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Offline aneel

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Sequel Hell
« on: June 01, 2007, 09:05:42 PM »
It seems Hollywood isn't afraid to continue movie franchises indefinitely anymore.  I've read that they've already planned for Spiderman 4, Shrek 4, and more Batman movies.  Before I thought Disney and Sylvester Stallone were the only people who would milk franchises to such an extent, but apparently this practice has become more mainstream.

Frankly, though, it's disgraceful that Hollywood is sacrificing originality for quick, easy money, and I think Hollywood is really showing its weakness by turning to sequels.  Any half-way decent, innovative films that are made these days are quickly buried beneath Hollywood's overmarketed shit.  Just look at Children of Men.  It looked very good, but the film was quickly swept under the table and only saw a limited release.

What do you guys think of this?  Is Hollywood going downhill?


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Re: Sequel Hell
« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2007, 09:08:13 PM »
I'd rather see a good film than a bad film, sequel or not.


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Re: Sequel Hell
« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2007, 09:11:18 PM »
It's kinda true except for Batman.  Batman Begins was essentially starting all over again, you know, since it was good.  As long as Christopher Nolan keeps doing them, I fully trust that they will be good.
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Re: Sequel Hell
« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2007, 09:15:22 PM »
Sure, but doesn't more of the same movie get old quickly?  Look at Rocky: the first film was good, but the series just got progressively cheesier and more cliche.  It probably made the numbers at the box office, but the overall quality of the films declined.


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Re: Sequel Hell
« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2007, 10:04:58 PM »
There's a lot of films/film makers that make the same movie or very derivative movies anyway.
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Re: Sequel Hell
« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2007, 10:18:55 PM »
Then don't pay money to see sequels.  Find the closest independent theater and see some independent films, they are very rarely sequels.  You'll probably find a similar ratio of films you like vs films you don't, but at least they will be fresh.  Hollywood isn't going to listen to your written or verbal complaints.  The people in charge are in it for money and will keep doing what they are doing until their audience starts to spend more money at independent venues.   It's not that expensive to make a movie now days, so your dollar goes much farther toward making another film when spent at an independent theater.


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Re: Sequel Hell
« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2007, 03:53:30 AM »
It's not that expensive to make a movie now days.

While that's true, it's funny that studio executives don't believe that.  Terry Gilliam has said in the past that executives will either spend $10 million dollars on a movie or $80 million, with hardly any grey area in-between.  The former is a low-budget movie with no apparent financial risk, while the latter is the "tent-pole" movie made to make up for the lack of success of their other output. 

As for the initial argument, I believe that sequels are inevitable.  Studios really don't have much of a clue what will make money or not, so when a movie does well, the sequel is almost guaranteed to do the same. 


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Re: Sequel Hell
« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2007, 04:35:13 AM »
Sure, but doesn't more of the same movie get old quickly?  Look at Rocky: the first film was good, but the series just got progressively cheesier and more cliche.  It probably made the numbers at the box office, but the overall quality of the films declined.

Are you really saying that Rocky V is better than Rocky Balboa? I think most people would disagree with you there.

Also Casino Royale was better than a lot of previous bond movies. Spider-man 2 and X-men 2 were both better than the originals too.

Frankly, though, it's disgraceful that Hollywood is sacrificing originality for quick, easy money, and I think Hollywood is really showing its weakness by turning to sequels.

This isn't a new trend, I don't understand why people always say it is.  How many Frankenstein movies were there, how many Mummy, Werewolf and Dracula movies were there?  The Thin Man(1934) had 5 sequels. 

What makes you think that Original = Good anyway? It's not like they are no original movies, the ratio of 'original' movies to sequel movies released in the last 5 years would show that the number of sequels is actually tiny.  Now that DVD has opened up the market so much it's actually much easier to find little 'original' films than it's ever been before, just because they're not in the new releases section at Wal-Mart or doing amazing at the box-office doesn't mean they don't exist.

Anyway how many authors write a series of books featuring the same characters; JK Rowling, Stephen King, Arthur Conan Doyle, PG Woodhouse, etc.  In the end a good story is a good story, and if it happens to feature characters that we already know, like and want to learn more about, then what's wrong with that?


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Re: Sequel Hell
« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2007, 07:49:15 AM »
I'm simply trying to say that more of the same gets tiresome.  I agree, Casino Royale and Rocky Balboa were good movies, but they were still films made from the same formula: Casino Royale was yet another Bond flick with all of the trimmings, and Rocky Balboa was yet another Rocky flick in which the same events transpired (Rocky fights against the odds, loses the match but keeps his dignity).


