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Title: What Blue things did you learn??
Post by: RVR II on April 22, 2010, 11:58:13 AM
I learned that too much blue is bad for your eye sight :speechless:
Title: Re: What Blue things did you learn??
Post by: Indomitus on April 22, 2010, 06:12:01 PM
I learned where we get the ink they put on your hand so you can get back into a club.
Title: Re: What Blue things did you learn??
Post by: Winboloer on April 22, 2010, 06:46:44 PM
I learned that the laws of physics do not apply to huge floating mountains.

I learned that infectious diseases do not affect either the human or navi populations.

I learned that a stone age lifestyle is a preferential one.

I learned the navi do not need dental or medical care at any point in their lives.

I learned that the navi don't need to be worried about volcanoes, climactic changes, asteroids, or other calamities that are capable of destroying the majority of life on Pandora, let alone their spirit trees.

I learned that the best way to commit interplanetary genocide is to still use circa Vietnam War technology, with foot soldiers and helicopters, instead of biological, chemical, or nuclear weapons... or even long range rockets... or orbital bombardment... or blankets laden with small pox.

I learned a few tribes of navi will have the power to stop the humans from doing the same thing on the other side of the planet.

I learned that if you expect to be attacked by swarms of pissed off aliens, the best way to save yourselves is to go into close combat with them and take heavy casualties rather than say... oh... evacuating.
Title: Re: What Blue things did you learn??
Post by: The Best Looking Man in the Middle Ages on April 22, 2010, 06:55:53 PM
I learned that in the military of the future, if you don't feel like following orders you can go and leave right in the middle of a combat operation. And not only will you not get court-martialled, no one will even ask you to give a good explanation for disobeying orders, leaving you free to organize a prison break.
Title: Re: What Blue things did you learn??
Post by: Trekker4747 on April 22, 2010, 07:08:55 PM
I learned that in 22nd century that we will have interplanetary spaceships, the ability to make hybrid lifeforms by combing DNA from two completely different planets, that we will be able to have human beings control these lifeforms via taning booths.  We will have giant space-planes, walking human-controled robot mechs, very handy and uncombersome reabreathers and we'll even be able to repair crippling spinalcord injuries.  But we'll still use projectile-based weaponry.

I learned that above mentioned robot mechs will be equiped with giant knives -just in case.

I learned that in above mentioned fantastical future that bomb-drops will include a handfull of men, a pallet and an open cargo-door.

I learned that alien races can evolve USB/firewire ports.

I learned that I'm attracted to giant blue Sigourney Weaver-like blue aliens.

Based on reviews and summaries of this movie I learned that many journalists and reviewers have no sense of size or scale. Because comparing the height of these "avatars" compared to humans in the scenes they're in togehter that unless they were really short humans, the avatars/aliens are a lot taller than 9 feet tall.



Title: Re: What Blue things did you learn??
Post by: The Best Looking Man in the Middle Ages on April 22, 2010, 07:29:15 PM
I learned that in Navi culture, you can destroy someone's house, but if your car is cool enough they can't say anything to you about it.
Title: Re: What Blue things did you learn??
Post by: Darth Geek on April 22, 2010, 07:49:12 PM
I learned that it takes 300 million dollars of CGI to get me to trick me into watching Dances With Wolves again.
Title: Re: What Blue things did you learn??
Post by: Indomitus on April 22, 2010, 08:38:26 PM
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I learned that the best way to commit interplanetary genocide is to still use circa Vietnam War technology, with foot soldiers and helicopters, instead of biological, chemical, or nuclear weapons... or even long range rockets... or orbital bombardment... or blankets laden with small pox.
And I learned that, once beaten in a single ground battle, the Human race will simply limp back to its planet to die, and not ever return with the afore-mentioned weapons of mass destruction to wipe the moon-planet clean from a safe vantage point in orbit (where even the giant red turkey can't fly).

I also learned that this planet- a moon in orbit around a larger planet- exhibits no fluctuation of climate or temperature that might be expected from its extreme variations in distance from the presumed solar body of that system.  And there are no changes in season, even after months have passed.  And it never rains.

I also learned this:
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Title: Re: What Blue things did you learn??
Post by: Ben on April 22, 2010, 10:46:37 PM
Quote from: Darth Geek on April 22, 2010, 07:49:12 PM
I learned that it takes 300 million dollars of CGI to get me to trick me into watching Dances With Wolves again.

Five hundred million, actually...  :rimshot:
Title: Re: What Blue things did you learn??
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 23, 2010, 12:28:11 AM
Quote from: Indomitus on April 22, 2010, 08:38:26 PM
I also learned that this planet- a moon in orbit around a larger planet- exhibits no fluctuation of climate or temperature that might be expected from its extreme variations in distance from the presumed solar body of that system.  And there are no changes in season, even after months have passed.  And it never rains.

There are bigger problems with that system, even a quick study of Jupiter's moons would point out they put the moon way too close to the gas giant to be able to support life, but it sure looks pretty in the sky.

