I went back a few pages and did not find a thread for Infinity war so I just started this thread. Feel free to comment all the spoilers you want, but the second I'm done posting this thread I will be avoiding it completely until I come home from seeing the film late Thursday night.
The reviews btw are in and by and large, while they don't match how great the reviews were for Black panther, it's still pretty evident to me that this is a great movie.
I'm pretty psyched. I had a ticket for a screening in the IMAX 2D auditorium tomorrow. But then I got impatient and bought a ticket for a regular screening tonight. Maybe I will see the IMAX version next week. I never could get a straight answer on what IMAX actually is. They say it shoots differently somehow, but I don't get how it is supposed to look different on the actual screen.
IMAX is worth the extra money (to me) if you don't mind putting down the extra cash. I'm not even sure what looks different, but the screen is bigger and there's something about the way the image looks that makes it feel slightly 3D, even with 2D movies. Something to do with the film going sideways instead of downward.
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Holy crap that was awesome! It absolutely lives up to the hype. It was like 5 movies rolled in to one. And that ending..... what a cliffhanger. Can't wait for part 2 next year!
Yeah my feelings reflect yours Retro Muppet Pastor. This is most certainly the "Empire strikes back" of the MCU, and I guess that kinda makes Thanos Darth Vader. For now anyway, this is definitely my favorite movie of the entire MCU... better than Winter Soldier, Black Panther, Civil War, Avengers 1, and Thor Ragnarok. I think what a lot of people are going to take away from this film is a lot of very raw emotions. I know that's how I felt when the movie closed... with half the population of the galaxy dead(Hey, this is the spoilers thread, I warned you, it's in the title of the thread man!). Anyway I'm going to see it again with my Dad on Saturday and again with a very close friend of mine next Thursday night.
I feel that the bleakness of the ending was balanced out well by having so many great cheer worthy moments in the film. Everybody was fantastic and this movie reminded me why I love all these characters so much... even if it did have me shedding a tear or three.
Make sure and stay after the credits! There's a pretty cool easter egg that should leave viewers with at least... well, a smidgen of hope.
What the hell am I saying? This is the SPOILERS THREAD! At the very end Nick Fury calls on Captain Marvel for help(Correct me if I'm wrong though).
My only complaint was that first trailer we got that showed the Hulk at the very end... Bruce Banner does NOT turn into the hulk on the fields of Wakanda. In fact he's pretty much Bruce Banner for 99% of the movie. Now, I know a lot of people are going to say the film was overstuffed, and with tons of great characters it's easy to get sidetracked, but I think that Anthony and Joe Russo did in this movie what they always do best... get the viewer emotionally invested in what all the characters are going through, and you're already halfway there.
Thanos? I mean... god damn! Maybe I'm leaving out a few examples that I'm thinking of but he is one of the best cinematic villains of all time, he is just so well-rounded, so well-realized that he kind of takes the reigns away from the Avengers in this film.
I do like that they gave Thanos some good motivations. He thinks he is doing good. It's a pretty twisted morality, but in his own mind he's doing really bad things for the greater good. It's not just a power play for the sake of power.
I hated the new look they gave to Captain America. I didn't recognize him for the whole film.
I know that in the comics, Nebula was somehow the key to stopping Thanos after he had collected all the stones. I think she's still alive at the end. I forget. Any damage he did can be undone by another person with the gauntlet. Iron Man is obviously instrumental in the eventual victory. Doctor Strange saw this, hence his decision to give up the Time Stone to save him and his declaration at the end that "It was the only way". Doctor Strange knows the one path that leads to victory, as indiscernible as it might be to everyone now.
Peter Dinklage as a giant was a real mindbender.
I wonder how this movie would hold up as a standalone feature. It seemed like there was a lot of continuity lockout with all the references to previous installments.
I am looking forward to the review by Peter Rosenthal (head film critic for The Onion).
Loki was the hardest death for me to watch. I think he may have been my favorite character inthe mcu
Whatever happened to Wanda Maximoff's voice? Didn't she have an Eastern European accent?
People always talk about how hot Scarlet Johannsen is, but I think Elizabeth Olsen is the prettiest actress in the MCU. The most handsome, of course, is Red Skull.
Speaking of which, that was pretty awesome to see Red Skull again. I've spent nearly 7 years wondering what happened to him after he vanished into the Tesseract.
I loved the connection they made between Rocket's love of prosthetics and Thor's need of prosthetics.
I had an absolute blast with this movie! It felt long, but in the same way as Fellowship of the Rings where I could have watched it keep going for many hours past that.
While they did change Thanos' motivation from the comics, where he is in love with the personification of Death, this new motivation is almost actually better. Because not only is in unique, it's actually selfless. This movie did a great job with making Thanos a well rounded character.
The only thing I thought was missing was for a reason for Thanos to have paid attention to Gamora as a child. He says she is an impressive fighter, but we don't see her fighting. She's just in the crowd.
One thing that did seem odd. Did anybody else think that sometimes Thanos sounded more like Ron Perlman than Josh Brolin?
While he certainly isn't the only black person in the movie, having Heimdall be the first name casualty means this movie did kill the black guy first.
I did like what they did with Hulk. Having him lose in a one on one fight with Thanos right away is surprising and establishes Thanos as a significant threat. But more importantly having Banner unable to turn into the Hulk was something we haven't seen before. While they didn't say it out loud here, I'm sure they will in the next one. For once Hulk isn't angry, Hulk is afraid.
Didn't Loki die a little bit before Heimdall?
God.... that ending though. It's so haunting. I'm sure it will get better somehow in the sequel next year. All these iconic characters turning to ash and evaporating. It gives me the willies right now.
Quote from: Retro Muppet Pastor on April 27, 2018, 11:12:39 AM
Didn't Loki die a little bit before Heimdall?
D'oh! Yes, you're right.
Heimdall died first
Another great line was that Thor learned Groot in high scool.
Quote from: Kete on April 27, 2018, 12:17:09 PM
Another great line was that Thor learned Groot in high scool.
