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Pak and Tyrant's quest to watch them all!
« on: June 21, 2008, 09:02:54 PM »
Well, the other day me and my lovely wife, Tyrant, made a decision. We're both huge fans of MST3K, but neither of us have seen them all. We've both seen the Rhino Releases, and I've seen all of the Sci-Fi era, but we've never seen all of them. So how do you begin a journey like this? At the beginning and one step at a time, so, over the next few months (Hopefully not years) we're going to watch every episode from KTMA 04 all the way to Danger: Diabolik, in order, then we'll both come back here and post our thoughts and reviews of each episode. We've already "aquired" our first batch of KTMA-Era episodes, and my DVD burner is feverishly working on making them viewable on our nice big-screen TV (Because you need HD quality to appreciate the KTMA stuff. :^)) and we'll be posting our thoughts on K04 tonight or tomorrow morning sometime. :^) Feel free to pitch in with words of encouragement, your own personal critiques of the episodes we've just posted on, and anything else that comes to mind during our epic journey.


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Re: Pak and Tyrant's quest to watch them all!
« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2008, 01:02:18 AM »
How many are you planning on watching a day or just on weekends or whenever it strikes your fancy? I was thinking I might join you on this journey since there's a few I still have not watched after acquiring all these episodes the past few years.


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Re: Pak and Tyrant's quest to watch them all!
« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2008, 01:49:27 AM »
Definitly, watch them all In Order from K-04 to 1013, including the Xtras (see Josh Way's MST cover collections) :o

I did it, and just to let you know, It took me over 4 months every day after work & weekends to get through them all :speechless:

Also, if possible, break them down into individual episodes per disc and use Josh Way's slim dvd covers to encase them for organization & future viewings .. And you may need to stock up on ink cartridges and maybe an extra dvd burner just in case :P
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Re: Pak and Tyrant's quest to watch them all!
« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2008, 01:56:21 AM »
How many are you planning on watching a day or just on weekends or whenever it strikes your fancy? I was thinking I might join you on this journey since there's a few I still have not watched after acquiring all these episodes the past few years.

Probably just on weekends for the most part or whenever it strikes our fancy. :^) We will be going in order, so it shouldn't be too hard to play along at home. I'm hoping to get at LEAST one per week, probably 2 or more, so it'll take a little longer than it did for RVR, but we'll have time to stop and smell the roses. :^)


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Re: Pak and Tyrant's quest to watch them all!
« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2008, 01:59:24 AM »
Ah! So you're making a Journey out of it? Nice.

Yeah, I forced my wife to endure my pain those 4 months, and when ever she here's the MST3k theme song at the beginning, she leaves the room now :-X


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Re: Pak and Tyrant's quest to watch them all!
« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2008, 05:46:36 AM »
How many are you planning on watching a day or just on weekends or whenever it strikes your fancy? I was thinking I might join you on this journey since there's a few I still have not watched after acquiring all these episodes the past few years.

Probably just on weekends for the most part or whenever it strikes our fancy. :^) We will be going in order, so it shouldn't be too hard to play along at home. I'm hoping to get at LEAST one per week, probably 2 or more, so it'll take a little longer than it did for RVR, but we'll have time to stop and smell the roses. :^)

One a week? That'll take you 2 years! :)

Good luck!


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Re: Pak and Tyrant's quest to watch them all!
« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2008, 06:26:08 AM »
My, this sounds like a perfect opportunity to organize your reviews, thoughts and comments and post them online.

There are several good MST3K review sites out there that a lot of us get a ton of entertainment reading, but, most of those reviews are over a decade old.   Would be interesting to see how they held up over time.

If you want, I can store your reviews on the "Entertainment" section of my webpage so you dont have to start your own if you dont already have one.



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Re: Pak and Tyrant's quest to watch them all!
« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2008, 06:29:08 AM »
Count me in,  I think I've seen 95% of them and I can't remember which ones I've missed.  I should be able to find time at the pace you've suggested. 


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Re: Pak and Tyrant's quest to watch them all!
« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2008, 01:37:17 PM »
My, this sounds like a perfect opportunity to organize your reviews, thoughts and comments and post them online.