This movie takes DNA's giant marble nutrimat cup joke to the extreme.
Title: Re: What Blue things did you learn??
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on April 23, 2010, 06:14:02 AM
I learned that James Cameron is a pompous asshole.
Title: Re: What Blue things did you learn??
Post by: Lemming Howard on April 23, 2010, 07:01:53 AM
I learned that the stuff the everybody is after is called "Unobtainium."  Seriously.  I heard the term in Spoony's review and I thought it was an obscure movie term for a plot device like a MacGuffin. 
Title: Re: What Blue things did you learn??
Post by: Darth Geek on April 23, 2010, 07:26:01 AM
Quote from: Lemming Howard on April 23, 2010, 07:01:53 AM
I learned that the stuff the everybody is after is called "Unobtainium."  Seriously.  I heard the term in Spoony's review and I thought it was an obscure movie term for a plot device like a MacGuffin. 
Well, it is, actually...
Title: Re: What Blue things did you learn??
Post by: Thrifty on April 23, 2010, 08:21:16 AM
Quote from: The Best Looking Man in the Middle Ages on April 22, 2010, 06:55:53 PM
I learned that in the military of the future, if you don't feel like following orders you can go and leave right in the middle of a combat operation. And not only will you not get court-martialled, no one will even ask you to give a good explanation for disobeying orders, leaving you free to organize a prison break.

That was the point in the movie where I just said "Fuck it.  They're not even TRYING to make a cohesive story."
Title: Re: What Blue things did you learn??
Post by: Lemming Howard on April 23, 2010, 08:58:13 AM
Quote from: Darth Geek on April 23, 2010, 07:26:01 AM
Quote from: Lemming Howard on April 23, 2010, 07:01:53 AM
I learned that the stuff the everybody is after is called "Unobtainium."  Seriously.  I heard the term in Spoony's review and I thought it was an obscure movie term for a plot device like a MacGuffin. 
Well, it is, actually...


I just always expect better fake scientific terminology in Sci-Fi films.   For example "dilithium."
Title: Re: What Blue things did you learn??
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on April 23, 2010, 09:13:07 AM
Quote from: Lemming Howard on April 23, 2010, 08:58:13 AM
Quote from: Darth Geek on April 23, 2010, 07:26:01 AM
Quote from: Lemming Howard on April 23, 2010, 07:01:53 AM
I learned that the stuff the everybody is after is called "Unobtainium."  Seriously.  I heard the term in Spoony's review and I thought it was an obscure movie term for a plot device like a MacGuffin. 
Well, it is, actually...


I just always expect better fake scientific terminology in Sci-Fi films.   For example "dilithium."

I don't like the term Unobtanium. They should have called it Costsalotium.
Title: Re: What Blue things did you learn??
Post by: spaceforarent on April 23, 2010, 09:15:23 AM
Quote from: kodiakthejuggler on April 23, 2010, 09:13:07 AM
Quote from: Lemming Howard on April 23, 2010, 08:58:13 AM
Quote from: Darth Geek on April 23, 2010, 07:26:01 AM
Quote from: Lemming Howard on April 23, 2010, 07:01:53 AM
I learned that the stuff the everybody is after is called "Unobtainium."  Seriously.  I heard the term in Spoony's review and I thought it was an obscure movie term for a plot device like a MacGuffin. 
Well, it is, actually...


I just always expect better fake scientific terminology in Sci-Fi films.   For example "dilithium."

I don't like the term Unobtanium. They should have called it Costsalotium.
Raritanium? Anyone?
Title: Re: What Blue things did you learn??
Post by: Action Batch on April 23, 2010, 09:19:14 AM
Quote from: spaceforarent on April 23, 2010, 09:15:23 AM
Quote from: kodiakthejuggler on April 23, 2010, 09:13:07 AM
Quote from: Lemming Howard on April 23, 2010, 08:58:13 AM
Quote from: Darth Geek on April 23, 2010, 07:26:01 AM
Quote from: Lemming Howard on April 23, 2010, 07:01:53 AM
I learned that the stuff the everybody is after is called "Unobtainium."  Seriously.  I heard the term in Spoony's review and I thought it was an obscure movie term for a plot device like a MacGuffin. 
Well, it is, actually...


I just always expect better fake scientific terminology in Sci-Fi films.   For example "dilithium."

I don't like the term Unobtanium. They should have called it Costsalotium.
Raritanium? Anyone?

Ratchet does have some Na'vi type qualities. Or vice versa.
Title: Re: What Blue things did you learn??
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 23, 2010, 09:25:55 AM
 I also learned that even though the "flux" messes up radar and guidance systems, it apparently doesn't mess up the signals that let the drivers link to their avatars.  Come to think of it, how do they link to the avatars, is there a radio receiver where the brain should be?  Where's the antenna? What kind of signal is it that lets them travel where ever they want and not lose contact?  Man this movie needs a continuous scroll along the bottom that says, "don't think, just watch the pretty pictures".

Just call the "stuff" what it is: plotdevicium 
Title: Re: What Blue things did you learn??
Post by: Darth Geek on April 23, 2010, 09:28:32 AM
Quote from: MartyS (Gromit) on April 23, 2010, 09:25:55 AM
I also learned that even though the "flux" messes up radar and guidance systems, it apparently doesn't mess up the signals that let the drivers link to their avatars.  
I was thinking the same thing when I watched it.