Yes, that was a good one. I liked that this had the occasional bits of humor that we are used to in Marvel movies, rather than the more heavy comedy of Guardians of the Galaxy and Thor Ragnarok.
I wonder if we'll get mr fixit hulk in the next film
A.
Can't help but feel like I'm shortchanging Black Panther (A-) with that grade, since BP's a tighter, more cohesive film (which I tend to prefer). But the ambition and buildup behind Infinity War counts for a lot.
Unlike you guys, I found the comedy overbearing a few times. The quip that worked best was the Wakandan general very briefly saying she'd hoped that opening the country up would just result in the Olympics and Starbucks and the like, but IMO much of the humor was lengthier and more forced than that.
Thanos is the best MCU villain, even with very little setup (arguably
anti-setup, since an early appearance foreshadowed him "courting Death," meaning the writers must have decided on the change in motivation later). His rather powerful henchmen (as far as I remember) have no setup in the other movies, and most of them seem to simply exist as a "match" for an established hero (brute, wizard, chick with spear). I give them points for never having a hero win a simple boring fight with their counterpart (Hulk loses to power-gem-enchanced Thanos and can't even face the evil brute, the evil wizard appears genuinely more powerful than Dr. Strange, and it takes three heroines to stand up to the henchwoman). For the most part, the henchmen have to be countered by (multiple) differently-powered heros, reinforcing the "team" aspect.
Quote from: Retro Muppet Pastor on April 26, 2018, 11:24:02 AM
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Not sure the Onion (completely) intended it, but that's biting satire of any media outlet that insist on shoehorning ideological horseshit into every facet of their entertainment coverage. If that were a real article, imagine how hard everyone (except for the most hardcore zealots) would roll their eyes while reading it.
Quote from: Retro Muppet Pastor on April 27, 2018, 02:33:48 AM
I wonder how this movie would hold up as a standalone feature. It seemed like there was a lot of continuity lockout with all the references to previous installments.
I'm gonna say not well at all. Black Panther is the MCU movie for people who checked out of the MCU long ago (and conversely, BP is fine to skip before IW if you're otherwise caught up). I took a friend who'd stayed away from the MCU since Winter Soldier to Black Panther and he liked it, but wouldn't take him to IW without assigning some homework first.
Quote from: Darth Geek on April 27, 2018, 11:02:48 AM
While he certainly isn't the only black person in the movie, having Heimdall be the first name casualty means this movie did kill the black guy first.
The black guy also died last.
SUBVERTED.
My expectations going in were that Tony Stark was a dead man walking (the character with by far the most past exposure with major potential emotional impact in his death . . . and the most expensive actor), and Spiderman was nigh untouchable (the face of a brand new hero franchise ready to make bank for two studios, and an actor already under contract for six films). So in the moment, I enjoyed both those twists . . .
. . . though after reflecting for a bit, it's kinda cheap. If any death should convince you that the "dissolvings" were done arbitrarily (and will be undone almost as arbitrarily), Spiderman's should. I dunno, maybe it's a good thing to telegraph the eventual reversal by obviously going too far. Tony's recovery is harder to justify . . . he was impaled and then patched up the hole (on only one side?) like it was just a flesh wound. The nano-suit is an upgrade, but this doesn't make sense unless it's sporting Wakandan magic. Is the nano-suit Wakandan? I don't think it is (no glowing blue highlights).
I know I'm mostly complaining but I really had a blast, and there's less to say about what I loved. The imax screening was booked solid, but I'll be seeing it there too as soon as it's less crowded. I wonder if most folks will want to see an ending like that more than once; expect Infinity War's opening weekend to beat Black Panther's, but in subsequent weeks it'll be tough to hold up as well BP has.
So where does it go from here? I think we can assume that the dissolves will all be undone. There are already a Spiderman and GotG movies on the schedule. They would also be insane to not have a Black Panther movie in the works. Do we think that all dissolves will be undone?
What about the other deaths? Are all those permanent? Loki, Heimdall, Valkyrie, Korg, Gamora, Vision? Most of those I dont think can be taken back without cheapening things. They will already cheapen things by taking back all the dissolves. Since we didn't necessarily see confirmation of Valkyrie and Korg, I can see how they could come back (especially since a case could be made that they could survive in space). I'm really sad about Loki, but I guess I can deal with it as they move into a new phase. I really wish we could have Gamora back, though.
Depends how they undo it, I guess.
GotG3 could be the original team teased in GoTG2, but the Spider-Man movie is a bit harder to work around, unless of course it picks up right where the last one ended and is set before IW.
Are we sure Valkyrie is dead? Thor says he killed 'half my people' and since all of Asgard were on the ship, that suggest some survivors got away, yeah?
I missed that "half my people" comment. I thought I saw Valkyrie lying on the ground next to Heimadall, but I could be wrong.
Quote from: Edward J Grug III on April 28, 2018, 01:16:21 AM
I wonder if we'll get mr fixit hulk in the next film
I hope not, I hated that version of Hulk in the comics.
Doctor Strange looked at all the possible futures and only saw one in which the good guys prevailed. He likely saw that it was necessary to keep Tony alive for that.
In the comics, Nebula had something to do with stopping Thanos after he got all the Infinity Stones. She's still around. And she's full of cybernetics. So is Black Panther's genius sister (I'm terrible at remembering the names in Wakanda). I feel like these things will be connected.
Quote from: Retro Muppet Pastor on April 28, 2018, 09:44:51 AM
Doctor Strange looked at all the possible futures and only saw one in which the good guys prevailed. He likely saw that it was necessary to keep Tony alive for that.
I was hoping that later Strange would say that he lied, there was no future he saw where they won.
While the movie does do a lot differently than the comics, I think they will keep the part where Nebula gets the gauntlet and undoes the events of Infinity War. Especially since they kept the torture that Thanos did to her.
