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Re: What things did we learn even though we weren't around to know them?
« Reply #60 on: May 17, 2011, 10:18:53 AM »
I think it would be more the klingons don't take prisoners in battle?  For them it's an honor to die in battle and a disgrace to be captured (think of Worf going to find his father).  So why would they think about taking prisoners? 

They certainly would blow the Enterprise to bits in that situation, I guess the question really is would the Klingons fire on defenceless escape pods?  There wouldn't be much honor in that so maybe not, but they probably wouldn't pick them up to save the people inside either...

But more likely it's because STII is written like WWII submarine movie, so "they don't take prisners" is the kind of thing said in that type of movie.


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Re: What things did we learn even though we weren't around to know them?
« Reply #61 on: May 17, 2011, 10:43:32 AM »
And keep in mind in the next movie Christopher Lloyd's character kills a subordinate for accidentally destroying the U.S.S. Grissom because he wanted prisoners.
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Re: What things did we learn even though we weren't around to know them?
« Reply #62 on: May 17, 2011, 02:02:49 PM »
And keep in mind in the next movie Christopher Lloyd's character kills a subordinate for accidentally destroying the U.S.S. Grissom because he wanted prisoners.

Ah, yes, the old, "no prisoners unless we need information from them" clause...


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Re: What things did we learn even though we weren't around to know them?
« Reply #63 on: May 17, 2011, 02:36:17 PM »
And keep in mind in the next movie Christopher Lloyd's character kills a subordinate for accidentally destroying the U.S.S. Grissom because he wanted prisoners.

Ah, yes, the old, "no prisoners unless we need information from them" clause...

Or if they'd be useful as hostages.
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Re: What things did we learn even though we weren't around to know them?
« Reply #64 on: May 17, 2011, 05:26:24 PM »
And keep in mind in the next movie Christopher Lloyd's character kills a subordinate for accidentally destroying the U.S.S. Grissom because he wanted prisoners.

Ah, yes, the old, "no prisoners unless we need information from them" clause...

Or if they'd be useful as hostages.

Or if we just want to brag to the hero and give him every detail of our plan.  I mean what is he going to do?  Escape and use the information we give him to wreck our plan?!  i would like to see that happen!


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Re: What things did we learn even though we weren't around to know them?
« Reply #65 on: May 22, 2011, 12:15:48 PM »
Well STII did have Klingon 2.1056 while STIII had Klingon 2.1063. So they were different creatures all together. So by STVI they had Klingon 2.5136 who not only took prisoners, but they took them to a prison planet to mine dilithium crystals.
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Re: What things did we learn even though we weren't around to know them?
« Reply #66 on: June 05, 2011, 10:28:24 PM »
...but they took them to a prison planet to mine dilithium crystals.

That mine already existed because Capt. Bakula went there.

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Re: What things did we learn even though we weren't around to know them?
« Reply #67 on: June 06, 2011, 02:30:36 AM »
So in the end it seems to come down to Kirk being a bit bigoted and spewing a hammy cliche.  I don't know about you, but I can accept that.
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Re: What things did we learn even though we weren't around to know them?
« Reply #68 on: August 07, 2011, 08:39:24 PM »
I think it's important to take one very important lesson away: you can make one of the greatest
science fiction epics of all time on a budget of 11 million dollars... not accounting for inflation.


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Re: What things did we learn even though we weren't around to know them?
« Reply #69 on: August 07, 2011, 08:53:36 PM »
I think it's important to take one very important lesson away: you can make one of the greatest
science fiction epics of all time on a budget of 11 million dollars... not accounting for inflation.
Very true. Even counting for inflation, and comparing movie costs back then, that wasn't a huge budget.



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Re: What things did we learn even though we weren't around to know them?
« Reply #70 on: August 07, 2011, 09:16:53 PM »
Very true. Even counting for inflation, and comparing movie costs back then, that wasn't a huge budget.
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Re: What things did we learn even though we weren't around to know them?
« Reply #71 on: January 13, 2012, 03:41:07 PM »
I learned that apparently Kahn didn't actually finish reading Moby Dick. Otherwise he might not have modeled his life on one of the great tragic literary characters.
SPOILER ALERT: It didn't go well for Captain Ahab.


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Re: What things did we learn even though we weren't around to know them?
« Reply #72 on: January 13, 2012, 04:25:39 PM »
I learned that apparently Kahn didn't actually finish reading Moby Dick. Otherwise he might not have modeled his life on one of the great tragic literary characters.
SPOILER ALERT: It didn't go well for Captain Ahab.


Seriously, this is like modeling your life around Willie Loman and then being surprised when you don't live a long and happy life.

Damn, I wondered what the hell my problem was . . .



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Re: What things did we learn even though we weren't around to know them?
« Reply #73 on: January 13, 2012, 08:56:25 PM »
Well STII did have Klingon 2.1056 while STIII had Klingon 2.1063. So they were different creatures all together. So by STVI they had Klingon 2.5136 who not only took prisoners, but they took them to a prison planet to mine dilithium crystals.

Dilithium aint gonna mine itself.

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