And the substance should have been called McGuffium.
Title: Re: What Blue things did you learn??
Post by: Thrifty on April 23, 2010, 09:32:01 AM
Quote from: spaceforarent on April 23, 2010, 09:15:23 AM
Quote from: kodiakthejuggler on April 23, 2010, 09:13:07 AM
Quote from: Lemming Howard on April 23, 2010, 08:58:13 AM
Quote from: Darth Geek on April 23, 2010, 07:26:01 AM
Quote from: Lemming Howard on April 23, 2010, 07:01:53 AM
I learned that the stuff the everybody is after is called "Unobtainium."  Seriously.  I heard the term in Spoony's review and I thought it was an obscure movie term for a plot device like a MacGuffin. 
Well, it is, actually...


I just always expect better fake scientific terminology in Sci-Fi films.   For example "dilithium."

I don't like the term Unobtanium. They should have called it Costsalotium.
Raritanium? Anyone?
Dumbassium
Title: Re: What Blue things did you learn??
Post by: Lemming Howard on April 23, 2010, 10:23:01 AM
Quote from: Thrifty on April 23, 2010, 09:32:01 AM
Quote from: spaceforarent on April 23, 2010, 09:15:23 AM
Quote from: kodiakthejuggler on April 23, 2010, 09:13:07 AM
Quote from: Lemming Howard on April 23, 2010, 08:58:13 AM
Quote from: Darth Geek on April 23, 2010, 07:26:01 AM
Quote from: Lemming Howard on April 23, 2010, 07:01:53 AM
I learned that the stuff the everybody is after is called "Unobtainium."  Seriously.  I heard the term in Spoony's review and I thought it was an obscure movie term for a plot device like a MacGuffin. 
Well, it is, actually...


I just always expect better fake scientific terminology in Sci-Fi films.   For example "dilithium."

I don't like the term Unobtanium. They should have called it Costsalotium.
Raritanium? Anyone?
Dumbassium


Well since it more like fantasy,  Mithril.
Title: Re: What Blue things did you learn??
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on April 23, 2010, 11:46:27 AM
Quote from: Lemming Howard on April 23, 2010, 10:23:01 AM
Quote from: Thrifty on April 23, 2010, 09:32:01 AM
Quote from: spaceforarent on April 23, 2010, 09:15:23 AM
Quote from: kodiakthejuggler on April 23, 2010, 09:13:07 AM
Quote from: Lemming Howard on April 23, 2010, 08:58:13 AM
Quote from: Darth Geek on April 23, 2010, 07:26:01 AM
Quote from: Lemming Howard on April 23, 2010, 07:01:53 AM
I learned that the stuff the everybody is after is called "Unobtainium."  Seriously.  I heard the term in Spoony's review and I thought it was an obscure movie term for a plot device like a MacGuffin. 
Well, it is, actually...


I just always expect better fake scientific terminology in Sci-Fi films.   For example "dilithium."

I don't like the term Unobtanium. They should have called it Costsalotium.
Raritanium? Anyone?
Dumbassium


Well since it more like fantasy,  Mithril.

Genocidium.
Title: Re: What Blue things did you learn??
Post by: Thrifty on April 23, 2010, 11:51:04 AM
Hold on, we need a new thread for the special material names.
Title: Re: What Blue things did you learn??
Post by: Indomitus on April 23, 2010, 12:13:51 PM
Quote from: Thrifty on April 23, 2010, 11:51:04 AM
Hold on, we need a new thread for the special material names.
I concurium.
Title: Re: What Blue things did you learn??
Post by: Darth Geek on April 23, 2010, 06:21:42 PM
I learned that even though the Na'vi can talk with the trees, and all the trees are connected, they are still taken by surprise by the GIANT BULLDOZERS TRAMPLING THE TREES FOR THREE MONTHS to get to them!

I learned that giant bright blue aliens are surprisingly difficult to hit.

I learned that aliens with bright blue skin and glow in the dark acne still put on war paint.
Title: Re: What Blue things did you learn??
Post by: Blaine on April 23, 2010, 07:15:40 PM
Quote from: Darth Geek on April 22, 2010, 07:49:12 PM
I learned that it takes 300 million dollars of CGI to get me to trick me into watching Dances With Wolves again.

Wait, you got to watch Dances With Wolves?!

Damnit! I would have killed to get Dances with Wolves.

They made me watch an 8th grade Earth Day play.
Title: Re: What Blue things did you learn??
Post by: Darth Geek on April 23, 2010, 08:21:55 PM
Quote from: Blaine on April 23, 2010, 07:15:40 PM
Quote from: Darth Geek on April 22, 2010, 07:49:12 PM
I learned that it takes 300 million dollars of CGI to get me to trick me into watching Dances With Wolves again.

Wait, you got to watch Dances With Wolves?!

Damnit! I would have killed to get Dances with Wolves.

They made me watch an 8th grade Earth Day play.
:D :D :D
Title: Re: What Blue things did you learn??
Post by: Indomitus on April 23, 2010, 08:50:23 PM
I learned you don't need 3D glasses, but beergoggles certainly help.
Title: Re: What Blue things did you learn??
Post by: starfighter on April 23, 2010, 10:36:11 PM
   They should have called it "upsadasium"  and had a guest appearance by Rocky and Bullwinkle to explain it.   Then the floating mountains would have made sense.

