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Re: What was the last movie you watched?
« Reply #19110 on: January 27, 2020, 12:25:38 PM »
This movie was only 90 minutes.
I understand that, but between all the plodding, it felt like a lot longer to me.


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Re: What was the last movie you watched?
« Reply #19111 on: January 27, 2020, 05:02:49 PM »
This movie was only 90 minutes.
I understand that, but between all the plodding, it felt like a lot longer to me.

I had the opposite experience. The box said 112 minutes, so I was expecting it to be close to 2 hours and to feel that long. When Venom defeated the movie's main villain, I could immediately sense that the movie was climaxing too soon. Sure enough when I checked the chronometer it was only 1hr 23 minutes into the film. There was another few minutes for Eddie to hook up with the girlfriend he left in the woods, then came the scene in front of her house, and the bodega scene and it was the ending credits by 90 minutes. There was still another 22 minutes left on the chronometer, which had me wondering why the credits would be 22 minutes long. It's basically a film you forget a few minutes after watching. ( In comparison, I kept thinking about Brightburn nearly a week after watching it. Although it helped that the song in the ending credits of Brightburnwas nominated for song of the year, so every time I heard Billie Eilish's Bad Guy it would bring me back to the last ten minutes of that film. ) But  as forgettable as it was, Venom never felt like it was dragging. It was pretty much adequate and no more.
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Re: What was the last movie you watched?
« Reply #19112 on: January 27, 2020, 05:10:41 PM »
3 Faces
You ever feel like you were watching a movie... wrong.  Like expectations lead you astray and caused you to miss elements you should have been looking for?  3 Faces is a good movie but I think I didn't realize until the end what kind of movie it was and how I was expected to view it.  The premise of the movie is an Iranian actress gets a video of a girl who tried to reach out to her, fail and commit suicide on camera.  The actress isn't sure it is real but she wants to know so she drags her director friend (the director of this film, playing himself) to head to where the girl lived and try to find out the truth.

That makes it sound like some kind of thriller, but it is really more of a drama and at about the halfway point the film reveals the answer and the rest of the film is about dealing with that information.  At the risk of tipping the film's hand, it is really a film that is quieter from there on in with conversations and I think I was looking for something more menacing than there actually was, which made me miss some of the humour and humanity in those scenes.  I don't know if I will watch it "right" later, but I really did think it was a well-made film and should check out the directors other films sometime.


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Re: What was the last movie you watched?
« Reply #19113 on: February 01, 2020, 02:51:40 PM »
Color Out Of Space (2019) - This movie was...good, but very weird. Which is appropriate for a Lovecraft adaptation. But difficult to adapt, and for the audience to take in. The visuals were the best part, very well done. And it did a good job keeping a building sense of tension.
It had some things that felt obligatory. The inclusion of the Necronomicon and spells, but they don't seem to go anywhere. Nicholas Cage has freakout moments, one in particular in the car, that feel like they just did it because they had cast Nicholas Cage.
  He also has these episodes where his personality changes a little, and he takes on some odd accent. Sometimes it almost sounds like a bad Trump impression. I have no idea what that was supposed to be. He didn't sound like anyone else in the movie when he changed. It seemed more like something from The Case of Charles Dexter Ward.
  It also has some parts lifted straight from John Carpenter's The Thing. Which is appropriate as that was clearly heavily inspired by Lovecraft.
  The water specialist character is in it at the beginning and the end. Yet he's narrating it like he was there the whole time. The teenage girl is more of a main character than he is.
  Speaking of which, the teenage girl's name is Lavinia. It's such a weird name, and not in keeping with all of the other characters' normal names, that it stick out like a sore thumb. It's not from that particular story either, it's from The Dunwich Horror. And in that Lavinia is the crazy albino mother of Wilbur Whately. So it's just distracting and out of place. I didn't wait until the end of the credits, but I half expected her to be met by Old Man Whateley about "The Yog-Sothoth Initiative".