Quote from: Kete on April 28, 2018, 06:33:03 AMWhat about the other deaths? Are all those permanent? Loki, Heimdall, Valkyrie, Korg, Gamora, Vision? Most of those I dont think can be taken back without cheapening things. They will already cheapen things by taking back all the dissolves.
I'd argue Gamora's resurrection could be completely justified, but it's the only one.
She was sacrificed to obtain the soul gem, so let's say her intact soul is stored inside it. You can get her back by destroying ("sacrificing") the gem for good. I'd accept that.
Quote from: Darth Geek on April 28, 2018, 07:43:45 AM
Quote from: Edward J Grug III on April 28, 2018, 01:16:21 AM
I wonder if we'll get mr fixit hulk in the next film
I hope not, I hated that version of Hulk in the comics.
They keep making terrible characters from the comics great in the movies. I think it'll be hulk body, banner brain in Avengers 4.
I'd love to see that. Now let's see... I just saw Infinity War again today and... god dammit, the same thing happened on opening night. Some asshole actually had the gall to take out their cell phone and started texting on it during the damn movie. Last time I was kinder by saying "Please put that away", but today, I was a little more curt, I said to this girl "You need to put that away.". I have no regrets, plus, I hate conflict but I guess when it comes to movies where inconsiderate morons take out their phones and start using them as if they are in the privacy of their own rooms, then I get a bit snippy. Believe me, there have been times where I've wanted to just grab their phone, take it away from them and smash it under my foot. However, as somebody who tries to actively avoid any kind of trouble, that's simply an option only for the world of fantasy.
So, who survived? Let's see, in no particular order: Iron man, Nebula, Captain America, Hulk/Banner, Black Widow, Thor, War Machine, Rocket, and... that's about it! Even with the power of Captain Marvel, I'd say facing Thanos with those odds are pretty slim and kind of grim. I just wish Maria Hill and Nick Fury didn't have to go too.
I'm guessing Tony and Nebula will get a hold of the Milano(Or whatever is the name of their newest ship)on Titan, fix it up and try to fly it back to Earth so they can rendezvous with the other Avengers. I'm... wondering if somehow seeing how useless fighting is that they'll try and get in touch with the Living Tribunal to try and render the Infinity Stones powerless. If anyone's going to know how to get in touch with any of the other celestial beings, it's the guardians of the Sanctum.
I'm sorry that my post seems to be all over the place but I just have a lot of mixed feelings, especially when I get pushed to the edge where I feel like a bit of my cinematic experience is going to be ruined... again.
How did Bruce Banner get his hands on the Hulkbuster suit?
Quote from: Retro Muppet Pastor on April 28, 2018, 05:13:27 PM
How did Bruce Banner get his hands on the Hulkbuster suit?
Rhodey?
Quote from: Russoguru on April 28, 2018, 04:53:13 PM
I'd love to see that. Now let's see... I just saw Infinity War again today and... god dammit, the same thing happened on opening night. Some asshole actually had the gall to take out their cell phone and started texting on it during the damn movie. Last time I was kinder by saying "Please put that away", but today, I was a little more curt, I said to this girl "You need to put that away.". I have no regrets, plus, I hate conflict but I guess when it comes to movies where inconsiderate morons take out their phones and start using them as if they are in the privacy of their own rooms, then I get a bit snippy. Believe me, there have been times where I've wanted to just grab their phone, take it away from them and smash it under my foot. However, as somebody who tries to actively avoid any kind of trouble, that's simply an option only for the world of fantasy.
So, who survived? Let's see, in no particular order: Iron man, Nebula, Captain America, Hulk/Banner, Black Widow, Thor, War Machine, Rocket, and... that's about it! Even with the power of Captain Marvel, I'd say facing Thanos with those odds are pretty slim and kind of grim. I just wish Maria Hill and Nick Fury didn't have to go too.
One of the worst parts of ushering at Sundance is having to manage the cell phone usage. So many people are so entitled and get so offended that you dare to tell them what to do. There are many super movie buffs that go there that deserve to have a great experience free from cell phones.
Also, regarding the survivals, its interesting that all the original Avengers survived. It doesn't feel that way since so many people died.
Quote from: kunedog on April 28, 2018, 01:09:58 PM
Quote from: Kete on April 28, 2018, 06:33:03 AMWhat about the other deaths? Are all those permanent? Loki, Heimdall, Valkyrie, Korg, Gamora, Vision? Most of those I dont think can be taken back without cheapening things. They will already cheapen things by taking back all the dissolves.
I'd argue Gamora's resurrection could be completely justified, but it's the only one.
She was sacrificed to obtain the soul gem, so let's say her intact soul is stored inside it. You can get her back by destroying ("sacrificing") the gem for good. I'd accept that.
See, to me Gamora's the only one that can't come back. Asgardians seem to have a habit of staying alive. Seems like Vision could be rebuilt without the stone (They even indicated that most of his best parts would still be in-tact.) Gamora's soul might be stored safely away, but her body was chucked off a cliff.
My obligatory review: I loved every minute of it. Thanos was a great villain. I loved how the tone and even the color pallet changed to match whatever superhero franchise was being represented. The Guardians scenes felt like Guardians movies, the Iron Man scenes felt like Iron Man. etc.
I think a lot of kids are going to be having frank talks with their parents about life and death in fiction this weekend. We adults have internalized the formulas and know that the superheroes that went poof probably won't stay poofed unless they're intent on nuking some of their most profitable franchises. Kids just watched Spider-Man die while begging for his life, and the bad guy won. A lot of them in the audience didn't seem to be handling it well.
Adam Warlock is still out there. He was shown in that post credits sequence in Guardians of the Galaxy 2, and they still haven't made use of him. I seem to recall reading that he had the gauntlet at some point in the comics.
Why did Fury have to page Captain Marvel? Certainly she would know what was going on? Was he paging her in the past? In a time when pagers are still in use?
Who knows man, I think that was kind of just put in there as the one ray of hope or something to kind of counter the bleak ending.
Quote from: Kete on April 29, 2018, 07:42:35 AM
Why did Fury have to page Captain Marvel? Certainly she would know what was going on? Was he paging her in the past? In a time when pagers are still in use?
