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Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
« Reply #90 on: July 02, 2019, 11:38:36 AM »
Clearly, I and the bulk of the forum have a definition of Villain that varies wildly.


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Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
« Reply #91 on: July 02, 2019, 01:26:37 PM »
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Bill Cipher

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Bill Cipher is the main villain of the TV series Gravity Falls.  An extremely ancient being hailing from a two-dimensional realm (that he more or less destroyed in order to break free of), Bill has been trying to break into our dimension for trillions of years.  To this end, Bill met a brilliant scientist named Stanford and used flattery to trick him into devising a way to break into reality via a small town known as Gravity Falls, a location that acts as a weirdness magnet.  Much later, Bill ended up going against 12 year old twins Dipper and Mabel Pine, Standford’s grand-nephew and niece, who were spending a summer vacation there.  Using trickery and bizarre supernatural powers, Bill attempted to manipulate people into allowing him freedom into our reality simply so he could play with it for fun.

Bill is immensely powerful when freed and is only limited to the strange weirdness barrier of Gravity Falls.  In his own dimension, he can still effect human minds, using “deals” to possess them, change or erase memories and enter people’s dreams.  On the surface, Bill often seems silly and weird but he is exceptionally wicked, willing to hurt others and even kill for fun.  His end goal is “Weirdmageddon”, to enter our realm and “have fun” which includes tormenting the people in reality and using his nigh-omnipotent power to play with reality until it is broken.

At the beginning of the series, Bill, while certainly not a good guy or trustworthy by any stretch, seems like he might simply be a mysterious trouble-maker.  However, as the show continues, it becomes clearly aware that he’s very evil and simply has no empathy or sympathy for anyone or anything.  Describing his home dimension as stifling, he seems to feel that anything less than pure chaos he can control is suffocating and that the only true freedom for his is unrestrained power.  In addition to his power, he is also extremely clever and not to be trifled with, often tricking people with his “deals” in order to get what he wants.  He’s basically a conman of apocalyptic proportions and once his foot is in the door, it is nearly impossible to get him out.

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Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
« Reply #92 on: July 02, 2019, 01:47:29 PM »
Dang, how did I forget about Hedy Lamarr


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Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
« Reply #93 on: July 02, 2019, 01:53:53 PM »
Dang, how did I forget about Hedy Lamarr

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Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
« Reply #94 on: July 02, 2019, 03:17:08 PM »
I don't get it. How does Bill Cipher rank higher than the likes of Hannibal Lecter, Lex Luthor, and Kilgrave?


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Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
« Reply #95 on: July 02, 2019, 03:38:48 PM »
It's not necessarily about who's the most evil. It's about our favorites. Lex is certainly an accomplished villain, for instance, but I've always found him a little bit bland (Except for the DCCU Lex, who is definitely NOT bland, but ehhh...)


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Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
« Reply #96 on: July 02, 2019, 03:44:22 PM »
I have slightly different criteria. Looking at my list again, I'm pretty sure all of the characters on my list can at least be called murderers and in a lot of cases genocidal maniacs.


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Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
« Reply #97 on: July 02, 2019, 07:15:19 PM »
I mean, Bill nearly destroy existance for kicks and turned the citizens of a town into a literal throne of human agony.  That's more evil than killing a few people.  But really, my criteria was "who is the most interesting/well constructed/fun to watch" rather than "who would beat who in a fight".  Sometimes the most interesting villains aren't the most "accomplished" but who paints a picture of what evil is or says something of our views of evil.  Or is just fun to watch.


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Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
« Reply #98 on: July 02, 2019, 07:17:11 PM »
In Russoguru's world, Phoenix Buchanan needed to torture and behead Paddington bear in order to be labeled a villain. But only after he sent the head to Paddington's family....

"What's in the box, what's in the boooox!"