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Re: What was the last movie you watched?
« Reply #19114 on: February 02, 2020, 10:34:07 PM »
Shaolin ( 2011 )
There have been a lot of films about the destruction of the Shaolin Temple, which have always taken place during the Qing Dynasty in either the 1600s or 1700s by Qing forces after learning the temple was teaching Kung Fu to rebels. ( this legendary destruction of the temple can not be verified by historic record, and folk legend can not agree on the exact decade the supposed destruction took place. But many martial arts schools trace their histories back to the Five Elders of Shaolin, the five monks who were said to be the only survivors of the destruction of the temple, which forced them to flee into the surrounding country where they eventually spread their Kung Fu, their students eventually opening their own martial arts schools, which produced martial arts masters who opened their own schools, which produced martial arts masters who opened their own schools, and so on down to the recent martial arts masters. ) What makes this film different is that the destruction of the temple takes place during the early years of the Republic of China, in the early 1900s.  In the David Carradine series Kung Fu, the destruction of the temple takes place in the middle 1800s, specifically because the producers wanted the series to be a Western with a Shaolin Monk as the hero instead of a cowboy.  The spin-off series Kung Fu: The Legend Continues, the destruction of Shaolin takes place in the 1970s, although the temple is described as "A Shaolin Temple" and was located in California. Otherwise this is the only destruction of the temple that I know of on film or television which takes place later than the 1700s. Perhaps the biggest problem with depicting the destruction of the temple within the past 200 years is that it would take place during the era when soldiers had guns. Which is what happens in this film, where a lot of the monks die by being shot to death. There are, however, a few villains who prefer fighting with martial arts instead of firearms. Onn interesting thing about the plot is that the film's hero begins as the film's villain. Andy Lau plays a warlord who invades the temple, and while holding the monks hostage by gunpoint, shoots to death the soldier who took sanctuary there. Lau's second in command ( Nicholas Tse ) attempts to kill him in a coup, but only succeeds in killing his daughter. Andy ends up taking sanctuary at the temple himself, and after eventually feeling guilt and shame for everything he did as a warlord, shaves his head and becomes a monk. Once fully reformed, he decides to rescue the prisoners Tse is using as slaves, eventually leading to an attack on the temple, and a final confrontation between both men. This is a really good film, but not quite the classic as the past films about the Shaolin Temple. Jackie Chan has what is described in the credits as a guest appearance,  but has a lot of screen time and is basically a supporting character who does get his own fight scene.

Justice League ( 2017 )
I am finally getting around to the rest of the DCEU films. I last left off with Wonder Woman, but like most people, kept waiting for an extended version or alternate Snyder Cut of this film to be released before buying it. But although there were rumors an ultimate edition would be released for Christmas, which turned out to be false, so far Warner Bros. refuses to even comment on if a Snyder cut exists, or to announce a release of any extended edition or edition containing all the deleted scenes. So I finally broke down and bought the only existing home video release of Justice League. And I just know that there will be an announcement about a new release with an extended or Snyder cut along with the theatrical cut, and I will have to double dip. I hate wasting money on double dipping. The biggest problem with waiting out a Snyder/extended/alternate cut of the movie is that it was preventing me from moving on to the next two films in the DCEU. ( Which is currently imploding with the success of the non DCEU Joker, and will wind up as dead as the Universal Monster Cinematic Universe should the Wonder Woman sequel tank.

But lets get back to Justice League, a film I heard nothing but bad things about. The verdict, I liked it. No, it is nowhere as good as The Avengers, the MCU's first team-up film. But it is still entertaining. And yea, I know that DC comic book fans will have their reasons for hating this film, mostly for what it didn't do rather than what it got wrong.  But the DCEU films are actually on the high range of superhero films. Or is everyone forgetting how superhero films were in the 90s?I have seen so many superhero films that are either bland or unwatchable crap that something as good as Justice League is welcome, even if it could have been a lot better. At the least it did set things up for the JLA film everyone really wants, where the Justice League fights the Legion of Doom. The question is if we will  ever see that sequel as a DCEU film, or if it ends up happening in the Arrowverse instead.



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Re: What was the last movie you watched?
« Reply #19115 on: February 07, 2020, 10:27:46 AM »
Birds of prey and the fantabulous emancipation of one Harley Quinn - This movie rocks. No, seriously, a DC movie actually kicks ass. I know a lot of people loved Shazam and Joker but for one, I'm never going to watch Joker ever again, ever. For two, I am never going to watch Shazam because of all the people talking shit about Brie Larson and Captain Marvel, and I have a very low tolerance for the kind of horrible shit people were and still are saying about her.

Anyway, back to the movie. Suicide Squad was a pretty sad disappointment. It's already only 5 bucks at Wal-mart now, if that tells you anything. Margot Robbie is fantastic as Harley Quinn. The character was first introduced in the Batman animated series from the early 90's(but feel free to correct me if I am wrong.), and her character is a lot more fleshed out and more well-developed in this movie. Additionally, there's more characters like Black Canary(Jurnee Smollett Bell), Renee Montoya(Rosie Perez), and Huntress(Mary Elizabeth Winstead). They are all very well developed in terms of back story, and all their introductions feel natural and not there just because the plot requires them to.