Possibly, but I suspect she's off in space somewhere
I'm really hoping we get those Avengers Ben & Jerry's ice cream flavors they mention.
Is there a version of Hulk where he's just not able to follow along with any conversations?
Did anyone else notice in the end credits they said something about a character from Arrested Development being in the movie? I mean they already did a nod to Arrested Development by having the truck with the stairs on it from the show in Civil War, but I'm wondering what they're referring to because it was probably such a fleeting cameo I may never have noticed.
Quote from: Russoguru on April 29, 2018, 08:48:42 PM
Did anyone else notice in the end credits they said something about a character from Arrested Development being in the movie? I mean they already did a nod to Arrested Development by having the truck with the stairs on it from the show in Civil War, but I'm wondering what they're referring to because it was probably such a fleeting cameo I may never have noticed.
https://news.avclub.com/yep-theres-an-arrested-development-character-hidden-in-1825618581
Quote from: Edward J Grug III on April 29, 2018, 08:53:13 PM
Quote from: Russoguru on April 29, 2018, 08:48:42 PM
Did anyone else notice in the end credits they said something about a character from Arrested Development being in the movie? I mean they already did a nod to Arrested Development by having the truck with the stairs on it from the show in Civil War, but I'm wondering what they're referring to because it was probably such a fleeting cameo I may never have noticed.
https://news.avclub.com/yep-theres-an-arrested-development-character-hidden-in-1825618581
Ha!
Wow... mind=Blown. I know Andrea would have gotten a big kick out of seeing that. :(
This is one of the saddest articles I've ever seen:
https://www.ksl.com/article/46310631/5-of-the-most-exciting-actual-and-possible-upcoming-marvel-movies
Quote from: Kete on April 30, 2018, 12:43:14 PM
This is one of the saddest articles I've ever seen:
https://www.ksl.com/article/46310631/5-of-the-most-exciting-actual-and-possible-upcoming-marvel-movies
Wow. It takes some serious laziness to fail at a clickbait article, but there you go.
Some things not related to the movie, just my theater experience.
The theater I was in was completely packed. Every normal seat taken. There were some handicap seats that were open. These are just like the regular seats, except there is no open seat in front of them so it is easier to maneuver around them. I think they might actually be for companions of handicapped people, since a handicapped person would just sit next to it in his wheelchair?
All other seating is reserved. I took my seat, and a family of 4 sat next to me. Directly next to me was a woman and her baby.. This worried me for the first hour because babies are essentially ticking time bombs of noise. The movie is 2 and a half hours long, and is a baby even capable of staying silent that long? Fortunately the baby stayed quiet form about the first hour. Around that point I went to the bathroom (because I had been drinking massive amounts of Coke Zero) and when I came back, I just sat in one of the handicap companion seats. Movie was halfway over, so I didn't think anyone was going to come sit there.
They really do give you an absurd amount of popcorn, even if you only buy the smallest size. I couldn't finish it all because after a while it just felt like I was eating packing peanuts.
When Black Panther vanished, people in the theater gasped.
Yeah Black Panther vanishing had me inside screaming "HOLY SHIT!"
Black Panther and Spider-Man disappearing were the most unexpected. Especially since they already have a planned Spider-Man sequel in the works (not including the CGI Sony movie). But it was clear they were deliberately using it to elicit the most emotion out of the audience. And for comics fans like myself it just further showed that they were definitely going to undo the deaths (at least most of them) in the next Avengers movie. Hell, they even showed how that's possible since we see Thanos do it with the Time Gem to Vision. Bold yes, but to the smart moviegoer it shows their hand.
That being said, I wouldn't have it any other way.
Hawkeye was under house arrest, where did they say Ant Man was?
Quote from: BathTub on May 03, 2018, 08:40:10 PM
Hawkeye was under house arrest, where did they say Ant Man was?
Same. He took the same deal
Ah ok.
I guess that's not a bad deal, all things considered. I'm just curious as to what will happen in the post credits scene for Ant-man and the Wasp...
What if the only character from the Defenders shows affected by the end of Infinity War is Danny Rand though? And also The Inhumans never happened.
Wait, maybe Scott Buck is dust now?
holy shit. I was expecting this movie to be bleak, but not this bleak. Even the usual comedy elements we've come to expect from Marvel have been toned don't.
Gamora's death had be tearing up. And then the whole heart breaking last 15 minutes. No, No this can't be happening :speechless:
I just hope they don't screw it up with some Time Travel reset button bullshit later down the road. As it stands now, this is the best Avengers movie to date, hands down.
One last thing. I can't be the only person who kept chatting "Cut his arms off you idiots.
I don't know about you guys but I'm totally stoked that Infinity Wars(as of this moment) is currently sitting pretty at the number 15 spot on the IMDB's top 250. About 2 weeks ago it made it's appearance in the top 10. But 15 is a pretty nice spot to have(even if it slipped down a few slots), considering none of the other MCU movies have been bestowed the honor of getting(and staying) on the top 250. Certainly a few of them may have started on the prestigious list someplace but AFAIK they have a rating of less than 8.0 out of 10 so they are all now out of the running.
I wonder when we will find out the name of the next Infinity War movie title. It's supposed to be a spoiler, so I'm guessing Nebula's Revenge or something like that.
Quote from: Darth Geek on May 12, 2018, 10:24:22 AM
I wonder when we will find out the name of the next Infinity War movie title. It's supposed to be a spoiler, so I'm guessing Nebula's Revenge or something like that.
Well, I've heard the title is supposedly going to scare the hell out of us all but that could just be a rumor. It could just as well be called Avengers: Disassembled or The Last Avenger(meaning Captain Marvel perhaps) or... let's not kid around, there is a whole universe of possible titles.
thanos is kinda stupid, right? someone in this thread must've said that already? the universe is not finite, resources are not finite, killing half the population would do nothing since population growth is exponential. the reason it might sound reasonable is the inequitable distribution we have here on earth. we could easily support massive populations if we were a bit better at sharing.
otherwise: really enjoyable movie. looking forward to how it gets resolved. i'm still assuming it'll be squirrel girl.
