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Offline JonnyFrag

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Actual honest question for Mike
« on: October 05, 2006, 05:35:20 PM »
I have a serious question to pose to Mike.
We all know the attitude of Joe Don Baker towards the gang from MST3K days and I was wondering if anyone has ever found out what Patrick Swazye thinks.
I can see how he might be a bit miffed, but come on...how many celebs have a holiday song of their very own? MST3K put him in the select company of Jesus, Santa, optically enchanced reindeer and Burl Ives! Not many can say that. I think it would be very interesting to find that out.

Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

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Re: Actual honest question for Mike
« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2006, 05:44:49 PM »
I do know that Kevin Smith wanted Patrick Swayze to do his own voice for the cartoon version of Swayze in Clerks: The Animated Series. Patrick was strongly against mocking himself, thus Gilbert Gottfried supplied the voice. 

"Nice horse.  What's its name?'

"I call him Point Break, like that movie I did."

Not only would I like to know that Patrick thinks, I would love to know what L. Ron Cruise thinks of all the Scientology cracks.  Especially after he had his hissy-fit over the priceless SP episode, "Trapped in the Closet."
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Re: Actual honest question for Mike
« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2006, 05:56:33 PM »
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Especially after he had his hissy-fit over the priceless SP episode, "Trapped in the Closet."

Did he??

I thought he just brushed it off??


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Re: Actual honest question for Mike
« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2006, 06:24:10 PM »
Wouldn't that be nasally enhanced Reindeer? :^)


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Re: Actual honest question for Mike
« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2006, 06:54:43 AM »
Well that kind of explains it. One gets the vibe that he's a bit self absorbed and without a sense of humor of himself.

Tom Cruise didn't brush off the Trapped in a Closet. He threatened Paramount to not promote MI3 because of it, thus it getting pulled that one time. Since they put it up for an Emmy and it got nominated, Comedy central told him to stick it pretty much, and, well, you see where Tom is now.

Heres the link to the ad in Variety that Comedy Central ran after the Emmny nod and the reshowing of the episode: http://www.tv.com/photos/viewer.html?type=21&ref_id=344&ref_type_id=101&expand=1&picnum=0



and yes, nasally enchanced reindeer is probably better. But only if played by David Duchovny.
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Re: Actual honest question for Mike
« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2006, 12:32:08 PM »
I'm wondering the same thing, but somehow I doubt whether Tom Cruise and Patrick Swayze are even aware that RiffTrax exists. MST3K was one thing, because it was a fairly well-known cult TV show that most people had at least heard of. But I don't know how far of a reach RiffTrax actually has in the media, especially since you have to pay for it.


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Re: Actual honest question for Mike
« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2006, 06:41:04 PM »
Well, I can't speak for Mr. Swayze, but while MST made frequent and repeated jokes at Joe Don's expense, mostly regarding his weight and general oiliness, Mike hasn't really been all that hard on Swayze. Sure, he made merciless fun of Roadhouse and Point Break, but the complaints regarding Swayze pertained mostly to his shirtlessness. Swayze would have to be very touchy to be offended by that, whereas you can't really blame Joe Don for being a little pissed.


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Re: Actual honest question for Mike
« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2006, 12:10:26 AM »
Well, I can't speak for Mr. Swayze, but while MST made frequent and repeated jokes at Joe Don's expense, mostly regarding his weight and general oiliness, Mike hasn't really been all that hard on Swayze. Sure, he made merciless fun of Roadhouse and Point Break, but the complaints regarding Swayze pertained mostly to his shirtlessness. Swayze would have to be very touchy to be offended by that, whereas you can't really blame Joe Don for being a little pissed.
Well, I can, but I also blame Joe Don for the death of Robert Altman, so I may be a bit off center. I think he made worse fun of Keanu than Swayze, really- half of the riffs on him were about his failure to act and how bad he was when he tried- but someone I get the feeling Reeves has a sense of humor.

Plus, he was really good in at least three movies (Bill and Ted, Scanner Darkly, and (imo) the Matrix, whereas I don't ever remember a Swayze performance I didn't think was stupid. Including Dirty Dancing and Ghost. Ghost was really, really awful.


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Re: Actual honest question for Mike
« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2006, 08:29:35 AM »
MST has a long history of offending people who take their "art" very seriously.

A good example is the director of "Soul Taker".

Here's the post from the IMDB from the director (supposedly).