The fight choreography is great. The only thing that irked me a little is that
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Ewan Macgregor is also great, he really convinced me with this film that he is capable of the chameleon-like quality of disappearing into a role so completely you'd never mistake him for Obi-Wan... especially in a fairly disturbing scene where he hears a woman who he thinks is laughing at him. Black Mask is a truly terrifying villain. There's a couple hardcore scenes in this movie, one that in particular even by itself would have made the movie R-rated simply for its thematic content.

The film almost has a Kill Bill feel to it, except without all the extreme blood and gore. Birds of Prey is rated R mostly for tons and tons of language, which I don't have a problem with and it serves to give the movie a more real world feel to it. There's definitely lots of violence, with just a touch of gore here and there. .

I'd still approach anymore DC movies cautiously, but I'd definitely recommend Birds of Prey.
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Re: What was the last movie you watched?
« Reply #19116 on: February 08, 2020, 04:41:07 PM »
Birds Of Prey (2019) - Well that was...frustrating. I didn't hate it, but there were only certain elements that I liked. I liked Margot Robbie as Harley Quinn. And Harley is an enjoyable character to follow for the movie. It was stylish and colorful. The fight scenes were fun.
  But the plot was pretty barebones, and it really just boiled down to being a gangster film. And I hate gangster films. Ewan McGregor is clearly having fun as Black Mask, but ultimately he's just a normal gangster. He wears a mask at the end for no apparent reason other than the comic character did, and he has no powers or anything else interesting about him. So I don't really believe it when he says "I own this town!". Really, this generic guy is a major criminal player in Gothom City of all places? They reference The Joker (although we don't see him), and presumably the rest of Batman's rogues gallery is around to some extent. So it's just disappointing that all we get is this schmuck.
  I also felt that we didn't really get to know much about the other Birds of Prey women. This is certainly far better than Suicide Squad, but it feels like it suffers from one of the problems of that movie: where it is supposed to be an ensemble film, but it's not.
  There's a lot of voiceover and messing with the timeline in this film. I get that since we are seeing the movie from Harley's perspective it's trying to get us into her mind which is fragmented and crazy. But all it does is take me out of the movie.
  Ultimately it's not a bad movie per se. It's certainly stylish. And better than some of the DCCU movies. But I'd say it's a rental. I get why some people love it, but it didn't impress me that much.

EDIT: Oh, and was it just me or did Mary Elizabeth Winstead in this look like Marzgurl?
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Re: What was the last movie you watched?
« Reply #19117 on: February 08, 2020, 07:10:38 PM »
EDIT: Oh, and was it just me or did Mary Elizabeth Winstead in this look like Marzgurl?
Definitely a little bit, yeah. MEW is hawt!!! Marzgurl is pretty hot too.


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Re: What was the last movie you watched?
« Reply #19118 on: February 09, 2020, 10:30:14 PM »
The Man With The Iron Fists ( 2012 ()
RZA from Wu Tang Clan ( the group, not the actual martial arts clan of legend ) has always been a strong advocate Asian of martial arts films, not just naming his group and group members after characters from martial arts films, but launching  Wu Tang Clan Presents, a collection of old school martial arts films.  ( unfortunately all the Wu Tang Clan could afford to release was mostly poor quality VHS sourced prints of supposedly public domain films. ) So RZA directing and starring in his own martial arts film should come at no surprise to anyone. With a cast that has you asking "Wait! What are these people doing in Quing Dynasty China?", that includes RZA, Russell Crowe, Lucy Liu, and the actor who plays Drax the Destroyer, who all share screen time with actors from the Hong Kong film industry. Yep, a lot of the film is devoted to explaining why some of the characters are living in China. For example, RZA is an emancipated slave who after accidentally killing a white racist, tries to escape America on a ship, which in turn wrecks on a beach in China, where Shaolin monks rescue RZA who was the only survivor.  After learning the ways of a Buddhist monk, he becomes a blacksmith. Meanwhile, no back stories were necessary for the Asian characters.  The only problem this film has is that it is all formula, to the point that it seems  like a parody of a Shaw Brothers film. Specifically on of Chang Cheh's costumed films.  Characters are never really developed, so you just don't care if the heroes win or lose. At least the action is above par.