    It all looks real pretty on an Imax screen, though.
Title: Re: What Blue things did you learn??
Post by: JWhite on April 23, 2010, 10:53:44 PM
I learned that you can spend a billion dollars on CGI to show me things that will bore my mind for 2/3rds of a movie.

At least the Star Wars Prequels had amusing/cool action beats in them, hell even Beowulf was entertaining in it's action. But this? It had about as much action as New Moon did!  ::)
Title: Re: What Blue things did you learn??
Post by: TTYT on April 23, 2010, 11:29:32 PM
I learned that Private Vasquez was reincarnated - and then killed again.
Title: Re: What Blue things did you learn??
Post by: ShadowDog on April 24, 2010, 08:35:14 AM
Quote from: Darth Geek on April 23, 2010, 06:21:42 PM
I learned that even though the Na'vi can talk with the trees, and all the trees are connected, they are still taken by surprise by the GIANT BULLDOZERS TRAMPLING THE TREES FOR THREE MONTHS to get to them!

That's a great point actually.

Which makes one wonder, why bulldoze for three months?  You can airlift anywhere you want, build a spaceport anywhere you want, so it's not like you're spending all that time building roads, right?  RIGHT?!?
Title: Re: What Blue things did you learn??
Post by: Zandrax on April 24, 2010, 08:48:56 AM
I learned that GPS technology apparently ceases to exist in a few hundred years.
Title: Re: What Blue things did you learn??
Post by: JWhite on April 24, 2010, 09:46:19 AM
Since someone brought up the protection of the mechs, I have a new one...

That in the future, a main gunship pilot window can withstand arrows but normal mech glass shielding is so flimsy a rock and break through it...never mind why someone would use glass for shielding in the first place.
Title: Re: What Blue things did you learn??
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 24, 2010, 10:56:57 AM
Quote from: JWhite on April 24, 2010, 09:46:19 AM
That in the future, a main gunship pilot window can withstand arrows but normal mech glass shielding is so flimsy a rock and break through it...never mind why someone would use glass for shielding in the first place.

That's because in the future they have lost the formula for lexan, couldn't think of anything new, and have gone back to automotive glass.

Also they can scan the ground for minerals and pinpoint them, but have lost all knowledge of mining techniques other than strip mining.   They've got interstellar ships but have forgotten how to build tunnel boring machines?   If the surface is so hostile take your mining underground, building tunnels would be cheaper than paying for all those solders an weapons.
   

Title: Re: What Blue things did you learn??
Post by: Darth Geek on April 24, 2010, 01:11:33 PM
Quote from: MartyS (Gromit) on April 24, 2010, 10:56:57 AM
Quote from: JWhite on April 24, 2010, 09:46:19 AM
That in the future, a main gunship pilot window can withstand arrows but normal mech glass shielding is so flimsy a rock and break through it...never mind why someone would use glass for shielding in the first place.

That's because in the future they have lost the formula for lexan, couldn't think of anything new, and have gone back to automotive glass.

Also they can scan the ground for minerals and pinpoint them, but have lost all knowledge of mining techniques other than strip mining.   They've got interstellar ships but have forgotten how to build tunnel boring machines?   If the surface is so hostile take your mining underground, building tunnels would be cheaper than paying for all those solders an weapons.
   


Nah, underground is even worse. Pandora is TEAMING with Graboids!
Title: Re: What Blue things did you learn??
Post by: JWhite on April 24, 2010, 03:59:43 PM
Oooh, I have a new one:

I learned that when a seasoned trained marine who has previously fought in war and who is now introduced to a planet in which he is constantly warned by his superiors that it's code red hostile...that said marine's first tactic is TO TOUCH/PLAY WITH EVERY SINGLE BIT OF THE HOSTILE ENVIRONMENT IN SIGHT!
Title: Re: What Blue things did you learn??
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on April 24, 2010, 05:08:07 PM
I learned that somewhere between theatrical release and it's release on DVD, this movie lost it's opening title.
Title: Re: What Blue things did you learn??
Post by: Trekker4747 on April 24, 2010, 08:03:57 PM
It never had an opening title.

Title: Re: What Blue things did you learn??
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on April 24, 2010, 08:07:05 PM
Quote from: Trekker4747 on April 24, 2010, 08:03:57 PM
It never had an opening title.

???  Wonder if the one I saw was edited somehow.  It showed when he's saying "you have to wake up."
Title: Re: What Blue things did you learn??
Post by: Zandrax on April 25, 2010, 04:04:14 AM
Quote from: MartyS (Gromit) on April 24, 2010, 10:56:57 AM
Quote from: JWhite on April 24, 2010, 09:46:19 AM
That in the future, a main gunship pilot window can withstand arrows but normal mech glass shielding is so flimsy a rock and break through it...never mind why someone would use glass for shielding in the first place.

That's because in the future they have lost the formula for lexan, couldn't think of anything new, and have gone back to automotive glass.