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But seriously, villains are anyone who opposes the hero. They don't have to be murderous. They could be a thief, who frames the hero and has him sent to jail (like Buchanan). Or, as was the case with one of our picks, the great act of villainy was forcing a  guy to watch cheesy movies. (that, and maybe punching a gorilla)



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Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
« Reply #99 on: July 02, 2019, 11:58:39 PM »
Castor Troy is SO good...I should have thought of that.

In addition to the Transformer's vs GI Joe comics I'd recommend the 1982 Marvel comic book series GI JOE: A REAL AMERICAN HERO.  The first 50 issues are epic story telling.  Cobra Commander was really a used car salesman and the backstory between Stormshadow and Snake Eyes is really great.  Then again the reality of a Marvel comic book series from my youth is probably not as good as the memory.

Keep em coming Johnny this is a great list.


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Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
« Reply #100 on: July 03, 2019, 03:05:04 AM »
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Light Yagami

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Light Yagami is the main character and central villain of the manga series Death Note and its adaptations.  Light was a normal, if exceptionally bright, high school student until he found a strange notebook labeled Death Note.  Reading it, he learned that it was property of a shinigami (a sort of Japanese death spirit) and that writing people’s names in it would cause them to die.  Though he initially scoffs, upon testing it, he learns that it is capable of just that.  A week later, the owner of the notebook decides to see where it ended up only to find that Light has written many, many names of criminals.  Light believed that he was likely to die or be punished for using it and decided to fight as many names in before the other shoe dropped.  However, the shinigami, Ryuk, reveals there will be no punishment and that he simply dropped it to see what a human would do with it.  Emboldened, Light decides to continue punishing criminals and make a world where he is worshipped as God.

To the police, Light is known as Kira (as in “killer”) and proves to be very shrewd, to the point where L, the world’s greatest and most reclusive detective, is called in to catch him.  Though Light and Ryuk enjoy each other’s company, they are not friends so much as audience and performer, respectively, as Ryuk  just like to watch Light’s plans but will only assist (usually in small ways) if there is something in it for him.  Despite the fact that the power to kill people simply by writing their names would be the perfect crime, Light is extremely cautious and aware that there are ways to catch him and often comes up with clever ways to outthink his opponents.  He is later assisted by Misa Amane, a pop idol who worships Kira and is also incredibly clever, though Light is more interested in using her as a pawn than the romantic intentions she has.

Light is one of those characters who tends to acquire some unpleasant fans who miss the point that he’s the villain (sort of in the way people are a little TOO into Walter White).  He himself is an exceptionalist about himself, constantly murdering innocent law officers so he may continue killing criminals.  His motivation isn’t a hatred of crime so much as a presumption that he is better than everyone and he deserves to be the leader of the world.  We also find out that his delusions may simply stem from an access to power.  When he uses one of the rules of the Death Note to induce amnesia on himself, he becomes genuinely dedicated to helping L find Kira.  Light and Kira also have a strange relationship, with Light thinking of L as his only worthy opponent and L, despite suspecting him of being a criminal, seeming to desire him to be a friend.  Often, however, when Light comes close to failing, it is often underestimating his foe’s abilities.

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Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
« Reply #101 on: July 03, 2019, 09:04:14 AM »
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Frank Booth

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Frank Booth is the main villain in the film Blue Velvet.  A psychopathic gangster, Frank kidnaps the family of a lounge singer he is obsessed with, Dorothy Vallens, and forces her to become his sex slave in exchange for her family’s continued survival.  At one point, Dorothy is reluctant, which Frank reacts to by severing her husband’s ear which is found by college student Jeffrey Beaumont.  As Jeffrey investigates the ear, he becomes embroiled with Dorothy sexually and when Frank catches them together, he reacts by having Jeffrey and Dorothy brutally beaten and Dorothy’s husband murdered.

Frank is an incredibly aggressive madman who has two personas when engaging with Dorothy: “Daddy” who sadistically beats her and “Baby” who rapes her while begging to be gagged.  Frank also famously breaths in a mysterious drug through a tank that often causes him to change personalities.  Frank rarely hesitates to use violence and is often screaming obscenities in an unhinged manner.  Frank is allied with Suave Ben, the man who holds Dorothy’s family hostage and can make Frank cry with his rendition of “In Dreams” and The Yellow Man, an unnamed corrupt police detective who supplies Frank with drugs to sell via the evidence locker.