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Yes, that's right. I'm Michael Rissi and I directed this picture. I was fresh out of USC film school and was brought on to direct SOULTAKER (originally titled THE KISS OF DEATH)after the first director was fired when I was 23 years old. The producers hired me based on my directorial success on a 20 minute thriller short which I directed at USC called SNAKE EYES (pre Brian De Palma Pic)which received quite a bit of acclaim, including a very favorable notice from VARIETY. A bit of trivia? It was my idea to change the title from K.O.D. to SOULTAKER. I also came up with the title OUT OF BODY, but that one was rejected. Well, making this movie was both an interesting experience and rather gut-wrenching, to be perfectly honest. I counted something like 3 or 4 catastrophies per day while we were making the movie - from raging thunderstorms with electrical blackouts to a picture car that WOULD NOT START (that's the one that crashes in the movie) to a guy who climbed up into a huge tree while we were shooting at the notorious "SummerFest" location who would not come down but instead yelled obscenities for hours to disrupt us until a fire engine crew showed up and tried in vain for several more hours to get him down and take him away. Whole days during the production were lost for reasons like this. It was truly crazy.

As you can imagine, I have read reviews of SOULTAKER with a mixture of curious interest, dread, outright hilarity and sometimes appreciation. You certainly take your jabs in this business whether you like it or not and though I was hardly more than a kid when I directed this thing, I realize some of the criticisms are valid. On the other hand, SOULTKER did legitimately win the BEST VIDEO of the YEAR award in 1991 from the famed ACADEMY OF SCIENCE FICTION FANTASY AND HORROR headed by the very well respected Dr. Donald Reed. I have a Saturn Award sitting on my mantel to prove it. So go figure. To backtrack a bit with y'all historically and to set the record straight, the SCI FI CHANNEL originally was very excited to "proudly present" SOULTAKER as one of its Planetary Premieres and did so by presenting it in its original form, UNCUT except for commercial breaks, for many years. Then, most apparently to capitalize further on having purchased the rights to the movie allowing them to do so, they really cut the heck out of it(almost a third of the movie) so that it honestly had no chance of making any sense whatsoever and "Re-Presented" it strictly for laughs on MST3K. Incidentally, I think MST3K is a very funny show and I have heartily enjoyed watching it myself over the years, so I was quite baffled and rather freaked out to tell you the truth when I found out they completely hacked up this movie, pretty much to shreds and then lambasted it. Poor Vivian Schilling was the subject of most of the show's most vicious and acerbic barbs and having worked with her I can tell you that running her down with a series of cheap shots really was an unfair thing to do. Okay, cheap shots will get cheap laughs. I know that. But I doubt anyone reading this would want someone to do it to them. I was indirectly attacked as well of course, but when you are behind the scenes, there's only so much people can say to attack you. Frankly, I think the cinematography and staging in the picture hold up fairly well, and practically everyone (apparently including the MST3K folks) knew I had only so much to work with, so they left me alone for the most part. But it's still kind of a bummer. Especially seeing your stuff hacked up. It's like being a green comedian, being handed some ordinary jokes, going out on stage and getting hit in the face with tomatoes while someone offstage turns the mic down during the punchlines. Weird. If I sound a tad defensive, guilty as charged, but hey, I mean, I WAS THERE.

Basically, my job as director on this picture, at least as I saw it, most especially throughout all of obstacles which seemed to plague it from the outset, was to FINISH it as best as I was humanly able, while simultaneously infusing it with as much mood, atmosphere and yes, bits of silly humor as I possibly could along the way. If you've seen SOULTAKER on MST3K, you may have gotten some good laughs, but you really haven't seen the movie. I would submit that if you cut up the Mona Lisa enough, even that would look pretty funny. Now, DON'T WRITE ME LETTERS. I'M NOT SUGGESTING YOU COMPARE SOULTAKER TO THE MONA LISA. God forbid. Nevertheless, people get into a mood to sling mud sometimes, and they just run with it. It's sorta fun.

Some of you might legitimately DISLIKE the picture, the original version I mean. Okay, fair enough. If you want to look for flaws on this one, I'm the first to admit you certainly will find them. However, if you kick back and settle into a certain kind of mood (especially at night) and allow yourself to fall into a semi-surreal, semi weird dream-like state, maybe you'll pick up on something extra we were trying to do with this movie, and always a little tongue in cheek, by the way.

If that doesn't do it for you, what can I say? My only advise in that event is to go out and rent THE SHINING. Now there's a horror film that requires you to place yourself in a semi-brain dead, semi-trancelike state. Let's be honest. Yes, in its own way it's a masterpiece. Yet, I'd like to see it cut up and roasted on MST3K because I know it would be hysterically funny. It just would be. Use a non-linear editing system at home on your own and do it yourself if you want. I'm not wrong about this. Only problem is, methinks SCI FI CHANNEL will never get the rights to make fun of THE SHINING. Hmm. Oh well, so maybe SOULTAKER and those of us who had anything to do with it will have to shoulder that dubious distinction alone. Could be worse. We could have used millions of dollars instead of hundreds and made something like "Battlefield Earth" or "Howard the Duck." Oops. ;-D


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Re: Actual honest question for Mike
« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2006, 08:34:33 AM »
MST has a long history of offending people who take their "art" very seriously.

A good example is the director of "Soul Taker".