Also they can scan the ground for minerals and pinpoint them, but have lost all knowledge of mining techniques other than strip mining.   They've got interstellar ships but have forgotten how to build tunnel boring machines?   If the surface is so hostile take your mining underground, building tunnels would be cheaper than paying for all those solders an weapons.

I think just IN THE FUTURE it will be far more cost effective to just send a bunch of military guys with billions of dollars in weapons of death and blow the surroundings to smithereens!!! ...rather than just tunnel mine down to what you want without harming the trees, ground, or indigenous life forms.
Title: Re: What Blue things did you learn??
Post by: Zandrax on April 25, 2010, 05:08:23 AM
Quote from: MartyS (Gromit) on April 23, 2010, 09:25:55 AM
I also learned that even though the "flux" messes up radar and guidance systems, it apparently doesn't mess up the signals that let the drivers link to their avatars.  Come to think of it, how do they link to the avatars, is there a radio receiver where the brain should be?  Where's the antenna? What kind of signal is it that lets them travel where ever they want and not lose contact?  Man this movie needs a continuous scroll along the bottom that says, "don't think, just watch the pretty pictures".

Just call the "stuff" what it is: plotdevicium 
Just to take this a step further

IN THE FUTURE... Scientists will have developed a remote control ability that utilizes the human brain for control. It is able to function in "flux" areas most other electronic devices fail at. Somehow the military either does not know about this, or refuses to incorporate it into their billion dollar war machines... preferring to potentially put hundreds of their men's lives in harms way.
Title: Re: What Blue things did you learn??
Post by: Zandrax on April 25, 2010, 08:44:32 AM
Quote from: Zandrax on April 25, 2010, 05:08:23 AM
Quote from: MartyS (Gromit) on April 23, 2010, 09:25:55 AM
I also learned that even though the "flux" messes up radar and guidance systems, it apparently doesn't mess up the signals that let the drivers link to their avatars.  Come to think of it, how do they link to the avatars, is there a radio receiver where the brain should be?  Where's the antenna? What kind of signal is it that lets them travel where ever they want and not lose contact?  Man this movie needs a continuous scroll along the bottom that says, "don't think, just watch the pretty pictures".

Just call the "stuff" what it is: plotdevicium 
Just to take this a step further

IN THE FUTURE... Scientists will have developed a remote control ability that utilizes the human brain for control. It is able to function in "flux" areas most other electronic devices fail at. Somehow the military either does not know about this, or refuses to incorporate it into their billion dollar war machines... preferring to potentially put hundreds of their men's lives in harms way.

To be fair, I did find an answer to all the military talk.

http://james-camerons-avatar.wikia.com/wiki/RDA

According to an unofficial wiki, it is actually NOT a government military force on Pandora but some sort of combat/security force that was part of the big bad corporation. So it's not military as much as it is more like security guys that just have robots and guns.
Title: Re: What Blue things did you learn??
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 25, 2010, 10:05:29 AM
Quote from: Zandrax on April 25, 2010, 08:44:32 AM
According to an unofficial wiki, it is actually NOT a government military force on Pandora but some sort of combat/security force that was part of the big bad corporation. So it's not military as much as it is more like security guys that just have robots and guns.

Yea, Scully says in the narration right after they land on Pandora.
Title: Re: What Blue things did you learn??
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on April 25, 2010, 01:46:56 PM
Well, even if they were real Military, there's a reason that acronyms like "SNAFU", "FUBAR", "TARFU" & "DEH" were invented there.

"There's the right way, the wrong way and the Military way."
Title: Re: What Blue things did you learn??
Post by: Relaxing Dragon on April 25, 2010, 02:28:52 PM
Quote from: MartyS (Gromit) on April 25, 2010, 10:05:29 AM
Quote from: Zandrax on April 25, 2010, 08:44:32 AM
According to an unofficial wiki, it is actually NOT a government military force on Pandora but some sort of combat/security force that was part of the big bad corporation. So it's not military as much as it is more like security guys that just have robots and guns.

Yea, Scully says in the narration right after they land on Pandora.

This is true, but I'm sure most of them where at least ex-military. Isn't that the same case with mercenary companies they have on this planet right now?
Title: Re: What Blue things did you learn??
Post by: Darth Geek on April 25, 2010, 03:20:21 PM
Quote from: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on April 25, 2010, 01:46:56 PM
Well, even if they were real Military, there's a reason that acronyms like "SNAFU", "FUBAR", "TARFU" & "DEH" were invented there.

"There's the right way, the wrong way and the Military way."

Isn't that just the wrong way?
Yeah, but it's causes more damage.
Title: Re: What Blue things did you learn??
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on April 25, 2010, 03:49:46 PM
Quote from: Relaxing Dragon on April 25, 2010, 02:28:52 PM
Quote from: MartyS (Gromit) on April 25, 2010, 10:05:29 AM
Quote from: Zandrax on April 25, 2010, 08:44:32 AM
According to an unofficial wiki, it is actually NOT a government military force on Pandora but some sort of combat/security force that was part of the big bad corporation. So it's not military as much as it is more like security guys that just have robots and guns.

Yea, Scully says in the narration right after they land on Pandora.

This is true, but I'm sure most of them where at least ex-military. Isn't that the same case with mercenary companies they have on this planet right now?