I've seen that take a lot, and I agree he is wrong, but I also think it's perfectly reasonable to have a character who believes that.
I don't think anyone rational would ever agree with Thanos's methods. After all, he is a Mad Titan, but when you've seen your methodology work before on a planetary scale, it tends to make you believe your own hype, even if it is towards it's most extreme possibilities.
(https://i.imgur.com/0lRoJHTh.jpg)
That took way longer than I should be willing to admit, but I get it!
Quote from: kunedog on April 28, 2018, 01:39:44 AM
I wonder if most folks will want to see an ending like that more than once; expect Infinity War's opening weekend to beat Black Panther's, but in subsequent weeks it'll be tough to hold up as well BP has.
Hey, it actually has, until now. Apart from its first and last weekends, Infinity War's daily totals have been
uncannily close to Black Panther's, as if the same people waited the same amount of time to see them:
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/showdowns/chart/?view=daily&id=marvelopeners.htm
Now it's falling off the pace despite reaching $600M. BP will probably crack $700M but I wonder if IW will.
But that's just in the US. Overseas it's a completely different story, and IW's simply crushing it. It topped BP's entire foreign run in just two weeks (
without China), and topped Force Awakens in just four. I didn't foresee that at all.
Part of me is content to not mind that factor too too much. What really matters to me is that it's very high on the IMDB's top 250 and that is NO small feat at all.
This guy's better than me at cataloging the postive stuff.
Sure is a good thing that Thanos doesn't know about the Addams Family theme song.
I just noticed on my second viewing Monday evening that when they went to Nidevelir there was another gauntlet. I guess Thanos didn't want that one? He burnt out his gauntlet after the snapture, but he still has the stones. Without a functioning gauntlet, he'll be less formidable. Maybe the other gauntlet will be used to undo things. Maybe Iron Man will use it, and that is why Doctor Strange gave up the Time Stone.
I assumed it was a positive from the mold making process.
Quote from: BathTub on September 05, 2018, 04:57:14 PM
I assumed it was a positive from the mold making process.
Are you sure?
Yeah, that's what I thought it was too. Eitri could make another one with it, though.
I had an interesting thought. Now that Thanos is basically equal to God, he could potentially do anything... BUT... what if he wanted to use the power of the gauntlet to bring Gamora back to life? Wouldn't the soul stone... for lack of better word "object" to Thanos "cheating?". That is of course assuming the stones possess some kind of sentience.
What if, instead of eliminating half the lives of the universe, he just doubled the resources?
Quote from: Russoguru on September 07, 2018, 06:18:39 PM
I had an interesting thought. Now that Thanos is basically equal to God, he could potentially do anything... BUT... what if he wanted to use the power of the gauntlet to bring Gamora back to life? Wouldn't the soul stone... for lack of better word "object" to Thanos "cheating?". That is of course assuming the stones possess some kind of sentience.
he'd have to get tyrion to make him a new glove first.
Quote from: goflyblind on September 07, 2018, 06:36:24 PM
he'd have to get tyrion to make him a new glove first.
Well I'm not so sure, I mean yeah the glove looks burned out, but Thanos was still obviously able to use the space stone.
Quote from: Kete on September 07, 2018, 06:27:42 PM
What if, instead of eliminating half the lives of the universe, he just doubled the resources?
Typical pessimist!
wait, couldn't he use the mind gem to convince sentient creatures to be better at conservation?
Quote from: goflyblind on September 07, 2018, 09:06:28 PM
wait, couldn't he use the mind gem to convince sentient creatures to be better at conservation?
There are a lot of things he can do with the full set of Infinity Stones, he is essentially an omnipotent being. But he doesn't because he is so set in his plan.
Quote from: Darth Geek on September 08, 2018, 07:08:27 AM
Quote from: goflyblind on September 07, 2018, 09:06:28 PM
wait, couldn't he use the mind gem to convince sentient creatures to be better at conservation?
There are a lot of things he can do with the full set of Infinity Stones, he is essentially an omnipotent being. But he doesn't because he is so set in his plan.
I think that maybe the gauntlet and the stones are weaker than they were in the comics. I have the distinct feeling that the Snapture burnt out the glove. His transport away from Earth was part of that same action.
Quote from: goflyblind on September 07, 2018, 09:06:28 PM
wait, couldn't he use the mind gem to convince sentient creatures to be better at conservation?
Of course Thanos isn't rational. He's an ideologue. If you look at any political tyrant in history, there's a lot of things they *could* have done better. Something about power and being set in their own ways, beliefs, and surrounding themselves with yes men seems to be a constant throughout history. Thanos fits all too well in that crowd.
This guy breaks it down perfectly. (https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/8jur9m/why_thanos_plan_makes_him_one_of_the_most/) (warning: leans politically left, but you can invert the belief system and it will make just as much sense.)
And if you don't want to click the link, I'll share the text here in a spoiler for length:
Why Thanos' plan makes him one of the most realistic supervillains in comic movie history -- a response to critics.spoiler
So there's this problem.
This problem is causing a lot of suffering. It costs a lot of resources, effort, man-hours, and planning to deal with the fallout of this problem. Most people agree that something should be done about it, although there are a lot of arguments about this and a lot of nuanced, complicated discussions that have to be made about this problem. Of course, some people don't even really believe it's a problem in the first place.
But there's this guy. He's convinced the problem is real and he's convinced that he has the solution to it. He thinks that one single solution will solve the problem. He thinks that all we need to do is enact his singular solution and this problem will be resolved forever.
Experts tell him his solution makes no sense. History shows that his solution only makes things worse. The average person on the street could point out dozens of flaws in this plan without any real expertise on the subject, that's how full of holes this plan is.
