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Poll
Question: How'd they fare against The Empire?
Option 1: 10 votes: 16
Option 2: 9 votes: 10
Option 3: 8 votes: 8
Option 4: 7 votes: 7
Option 5: 6 votes: 3
Option 6: 5 votes: 0
Option 7: 4 votes: 1
Option 8: 3 votes: 1
Option 9: 2 votes: 0
Option 10: 1 votes: 1
Title: Rank a Strike Back against The Empire!
Post by: RVR II on April 14, 2009, 09:05:50 AM
I'll watch it later and rank it then 8)
OK! This one was a Solid 10!!! Thanks to Chad Vader :clap: :clap:
Title: Re: Rank a Strike Back against The Empire!
Post by: Queen Shadowrama on April 14, 2009, 08:31:50 PM
Watching it now. This one is absolutely stellar - better than A New Hope if you ask me!

Though I have to ask - has anyone else had trouble hearing Chad Vader? Even with the movie volume lower than the Rifftrax by a decent amount, I can't make out like 80% of his riffs. Mike, Kevin and Bill sound fine, but I'm thinking that Chad's voice is so low it makes it harder to stand out amongst the rest of the noise...  :-\
Title: Re: Rank a Strike Back against The Empire!
Post by: RVR II on April 14, 2009, 08:33:46 PM
Quote from: Queen Shadowrama on April 14, 2009, 08:31:50 PM

Thought I have to ask - has anyone else had trouble hearing Chad Vader? Even with the movie volume down, I can't make out like 80% of his riffs. Mike, Kevin and Bill sound fine, but I'm thinking that Chad's voice is so low it makes it harder to stand out...  :-\
Yeah, I had to increase the mp3 audio a bit before rendering the DVD to catch a lot of his lines.. :-\
Title: Re: Rank a Strike Back against The Empire!
Post by: Indomitus on April 14, 2009, 09:07:02 PM
I've only listened to a bit of it so far, but yes Chad's lines sound lower than the rest.  That combined with the low-pitch vocal effect goes a long way to make it disappear into the background of the movie.  This one might need some serious ducking.
Title: Re: Rank a Strike Back against The Empire!
Post by: mearnest on April 15, 2009, 12:43:42 AM
Really good overall.  The Fawlty Towers/Waldorf Salad reference had me rolling.
Title: Re: Rank a Strike Back against The Empire!
Post by: bratpop on April 15, 2009, 07:51:36 AM
It was disappointly dull to start, and average in the end. Nowhere near as funny as Blame Society's Star Wars riff, and as I recall, not as funny as Rifftrax's Star Wars riff either. I laughed out loud a good dozen or so times, but the rest of the jokes were too obscure, obvious, random, hateful or sardonic for me. I felt almost no contribution from Blame Society, but that was expected, as the joy of their riff was in the surprise of how good they were, and the freshness of their own personal riffing style, neither of which comes through with the regular riffers.

The riff wasn't twice as good for the collaboration, and I'm hugely let down that we got this mish-mash instead of two separate riffs. If it's for the selling point, Chad Vader was enough without Matt and Aaron writing.
Title: Re: Rank a Strike Back against The Empire!
Post by: Maverick Joe Six-Pack on April 15, 2009, 09:25:12 AM
Quote from: mearnest on April 15, 2009, 12:43:42 AM
Really good overall.  The Fawlty Towers/Waldorf Salad reference had me rolling.

Dang, I missed that one.
Title: Re: Rank a Strike Back against The Empire!
Post by: David on April 15, 2009, 09:38:43 AM
Quote from: Maverick Joe Six-Pack on April 15, 2009, 09:25:12 AM
Quote from: mearnest on April 15, 2009, 12:43:42 AM
Really good overall.  The Fawlty Towers/Waldorf Salad reference had me rolling.

Dang, I missed that one.

Yeah when was that?
Title: Re: Rank a Strike Back against The Empire!
Post by: dalem on April 15, 2009, 09:16:49 PM
I give it a 6.