And many people will tell you that if the military still wanted these guys, they would have kept them.
Title: Re: What Blue things did you learn??
Post by: RoninFox on April 25, 2010, 04:02:20 PM
Quote from: MartyS (Gromit) on April 25, 2010, 10:05:29 AM
Quote from: Zandrax on April 25, 2010, 08:44:32 AM
According to an unofficial wiki, it is actually NOT a government military force on Pandora but some sort of combat/security force that was part of the big bad corporation. So it's not military as much as it is more like security guys that just have robots and guns.

Yea, Scully says in the narration right after they land on Pandora.

So pretty similar to how the "Corporation" worked in the Alien series?  Could we cross over those movies next, I want to see a big blue cat-eared Xenomorph tear some people apart.
Title: Re: What Blue things did you learn??
Post by: Relaxing Dragon on April 25, 2010, 04:28:07 PM
Quote from: RoninFox on April 25, 2010, 04:02:20 PM
Quote from: MartyS (Gromit) on April 25, 2010, 10:05:29 AM
Quote from: Zandrax on April 25, 2010, 08:44:32 AM
According to an unofficial wiki, it is actually NOT a government military force on Pandora but some sort of combat/security force that was part of the big bad corporation. So it's not military as much as it is more like security guys that just have robots and guns.

Yea, Scully says in the narration right after they land on Pandora.

So pretty similar to how the "Corporation" worked in the Alien series?  Could we cross over those movies next, I want to see a big blue cat-eared Xenomorph tear some people apart.

Not exactly that, but pretty close (semi NSFW): http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x207/RelaxingDragon1/NaviXenomorphCrossover.jpg  ;)
Title: Re: What Blue things did you learn??
Post by: TTYT on April 25, 2010, 05:13:48 PM
Quote from: Zandrax on April 25, 2010, 08:44:32 AM

To be fair, I did find an answer to all the military talk.

http://james-camerons-avatar.wikia.com/wiki/RDA

Ah, they had to abide by a treaty forbidding weapons of mass destruction in space. Guess that's why they didn't just orbitally bomb the place...
Title: Re: What Blue things did you learn??
Post by: RobtheBarbarian on April 25, 2010, 06:10:38 PM
I learned that someone on the concept art team plays Command and Conquer:

Spoiler
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A lot of the vehicles in Avatar are eerily similar to stuff from the C&C series. Not close enough to scream "Rip-off!", but close enough for my cousin, who doesn't really play the games, to tap me on the shoulder and whisper "It looks just like those Orca gunship things."

Title: Re: What Blue things did you learn??
Post by: Compound on April 25, 2010, 08:16:30 PM
No, it's probably C & C borrowing ideas from Cameron, who then borrowed ideas from himself.

Here's the drop ship from 1986's Aliens:
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That's the most likely inspiration for the helicoptergunshipthingees.
Title: Re: What Blue things did you learn??
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on April 26, 2010, 12:21:14 PM
There's also the fact that laws of physics and aerodynamics make it possible that there are just so many possible designs that make sense out there....

And you're talking about two ships that operate within the planet's atmosphere.
Title: Re: What Blue things did you learn??
Post by: cfkane on April 26, 2010, 01:15:53 PM
I learned that the Na'vi can listen to their ancestors via a USB connection to Pandora's RAM, and the ancestors are stored there when the Na'vi's minds are copied from the ROM of their bodies in a backup zip file. And if the planet was in fact connection on an internal network, the only reason the Na'vi would have been so upset about losing that one tree to the bulldozer was because it had been having server problems, and couldn't save its data onto a backup harddrive.
Title: Re: What Blue things did you learn??
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 26, 2010, 01:38:49 PM
Quote from: cfkane on April 26, 2010, 01:15:53 PM
I learned that the Na'vi can listen to their ancestors via a USB connection to Pandora's RAM, and the ancestors are stored there when the Na'vi's minds are copied from the ROM of their bodies in a backup zip file. And if the planet was in fact connection on an internal network, the only reason the Na'vi would have been so upset about losing that one tree to the bulldozer was because it had been having server problems, and couldn't save its data onto a backup harddrive.

I think they lost more than one tree, looked like there were 2 or 3 dozers and Jake only took out one of them.

But on the idea of backups, I guess it depends on how often natural disasters take place.

Let's say each tree is like a disk drive, with an estimated usable lifespan, you would develop a system of backups based on that, and let's say this has worked for millions of years.  Would you plan for entire banks of drives that were working perfectly and only partially into their expected lifespan to suddenly be damaged?   If this has never happened before then there's probably not enough "bandwidth" to transfer all the data quickly enough to save it.  If there have been forest fires or tornadoes or other natural events that occasionally come along you would think there would be some redundancy that would have evolved to deal with them.
Title: Re: What Blue things did you learn??
Post by: Indomitus on April 26, 2010, 02:03:42 PM
Geez, that planet's I.T. department must be HUGE.
Title: Re: What Blue things did you learn??
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on April 26, 2010, 02:59:14 PM
Quote from: cfkane on April 26, 2010, 01:15:53 PM
I learned that the Na'vi can listen to their ancestors via a USB connection to Pandora's RAM, and the ancestors are stored there when the Na'vi's minds are copied from the ROM of their bodies in a backup zip file. And if the planet was in fact connection on an internal network, the only reason the Na'vi would have been so upset about losing that one tree to the bulldozer was because it had been having server problems, and couldn't save its data onto a backup harddrive.