But this guy is powerful. He has the power to enact this plan and the will to see it through. He's charismatic enough to speak with conviction and passion about his solution. He convinces a fanatical following of people to get on board with his plan, even though that plan is going to harm many of them specifically. They do everything they can to help this guy enact his plan, and they won't be swayed by anyone or anything that tells them this plan is bad, unwanted, or just plain impossible. Even though it would be far easier for these followers and this guy to do any of the other, much more potentially succesful plans, they will refuse to do anything but this one plan. They look down at those who try to stop them with something like pity. After all, they know for sure that this plan is the only one that could possibly work.
I am, of course, talking about building a giant wall between Mexico and the United States to stop the problem of illegal immigration.
No, wait, I mean I'm talking about making all recreational drugs illegal and throwing addicts in prison to stop an epidemic of addiction.
Oh, sorry, my mistake, I'm actually talking about enacting abstinence only education to stop teen pregnancy.
My bad, I meant to say that I'm talking about banning vaccines in order to keep children from showing signs of autism.
Oops, wrong again, I'm actually talking about committing genocide against that underclass that so many of us hate in order to stop them from the secret manipulations they're totally for real definitely committing, and which are the cause of all of our problems.
No, scratch that, I'm actually talking about killing half the universe because of the problem of resource scarcity.
In case the above wasn't clear, I am utterly baffled by the people who criticize Thanos in Infinity War for having a stupid motivation, and, because of this, arguing that he's an unrealistic or poorly written character. Their arguments tend to be about how foolish Thanos' plan is. They tell us all that killing half the universe is a terrible solution because there are so many better ways he could have used his power to solve the supposed problem he was addressing. They complain that the movie was trying to convince us that Thanos was right or that Thanos is sympathetic. They complain that Thanos is unrealistic because his plan is so obviously flawed.
We live in a world full of Thanoses. There are people all over the place with terrible solutions to sometimes-real, sometimes-imaginary problems. Some of these people are flat-out evil fanatics, and others mean well and have only the best of intentions. Many of them have a lot of power and a lot of followers who will never be swayed against them.
I feel like the problem that many people really have with Thanos in Infinity War is that they assume that humanizing a character is the same thing as being told they should sympathize with this character. They think that having a villain show regret, remorse, love, or true and supposedly well-reasoned motivations is the same thing as making them "right."
There are real life parents who think their underage daughters should die rather than get an abortion. Most of these parents love their children very much, but their beliefs are such that they have come to a decision that they believe they have to make. They would allow their own child -- a child they love unconditionally -- to die. They would weep about it. They would regret having to do it.
They would still do it. It's happened before and will no doubt happen again.
But Thanos killing Gamora is bad writing, because people who have good intentions but terrible, even evil plans are incapable of feeling love or regret? Abusive parents can't feel love for the children they hurt?
Are these the same people who think Walter White's wife is the scumbag in that relationship? Are these the people who hang up pictures of Al Pacino's Scarface and aspire to be him someday? Do they think Travis Bickle in Taxi Driver is intended to be a character study about a poor, misunderstood hero who just wanted to make a difference?
Thanos as a character is explored pretty deeply in Infinity War, at least compared to most comic book villains, and yet I feel like so many of the critics walked away from the movie with the wrong lesson. They see Thanos tearing up over killing Gamora, his calm resolve mixed with regret over what he "has to do", and they think that this is the filmmakers telling us that Thanos is a sympathetic villain. They think that this is meant to show us that Thanos is really just a good guy making the tough decision.
It's not. It's showing us a character who is all the more terrifying because he is completely beyond reason. He's the final form of every terrifying leader in history who pursued actions that were at best misguided or harmful and at worst horrific because he felt -- he knew -- he was right. Metaphorically speaking, Thanos has god on his side. He knows he's right. He's full of regret over what he has to do, but he knows only he has the will to actually do it, and nothing anyone says or does will ever change his mind, because only he has the clarity to truly see what needs to be done.
Except he's not right. He's so obviously not right that it's ridiculous that people keep poking holes in his arguments as though "Imma kill half the people ever so that we all have enough stuff" isn't beyond absurd just on the face of it. You don't have to argue that. You don't have to point out all the ways you could actually solve the problem of resource scarcity. It's not intended to be a good plan on a meta level, and the only reason people seem to think otherwise is because they get confused when a piece of media humanizes a villain.
So, to sum up:
Thanos isn't an example of a poorly written character because his plan is stupid. If anything, he's the most realistic villain the MCU or possibly any superhero movie has ever had. Yes, he's a giant purple raisin man from outer space with a magic glove, but he's also the ultimate example of a well-intentioned extremist who is convinced their simplistic solution to a complicated problem is correct. Don't get confused and assume that just because a movie humanizes a character that it means you're supposed to think the character is the hero.
And man, I sure wish I lived in a world where the idea of a powerful figure leading a movement based on an incredibly destructive, incredibly simplistic solution to a problem was "unrealistic." That would be nice.
(PS: If you stuck with this entire thing, thank you.)And if you want the short version (I highly recommend reading what's above): Check your news. There are people everywhere with terrible solutions to very real problems. Imagine giving any one of them absolute power.
Quote from: Retro Muppet Pastor on September 08, 2018, 07:37:12 AM
I think that maybe the gauntlet and the stones are weaker than they were in the comics.
Abso-stinkin-lutely! Re-watch Guardians 1 again. Why does Ronan have to touch the planet before he can destroy it after obtaining the power stone? No reason other than it's more dramatic that way.
Quote from: Pak-Man on September 07, 2018, 08:42:38 PM
Quote from: Kete on September 07, 2018, 06:27:42 PM
What if, instead of eliminating half the lives of the universe, he just doubled the resources?
Typical pessimist!
Someone explained to me the reason Thanos couldn't just create more resources, unfortunately I can't recall it as of right now. I think that creating more resources has its drawbacks and is... at least in Thanos's eyes a solution that would work only temporarily.
Btw I know the Infinity Gauntlet appears to be complete toast at the end of IW... but Thanos was still able to use the Space Stone to escape. SO... does the gauntlet still work or not?