As with all RTs that I am eager for, my own mood may have colored it, so a re-watch (do the riffers thnk we're insane for watching these things so often?) in a week or so may change my opinion.  Also, it's Star Wars, and it's my favorite Star Wars movie, so I may have been distracted just by the movie and my own decades-piled internal riffs of the thing.

I found the last third funnier than the first third, but it seemed kinda fragmented, and I know this is super-picky, some of the volumes and timbres seemed off somehow.  There were times Bill sounded like he was "over on the couch", which is the normal way I hear most of these things, and there were times when it sounded like he was in a bucket with the mic right up against his mouth.

I dunno, I'm probably being whiney and I'll probably laugh more the second time around.  I did with Ep IV.

-dale
Title: Re: Rank a Strike Back against The Empire!
Post by: Quicksilver on April 16, 2009, 02:32:19 PM
I thought it was epic. Almost constantly had me laughing, which is tough with a 2hr movie. I didn't have a problem hearing Chad, with exception to a few loud scenes. Then again I don reauthor and just synch up the manual way, so The Audio is pretty good no matter what since the guys are coming through different speakers.

To PAL users, seriously you don't have to wait for the PAL release, just use Audacity to change the tempo of the rifftrax and it synchs up perfectly throughout the film. change tempo by 4.271%.
Title: Re: Rank a Strike Back against The Empire!
Post by: Indomitus on April 16, 2009, 05:56:03 PM
Quote from: Quicksilver on April 16, 2009, 02:32:19 PM
To PAL users, seriously you don't have to wait for the PAL release, just use Audacity to change the tempo of the rifftrax and it synchs up perfectly throughout the film. change tempo by 4.271%.
With this one, that'd probably work, since I really doubt there are any cuts or differences to worry about, just the playback speed.
Title: Re: Rank a Strike Back against The Empire!
Post by: MST3Kgirl on April 16, 2009, 09:19:54 PM
i thought the whole thing was really quiet, I had my computer cranked all the way up and still had to have the dvd at half the sound I usually have it.

Love Chad Vader.

Fave lines-  "Is this real life???" and "i'm so gonna get choked"
Title: Re: Rank a Strike Back against The Empire!
Post by: TheUnabeefer on April 18, 2009, 02:28:57 PM
Maybe it was the long delay between rifftrax's, but this feels nice and refreshed.  I enjoyed every bit of it, and it never felt forced in any way.

I gave it a solid 10.
Title: Re: Rank a Strike Back against The Empire!
Post by: Pak-Man on April 18, 2009, 11:45:35 PM
Doesn't quite top A New Hope, but it still manages a 10 in my book. Great stuff. :^)
Title: Re: Rank a Strike Back against The Empire!
Post by: ShadowDog on April 19, 2009, 12:25:45 PM
I loved it, even though I loathe Chad Vadar.  Fortunately he wasn't in it very much.  So many epic lines, so many awesome C3PO is gay jokes, it was really good.  I know it will be a while but I'm, already looking forward to them taking on ROTJ.
Title: Re: Rank a Strike Back against The Empire!
Post by: Invisible NanoGhost on April 19, 2009, 08:24:42 PM
I thought Chad had a quite a few good lines in this one.  Much more than in "A New Hope".
Title: Re: Rank a Strike Back against The Empire!
Post by: bratpop on April 20, 2009, 06:09:53 AM
Well, in A New Hope, they kind of had to stop what they were doing in order for Chad to have a line... if you know what I'm sayin', g-dawg.
Title: Re: Rank a Strike Back against The Empire!
Post by: ShadowDog on April 20, 2009, 06:53:06 AM
This release inspired me to go back and listen to all the others this weekend, and I think this is their second best SW riff behind ANH.  Two of the three prequels suffer from not having Bill and they just didn't seem to be on top of their game in the third Prequel, though it was still hilarious.
Title: Re: Rank a Strike Back against The Empire!
Post by: Thrifty on April 20, 2009, 09:08:56 AM
I give it a 1 because there were not enough people wearing hats.
Title: Re: Rank a Strike Back against The Empire!
Post by: Quicksilver on April 20, 2009, 06:44:20 PM
Quote from: Indomitus on April 16, 2009, 05:56:03 PM
Quote from: Quicksilver on April 16, 2009, 02:32:19 PM
To PAL users, seriously you don't have to wait for the PAL release, just use Audacity to change the tempo of the rifftrax and it synchs up perfectly throughout the film. change tempo by 4.271%.
With this one, that'd probably work, since I really doubt there are any cuts or differences to worry about, just the playback speed.