Which I guess makes the Na'vi trees the equivilant of Mount Seleya on Vulcan?
Title: Re: What Blue things did you learn??
Post by: Indomitus on April 27, 2010, 10:13:51 AM
One thing that I actually did learn:  After watching the movie and hitting Google, I learned what "VFR" means.  ("Visual Flight Rules" which is kind of the polar opposite of being Instrument Rated.)  It won't do me any good for anything, but I did learn it.

I also learned that, so far in the future, basic battle strategy consists mostly of "run headlong into the gun barrels of the enemy."
Title: Re: What Blue things did you learn??
Post by: Darth Geek on April 27, 2010, 10:21:02 AM
I learned that the other Na'vi clans apparently hate the horse riding clan because they were assigned the task of  "run headlong into the gun barrels of the enemy."
Title: Re: What Blue things did you learn??
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on April 27, 2010, 10:31:58 AM
Quote from: Darth Geek on April 27, 2010, 10:21:02 AM
I learned that the other Na'vi clans apparently hate the horse riding clan because they were assigned the task of  "run headlong into the gun barrels of the enemy."


I was also thinking why there were no archers up in the trees, until I saw the horse running on fire, then I figured Cameron had set up that entire battle just to set up that scene. 
Title: Re: What Blue things did you learn??
Post by: Darth Geek on April 27, 2010, 06:32:44 PM
Quote from: MartyS (Gromit) on April 27, 2010, 10:31:58 AM
Quote from: Darth Geek on April 27, 2010, 10:21:02 AM
I learned that the other Na'vi clans apparently hate the horse riding clan because they were assigned the task of  "run headlong into the gun barrels of the enemy."


I was also thinking why there were no archers up in the trees, until I saw the horse running on fire, then I figured Cameron had set up that entire battle just to set up that scene. 
When I saw that I kept thinking "She ran calling Wiiiiildfiiiire."
Title: Re: What Blue things did you learn??
Post by: Chiliking20 on April 30, 2010, 01:56:54 PM
While watching this movie I started wondering when J.K. Robertson would show up and try get his hands on some stupidium.
Title: Re: What Blue things did you learn??
Post by: Rattrap007 on April 30, 2010, 07:14:32 PM
Quote from: Chiliking20 on April 30, 2010, 01:56:54 PM
While watching this movie I started wondering when J.K. Robertson would show up and try get his hands on some stupidium.

he's not a team player...
Title: Re: What Blue things did you learn??
Post by: MrTorso on April 30, 2010, 08:10:52 PM
Quote from: Thrifty on April 23, 2010, 08:21:16 AM
Quote from: The Best Looking Man in the Middle Ages on April 22, 2010, 06:55:53 PM
I learned that in the military of the future, if you don't feel like following orders you can go and leave right in the middle of a combat operation. And not only will you not get court-martialled, no one will even ask you to give a good explanation for disobeying orders, leaving you free to organize a prison break.

That was the point in the movie where I just said "Fuck it.  They're not even TRYING to make a cohesive story."

I thought they weren't actually military, just ex-military and hired by "The Company".
Title: Re: What Blue things did you learn??
Post by: Indomitus on April 30, 2010, 08:34:23 PM
Quote from: MrTorso on April 30, 2010, 08:10:52 PM
Quote from: Thrifty on April 23, 2010, 08:21:16 AM
Quote from: The Best Looking Man in the Middle Ages on April 22, 2010, 06:55:53 PM
I learned that in the military of the future, if you don't feel like following orders you can go and leave right in the middle of a combat operation. And not only will you not get court-martialled, no one will even ask you to give a good explanation for disobeying orders, leaving you free to organize a prison break.
That was the point in the movie where I just said "Fuck it.  They're not even TRYING to make a cohesive story."
I thought they weren't actually military, just ex-military and hired by "The Company".
Still, when one breaks the chain of command in a combat situation, there are typically consequences.  Apparently not on Pandora, though.
Title: Re: What Blue things did you learn??
Post by: Lemming Howard on May 01, 2010, 02:06:50 PM
I learned when Quaritch grabbed Jake by his pigtail it wasn't quite like grabbing him by the balls.  At least that's not how I would have reacted.
Title: Re: What Blue things did you learn??
Post by: djshire on May 09, 2010, 05:31:40 PM
To never watch another James Cameron movie again
Title: Re: What Blue things did you learn??
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on May 09, 2010, 05:55:31 PM
Quote from: Lemming Howard on May 01, 2010, 02:06:50 PM
I learned when Quaritch grabbed Jake by his pigtail it wasn't quite like grabbing him by the balls.  At least that's not how I would have reacted.

Yeah, I did wonder about that....they connect to the animals and each other through their ponytails?  Shouldn't it be their tails?

