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Re: XXX : Thoughts?
« Reply #30 on: September 09, 2006, 12:37:36 PM »
The really stupid part is: bits of the movie people like us consider to be crappy and cliched, he finds awesome.

"'XXX" stars Vin Diesel as a smart-ass Bond with a bad attitude. The filmmakers have broken down the James Bond series into its inevitable components, constructed a screenplay that rips off 007 even in the small details, and then placed Diesel at the center of it--as Xander Cage, extreme sports hero and outlaw. In its own punk way, "XXX" is as good as a good Bond movie, and that's saying something."

So ripping off an entire premise and replacing a smooth undercover agent with a chunk of jiggling beef is something that could be considered a great premise for a movie? "As good as a good Bond movie." Yeah ofcourse, if the only Bond movies you have seen are Tomorrow Never Dies, The World Is Not Enough and Die Another Day.

"As we meet him in "XXX," he's a famous sports daredevil who steals computer chips and cars and is finally hunted down by Gibbons (Samuel L. Jackson), a National Security Agency spymaster with a scarred face and a role inspired by M in the Bond series."

...Sure, inspired...    Kudos to Mr. Ebert for putting the sentence "... hunted down by gibbons..." in his review.

"If Bond is a patriot, Xander is a man who looks out only for No. 1, until Gibbons threatens him with prison unless he agrees to go to the Czech Republic and stop a madman with, yes, a plan to destroy and/or conquer the world. This villain, named Yorgi (Marton Csokas), apparently lives in the Prague Castle, which will come as a surprise to President Vaclav Havel. He's a renegade officer of the evil Czech Secret Service; the movie doesn't seem to know that the Cold War is over and Czechs are good guys these days, but never mind: The movie was shot on location in Prague, part of the current filmmaking boom in the republic, and the scenery is terrific."

'which will come as a surprise to President Vaclav Havel. He's a renegade officer of the evil Czech Secret Service; the movie doesn't seem to know that the Cold War is over and Czechs are good guys these days, but never mind'

What? Someone explain what he means.

"Director Rob Cohen and producer Neal H. Mortiz, who also made "The Fast and the Furious," follow the Bond formula so carefully this would be a satire if it weren't intended as a homage. We click off the 007 check points: (1) Villain in lair hidden within mountain, with faceless minions busily going about tasks; (2) a beautiful girl, former KGB, named Yelena (Asia Argento), who seems to be Yorgi's girlfriend but falls for Xander; (3) a techno-geek who supplies Xander with a trick gun and a customized GTO that has an arsenal on board; (4) stunts involving parachuting, mountains, avalanches and explosions; (5) a chase at the end to save the world, and (6), my favorite, the obligatory final scene where the hero basks in Bora Bora with the beautiful girl in a bikini, while his boss tries to persuade him to take another job."

Ripping off everything from another movie (series) truely makes a quality movie.

"Will he take another job? Of course he will. Xander Cage is a new franchise, and Vin Diesel, who was walking around Sundance a few years ago telling everyone he would someday be a big star, was right."

Are we to take that Roger Ebert is impressed by Vin's acting in this movie? Thank god this isn't going to become a franchise... State of the Union *shiver*

"I love the lengths that villains go to in these movies. Consider Yorgi. He has devised an incredibly expensive steel speedboat armed with three rockets containing canisters of poison gas. This speedboat is inside a mountain cavern far below his lair. It is his superweapon for world domination. Fine, except where can a boat go in the landlocked Czech Republic? Down the Danube through Budapest and Vienna? In the event, he decides to attack Prague itself, and we're wondering: Considering how much it cost him to hollow out the mountain and build the boat, why not just put the gas canisters into a car and drive into town? Yorgi is the kind of bad guy who is beloved by the architects of the "star wars" defense, staging an attack that is cumbersome, costly and visible, instead of just delivering the goods by FedEx."

Stupid, inane and downright bad screenwriting once again equals quality.

"As the boat speeds down the river into town, Xander does a stunt that is not only exciting but, even better, impossible. As the Russian babe pilots the GTO on a road parallel to the river, Xander fires a steel cable, which attaches to the boat, and then he transfers from the car to the boat using the cable and a parasail. Wonderful, except ... do you suppose there are any lamp posts, traffic lights or telephone poles along the road that the cable might get hung up on? Never mind. Now Xander's on board, trying to disarm the canisters by using a slicked-up cyber-version of the old standby where he has to decide between the green wire and the red wire. Meanwhile, Gibbons has a vantage point on one of the bridges, and is commanding fighter planes that are prepared to blast the boat out of the water, no doubt thereby dispersing the poison gas, but c'est la vie."

