make - zombies, a reanimated T-rex, and a one-man polka band. What's not to love?


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Re: Jim Butcher's Dresden Files
« Reply #12 on: August 19, 2007, 04:10:16 PM »
Yep, the series is pretty compelling, but I've been a fan of horror/fantasy/detective stories for a long time.  The  audiobook versions read by Jim Marsters (Spike from Buffy the Vampire Slayer) and are pretty good,  too.     


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Re: Jim Butcher's Dresden Files
« Reply #13 on: August 20, 2007, 02:00:01 PM »
So Jinto, what would you say was your favorite installment? My roommate and I agree that Dead Beat was the must fun. Man, what a movie that would make - zombies, a reanimated T-rex, and a one-man polka band. What's not to love?

Hehe, yeah. That's pretty hard to beat. It's hard to pick a favorite whole book though, when so many scenes from each book are so awesome, and not just the action scenes.

Dresden confessing to Michael about picking up a certain item. Michael's daughter standing before members of the White Council. The raid on castle Winter. Battles in the Nevernever involving, among other things, Faeries armed with box cutters (that image still makes me laugh). Dresden gets a 'good look' at a particular member of the White Court of vampires. Marcone, Murphy, werewolf gangs and confrontations, vampire showdowns, Summer & Winter Court job offers. It's just too hard to decide on a best of the best.

Oh, by the way Sharky, did you find and read the short story "Restoration of Faith" on Jim Butcher's website? It's a prequel to the first book in the series, and being free and online means it's a good teaser to point new readers to.


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Re: Jim Butcher's Dresden Files
« Reply #14 on: August 21, 2007, 01:17:04 AM »
So Jinto, what would you say was your favorite installment? My roommate and I agree that Dead Beat was the must fun. Man, what a movie that would make - zombies, a reanimated T-rex, and a one-man polka band. What's not to love?

Hehe, yeah. That's pretty hard to beat. It's hard to pick a favorite whole book though, when so many scenes from each book are so awesome, and not just the action scenes.

Yeah. Dresden getting hired to protect a porn movie shoot from a mysterious death curse is a close second for me. "I'm a stunt double."

Oh, by the way Sharky, did you find and read the short story "Restoration of Faith" on Jim Butcher's website? It's a prequel to the first book in the series, and being free and online means it's a good teaser to point new readers to.

No, I wasn't aware of that. I'll have to check it out.

Yep, the series is pretty compelling, but I've been a fan of horror/fantasy/detective stories for a long time.  The  audiobook versions read by Jim Marsters (Spike from Buffy the Vampire Slayer) and are pretty good,  too.     

I read that somewhere, but I tend to avoid audiobooks. I'm sure Spike Marsters is great, though. Apparently he was given a shot at playing Dresden on the TV show, but wasn't willing to move to Toronto for filming.