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Offline Variety of Cells

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The magic of Christmas
« on: December 11, 2006, 01:10:49 AM »
I could be considered a Scrooge

The only Christmas magic I've seen is in movies.

So tell me, have you experienced Christmas magic?  Is it really a magical time of year like all these songs keep insisting it is?

EDIT:  I'm not really a Scrooge.
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Re: The magic of Christmas
« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2006, 01:17:12 AM »
I could be considered Scrooge. 

The only Christmas magic I've seen is in movies.

So tell me, have you experienced Christmas magic?  Is it really a magical time of year like all these songs keep insisting it is?

My girlfriend keeps calling me a Grinch, so I'm probably not the best person to argue on the Christmas season's behalf, but I'd imagine that, like so many things, you can only get out of it what you put in.


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Re: The magic of Christmas
« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2006, 01:23:15 AM »
I could be considered Scrooge. 

The only Christmas magic I've seen is in movies.

So tell me, have you experienced Christmas magic?  Is it really a magical time of year like all these songs keep insisting it is?

My girlfriend keeps calling me a Grinch, so I'm probably not the best person to argue on the Christmas season's behalf, but I'd imagine that, like so many things, you can only get out of it what you put in.

I'm sorry, but your argument does not compute.  Please, rephrase your argument, or prepare to be rebutted.

I hate that argument more than I hate Christmas.  If something only works because you want it to work then it's no better than a placebo.  If you have to be cheerful and give gifts and go to Christmas parties then of course you are going to feel the "magic" of Christmas because you have so much invested in it.  Giving gifts any other time of the year will make you feel the same way.


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Re: The magic of Christmas
« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2006, 01:26:06 AM »
Well I dunno about miracles and what-not, but I do feel a cozy, warm, sparkly kind of feeling of well-being around this time of year. But I'm a bit of a sap that way. :^)


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Re: The magic of Christmas
« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2006, 05:19:54 AM »
Well I dunno about miracles and what-not, but I do feel a cozy, warm, sparkly kind of feeling of well-being around this time of year. But I'm a bit of a sap that way. :^)

Shame-facedly, so do I.   ;D


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Re: The magic of Christmas
« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2006, 07:02:14 AM »
If something only works because you want it to work then it's no better than a placebo.

Placebos make the world go around.

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Re: The magic of Christmas
« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2006, 07:30:15 AM »
The placebo effect is a known phenomenon.  People can change based on attitude alone.  People have been healed based on thinking something worked alone.  Treatments sometimes fail in people because they were convinced it wasn't going to work from the get go too.

Your mind is a powerful thing.  Sometimes when you force yourself to pretend to have fun and like people you actually end up doing it for real.  I really do think that's part of the Christmas spirit.  People force themselves to have holiday cheer and they really end up having it.  No one would do half of this stuff if we weren't forced to every year.
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Re: The magic of Christmas
« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2006, 07:40:24 AM »
The placebo effect is a known phenomenon.  People can change based on attitude alone.  People have been healed based on thinking something worked alone.  I've seen treatments fail in people because they were convinced it wasn't going to work from the get go too.

Your mind is a powerful thing.  Sometimes when you force yourself to pretend to have fun and like people you actually end up doing it for real.  I really do think that's part of the Christmas spirit.  People force themselves to have holiday cheer and they really end up having it.  No one would do half of this stuff if we weren't forced to every year.

You're forgetting childhood nostalgia, however.  Traditions have a huge impact when you're little.


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Re: The magic of Christmas
« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2006, 10:39:26 AM »
If it is just a placebo effect, and it's not confined to only Christmas, then wouldn't it be more beneficial to open everyone's eyes and tell them that Christmas is such a cool time of year because you want it to be such a cool time of year, and there's nothing stopping you from making the whole year a cool time of year?


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Re: The magic of Christmas
« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2006, 01:30:51 PM »
If it is just a placebo effect, and it's not confined to only Christmas, then wouldn't it be more beneficial to open everyone's eyes and tell them that Christmas is such a cool time of year because you want it to be such a cool time of year, and there's nothing stopping you from making the whole year a cool time of year?

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Re: The magic of Christmas
« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2006, 03:51:37 PM »
Except that it's not JUST the knowledge that it's Christmas. There's a lot of tactile things that trigger the Christmas Spirit (If you will.) The taste of a candy cane, the smell of a pine tree, the sight of a tree with lights on it, the sound of the music on the radio. It's hard to feel it without all those things going on to create just the right mood, and if we tried to keep that going year round, it would get kinda boring and tacky. :^) It's the chronological equivalent of, "Nice place to visit, but I wouldn't wanna live there."


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Re: The magic of Christmas
« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2006, 04:13:46 PM »
I could be considered a Scrooge. 

The only Christmas magic I've seen is in movies.

So tell me, have you experienced Christmas magic?  Is it really a magical time of year like all these songs keep insisting it is?

Depends on why you celebrate it =)

Do you celebrate "annual gift-giving day"? Or do you celebrate the birth of Jesus? Or perhaps the miracle of Hannukah?