Jesus Ebert. WTF? You're saying it's stupid, cliche and impossible... and you like that?

"See, I like all this stuff, at least when it's done well. Diesel's gruff, monosyllabic style is refreshing as a counterpoint to the gung-ho action, and the romantic scenes with the beautiful Yelena consist of two kisses, because Xander has a world to save. The music is aggressive heavy metal by the German band Rammstein, and Csokas, as the villain, has one of those fleshy, sneering faces, surrounded by too much greasy hair, that goes with his central European accent. Oddly, he isn't from Transylvania at all, but from New Zealand, and you may have seen him on "Xena." He likes to play opposite characters with X-names."

Oh, the wit.


"Is "XXX" a threat to the Bond franchise? Not a threat so much as a salute. I don't want James Bond to turn crude and muscular on me; I like the suave style. But I like Xander, too, especially since he seems to have studied Bond so very carefully. Consider the movie's big set piece, totally in the 007 tradition, when Xander parachutes to a mountaintop, surveys the bad guys on ski-mobiles below, throws a grenade to start an avalanche, and then outraces the avalanche on a snowboard while the bad guys are wiped out. Not bad. Now all he has to work on is the kissing."

Maybe Roger should pay less attention to Vin Diesel's kissing techniques and more attention to the fact that this is a horrible HORRIBLE movie.
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Re: XXX : Thoughts?
« Reply #31 on: September 09, 2006, 01:07:29 PM »
Insane man.  i think all movie reveiwers are nuts though.  I listen to NPR a lot (thats national public radio to our friends from across the pond) and they often have some over priced moron ramble on about either some crappy irrelevant independant film or some over hyped hollywood sludge.  They always use amazingly wordy reviews and DEEPLY OVER analyze the films.  I am a philosophy major,, so when i think something is overanalyzed the average person is usually trying to put a bullet in his own brain to stop the noise.  We need a movie reviewer to just say i liked it.  or i didnt like it.  Here are a couple of reasons why.  Bah to ebert i say.  BAH


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Re: XXX : Thoughts?
« Reply #32 on: September 09, 2006, 02:14:07 PM »
OK, since everyone's doing it, my list of RiffTrax, in order of hilarity:

1. Star Trek V
2. xXx
3. The Fifth Element
4. Cocktail
5. Roadhouse


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Re: XXX : Thoughts?
« Reply #33 on: September 09, 2006, 02:17:28 PM »
Here's to the most obscure riff in the film: "Quick drop a turtle on his head. It worked for Aeschylus!"
Here's the story:
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Don't thank me, I'm here to help.

Oh, I will thank you.  And there's not a thing you can do about it!  That line had me so confused.  I love obscurity!


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Re: XXX : Thoughts?
« Reply #34 on: September 09, 2006, 04:29:10 PM »
Insane man.  i think all movie reveiwers are nuts though.  I listen to NPR a lot (thats national public radio to our friends from across the pond) and they often have some over priced moron ramble on about either some crappy irrelevant independant film or some over hyped hollywood sludge.  They always use amazingly wordy reviews and DEEPLY OVER analyze the films.  I am a philosophy major,, so when i think something is overanalyzed the average person is usually trying to put a bullet in his own brain to stop the noise.  We need a movie reviewer to just say i liked it.  or i didnt like it.  Here are a couple of reasons why.  Bah to ebert i say.  BAH

I'm sorry, what?


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Re: XXX : Thoughts?
« Reply #35 on: September 09, 2006, 05:12:36 PM »
   There's another riff that I wondered about its obscurity.  "Hey!  It's Forrest Ackermann's disco!!"  I know who Forrie is, but do the younger folk out there?  I think of primarily his huge collection of sci-fi/horror memoribilia and being the creator of Famous Monsters of Filmland magazine, but I don't think he is still involved with the mag.  He's had cameos in some movies, not unlike Stan Lee's, but I couldn't tell you what they are. Anything else important about him?