Here's the post from the IMDB from the director (supposedly).

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SNIP
Some of you might legitimately DISLIKE the picture, the original version I mean. Okay, fair enough. If you want to look for flaws on this one, I'm the first to admit you certainly will find them. However, if you kick back and settle into a certain kind of mood (especially at night) and allow yourself to fall into a semi-surreal, semi weird dream-like state, maybe you'll pick up on something extra we were trying to do with this movie, and always a little tongue in cheek, by the way.
SNIP

Uh...  ok so the guy defends his movie by saying, essentially, if you watch my movie while partly asleep and or stoned, it is a GREAT movie!

ANY movie is better if you are half asleep or stoned...
Grapes? I hate grapes, I can't stand grapes. I loathe grapes. All kinds of grapes. I hate green grapes and I hate purple grapes. I hate grapes with seeds, I hate grapes without seeds. I hate them peeled and nonpeeled. I hate them in bunches, one at a time and in small groups of twos and threes.


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Re: Actual honest question for Mike
« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2006, 08:36:41 AM »
It's the only way to watch "The Wall" and "Fantasia"... and "Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants".


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Re: Actual honest question for Mike
« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2006, 08:59:41 AM »
I haven't seen the Soultaker episode, so I'm not going to directly defend the film, but I think the director's arguement is valid.  While I love MST3K, I don't think we can fully justify our opinions on some of the films that were presented on them because adding the bots and the jokes to the movie changes the movie completely.  Rifftrax is the same way.  Watching the film and watching the film with a rifftrax or with the bots is different experience and should probably by judged accordingly.  I'm not saying that movies like Manos or any of the Coleman Francis ouevre are going to be great without the help of the writers (I think we might all safely say they'd be the only reasons why we get through the film in the first place), but perhaps it's more accurate to say that the "MST3k version of .... was awful" rather than "... is an awful movie". 


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Re: Actual honest question for Mike
« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2006, 11:41:59 AM »
The movies on MST3K are of course not the intended way a director wants their movie to be seen. They are cut for time, content etc...

But this guy jumping to the defense of his film, and then going on about the awards etc...  he's just a pompus ass more likely.
It does indeed take a lot of work, sweat and tears to get a film made, and as an artist, you hope your item gets seen and is liked.
BUT one really should try to keep a sense of humor about things as well. Soultaker was actually a better movie than some done on MST3K, but it was still VERY riffworthy.

I mean how seriously can you take someone who uses Joe Estavez AND Robert D'Zar in their movie? It's not like this guy was trying to make the latter day Citizen Kane...or even a Citizen Toxie!

The dude's just being a tool.
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Re: Actual honest question for Mike
« Reply #13 on: December 11, 2006, 01:27:41 PM »
It's hard not to sympathize with the guy, especially because he seems to take it so well. But I really think he's giving the movie too much credit when he advises people to watch it in its uncut form. Having seen the MST3K episode, I seriously doubt it would make too much difference if you watched it uncut. No matter how much they took out, it doesn't change the fact that, number one, the STORY was bad. The basis for the story made for a boring view, because the audience had figured it all out long before any of the characters. If it had not been on MST3K, I would have turned it off.

You can only use the excuse of having a low budget so much. It doesn't cost any money to write a good script. I think the director is taking this movie a little too seriously. Honestly, in a filmmaker's career he will sometimes need to undertake projects that have no artistic merit and very little entertainment value, but he will have to do them for the money. The goal is to want to make better films once you've cashed your paycheck.


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Re: Actual honest question for Mike
« Reply #14 on: December 12, 2006, 12:48:11 AM »
MST has a long history of offending people who take their "art" very seriously.

A good example is the director of "Soul Taker".

Here's the post from the IMDB from the director (supposedly).

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SNIP
Some of you might legitimately DISLIKE the picture, the original version I mean. Okay, fair enough. If you want to look for flaws on this one, I'm the first to admit you certainly will find them. However, if you kick back and settle into a certain kind of mood (especially at night) and allow yourself to fall into a semi-surreal, semi weird dream-like state, maybe you'll pick up on something extra we were trying to do with this movie, and always a little tongue in cheek, by the way.
SNIP

Uh...  ok so the guy defends his movie by saying, essentially, if you watch my movie while partly asleep and or stoned, it is a GREAT movie!

ANY movie is better if you are half asleep or stoned...
There's a famous quote about Yellow Submarine to that effect.

Honestly, Soultaker wasn't bad because of a lack of tension or plot holes or anything, it was bad because the writing, plot, acting, and many of the editing choices sucked. Truncated or not, a lot of what was in shouldn't have been, and if this was the best sci-fi anything it must have been a weak field. It wasn't awful, it just felt like a mediocre movie of the week from the 70's and a self designed fluff piece vehicle from the lead actress, who evidently thinks she's a lot better looking than she is.