Dennis Hopper’s played a lot of villains but they don’t get scarier than this guy.  In the film’s of David Lynch, the scariest things are often incomplete pictures.  Most of the evil is unknowable in some capacity, such as the old people in Mulholland Drive or Bob from Twin Peaks.  But often they are supernatural in nature.  Frank is not but he truly does seem unknowable or at least only partially knowable.  We don’t know his drug of choice or whatever the deal is with his two personalities.  He’s wildly unpredictable and is constantly raving.  Blue Velvet is about a boy finding that his quiet suburban neighborhood and world has a secret Hell in it and meeting Frank is him finding how truly dangerous that world is when he steps away from the safety that he once knew.  Frank is that danger incarnate and while there are other villains, Frank is the true horror. 

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Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
« Reply #102 on: July 03, 2019, 01:26:26 PM »
Ah yes Light Yagami. There are few things worse than a serial killer with a God complex.


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Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
« Reply #103 on: July 03, 2019, 05:41:56 PM »
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The Master

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The Master is a recurring villain in the TV series Doctor Who.  Like the Doctor, the Master is a Time Lord, a member of a people who have Mastered time travel.  The Master prefers to use it, his strategic mind and his advanced technology to conquer and subjugate.  He was initially brought to the Doctor’s attention when he attempted to ally himself with the Autons to conquer the Earth.  Since then, The Doctor has had a strange relationship with the Master, hating the death and destruction he causes but also a respect for his keen mind (after his first appearance, the Doctor even relishes the idea of matching wits with him again).  The relationship with even more intense when the Doctor believes only he and the Master are the last of his people left.

The Master has his own TARDIS (a time ship with hypercube capabilities), as well as tools like the tissue decompression eliminator, which can shrink and kill its targets.  The Master also has hypnotic capabilities and some subtle psychic powers.  A keen strategist, the Master loves trying to outwit the Doctor and often sees his plots and plans like a game with the Doctor being one of his few worthy opponents.  The Master often collaborates with invading alien races as well, though his often works against him when the invaders almost invariably betray him.

The Master was originally played by Roger Delgado until his untimely death (which also resulted in the character’s planned send-off and the last Jon Pertwee story being changed).  After two guest replacements, Anthony Ainley replaced him for the rest of the original series run.  Strangely, Eric Roberts played him briefly in a TV movie, then it was John Simms for the new series.  The most recent incarnation is Michelle Gomez’s version, referred to as Missy (as in “short for mistress”).  The character is very much the Doctor’s Moriarty, matching him wit for wit and plot for plot.  His weakness, however, is the Doctor’s strength: The Doctor takes on companions he can trust while The Master tends to ally himself with the untrustworthy or people he can simply control, who tend to betray him.

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The enduring character of the Master, a renegade Time Lord, was created by producer Barry Letts and script editor Terrance Dicks shortly after they began working together in 1969. They were inspired by the Sherlock Holmes stories of Arthur Conan Doyle and felt the Doctor needed his own Moriarty. Letts always envisaged the character as being played by Roger Delgado, a British actor of Spanish ancestry who had already established a reputation for playing suave villains (and with whom Letts had worked when he had been an actor himself). Delgado made his debut in 1971 and became a popular member of the cast, appearing regularly until his death in a car accident in 1973. The character was briefly revived by Philip Hinchcliffe and Robert Holmes for the 1976 story "The Deadly Assassin" (played by Peter Pratt) but became a regular villain again throughout the 1980s (played by Anthony Ainley) when the series was produced by John Nathan-Turner. According to members of the cast, Ainley enjoyed the part so much he had no interest in playing anything else and would even answer the telephone in character as the Master.


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Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
« Reply #104 on: July 03, 2019, 06:03:24 PM »
Are you sure that's the right Master?