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Re: XXX : Thoughts?
« Reply #36 on: September 09, 2006, 05:33:02 PM »
Here's to the most obscure riff in the film: "Quick drop a turtle on his head. It worked for Aeschylus!"
Here's the story:
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Don't thank me, I'm here to help.

Oh, I will thank you.  And there's not a thing you can do about it!  That line had me so confused.  I love obscurity!

It was fun to hear Mike say that one - Kevin used to drop that line in the MST days, especially when they did those giant turtle movies.


   There's another riff that I wondered about its obscurity.  "Hey!  It's Forrest Ackermann's disco!!"  I know who Forrie is, but do the younger folk out there?  I think of primarily his huge collection of sci-fi/horror memoribilia and being the creator of Famous Monsters of Filmland magazine, but I don't think he is still involved with the mag.  He's had cameos in some movies, not unlike Stan Lee's, but I couldn't tell you what they are. Anything else important about him?

He was eaten by a dinosaur in the MSTed Future War
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Re: XXX : Thoughts?
« Reply #37 on: September 09, 2006, 11:28:58 PM »
Well, I wasn't disappointed in the slightest.  In fact, it far exceeded my expectations.  I thought it was hysterical, the best one yet-- even better than Road House.

Too many hilarious riffs to mention, but my favorite non-riffed aspect of the movie was the incredibly subtle patriotic parachute at the end.  BECAUSE HE'S CHANGED HIS MIND ABOUT BEING A SECRET AGENT, AND ALL.

(crouching slightly away from the thread-- bitches, come!)
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Re: XXX : Thoughts?
« Reply #38 on: September 10, 2006, 01:27:00 PM »
I'll admit. I actually had some hopes for xXx before seeing it. I always figured it looks like a fun movie and was looking forward to the chance to see what an extreme bond might be like.

But MAN this MOVIE! The dialogue is like something out of grade school and Vin's delivery doesn't help it one little bit. It's a sad thing to be outacted by the eye-candy. :^)

However, the Rifftrax is my favorite yet. It had me and the Mrs. laughing like all get-out. There couldn't be a better bad movie out there to be Riffed and now I sit and start to build up my spiritual strength for the upcoming onslaught that is Crossroads.


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Re: XXX : Thoughts?
« Reply #39 on: September 10, 2006, 03:55:03 PM »
Just watched XXX for the first time.  Only RiffTrax could get me to dish out money for a Vin Diesel movie, but I'll admit thanks to Mike I really enjoyed this.  Vin had way too many lines that ripped off James Bond, but what the Hell.  If you like mumbeled dialogue and things blowing up this is your movie.  Without Mike's commentary I'd be skipping this disk across the lake right now.


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Re: XXX : Thoughts?
« Reply #40 on: September 10, 2006, 06:01:53 PM »
   I did try to run XXX and listen to the director's commentary but had to bail after about 10 minutes. The guy's got a severe man-crush on Vin Diesel.
    Does anybody know why Diesel did not do the sequel?  This first one really seemed to be setting up a franchise, but maybe he wasn't under contractual obligation to do the second and actually read the script first?


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« Reply #41 on: September 10, 2006, 08:24:13 PM »
The commentary is Hilarious. The director really thinks everything he did was awesome. :^)


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Re: XXX : Thoughts?
« Reply #42 on: September 10, 2006, 11:16:37 PM »
    Does anybody know why Diesel did not do the sequel?  This first one really seemed to be setting up a franchise, but maybe he wasn't under contractual obligation to do the second and actually read the script first?

I'm pretty sure that it's because he asked for more money than they were willing to give him to appear in the second one. They didn't pay, he didn't play.

On some versions of the DVD (newer ones), there's a short featurette that shows Vin's character (played by a stunt double) getting killed just before the events of the second movie, pretty well guaranteeing he'll never be in another xXx movie.
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« Reply #43 on: September 11, 2006, 03:01:45 AM »
I simply loved this rifftrax. Easily one of the best if not #1.


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Re: XXX : Thoughts?
« Reply #44 on: September 11, 2006, 04:38:11 AM »
    Does anybody know why Diesel did not do the sequel?  This first one really seemed to be setting up a franchise, but maybe he wasn't under contractual obligation to do the second and actually read the script first?

It's probably the money thing, but he did mention some bullshit about not wanting to appear in too many franchises, such as Fast & the Furious and Chronicles of Riddick.  Of course, they're pretty much pissed down the drain too.