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Re: Video Games= Evil
« Reply #15 on: March 01, 2007, 11:46:49 AM »
im a meglomaniac too  thank god for add screwing up my ability to focus


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Re: Video Games= Evil
« Reply #16 on: March 01, 2007, 11:52:19 AM »
I think video games do cause violence.  Like, let's say you're playing Final Fantasy X, and you get to a point where the save points are few and far between, and it's been awhile since the last time you encountered a save point, and all of a sudden you get to a really long, unskippable cutscene, and it goes on and on and on until about 10 minutes have passed, and then at the end of the cutscene is a boss battle, and it's the most difficult boss battle you've yet encountered, and it's long and complicated and extremely difficult, requiring strategizing that would make Sun Tzu scratch his head and say, "Huh?", but still, you persevere and finally you beat the boss battle, and afteward there's another long, unskippable cutscene, but you get through that, and you're in control of your character again, and of course, there's still not a save point in sight, so you decide to go back to the last place you saw one, and then you get in a random battle against an enemy that you normally would have no trouble beating, but because you've just finished a major boss battle that left your characters HP down to less than 100 each, and you had to use all your potions to conserve MP for major attacks, and you had to use a bunch of major attacks and as a result your characters are running low on MP and you're running low on potions, so you haven't had the chance to heal your characters yet, and the enemies, which are normally fairly weak, use their one insanely powerful attack which takes 4000 HP every time it hits, and since your characters have less than 100 HP, your party dies, which means Game Over, and you realize this means you're going to have to start over from the last save point and go through all the rigamarole with the unskippable cutscenes and the unbelievably difficult boss battle again, just because of some STUPID RANDOM ENEMY WHO NORMALLY IS VERY EASY TO DEFEAT BUT IT HAS ONE G*DDAMN ATTACK THAT TAKES OFF 4000 HP EVERY G*DDAMN TIME!!!  And this makes you very angry, which leads to violence.

You're whole post is made meaningless by the fact that Final Fantasy X was incredibly easy.  Sorry, I just don't believe that could ever happen.

I am a hardcore member of the Video Game generation, and I'm as passive as they come. Maybe I'd be a much more violent person if I DIDN'T have the chance to splatter hordes of alien brains all over digital landscapes growing up. :^)

The idea of catharsis is a neat one.  It's just a shame that it's not true.  By playing, listening, or watching something violent, you only become more accepting of the violence.  It is different for each individual, but there is no evidence that it makes you less likely to do the violent acts you are playing out.  Psychiatrists used to think catharsis could be used to heal.  So they gave families who has issues foam bats to hit each other with, to release some of their anger.  It didn't work.  Just made them more angry and violent. 


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Re: Video Games= Evil
« Reply #17 on: March 01, 2007, 11:54:40 AM »
so substitute it for marble madness then


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Re: Video Games= Evil
« Reply #18 on: March 01, 2007, 11:56:27 AM »
Lego Star Wars is MY anti-murder! :^)


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Re: Video Games= Evil
« Reply #19 on: March 01, 2007, 11:58:37 AM »
You're whole post is made meaningless by the fact that Final Fantasy X was incredibly easy.  Sorry, I just don't believe that could ever happen.

It happened to me!  All of it! 

I am a hardcore member of the Video Game generation, and I'm as passive as they come. Maybe I'd be a much more violent person if I DIDN'T have the chance to splatter hordes of alien brains all over digital landscapes growing up. :^)

The idea of catharsis is a neat one.  It's just a shame that it's not true.  By playing, listening, or watching something violent, you only become more accepting of the violence.  It is different for each individual, but there is no evidence that it makes you less likely to do the violent acts you are playing out.  Psychiatrists used to think catharsis could be used to heal.  So they gave families who has issues foam bats to hit each other with, to release some of their anger.  It didn't work.  Just made them more angry and violent. 

What about the studies that have shown that violent crime has actually gone down since violent video games have become popular? 
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Re: Video Games= Evil
« Reply #20 on: March 01, 2007, 12:01:30 PM »
a better question would be WHAT studies?


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Re: Video Games= Evil
« Reply #21 on: March 01, 2007, 12:01:53 PM »
The foam bats were encouraging simulated violence against other people. People in the same household, no less. When you're playing a video game, you're beating up on a non-existant character. One that won't think ill of you later on for whacking 'em with a foam bat.

If anyone wants a true taste of catharsis, go on a rampage in Hulk: Ultimate Destruction. It makes all the hurting go away, and does nothing to encourage me to try to smash buildings. :^)


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Re: Video Games= Evil
« Reply #22 on: March 01, 2007, 01:13:33 PM »

  Strangely, I do feel the urge to go kill dead people after playing RE.


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Re: Video Games= Evil
« Reply #23 on: March 01, 2007, 02:58:15 PM »
Article from www.ign.com

Game Violence Debate Killed?
Study says simulated violence is not the same as real violence.
by Micah Seff

February 28, 2007 - In a recent issue of the American Sociological Association's Context magazine, sociologist Karen Sternheimer put some heavy doubt into the theories that videogame violence directly result in real-world violence. Sternheimer claims that there is no such correlation, and that the reality might be exactly the opposite.

