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Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
« Reply #75 on: June 28, 2019, 07:47:18 PM »
Holy shit! Palpatine only made it to number 28?! Okay, the way this list is going, literally anybody could be number 1. Well, anybody that hasn't already appeared on this list so far anyways.  :o


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Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
« Reply #76 on: June 29, 2019, 10:52:43 AM »
Holy shit! Palpatine only made it to number 28?! Okay, the way this list is going, literally anybody could be number 1. Well, anybody that hasn't already appeared on this list so far anyways.  :o

#1 is going to be Mike Nelson: Destroyer of Worlds


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Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
« Reply #77 on: June 29, 2019, 02:19:43 PM »
#1 is going to be Mike Nelson: Destroyer of Worlds
That is very, very possible.


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Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
« Reply #78 on: June 29, 2019, 02:23:52 PM »
My prediction is that we're going to see someone just a little further down that management chain somewhere near the top.


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Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
« Reply #79 on: June 30, 2019, 05:30:20 AM »
Holy shit! Palpatine only made it to number 28?!
I think the prequels hurt his credibility. His rise to the top seems less impressive when the Jedi are shown to be such clueless idiots in stopping him.



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Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
« Reply #80 on: July 01, 2019, 10:55:16 AM »
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Cobra Commander

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Cobra Commander is the leader and founder of the terrorist organization Cobra which plans to conquer the world.  Cobra Commander’s true name and past is unrevealed, (though there have been some wildly divergent origins in other media) making the villain a true man of mystery.  He is the enemy of America’s defense force known as GI Joe and his plans often are thwarted by them.  Cobra also deals heavily with MARS, an arms dealing organization run by the equally evil and be-masked Destro.  Cobra and his army are armed with the latest technology in weapons and vehicles, as well as some well-hidden secret lairs.

Cobra Commander is extremely unstable and speaks in a grandiose, self-important manner.  He also speaks with a his, causing him to stretch the s sounds in his words.  As mentioned, his origin is rarely consistent from project to project.  In GI Joe: The Movie, he is revealed to be a scientist from a pre-human civilization.  In the original comic books, he was driven mad by the death of his brother in the Vietnam War, declaring war on the government and big business.  In the film, he was exposed to nanites and got blowed up.  But his dangerous desire to take out the government remains.

Cobra Commander is basically your classic cartoon supervillain from his over the top speeches to his seemingly endless resources to his colourful henchmen and his ludicrous plans that involve giant snakes, rock and roll and a clone made of history’s greatest villains.  In the early cartoons he was a more serious threat, though as the show went on, the writers realized the character worked better when he was less “Adolf Hitler” and more “Yosemite Sam”.  BTW, this is also my excuse to recommend the comic book Transformers Vs. GI Joe.  I’m not the biggest fan of those two franchises and of comic books based on them by Tom Scioli and long time Transformers writer create a weird trippy comic that is both knowingly ridiculous but also surprisingly epic and gripping.



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Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
« Reply #81 on: July 01, 2019, 04:27:29 PM »
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John Doe

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John Doe is the name of the main villain in the film Se7en.  John Doe, real name unknown, is a serial killer who has been murdering people in fashions mimicking the seven deadly sins.  Though his past is largely unrevealed, things he say and write imply that while he may well have been mad before, the horror of living in isolation within the city (the movie never reveals which city) fuelled his pain and anger.  Seeming to come to an extremely nihilistic conclusion, Doe decided to murder people to “get people’s attention” to what he feels he’s discovered about the human animal, plotting extremely elaborate and cruel deaths for his victims.

John was eventually pursued by police officers David Mills and William Somerset, the latter of which is also struggling with the bleakness of the city and his job.  The deaths John devises include forcing a man to eat until his stomach ruptures, representing gluttony and taking a literal pound of flesh from a defense attorney, representing greed.  These eventually lead to what John feels is both his master stroke and a bizarre confession of his own sin in the film’s climax.

John’s plans seem to have taken a long time, including a man who he “killed” in the space of over a year.  His apartment is filled with books upon books of writings detailing his observations and increasing madness.  He’s also unidentifiable with signifiers such as fingerprints having been removed by himself.  John is a madman but his despair seems something that Somerset seems to understand, even if he can’t empathize or sympathize with him.  Somerset’s work in a city of despair and perpetual rain has similarly taken a toll on his soul, making him, rather than the somewhat naïve hotshot Mills (who is new in town), John Doe’s true opposite number: a man who can keep his soul in the face of an increasingly cruel universe.

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Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
« Reply #82 on: July 01, 2019, 06:00:28 PM »

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Castor Troy

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Castor Troy is the main villain of the film Face/Off.  Castor is a freelance terrorist who delights in causing mayhem and destruction.  He has an almost as evil brother named Pollux because I guess his parents were really into mythology and hated children and expressed this by naming them.  Anyway, Castor attempts to assassinate FBI Agent Sean Archer, only for him to survive and for Archer’s son to die instead.  This results in a vendetta by Sean which culminates in Castor’s capture seven years later.  However, Castor goes into a coma and Sean must trade faces with Castor in order to find out where Castor has hidden a bomb that could kill many people.  Sean goes undercover as Castor while Castor wakes up and goes undercover as Sean, resulting in a game of cat and mouse between the two.