Cuz if you /just/ celebrate the potential "I might get something awesome today" commercial side of things, you may not experience very much "magic" beyond the age of ten or so ;)

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Re: The magic of Christmas
« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2006, 05:17:45 PM »
I could be considered a Scrooge. 

The only Christmas magic I've seen is in movies.

So tell me, have you experienced Christmas magic?  Is it really a magical time of year like all these songs keep insisting it is?

Depends on why you celebrate it =)

Do you celebrate "annual gift-giving day"? Or do you celebrate the birth of Jesus? Or perhaps the miracle of Hannukah?

Cuz if you /just/ celebrate the potential "I might get something awesome today" commercial side of things, you may not experience very much "magic" beyond the age of ten or so ;)

....I sound like Linus don't I? *sucks on thumb and holds blanket close*

   Couldn't agree more, J-Proof. It goes beyond the gift giving and any of the tactile, material elements. It even goes beyond whether you've got your family around or not. It boils down to how you celebrate it internally.

    To be completely sappy, I suggest to whomever is reading this thread to find a copy of "A Christmas Carol" and to read it if they've never read it before. My favorite quote is when Scrooge faces the Spirit of Christmas Future and sees his name on the gravestone.

Scrooge pleads,"I will honour Christmas in my heart, and try to keep it all the year. I will live in the Past, the Present, and the Future. The Spirits of all Three shall strive within me. I will not shut out the lessons that they teach.".

   I think that says it all.

   

   


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Re: The magic of Christmas
« Reply #13 on: December 11, 2006, 05:55:34 PM »
I could be considered a Scrooge. 

The only Christmas magic I've seen is in movies.

So tell me, have you experienced Christmas magic?  Is it really a magical time of year like all these songs keep insisting it is?

Depends on why you celebrate it =)

Do you celebrate "annual gift-giving day"? Or do you celebrate the birth of Jesus? Or perhaps the miracle of Hannukah?

Cuz if you /just/ celebrate the potential "I might get something awesome today" commercial side of things, you may not experience very much "magic" beyond the age of ten or so ;)

....I sound like Linus don't I? *sucks on thumb and holds blanket close*

   Couldn't agree more, J-Proof. It goes beyond the gift giving and any of the tactile, material elements. It even goes beyond whether you've got your family around or not. It boils down to how you celebrate it internally.

    To be completely sappy, I suggest to whomever is reading this thread to find a copy of "A Christmas Carol" and to read it if they've never read it before. My favorite quote is when Scrooge faces the Spirit of Christmas Future and sees his name on the gravestone.

Scrooge pleads,"I will honour Christmas in my heart, and try to keep it all the year. I will live in the Past, the Present, and the Future. The Spirits of all Three shall strive within me. I will not shut out the lessons that they teach.".

   I think that says it all.
   

Alright, I can't argue with the birth of Jesus argument, or Hannukah.  If you truly believe that, then there's nothing wrong with remembering an important event, which might cause this time of year to feel a little magical.

In which case, the magic of Christmas would only apply to people who believe in those events.  I do like what Pak had to say about all tactile things that are different around Christmas time.  But it's still sad that people can only experience the lesson of Christmas once a year. 

Which brings me to Tyrant's argument.  That's a nice quote you've quoted, but I would appreciate it if you would explain what the lessons are that they teach.  I've heard the story quite a few times, but the message always seems muddied and unclear (besides the obvious 'don't be stingy').  People talk often of the message of Christmas, but I have never heard it clearly defined. 

Right now, I am forced to make the conclusion that Christmas or Hannukah is magical only for those who believe in the religious events behind them, especially if the main point is how you personally celebrate it.


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Re: The magic of Christmas
« Reply #14 on: December 11, 2006, 06:50:06 PM »
I don't think it's "humanly" possible to do Christmas every day.  It's a nice theory though.  The point of Christmas is that there is hope and that you can be forgiven.  That even though you've done crappy things and your boss is a jerk, a piece of mistletoe and a merry Christmas can bring us together.  That is what the birth of Christ gives.  If you're truly sorry, you can be forgiven.  You can start over again.  I think even if you don't believe in Christ, you can still take that message home from the spirit.  There's hope for mankind.  We all get second chances.  The new year can be better and Dec. 25th is a great time to make amends inside your heart for it.  I'm not Christian and I still feel it.

Granted, you could possibly do that all year long but it's hard to be human.  It's hard to resist being a jerk sometimes.  It's nice to have a day set aside for us all to reflect and us all to be warm to each other and us all to think about "Christmas spirit".  It's nice to have the holly and the trees and the pretty ornaments to remind us that life is all about hope and to reach out to each other.  We shouldn't need that, but we are all human and it's hard for us to be good all the time.  It's hard for us to remember things like that as we're busy getting here and there and climbing corporate ladders and everything else we silly humans think is so important.  It's nice to have those symbols.  It's nice to have an excuse to be kind.

People are nicer to each other at Christmastime, be it for some imagined reason or because there really is a "spirit" there.  I agree that it's too commercial and you don't want to shop on Black Friday or all visions of hope and goodness will be pushed out of your mind.  On the other hand, I think overall, people are kinder and more giving around this time of year, despite the stress and time crunch...but don't go to the malls to confirm that  ;)
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