Aquaman ( 2018 )
I liked this one a lot. There is little doubt that Justice League is meant to be a ripoff of The Avengers, and Wonder Woman started out as a ripoff Captain America ( in the sense that the MCU film directly prior to The Avengers was a flashback to a World War adventure, so even though Wonder Woman had already been introduced in Batman vs Superman, Warner Bros. decided they needed the film directly prior to Justice League to also be a flashback to a World War adventure. )  Warner Bros. tried to copy whatever formula they thought the MCU had. And as such, there is little doubt that their version of Aquaman was a ripoff of Thor. I mean, come on. This film even has two half brothers fighting for the throne! Fortunately, despite everything that was a deliberate lift from Marvel's Thor movie, the director was able to make this seem fresh and original, and even surprisingly emotional for a superhero film. Hey Warner Bros.! You want to copy the formula for the MCU? Well, here it is. The studio executives allowed the people from Marvel to be the creative force behind the films. If a bunch of studio executives dictated what the films would be like, only a third of the MCU films would exist, and they would mostly suck! I mean, something has to be wrong with the DCEU if only eight films were released in 7 years, two of which have villains as the lead, there is no sequel to Justice League in the pipeline, the Arrowverse is outpacing you, and you already have films lie Joker that take place outside the DCEU. Maybe it is time for you execs to stand back and allow DC to plot out and make the movies they want to make.

Anyway, I liked this movie. Too bad the sequel won't be around for another couple of years, provided Warner Bros. doesn't decide to reboot the whole DCEU should they not be 100% satisfied with the performance of the next Wonder Woman film.




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Re: What was the last movie you watched?
« Reply #19119 on: February 10, 2020, 04:06:49 PM »
Robin Hood

I don't know if I've ever watched this one in its entirety.  Its easy to know why I'm not sure: its very episodic and feels less like an adventure flick and more like a hangout movie.  The villains are fun and never feel like a genuine threat, there's no real central plot and what should be a big moment in the climax of the movie happens off camera.  Now the episodic nature does make sense: in the original myth, there was no one central Robin Hood tale, just a bunch of small ones (much in the same way the Jungle Book stories were).  But it really does feel sort of ramshackle.  It famously contains repurposed animation with a different skin from the Jungle Book and the animation (while still good and charming) feels a little rougher than productions of decades past.  These aren't bad things per se.  In fact, they give it a lot of charm.  It actually reminds me of The Emperor's New Groove: both come at the end of an animation era (Robin Hood was one of the last major films before the Renaissance and the Emperor's New Groove basically happened at the end of it), both feel a lot loosr than their predecessors and while both are not without emotion, there's much more focus in both on just being fun.

Robin Hood is also INCREDIBLY 70s.  Not in bad way.  In a delightful way.  I feel like here was an interest in the 70s in more rural and less urbanized locations which is represented in the sunny and joyful backgrounds. Sherewood was intended to be the American south in this version before the producer got cold feet remembering the Song of the South.  It instead is a weird mix of Americans and British that somehow works.  I mean, its a legend anyway (Alan-a-Dale mentions that this may or may not be how the story goes) that is popular around the English speaking world so why not have it be transatlantic?  The voice actors are clearly having fun (if they aren't, they are good actors) and while I don't think of the film as one of my favourite animated movies, it feels so easy to turn on and enjoy for the comfort food that it is.


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Re: What was the last movie you watched?
« Reply #19120 on: February 10, 2020, 06:07:33 PM »
Robin Hood

I don't know if I've ever watched this one in its entirety.  Its easy to know why I'm not sure: its very episodic and feels less like an adventure flick and more like a hangout movie.  The villains are fun and never feel like a genuine threat, there's no real central plot and what should be a big moment in the climax of the movie happens off camera.  Now the episodic nature does make sense: in the original myth, there was no one central Robin Hood tale, just a bunch of small ones (much in the same way the Jungle Book stories were).  But it really does feel sort of ramshackle.  It famously contains repurposed animation with a different skin from the Jungle Book and the animation (while still good and charming) feels a little rougher than productions of decades past.  These aren't bad things per se.  In fact, they give it a lot of charm.  It actually reminds me of The Emperor's New Groove: both come at the end of an animation era (Robin Hood was one of the last major films before the Renaissance and the Emperor's New Groove basically happened at the end of it), both feel a lot loosr than their predecessors and while both are not without emotion, there's much more focus in both on just being fun.

