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Re: Joss Whedon's Dollhouse
« Reply #15 on: March 29, 2008, 12:50:51 AM »

I'll be watching it., for sure.

I'm curious to see which writers from Team Joss will show up in this project.

*crossing fingers for a Tim Minear sighting*

While I've liked pretty much everything Tim Minear's done, he's the kiss of death for new TV series of late.  ;)

When I made the above comment, all I had on my mind was the greatness of the episodes he wrote for Angel, these two in particular:

Epiphany
Lullaby

Aside from Joss, he's my favorite talent behind anything that's in the Buffyverse.

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Re: Joss Whedon's Dollhouse
« Reply #16 on: March 29, 2008, 06:28:08 AM »
As long as Marti Noxious is nowhere to be found, I'll happily give it a try.

I'm definitely not in the "Joss is God" camp, but I really enjoyed some of the writing and directing in Buffy and Angel. Firefly completely didn't do it for me, though, and I really, REALLY tried to like it - it came on during the height of my wife's and my fascination with Buffy / Angel, but the writing was stale and predictable, and the acting was horrible.

So Dollhouse could really go either way for me... we'll see.
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Re: Joss Whedon's Dollhouse
« Reply #17 on: March 29, 2008, 01:49:46 PM »
As long as Marti Noxious is nowhere to be found, I'll happily give it a try.

Oh god, she was awful. That brings back some horrid moments of the Slaya.

...and Firefly was a no-go for me as well. I gave it and the film numerous tries, but meh.

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Re: Joss Whedon's Dollhouse
« Reply #18 on: March 29, 2008, 06:45:47 PM »
As long as Marti Noxious is nowhere to be found, I'll happily give it a try.

Oh god, she was awful.

Indeed.

The real proof for me was her mistreatment of Spike as a character in any episode she was involved in. Now, I'm not one of those nutjob "I <3 Spike, don't fuck with him!" people, but she forced the character into a place that he just didn't belong based on the way that Joss wrote him, and the way she talked about him made it really obvious that she was disdainful and dismissive of him. Writers who *do* get emotionally invested in their characters should NOT be invested in them with negative emotions. It's a bad place to be. She just... wasn't talented. And her ideas sucked. Also, she couldn't sing. ;)
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Re: Joss Whedon's Dollhouse
« Reply #19 on: March 29, 2008, 07:53:50 PM »

I'll be watching it., for sure.

I'm curious to see which writers from Team Joss will show up in this project.

*crossing fingers for a Tim Minear sighting*

While I've liked pretty much everything Tim Minear's done, he's the kiss of death for new TV series of late.  ;)

When I made the above comment, all I had on my mind was the greatness of the episodes he wrote for Angel, these two in particular:

Epiphany
Lullaby

Aside from Joss, he's my favorite talent behind anything that's in the Buffyverse.


Yeah, he's great, it's just the stuff he's done recently gets cancelled really quickly...   :)


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Re: Joss Whedon's Dollhouse
« Reply #20 on: March 29, 2008, 11:11:59 PM »
Should we be talking about Joss Whedon's dollhouse? Seems kind of personal.


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Re: Joss Whedon's Dollhouse
« Reply #21 on: March 30, 2008, 12:15:10 AM »
Akin to your personal statement, I think riffing becomes second nature to a lot of us and we just never turn it off ... which can make some things we say seem personal.

Getting back to Dollhouse, the report I read was that Eliza actually brought Joss on board.  She had the development deal and brought him in, so that makes me wonder how much creative control he's going to have.  Nothing against Eliza, but if she's calling a lot of the creative shots we could be in trouble.
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Re: Joss Whedon's Dollhouse
« Reply #22 on: March 30, 2008, 04:19:32 AM »
Indeed.

The real proof for me was her mistreatment of Spike as a character in any episode she was involved in. Now, I'm not one of those nutjob "I <3 Spike, don't fuck with him!" people, but she forced the character into a place that he just didn't belong based on the way that Joss wrote him, and the way she talked about him made it really obvious that she was disdainful and dismissive of him. Writers who *do* get emotionally invested in their characters should NOT be invested in them with negative emotions. It's a bad place to be. She just... wasn't talented. And her ideas sucked. Also, she couldn't sing. ;)

Ick! Please don't remind me of Noxon's singing!! :P

If an episode had any hint of bathos in it, it was a certainty to me that it was "Noxed". I'll never be able to shake her penned episode from Season Six, Wrecked, and the treatment of Willow within it. It went entirely too far with that absurd addiction motif. At that moment, Buffy went downhill for me (Angel was rocking and rolling in its 3rd season). Also, wasn't the 6th season when Noxon became a co-showrunner? I did like the Geek Trio, Tabula Rasa, and of course, Once More With Feeling quite a bit, but outside of that, .the rest of the sixth season...yikes.

Getting back to Dollhouse, the report I read was that Eliza actually brought Joss on board.  She had the development deal and brought him in, so that makes me wonder how much creative control he's going to have.  Nothing against Eliza, but if she's calling a lot of the creative shots we could be in trouble.

I don't believe Eliza's going to be calling any of the shots. Here's a little more on the above subject matter...

http://community.tvguide.com/blog-entry/TVGuide-Editors-Blog/Ausiello-Report/Eliza-Dushku-Lures/800026169

So what is the concept, exactly? Explains Whedon: "Dollhouse is a suspense drama about a girl who can have any personality except her own." So it's part Alias and part Quantum Leap, "because Echo is literally changing who she is," he continues. "She gets into people's lives a little bit."

You got half of it right, A Pretty Girl Is Like. :)

Whedon is the creator, head writer and executive producer, and perhaps in part because Dushku convinced him to do the show, she's getting a producer credit. (Fellow Buffyverse alum Tim Minear is also on board.)

Score! Ever the optimist, his luck will change with this project. ;)


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Re: Joss Whedon's Dollhouse
« Reply #23 on: March 30, 2008, 06:27:25 AM »
As long as we don't end up with it being like the last show Dushku was involved with...

"Earlier tonight, on Dollhouse..." :P
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Re: Joss Whedon's Dollhouse
« Reply #24 on: March 30, 2008, 06:31:29 AM »
As long as we don't end up with it being like the last show Dushku was involved with...

"Earlier tonight, on Dollhouse..." :P

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Re: Joss Whedon's Dollhouse
« Reply #25 on: March 30, 2008, 06:55:15 AM »
Tru Sucking Calling

I rather like Bathos


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Re: Joss Whedon's Dollhouse
« Reply #26 on: March 30, 2008, 02:40:08 PM »
Fox will cancel this one as well.  And why wouldn't they?  It's no Skating with the Stars right?  Why doesn't Joss just skip the whole song and dance number and simply pitch an idea called, "Please screw me and Tim Minear once again Fox, you stupid bastards." because I know I would DVR it every week. >:D
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Re: Joss Whedon's Dollhouse
« Reply #27 on: March 30, 2008, 05:53:34 PM »

Fox will cancel this one as well.  And why wouldn't they?  It's no Skating with the Stars right?  Why doesn't Joss just skip the whole song and dance number and simply pitch an idea called, "Please screw me and Tim Minear once again Fox, you stupid bastards." because I know I would DVR it every week. >:D

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Re: Joss Whedon's Dollhouse
« Reply #28 on: March 31, 2008, 12:25:04 AM »
Wouldn't Joss be better OFF with a "song and dance number"? That's the only show Fox would keep.


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Re: Joss Whedon's Dollhouse
« Reply #29 on: March 31, 2008, 05:26:43 AM »
I don't understand why he keeps GOING back to Fox. He must be some kind of masochist.
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