There are several good MST3K review sites out there that a lot of us get a ton of entertainment reading, but, most of those reviews are over a decade old.   Would be interesting to see how they held up over time.

If you want, I can store your reviews on the "Entertainment" section of my webpage so you dont have to start your own if you dont already have one.



Awesome. Go for it. I'm doing this as an excuse to write about anything (And to watch MST3K, of course) so it'd be awesome to have people actually reading it too. :^)


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Re: Pak and Tyrant's quest to watch them all!
« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2008, 02:09:12 PM »
MST3K Episode K04: Gamera Vs. Barugon



The Movie:
An expedition to find a giant opal goes south when one of the crew decides to kill off the rest of the crew to claim the opal all for himself. Litle did he know, it was actually an egg that hatches a giant lizard-dog-monster thing with a battering ram for a tongue that spews destructive rainbows from its back. Fortunately, Japan's favorite rocket-turtle beast is on the scene to take him on!

The Episode:
Ah. From these humble beginnings...

The bots all looked and sounded way different. Tom, of course, was voiced by Josh at the time. Crow, voiced by Trace, was trying to work more of a monotone, robot-sounding element to his voice. Gypsy did this gasping inhaling voice (That  was probably murder on Josh's vocal chords.) and looked like some sci-fi alien dinosaur skeleton.

The riffing wasn't nearly as polished as it would come to be in later years. The dialogue was mostly improv at the time (If I have my sources right) and there were a lot of gaps between riffs. (If you Riffaholics thought Batman and Robin was bad...) Even so, there were a few Riffs that felt like they could have come out of any of the later episodes (Even the running gag riff, "He seemed like a nice guy.... AT FIRST!" seems to have started running here) Fortunately the movie is a goofy enough affair on its own ("A rear view mirror is basically like a death ray projector, right?") so the experiment is largely watchable.

The host segments are mostly viewer call-ins (Including the infamous one from the guy who just didn't get it and loved the movie but hated the interruptions.)  except for the last bit which has the bots discovering prank calls. There are no mad scientist bits and no invention exchange. The whole thing has a much rougher and more local feel to it (Which is likely because it was much rougher and more local.)

My favorite Riff: "Wow! He's discovered the Blowtorch!"

Overall:   Mostly interesting for historical reasons. It's neat to get a look at how MST3K began. There are a few chuckle-worthy riffs and the movie provides some chuckles of its own, but it's a far cry from the greatness that would follow.

Rating: 3 out of 10.


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Re: Pak and Tyrant's quest to watch them all!
« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2008, 02:25:16 PM »
Hey, Pak-Man, don't you think the door sequence in the KTMA episodes were much better the doors in the Joel-Comedy Central era? Tell me it's not just me.


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Re: Pak and Tyrant's quest to watch them all!
« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2008, 03:24:54 PM »
MST3K Episode K04: Gamera Vs. Barugon (Tyrant's Take)


 
  At the risk of reiterating Pak's very nicely written review, we've decided that whoever gets the chance to review first will do so following the motif above, while the other gets to throw in their 2 cents in a more free form, opinionated way (otherwise, it's just the same review over again). PSLOne, thanks for offering to post up our reviews. You don't have to include the opinionated 2nd parts if you don't want to (wouldn't blame you if you skipped them if you're going for something more objective).

My take:

  I've been a Gamera fan for quite some time, and was excited about the prospect of "seeing where it all began" in terms of MST3K. I appreciate the fact that whoever uploaded this episode spliced in a fairly decent conditioned intro, which made me think for a moment or two that the entire show would be in the same condition. Unfortunately, I'd peg the recording to be roughly 8th or 9th generation and it really shows. Warbled sound made it hard to understand anything Tom Servo was saying most of the time (which sucks because he had some good lines you've really got to pick out to understand) and sometimes overlapped Joel's lines too. Crow was easier to understand overall but I was weirded out by his robotic monotone. Even more than Tom's psuedo-Kermit the Frog-type voice.