Sternheimer cited as evidence of this trend the fact that as annual sales of videogames and accessories has risen to over $10 billion, juvenile homicide arrests have fallen 77%. According to Sternheimer, students now have a chance of less than 7 in 10 million of being killed by school-related violence.

In a very frank and forthright manner, Sternheimer stated, "If we want to understand why young people become homicidal, we need to look beyond the games they play."

Like many have argued before her, Sterheimer contends that videogame violence has been used as a straw man argument. Rather than paying attention to more pertinent issues that might nurture violence -- such as poverty, instability, domestic abuse, unemployment, and mental illness -- reactionaries have been directing their ire at the games industry, effectively exonerating these other factors of their impact.

"It is equally likely that more aggressive people seek out violent entertainment," Sternheimer said. "After adult rampage shootings in the workplace, which happen more often than school shootings, reporters seldom mention if the shooters played video games."

Sternheimer seemed to disagree with the analytical methods of a 2001 study which found that videogames did increase aggressive behavior, stating: "They don't offer much insight as to why a few isolated kids, and not the millions of others who play these games, decided to pick up real weapons and shoot real people."

While the debate is far from over, it's nice to see sociologists looking critically at the issue.



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Re: Video Games= Evil
« Reply #24 on: March 01, 2007, 03:26:32 PM »
I dunno, maybe.  IGN isnt gonna win any unbiased points from me.  Although thats better than nothing i spose


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Re: Video Games= Evil
« Reply #25 on: March 01, 2007, 03:52:53 PM »
The only thing you can learn by comparing video game sales to violent crime rates is that video games are not the main cause of violent crime.  And no one is suggesting that it is.  And it's laughable that IGN tried to imply that based on this comparison, video games decrease the amount of violent crime. 

People who are legitimately worried about the effect of violent video games on children are not worried that their kids are going to shoot some one solely because of video games.  They are worried that it is going to increase aggressive behavior, and at worst get them in trouble for fighting at school.  It is insane to claim that video games make you kill.  But it's equally insane to say that they have a positive, or no effect on most people's aggression.


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Re: Video Games= Evil
« Reply #26 on: March 01, 2007, 04:18:01 PM »
I agree with you cell.  I just thought it might help with the discussion to put another research done. It's dumb to say that watching violence or playing violent games isnt going to effect you. The same could be said for Pornography/drugs etc. I know this is a video game forurm so ill just talk about this. Whatever you put into your body. physical or whatever your body will react to it.  But what you do after your body reacts is up to you.  Its you who decides if you are going to lash out and shoot people, whack someone with a foam bat or whatnot. 

Tyrant YES YES YES parents are a big influence. I hate how people are raising their kids these days, They just dont know how to be on their kids level. see things how they see it.  Its just frustrating how they dont know how to teach their kids, disipline them in the right way so that they actually learn from doing something wrong so that they dont do it again. 

I love video games, violent or not. People just need to learn at a young age or if older see someone who can help them to understand that all of it isnt real.  Its a form of entertainment for us to be entertained. Not to give us an example to live by and try to become like that.  It's all just for fun. That's it.



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Re: Video Games= Evil
« Reply #27 on: March 01, 2007, 04:25:29 PM »
The attitude that irks me is people who think video games are just for kids so it doesnt matter what their kids play.  The parents dont like video games for whatever idiotic reason so they classify them as juvinelle.  They will by their kid the latest game of slap stab rape, then are shocked by their kids attitudes and language.  Video games stopped being universely for children when the ol NES stopped being in production.  Time to realize even if you dont like something doesnt mean it was solely designed for 8 year olds. 


ps their is nothing all that adult about the idiotic shows the parent watch anyways. 


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Re: Video Games= Evil
« Reply #28 on: March 01, 2007, 04:27:27 PM »
The only thing you can learn by comparing video game sales to violent crime rates is that video games are not the main cause of violent crime.  And no one is suggesting that it is.  And it's laughable that IGN tried to imply that based on this comparison, video games decrease the amount of violent crime. 

People who are legitimately worried about the effect of violent video games on children are not worried that their kids are going to shoot some one solely because of video games.  They are worried that it is going to increase aggressive behavior, and at worst get them in trouble for fighting at school.  It is insane to claim that video games make you kill.  But it's equally insane to say that they have a positive, or no effect on most people's aggression.
I guess we need to draw the line between violent crime and agressive behavior then. Agressive behavior isn't necessarily a bad thing if it's kept to ambition and striving for personal goals. If we're talking VIOLENT behavior, then we have an indicator that it's gone down. Something's changed the culture, and I suppose it could just as easily be the internet or increase of Anime on TV. :^) Nothing proves video games make agression rise, nothing proves it's making it go down. I would argue that violent TV and Movies (And TV is notedly more violent than it was back in the day when everyone was more worried about it) have as much effect, even if that's no effect at all.. :^)


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Re: Video Games= Evil
« Reply #29 on: March 01, 2007, 04:46:20 PM »
I would like to see a study done that compares agression in kids who play violent video games verses kids who spend their time doing other challenging activities, like solving puzzles, or playing sports. 
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