Oh it did work, I was using a PAL avi.spent like 2hrs trying to convert the movie to ntsc, than realized, duh! change the audio to PAL.. I never paused the movie or riff and by the end of the movie it was off maybe 0.30secs. Not even noticeable except at the sync points.
Title: Re: Rank a Strike Back against The Empire!
Post by: Action Batch on April 22, 2009, 04:24:46 AM
Quote from: ShadowDog on April 20, 2009, 06:53:06 AM
This release inspired me to go back and listen to all the others this weekend, and I think this is their second best SW riff behind ANH.  Two of the three prequels suffer from not having Bill and they just didn't seem to be on top of their game in the third Prequel, though it was still hilarious.

Holiday Special?
Title: Re: Rank a Strike Back against The Empire!
Post by: bratpop on April 22, 2009, 10:19:35 PM
Quote from: ShadowDog on April 20, 2009, 06:53:06 AM
Two of the three prequels suffer from not having Bill
You're trying to get them to resell us the first two movies with "almost sort of completely reworked material" aren't you.
Title: Re: Rank a Strike Back against The Empire!
Post by: MightyJack on April 24, 2009, 02:28:01 AM
New Hope stunk (both the pro's and the iriff version) so I wasn't too excited over this one. But it starts off with a bang, killer, steady riffing and then... it just up and died in the final 40 minutes. Still that strong start earns it an 8.
Title: Re: Rank a Strike Back against The Empire!
Post by: Waluigi on April 26, 2009, 03:41:26 PM
I give this a 10, it was very solid & funny, much better than New Hope ( NH was good, but it didn't have Yoda  :D). I know that Return of the Jedi won't be released for a while but I can't wait for it.
Title: Re: Rank a Strike Back against The Empire!
Post by: ShadowDog on April 26, 2009, 04:09:32 PM
Quote from: Action Batch on April 22, 2009, 04:24:46 AM
Quote from: ShadowDog on April 20, 2009, 06:53:06 AM
This release inspired me to go back and listen to all the others this weekend, and I think this is their second best SW riff behind ANH.  Two of the three prequels suffer from not having Bill and they just didn't seem to be on top of their game in the third Prequel, though it was still hilarious.

Holiday Special?

You count that crap?  Well, okay.  But personally I've never heard it and won't since the special will never be out on DVD.

Quote from: bratpop on April 22, 2009, 10:19:35 PM
Quote from: ShadowDog on April 20, 2009, 06:53:06 AM
Two of the three prequels suffer from not having Bill
You're trying to get them to resell us the first two movies with "almost sort of completely reworked material" aren't you.

I don't think they'd do it because they did have Kevin on both (and he's not chopped liver) but if they did it I'd be first in line.
Title: Re: Rank a Strike Back against The Empire!
Post by: dalem on April 30, 2009, 07:08:33 PM
Okay, I gave it a re-try and I can bump it up to a 7.  Decent, imo, but not great.  A really poor bit of writing, I have to say, is the joke when Luke & Han are yakking on their Tauntauns:

Shot of Luke talking to Han on his wrist-thingie: riff = "Standing still."
FX shot of stop motion Tauntaun running with dialogue overlay: riff = "Running."
Continued shot of Luke talking to Han on his wrist-thingie: "Standing still."

Which isn't funny because Luke's Tauntaun is stopped and Han's is running.  It's not an editing problem (wait for Jedi for those - sheesh), it's a riff writing problem that no one caught.

Oopsie.