Robin Hood is also INCREDIBLY 70s.  Not in bad way.  In a delightful way.  I feel like here was an interest in the 70s in more rural and less urbanized locations which is represented in the sunny and joyful backgrounds. Sherewood was intended to be the American south in this version before the producer got cold feet remembering the Song of the South.  It instead is a weird mix of Americans and British that somehow works.  I mean, its a legend anyway (Alan-a-Dale mentions that this may or may not be how the story goes) that is popular around the English speaking world so why not have it be transatlantic?  The voice actors are clearly having fun (if they aren't, they are good actors) and while I don't think of the film as one of my favourite animated movies, it feels so easy to turn on and enjoy for the comfort food that it is.
Not so much American South as “intended to be a Western” at some point.  The casting kinda reflects that.  The Legacy Collection version even has a Country Western version of The Phony King of England, as well as a version of Oo De Lally that evokes train travel.
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Re: What was the last movie you watched?
« Reply #19121 on: February 11, 2020, 06:46:21 AM »
The voice actors are clearly having fun (if they aren't, they are good actors)


Peter Ustinov habitually sucking his thumb? You can totally hear how much fun he was having with that character. Haha.


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Re: What was the last movie you watched?
« Reply #19122 on: February 14, 2020, 06:14:39 PM »
Birds of Prey. That movie was amazing. First off: Harley's outfit is a million times better in this one, because she's not dressed as a sex doll. I saw a tweet about what was different in her appearance, and the main change is that she actually looks like she dressed herself and had a fuck ton of fun with it. She's not there to be sexy eye candy for the men in the audience. Secondly, this movie speaks to anyone who's been in abusive relationship. It's about Harley finding herself, making herself her own person outside of Joker's plaything, and it really hit home for me. Black Mask's repeated use of the word "own" in regards to people is a big part of this. He's a stand in for the Joker, and a much more interesting character than the played out Mister J. He is the kingpin, the man who runs everything, wants to run everything he doesn't run, wants to control and use people however he sees fit. Harley's final confrontation with him was like listening to my own shitty inner voices telling me all the things that I've had to get over about Paul and now Hana.

One of my favorite things about this movie is that it tells almost the same story as Captain Marvel, but it's a completely different film. Woman has been kept down by men her whole life, has to rise past that, and eventually conquer the men who have abused her. BOP even has some undertones of women fighting women before finally getting to a point where they're like "Wait, fuck this, you aren't my enemy." Every single one of the protagonists has something that they're trying to get away from. Harley, obviously is trying to get away from Joker. Black Canary, Huntress, and Montoya all have their own stories they go through, too, but I won't spoil any of them. And then there's Cassandra Cain. That kid comes from a shitty background, and looks like she's going to have an even shittier life. How they work on her story is amazing, how they conclude the film with her is great, and I can honestly say I've not been more impressed with a child actor in a long time.

The fight scenes are graphic, violent, but still manage to be fluid and entertaining. The final battle even pulls a gag where Harley suddenly switches into roller skates and Canary is like "When did she have time to switch shoes?!" It even calls attention to the fact that somehow, women in comic book flicks have always had weirdly amazing hair that somehow stays out of her eyes, when if you've had long hair, you know that it NEVER FUCKING DOES. Canary gets pissed about it and Harley just gives her a hair tie. It's perfect. No one flips anyone around with their crotch. Harley especially seems like she's enjoying herself and is in her element when beating the ever living fuck out of some goons.

And if that's not enough, straight cis white guys (generally) don't think it's that good. Amazing endorsement.


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Re: What was the last movie you watched?
« Reply #19123 on: February 15, 2020, 05:55:07 AM »
Turns out Space Jam is exactly as bad as I expected. You know in how some comedies there are non-jokes that feel like the writers will filling space to get to the real jokes. That's the entire movie. Even as a kid, this looks like an incredibly cynical exercise in marketing but somehow it is worse than you think, in that respect. So I guess slightly worse than I expected.

Another problem: everything else with the movie. Except Bill Murray. He's actually trying, which is more than this movie deserves.


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Re: What was the last movie you watched?
« Reply #19124 on: February 15, 2020, 06:12:39 AM »
Turns out Space Jam is exactly as bad as I expected. You know in how some comedies there are non-jokes that feel like the writers will filling space to get to the real jokes. That's the entire movie. Even as a kid, this looks like an incredibly cynical exercise in marketing but somehow it is worse than you think, in that respect. So I guess slightly worse than I expected.

Another problem: everything else with the movie. Except Bill Murray. He's actually trying, which is more than this movie deserves.
Space Jam being remembered fondly by some people now is soooo bizarre to me. It was terrible when it came out and it's terrible now.