Quote from: goflyblind on September 07, 2018, 09:06:28 PM
wait, couldn't he use the mind gem to convince sentient creatures to be better at conservation?
That would assume that Republican's have minds
:rimshot:
Sorry! Wrong thread!
I wonder if the Gauntlet being damaged will be a factor in the next movie. It wasn't in the comics, so it seems like a deliberate change.
Quote from: Russoguru on September 08, 2018, 11:25:10 AM
Btw I know the Infinity Gauntlet appears to be complete toast at the end of IW... but Thanos was still able to use the Space Stone to escape. SO... does the gauntlet still work or not?
Likely that escape was part of the same overall action as the snap that killed half the universe. It's like having one wish but wording it in such a way to get two different things out of it.
Stories about genies never seem to make it clear if you can use conjunctions and complex sentences in your wish. Like could you say "I wish to have a billion dollars and a stunningly hot supermodel wife"? Or does that count as two wishes?
Does anyone know if the DVD of this contains special features? The Blu-Ray does, but I can't find out for sure on the DVD.
Quote from: Pastor of Muppets on October 08, 2018, 03:36:12 PM
Does anyone know if the DVD of this contains special features? The Blu-Ray does, but I can't find out for sure on the DVD.
AFAIK for at least the past 4-5 years now they have been phasing special features out of DVD's and have been reserving them for the Blu-ray and 4k Ultra HD releases. Nowadays most big releases have the feature only and little else aside from scene selection and language menus.
Getting back to something else I was addressing in this thread earlier...If Thanos DID use the Gauntlet to double the resources everywhere, in his mind that would be an even more cruel solution because doubling the resources would just eventually lead to more demand. To see the full solution I'm talking about, check out Comic Book Girl 19's Youtube channel.
Quote from: Russoguru on October 08, 2018, 03:50:34 PM
Quote from: Pastor of Muppets on October 08, 2018, 03:36:12 PM
Does anyone know if the DVD of this contains special features? The Blu-Ray does, but I can't find out for sure on the DVD.
AFAIK for at least the past 4-5 years now they have been phasing special features out of DVD's and have been reserving them for the Blu-ray and 4k Ultra HD releases. Nowadays most big releases have the feature only and little else aside from scene selection and language menus.
Oh poop. I wish I had realized that before I started buying the DVDs. I bit the bullet and bought a low end Blu Ray player for 35 bucks.
Quote from: Pastor of Muppets on October 16, 2018, 02:23:10 AM
Oh poop. I wish I had realized that before I started buying the DVDs. I bit the bullet and bought a low end Blu Ray player for 35 bucks.
I got a Sony blu-ray player really cheap like 4 or 5 years ago(But it was cheap so it's not exactly top of the line). I also have a PS3 i got back in 2015. I also have an Xbox one I just got almost a year ago. Between all those I technically have three blu-ray players and one 4k Ultra HD player... don't get me wrong though, a lot of times I just prefer to watch a DVD on my one remaining DVD player. Recently I got rid of my VCR along with all my VHS tapes so I'm stuck with just the disc format of media.... oh yeah, AND digital too, to be fair.
So a couple of "titles" have leaked online. One is Avengers: End Game. The other is Avengers: Annihilation. Thoughts?
Quote from: Kete on October 16, 2018, 02:43:22 PM
So a couple of "titles" have leaked online. One is Avengers: End Game. The other is Avengers: Annihilation. Thoughts?
I honestly cannot imagine it would be called "Endgame". Also, really not too keen on "Annihilation" either. Honestly, I would bet more on a title like "Avengers: A New Captain"(I know that sounds kind of silly but at least it makes sense... to a certain extent). I know, my opinion isn't exactly likely to sway the Russos decision or whoever's in charge of titling the film, but I really think that the safest bets are on titles like "Avengers Assembled", "The New Avengers", "Avengers Forever" or "Avengers: Secret War".
i think you should petition your government to call it, by law, infinity war two, electric boogaloo.
Quote from: Kete on October 16, 2018, 02:43:22 PM
So a couple of "titles" have leaked online. One is Avengers: End Game. The other is Avengers: Annihilation. Thoughts?
Neither of those is a spoiler, which would be the only reason they kept the title a secret. I'm thinking something like Nebula's Revenge, or Whoops All Carnages.
Quote from: Darth Geek on October 16, 2018, 06:27:54 PM
Quote from: Kete on October 16, 2018, 02:43:22 PM
So a couple of "titles" have leaked online. One is Avengers: End Game. The other is Avengers: Annihilation. Thoughts?
Neither of those is a spoiler, which would be the only reason they kept the title a secret. I'm thinking something like Nebula's Revenge, or Whoops All Carnages.
I think Annihilation makes perfect sense. It's a great description for what happened at the end of Infinity War, and it could also hint at the appearance of Annihilus. It is also the title of a series in the comics, which many of the movie subtitles do.
Quote from: Kete on October 16, 2018, 09:42:35 PM
Quote from: Darth Geek on October 16, 2018, 06:27:54 PM
Quote from: Kete on October 16, 2018, 02:43:22 PM
So a couple of "titles" have leaked online. One is Avengers: End Game. The other is Avengers: Annihilation. Thoughts?
Neither of those is a spoiler, which would be the only reason they kept the title a secret. I'm thinking something like Nebula's Revenge, or Whoops All Carnages.
I think Annihilation makes perfect sense. It's a great description for what happened at the end of Infinity War, and it could also hint at the appearance of Annihilus. It is also the title of a series in the comics, which many of the movie subtitles do.
I think after Mortal Kombat: Annihilation that subheading should be avoided at all costs.
I think that it will also be a title unique to the MCU, not something generic.
The trailer description that comes with the Annihilation rumor seems pretty cool:
The trailer starts off showing the damaged Infinity Gauntlet in a field on the farm planet. As the camera focuses in on the Gauntlet, we hear Tony's voice: "We were destined to lose." Epic music score starts
The Quinjet is shown landing in a Wakandan wasteland as we hear Steve Rogers say: "We have come so far." Tony and Nebula step off the jet as the remaining Avengers approach. Steve has a look of relief and says: "Tony". Tony, seemingly defeated, shakes his head and gives a friendly smirk back to Cap.