Seems to me if the humans want to defeat the Na'vi you'd just have to give them a haircut....
Title: Re: What Blue things did you learn??
Post by: Darth Geek on May 09, 2010, 05:57:28 PM
Quote from: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on May 09, 2010, 05:55:31 PM
Quote from: Lemming Howard on May 01, 2010, 02:06:50 PM
I learned when Quaritch grabbed Jake by his pigtail it wasn't quite like grabbing him by the balls.  At least that's not how I would have reacted.

Yeah, I did wonder about that....they connect to the animals and each other through their ponytails?  Shouldn't it be their tails?

Seems to me if the humans want to defeat the Na'vi you'd just have to give them a haircut....
Or use Nair grenades. Which are also useful against Wookies.
Title: Re: What Blue things did you learn??
Post by: Bob on May 09, 2010, 07:32:39 PM
Quote from: Darth Geek on May 09, 2010, 05:57:28 PM
Quote from: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on May 09, 2010, 05:55:31 PM
Quote from: Lemming Howard on May 01, 2010, 02:06:50 PM
I learned when Quaritch grabbed Jake by his pigtail it wasn't quite like grabbing him by the balls.  At least that's not how I would have reacted.

Yeah, I did wonder about that....they connect to the animals and each other through their ponytails?  Shouldn't it be their tails?

Seems to me if the humans want to defeat the Na'vi you'd just have to give them a haircut....
Or use Nair grenades. Which are also useful against Wookies.

Or against French women
Title: Re: What Blue things did you learn??
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on May 09, 2010, 07:35:21 PM
Quote from: Bob on May 09, 2010, 07:32:39 PM
Quote from: Darth Geek on May 09, 2010, 05:57:28 PM
Quote from: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on May 09, 2010, 05:55:31 PM
Quote from: Lemming Howard on May 01, 2010, 02:06:50 PM
I learned when Quaritch grabbed Jake by his pigtail it wasn't quite like grabbing him by the balls.  At least that's not how I would have reacted.

Yeah, I did wonder about that....they connect to the animals and each other through their ponytails?  Shouldn't it be their tails?

Seems to me if the humans want to defeat the Na'vi you'd just have to give them a haircut....
Or use Nair grenades. Which are also useful against Wookies.

Or against French women

Or Robin Williams and Ed Asner
Title: Re: What Blue things did you learn??
Post by: Lemming Howard on May 13, 2010, 10:22:13 AM
I learned that breaking horse anteaters or butterfly dragons is a matter of plugging in.  However what happens if a Nav'i is more weak minded than the animal it's trying to master?  Does the horse anteater try to ride the Nav'i? 
Title: Re: What Blue things did you learn??
Post by: Lemming Howard on May 18, 2010, 10:20:31 AM
Oh yeah...I learned... what the hell happened to all the 'expensive Avatars" that were training when Jake went trying out his new body?
Title: Re: What Blue things did you learn??
Post by: Darth Geek on May 18, 2010, 11:38:18 AM
Quote from: Lemming Howard on May 18, 2010, 10:20:31 AM
Oh yeah...I learned... what the hell happened to all the 'expensive Avatars" that were training when Jake went trying out his new body?
I think they were still playing basketball the whole time. :D
Title: Re: What Blue things did you learn??
Post by: Lemming Howard on June 06, 2010, 10:17:25 AM
Quote from: Darth Geek on May 18, 2010, 11:38:18 AM
Quote from: Lemming Howard on May 18, 2010, 10:20:31 AM
Oh yeah...I learned... what the hell happened to all the 'expensive Avatars" that were training when Jake went trying out his new body?
I think they were still playing basketball the whole time. :D

That could be the future of the NBA!
Title: Re: What Blue things did you learn??
Post by: RoninFox on June 06, 2010, 02:38:32 PM
Quote from: Darth Geek on May 18, 2010, 11:38:18 AM
Quote from: Lemming Howard on May 18, 2010, 10:20:31 AM
Oh yeah...I learned... what the hell happened to all the 'expensive Avatars" that were training when Jake went trying out his new body?
I think they were still playing basketball the whole time. :D

They weren't actually part of the missions on Pandora, the same mysterious military/company was trying to develop a team that could actually defeat the Harlem Globetrotters.  Their centuries-old program to improve the Washington Generals was met with bitter failure.  Even the robot team they sent to face the Globetrotters faced on Gilligan's Island was outplayed.  With the Na'vi I think they finally have their answer.
Title: Re: What Blue things did you learn??
Post by: Bob on June 06, 2010, 03:42:42 PM
Quote from: RoninFox on June 06, 2010, 02:38:32 PM
Quote from: Darth Geek on May 18, 2010, 11:38:18 AM
Quote from: Lemming Howard on May 18, 2010, 10:20:31 AM
Oh yeah...I learned... what the hell happened to all the 'expensive Avatars" that were training when Jake went trying out his new body?
I think they were still playing basketball the whole time. :D

They weren't actually part of the missions on Pandora, the same mysterious military/company was trying to develop a team that could actually defeat the Harlem Globetrotters.  Their centuries-old program to improve the Washington Generals was met with bitter failure.  Even the robot team they sent to face the Globetrotters faced on Gilligan's Island was outplayed.  With the Na'vi I think they finally have their answer.

Yeah, when the tartan underpants failed to stop them, this was the next logical step.

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