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Re: Sequel Hell
« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2007, 08:04:24 AM »
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It seems Hollywood isn't afraid to continue movie franchises indefinitely anymore.  I've read that they've already planned for Spiderman 4, Shrek 4, and more Batman movies.  Before I thought Disney and Sylvester Stallone were the only people who would milk franchises to such an extent, but apparently this practice has become more mainstream.

The "Road" series (Road to Morocco, Zanzibar, Utopia, etc) 5 movies 1940-45
Charlie Chan - 20 movies 1931-44
Abbott and Costello- Approximately 8 films 1945-53
The Thin Man - 6 Films 1934-47
The Three Stooges - Innumerable shorts
Godzilla-  30 films, 1955 on


It's not a new phenomenon.


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Re: Sequel Hell
« Reply #10 on: June 02, 2007, 08:48:11 AM »
I'm simply trying to say that more of the same gets tiresome.  I agree, Casino Royale and Rocky Balboa were good movies, but they were still films made from the same formula.
Well if movies 6th or 20th in a series can be "good" then I don't see the problem.  Even if a movie is not a sequel it can still just be more-of-the-same

To show how few movies are actually sequels
The next 4 months according to imdb:

11 sequels
Day Watch    
Ocean's Thirteen
Hostel: Part II
Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer    
Evan Almighty
Die Hard 4.0    
Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix
The Bourne Ultimatum
Rush Hour 3
Mr. Bean's Holiday    
Resident Evil: Extinction

and 91 other films...
including:

The Game Plan: "As he pushes his team toward the NFL championships, superstar quarterback Joe Kingman (The Rock) discovers that he has a 7-year-old daughter from a previous relationship. Turning to his hard-nosed agent, the parentally challenged duo try to turn a serial bachelor into a responsible father."

War: "An FBI agent (Jason Statham) tries to settle the score with the infamous assassin (Jet Li) who killed his partner."

The Nanny Diaries: "A college student (Scarlett Johansson) goes to work as a nanny for a rich New York family. Ensconced in their home, she has to juggle their dysfunction, her studies, a new romance, and the spoiled brat in her charge."

Sunshine:"A team of eight astronauts is sent to re-ignite the dying sun."

While there are some really interesting looking "original" films coming out (Stardust, Shoot 'em up) these 4 at least don't seem anymore original than some of the films in the list of sequels and quite frankly I'd rather watch John McClane have another very bad day.


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Re: Sequel Hell
« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2007, 08:48:51 PM »
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The Game Plan: "As he pushes his team toward the NFL championships, superstar quarterback Joe Kingman (The Rock) discovers that he has a 7-year-old daughter from a previous relationship. Turning to his hard-nosed agent, the parentally challenged duo try to turn a serial bachelor into a responsible father."

a.k.a. Remember the Titans, Gridiron Gang (even starring the same actor!)

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War: "An FBI agent (Jason Statham) tries to settle the score with the infamous assassin (Jet Li) who killed his partner."

a.k.a. 150,000 other "you killed my partner" revenge flicks.

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The Nanny Diaries: "A college student (Scarlett Johansson) goes to work as a nanny for a rich New York family. Ensconced in their home, she has to juggle their dysfunction, her studies, a new romance, and the spoiled brat in her charge."

a.k.a. Mr. Nanny, The Pacifier, Adventures in Babysitting

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Sunshine:"A team of eight astronauts is sent to re-ignite the dying sun."

a.k.a. Deep Impact, Armageddon


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Also, from the first poster, I actually read somewhere that Dreamworks has already purchased the rights to do Shrek 4 and Shrek 5 - and Mikey (the Canadian one who thinks he can sound Scottish, not the one who makes fun of the other one) says they will continue to make them as long as people enjoy them.
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Re: Sequel Hell
« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2007, 04:06:42 AM »
I've read that they've already planned for Spiderman 4, Shrek 4, and more Batman movies.

They'd better figure out a way to properly bring back Venom for Spidey 4 since I've heard the villains will be Lizard and Carnage.
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Re: Sequel Hell
« Reply #13 on: June 07, 2007, 04:54:51 PM »
No, they'll just bastardize carnage's story just like they did with Venom.

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Re: Sequel Hell
« Reply #14 on: June 07, 2007, 04:59:47 PM »
No, they'll just bastardize carnage's story just like they did with Venom.

No kidding I was looking forward to seeing Spidey get the black costume from Secret War on the big screen