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Re: Rifftrax Book Club: Book 2: Bukowski's "Women"
« Reply #15 on: June 13, 2008, 12:35:35 PM »
Ah ok, that's the edition I'm thinking of :)

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Re: Rifftrax Book Club: Book 2: Bukowski's "Women"
« Reply #16 on: June 13, 2008, 12:37:55 PM »
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Re: Rifftrax Book Club: Book 2: Bukowski's "Women"
« Reply #17 on: June 14, 2008, 06:57:46 AM »
Ok so thoughts:

First off, for a while when I was about 15 or so there was a woman who lived next door who was quite like Lydia: two kids (twin girls rather than older boy and younger girl), pretty brunette, completely, almost homicidally, deranged.

Second do you have a different edition to me Anais? He lusts after Selma in a sort of general way but he actually gets down to business with another woman during that speaking engagement, Lilly.

Thirdly, have you both seen Withnail and I? If you like Bukowski I think you'd enjoy that film if you've not already seen it, conversely I love the film and I'm really enjoying the book as it taps into many of the same pools of inspiration but with the added element of a successful (and, within the narrative, newly revitalized) sex life.

What a shame Chinaski wasn't around for the advent of Craigslist and the like, he'd have had a ball  ;)
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Re: Rifftrax Book Club: Book 2: Bukowski's "Women"
« Reply #18 on: June 14, 2008, 10:04:20 AM »
I don't have a different addition. He lusts after Selma, reffering to her as the "property" of another man. That is the point I was trying to make.

Tripe, why do you think Chinaski would stay with the homocidal Lydia. I used to be a lot like Lydia and I got dumped a lot, yet other girls would get dumped, and then stalk their exes (leaving messages on their machine, waiting outside their door for them to come home) and they would end up getting back together

So i guess what i am saying is: How come the crazy-girl approach works for Lydia and this other girl I knew but not me?



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Re: Rifftrax Book Club: Book 2: Bukowski's "Women"
« Reply #19 on: June 14, 2008, 12:34:14 PM »
Possibly you are attracted to a certain personality type that doesn't like the psychogirl approach. It certainly worked for my erstwhile neighbour, she would have physical altercations (in which the bloke was constantly taking defensive postures as she hammered away at him with her fists and elbows in the back garden, but he never left or on the one or two occasions when he did he came back quick-smart.

Take Ted Hughes for example, two of his missuses topped themselves but apparently he was going for that sort of girl at the time. The thing that impressed him about Sylvia was when she bit a chunk out of his cheek at their first meeting.

I think Hank's been so long without a woman that he sort of imprints on the first one to offer him any sort of play. Plus she taught him a new trick, that'll always make a girl stay in one's mind.
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Re: Rifftrax Book Club: Book 2: Bukowski's "Women"
« Reply #20 on: June 14, 2008, 02:06:23 PM »
...plus Selma(or whatever her name was) worshipped him for his writing talent, while Lydia loved him but was very envious of his artistic talents.  I think she has a love-hate thing going for him:  she loves him for his writing and hates him just as much at the same time.  Hank seems to like that love-hate thing and that's why he can't be with a woman like Selma for too long.
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Re: Rifftrax Book Club: Book 2: Bukowski's "Women"
« Reply #21 on: June 14, 2008, 04:57:35 PM »
You boys are missing my point with Selma.


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Re: Rifftrax Book Club: Book 2: Bukowski's "Women"
« Reply #22 on: June 14, 2008, 05:22:47 PM »
Nobody can answer why you like men that hate you.
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Re: Rifftrax Book Club: Book 2: Bukowski's "Women"
« Reply #23 on: June 15, 2008, 08:27:32 AM »
You boys are missing my point with Selma.

Er but this was your point:

Selma  (the professor's wife on pg 32) and Nicole (the cultured world traveler). I got the feeling that fucking these types of women offer Chinaski self-empowerment. Let the record show, that I do the same thing.

Putting aside the little Augustinian Confession moment at the end, it's predicated on something Hank doesn't do: Fuck Selma.

Is the point you're making that Hank doesn't want to be empowered?


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Re: Rifftrax Book Club: Book 2: Bukowski's "Women"
« Reply #24 on: June 15, 2008, 08:37:22 AM »
Well what it comes down to is convenience for Hank.  The women is crazy enough to scare other men off somewhat, but not too crazy that she isn't worth being around with.  Hank kinda slips in there and takes advantage of her weaknesses and needs.  They seem to fill each others needs though too.  Hank is lazy in all things but his talents.
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Re: Rifftrax Book Club: Book 2: Bukowski's "Women"
« Reply #25 on: June 15, 2008, 12:15:45 PM »
So I think we have a pretty good initial idea of the character and situations thereof, do we want to discuss a little more, or decide on a new place to read to?


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Re: Rifftrax Book Club: Book 2: Bukowski's "Women"
« Reply #26 on: June 15, 2008, 12:26:57 PM »
More reading gets my vote.
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Re: Rifftrax Book Club: Book 2: Bukowski's "Women"
« Reply #27 on: June 15, 2008, 06:30:05 PM »
more reading


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I think i've figrued out why women hate you though


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Re: Rifftrax Book Club: Book 2: Bukowski's "Women"
« Reply #28 on: June 15, 2008, 07:18:10 PM »
Ok so to 150 then?


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Re: Rifftrax Book Club: Book 2: Bukowski's "Women"
« Reply #29 on: June 15, 2008, 09:31:55 PM »
Sounds Good