  The movie itself is standard giant monster fare and you don't really get the feeling you're missing much with the terrible picture resolution. Some of the monster fighting reminded me of the confusing battle scenes in, dare I say it, Transformers. I couldn't tell the difference between Barugon and Gamera when the two were tangling. Fortunately, as giant monster movies go, you don't really need to know who is who so long as the main monster wins in the end. As Pak mentioned, the riffing comes in momentary spurts and is obviously improvised. I have to say, however, that even improvised the lines are funny, even if a bit tame compared to the riffing in future eps of the show. Thanks to this ep, Pak and I would never have known Best Brains was called Hair Brain at the time. Nor that Kevin Murphy tackled the camera and lighting for the host segments.

   Speaking of, there's a quaint charm to the original sets and effects when the show was local. I loved the door segments (why did they take away the cool snatching vine-things in later eps?) and Tom's silvery paint job. I actually really dig Gypsy's original look too, although her design later on looks a little more friendly and less industrial. And who knew Cambot was a robot behind a camera originally, instead of a camera/robot combo? It seems only Crow's design (and the theme song, of course) has stood the test of time, with only subtle adjustments like making his eyes able to roll around later on (and probably more details that folks way nerdier than me can point out). Also, Joel looks good with long hair.  ;)

  Overall, this is the most kick ass local show I've ever seen. You can tell the creators were putting lots of love into the show before it even went national, and that they truly believed in the premise they were working with. The show, even in this stage, oozes potential but it's obvious no one knew at the time what exact direction to take it in. It's not as well structured at this stage, with very short host segments that lack the interaction between Joel and the Mads, and the long periods of silence during the movies. There are so many elements they carried over into the later, more polished eps however, that makes this early episode feel as much like MST3K as they do.

Rating: 4 out of 10


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Re: Pak and Tyrant's quest to watch them all!
« Reply #12 on: June 22, 2008, 03:57:48 PM »
Wow, I've never seen any of the KTMA episodes, but you guys almost make it tempting.

http://www.robertpreed.com/Entertainment_Links.html

Let me know if you want an introduction, a reason behind the episode guide, a picture, whatever added.   

The goofy GoDaddy.com site is ungodly slow tonight, so the cleaning up on the page may have to wait!

Now you are officially on the hook for seasons K-10!


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Re: Pak and Tyrant's quest to watch them all!
« Reply #13 on: June 22, 2008, 11:03:48 PM »
Hey, Pak-Man, don't you think the door sequence in the KTMA episodes were much better the doors in the Joel-Comedy Central era? Tell me it's not just me.
Not just you. The original door sequence was awesome. :^) I do miss the throbbing hum noise, though.


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Re: Pak and Tyrant's quest to watch them all!
« Reply #14 on: June 22, 2008, 11:22:59 PM »
MST3K Episode K05: Gamera


The Movie:
An arctic expidition unearths an ages-old, fire-eating, fire-breathing, flying turtle monster. It craves fire, and the carnage caused by Tokyo seems pretty delicious to the big guy. Meanwhile, a kid with an obsession for his little turtle shifts his obsession to the big one.

The Episode:
Servo and Crow sit this one out, and we get to see Joel riff all by himself. He actually does a good job on his own and gets more riffs in than the whole cast got together in K04. It suffers a bit from the lack of someone to play off of, but the movie, yet again, carries the episode on its own goofiness. Riffing and giant monsters are a match made in heaven, it seems.

The host segments are, again, made up mostly of viewer call-ins. There are some amusing calls from people claiming to be from  the giant mutant turtle coalition, and then from the giant mutant turtle coalition. I also found it amusing that one of the callers let the s-word fly on television, and they covered it up by replacing it with "ship" in the on-screen transcript. The viewer interaction makes these early episodes fun to watch. It's fun to hear from what must have been some of the first MSTies.

My favorite riff: War has come to the Eskimo Village.

Overall: Not a bad episode. The laughs are on-par with some of the first season Comedy Channel episodes. Quite a feat since they seemed to be short staffed with Josh and Trace sitting out on the riffing. We're not at greatness, yet, but there's a little bit more of the MST3K magic in the theatre segments than there were in K04.

Rating: 4 out of 10.