Now, if they do a riff for Jedi and miss the one horrifyingly-bad editing flop, I'll be geek-mad. :)

-dale
Title: Re: Rank a Strike Back against The Empire!
Post by: FBX on April 30, 2009, 10:09:41 PM
Yeah I agree on the standing still/running/standing still thing but they made up for it with the lines they gave the Yeti.
Title: Re: Rank a Strike Back against The Empire!
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on May 09, 2009, 11:03:37 AM
Quote from: ShadowDog on April 26, 2009, 04:09:32 PM
Quote from: Action Batch on April 22, 2009, 04:24:46 AM
Quote from: ShadowDog on April 20, 2009, 06:53:06 AM
This release inspired me to go back and listen to all the others this weekend, and I think this is their second best SW riff behind ANH.  Two of the three prequels suffer from not having Bill and they just didn't seem to be on top of their game in the third Prequel, though it was still hilarious.

Holiday Special?

You count that crap?  Well, okay.  But personally I've never heard it and won't since the special will never be out on DVD.

Too bad, you're missing out on one of the funniest riffs ever...

Gave this one a 9, slightly better than EpIV.  Had me laughing most of the time, with a few really good ones.
Title: Re: Rank a Strike Back against The Empire!
Post by: NYFalcon1981 on June 01, 2009, 09:37:23 PM
I am a bit late to the show but I've been IRIFFin' it up lately.

Anyways I enjoyed this more than A new hope: 9.3 vs 9.18 (both Rifftrax and Blame Society, in fact I've been going through all of our star wars riffs recently and from favorite to least favorite my list is : Holiday Special, Empire, Blame Society, A new hope-I laughed more than at Blame, but their anger held back the fun a bit for me, Ep 2, Ep 3, Ep 1)

But back to the subject at hand Empire!!   Well done guys, I enjoyed from start to end (end being VERY strong),  good job on letting Chad get a good number of lines and some quality jokes!!

From my super-nerd-metric, the thing that stood out for me was the "teamwork" or group jokes, one person starts it and someone else jumps in with a hilarious line to take a good job to the next level, all in all very fun, laid back and I hope to show some of my riff-appreciating friends this during the week!
Title: Re: Rank a Strike Back against The Empire!
Post by: not so bad really on June 03, 2009, 11:43:27 PM
I agree with ShadowDog. Chad Vader's contributions were a bit obnoxious.
Title: Re: Rank a Strike Back against The Empire!
Post by: Nunyerbiz on July 05, 2009, 11:02:12 AM
ESB was a consistent chuckler, but not one that hit me with very many big belly laughs. It was good to see Chad Vader getting more utilized than his previous Rifftrax collaboration, but I didn't think he was nearly as funny as during the Blame Society riff of A New Hope. I thought the track lost a little steam towards the final third, and it's probably in the middle of the pack as far as SW riffs, but this one is still strong enough to warrant repeat viewings.

7/10
Title: Re: Rank a Strike Back against The Empire!
Post by: CJones on November 04, 2009, 07:33:27 PM
10/10 from me

I only have a handful of 10/10s (Chamber of Secrets, Matrix Reloaded, Twilight and Star Trek 6 are the other ones). Like those, this is one of those ones I never get tired of rewatching. They obviously went out of there way to make this one good, and it shows. Fantasic job in all respects.

Though the Taun-Taun running/standing still thing did bug me a bit.
Title: Re: Rank a Strike Back against The Empire!
Post by: Edward J Grug III on January 21, 2010, 03:58:36 PM
We finally watched this last night in anticipation of Jedi.

Eh.

It had some real gut-busters, but the rest were OK at best and a lot of real misses.

In fact, Chad Vader really owned this riff, if you ask us.

For Chad I bumped my score up to a 7.

A New Hope was so perfect that maybe we were expecting too much? But I watched the sample of Jedi and it was hilarious, so maybe it's just the source material? I dunno.
Title: Re: Rank a Strike Back against The Empire!
Post by: CJones on August 14, 2010, 08:17:35 PM
A New Hope was better, I'll give you that. However, that movie has the dual advantage of being the first Star Wars movie, and being much more "make-fun-of-able". ESB is the only SW movie I really like, so I went into this riff expecting to disappointed (I usually don't like when they riff movies that are actually good).

I wasn't disappointed.
Title: Re: Rank a Strike Back against The Empire!
Post by: BathTub on November 05, 2014, 10:58:19 PM
I liked this one better than ANH, good solid riff. A 9.