Marvel Studios Logo appears. We get a glimpse of the Battle of New York from 2012 Avengers. Loki is shown looking shocked and baffled as he is on top of the Stark tower. There is a flash of a blue light as the camera pans back. (Cuts to black)
Next we see the Wakandan throne with M'Baku at the helm. He's surrounded by his new kingsguard. (A mix of the hill tribe and Dora Milaje). Shuri and Banner are seen working on a new project in the lab. Black Widow, in full gear, is in Hawkeye's family home from Age of Ultron. Basically everything is thrown all over the place and broken. Nat is studying some type of map with multiple photos and locations on it. A quick shot of Thanos is shown with a long sword, walking down an alleyway in New York City.
The next shot is a dark hooded figure with glowing eyes, aiming a bow and arrow before shooting towards the camera. (1-2 visuals of the Quantum Realm) Scott Lang (no suit) is shown running through a park dodging explosions. (Shot of Space) Thor and Valkyrie are aboard a Kree ship. Thor says: "If the stories are true, you're our universe's last hope. If such a thing even exists anymore".
The next shot is an older, determined Tony Stark walking through the new SHIELD HQ's (Avengers Facility in upstate New York). He's in full SHIELD attire and carrying an orange briefcase. Banner (wearing spandex) is seen running from something, looking terrified. The next shot is Ant-Man appearing out of a flash of light and landing in a desolate place. We see it from his point of view from inside his helmet. He looks left to right and to his left again and says: "What in the-". (Camera focuses on Vormir and its stars)
Next, a shot of Rocket and Nebula modifying some new weapons in the lab. Rocket says "When can we try this bad boy out?" They both smile at eachother and fist-bump. We get our first glimpse of Iron Man in his red and gold nanotech armor. Hulk falls from the sky and lands in front of him. Thanos, in full armor, smiles. Hulk smiles back.
The next shot is in Japan. War Machine, Nat, and Steve (in their full Avengers gear) are surrounded by The Yakuza. Hawkeye (Ronin) walks through everybody from behind them and approaches the Avengers. There's an intense exchange of looks between Clint and Natasha (Next shot is at the Sanctum) Wong is communicating with Dr. Strange's soul via portal. (Cuts to black)
Grey haired Tony Stark and Ant-Man are in a post-apocalyptic NYC. The screen flashes back and forth multiple times through multiple scenes. We see Captain Marvel floating with her fists on fire and her eyes lit up. Thanos in the soul stone with young Gamora screaming at him Loki and Thor fighting off Chitauri together. And Tony handing Steve a brand new shield in the Wakandan throne room. (Cuts back to Tony and Scott)
Tony opens the orange briefcase as Scott hands him an illuminated bracelet. Tony asks: "How?... Is this even possible?" (Iron Man and Ant-Man are shown travelling through the Quantum Realm. Tony and Scott are back in the battle of New York from 2012. The final shot before the title reveal is an Infinity Stone disappearing from Thanos' damaged gauntlet. He abruptly gets up and puts on his armor. His face goes from extremely infuriated to a menacing smile.
Title reveal:
Avengers: Annihilation
Stinger:
The Hulk is training at the new SHIELD facility with Black Widow and Steve. Steve notices that Hulk has been training non-stop as of late, so he asks why. Hulk responds in Banner's normal voice with: "My rematch is coming real soon, I can feel it!"
It seems very time travel heavy. Which I'm down with. Especially if they are visiting previous MCU events
Annihilation seems very likely to me.
I grant you there is a possibility that it could be titled Annihilation. However, I also don't think they'd be holding onto the title this long without good reason. Someone either here or on FB said the title could possibly contain a major spoiler. That REALLY makes me wonder. However, of all the title guesses(all 14 million of them), one of them has to be right.
Quote from: Russoguru on October 18, 2018, 09:30:08 AM
I grant you there is a possibility that it could be titled Annihilation. However, I also don't think they'd be holding onto the title this long without good reason. Someone either here or on FB said the title could possibly contain a major spoiler. That REALLY makes me wonder. However, of all the title guesses(all 14 million of them), one of them has to be right.
But what could it be a spoiler for? If it's in the movie, are they not going to announce the title till after the movie is out? If it's Captain Marvel, will they really not advertise it at all before CM has been a out a few weeks? That leaves very little time before it comes out in the cinema.
No, I think they just want people speculating about the title and talking about the movie to build hype.
I seem to remember one of the Russos saying that they've overhyped the title a bit and it may be a bit disappointing.
If it IS something spoilery, but- like Grug said- not SO spoilery that they can never reveal it, I can only imagine it has to do with a specific comic book arc that the fans would recognize. Avengers: Disassembled, or Avengers: Fear Itself, or what-have-you.
I just had a horrible thought. What if they call it the Avengers Holiday special then move it to Christmas 2019???
Quote from: Russoguru on October 22, 2018, 03:43:02 PM
I just had a horrible thought. What if they call it the Avengers Holiday special then move it to Christmas 2019???
It would be worth it for the universe to be saved by a singing CGI Bea Arthur.
Quote from: Darth Geek on October 22, 2018, 03:51:37 PM
Quote from: Russoguru on October 22, 2018, 03:43:02 PM
I just had a horrible thought. What if they call it the Avengers Holiday special then move it to Christmas 2019???
It would be worth it for the universe to be saved by a singing CGI Bea Arthur.
I think I'd much rather see the Real Bea Arthur. However, doing so would require my hiring some Necromancers.
Watch as Bea Arthur sings to try to get the Avengers to leave her Schwarma restaurant at closing time.
Did anyone else notice Winter soldier's... I mean White Wolf's reaction to Rocket? He was just kind of like "Hey, a talking raccoon with a gun, well, considering all the effed up stuff I've seen today, that's not really all that weird."