Castor seems to have no guilt or feels the weight of any of the things he has done.  Troy also has a son he has had with the sister of a drug kingpin which he initially intended to put into foster case.  While disguised as Archer, Castor gets close to Sean’s family in a way he hasn’t done since the death of his son.  He strangely seems to enjoy spending time with them and he is also sexually attracted to his new “daughter”.

Castor is, lets face it, an excuse for both Nicolas Cage and John Travolta to chew ALL the scenery.  And keep in mind, both actors like to chew scenery.  Here, it’s like “here’s the buffet, boys, this is your last meal so enjoy.”  Both actors take relish in weird dialogue and the over-the-top silliness, it is a sort of joy to watch if you can stare directly into the madness.

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Nicolas Cage and John Travolta spent two weeks together before filming to learn how to play each other. They decided on specific gestures and vocal cadences for each character that could be mimicked.


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Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
« Reply #83 on: July 02, 2019, 03:34:03 AM »
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Hedley Lamarr

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Hedley Lamarr is the main villain of the film Blazing Saddles.  An attorney general, Lamarr learns that due to some quicksand, the railroad will be going through the small town of Rock Ridge, making the town worth millions.  Lamarr decides to hire some thugs to harass the Rock Ridge residents and scare them out of town.  When the Sheriff dies, Lamarr decides to trick the dim-witted Governor into giving the town a black sheriff, in the hopes that it will offend the townspeople, resulting in further turmoil Lamarr can take advantage of.  However, he doesn’t suspect the new Sheriff is wilier than expected and gains assistance from a legendary gunslinger.

Hedley, often confused with the actress Hedy Lamarr, is conniving, scheming and power hungry using criminals and lowlives to accomplish his goals.  Lamarr has Taggart as his muscle, who in turn employs the strong but dimwitted Mongo.  He also gains the assistance of singer Lili von Shtupp to seduce him, a plan which backfires when she falls for him.  Despite all the evil he does, Lamarr is the type to keep his literal hands clean, not interested in taking part in any acts of violence and leaving it to others.

Harvey Korman plays Hedley and as you might imagine keeps it broad and quippy.  I feel like there are three major forms of racism in the movie: stupid jerks, people who let it get in the way of saving themselves and Lamarr as an opportunist.  I don’t remember him having a specific view on black people but he is sure as Hell willing to use racist norms to profit and get his way, which really hasn’t changed too much, sadly enough.  And Korman has a lot of fun with the character and gets some great lines.

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Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
« Reply #84 on: July 02, 2019, 09:26:38 AM »
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Dean Vernon Wormer

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Dean Vernon Wormer is the main antagonist in the film Animal House.  As the Dean of Farber College, Wormer tries to run the school as he sees fit and his desire for order runs directly opposed to the wild debauchery and mischief of the fraternity known as Delta House.  After a particularly wild party where one of the students sleeps with Wormer’s wife, Wormer decides to put the frat under double secret probation, a little known rule in the school charter that allows him shut down the frat when their midterm results get in.

Dean Wormer has little respect for his students, even the brown-nosers he uses to push around frats like the Deltas.  He seems much more concerned with personal grudges and keeping up the appearance of Faber College rather than the actual values he can pass onto the next generation.  He hates the Deltas for fairly obvious reasons and is willing to manipulate and bend the rules to get what he wants.  Wormer’s end goal is mostly prestige and respect, but not so much a genuine kind, he just wants to look good in front of people like the town mayor.

The thing about Wormer is that the idea of ending the Delta frat because of all the shit they pull is not unreasonable.  However, he just tries to do it in the most dickish and insincere way possible, such as creating a “court” where the students are given no chance to defend themselves.  He doesn’t care about the damage that’s done by the Delta’s so much as how that reflects on him.  John Vernon portrayed Wormer in the original film and does a great job as a repellent man of authority who has little regard even for his most ardent assistants.

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Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
« Reply #85 on: July 02, 2019, 10:24:22 AM »
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Dean Vernon Wormer

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Then as of this moment, they're on double secret probation!

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Dean Vernon Wormer is the main antagonist in the film Animal House.  As the Dean of Farber College, Wormer tries to run the school as he sees fit and his desire for order runs directly opposed to the wild debauchery and mischief of the fraternity known as Delta House.  After a particularly wild party where one of the students sleeps with Wormer’s wife, Wormer decides to put the frat under double secret probation, a little known rule in the school charter that allows him shut down the frat when their midterm results get in.

Dean Wormer has little respect for his students, even the brown-nosers he uses to push around frats like the Deltas.  He seems much more concerned with personal grudges and keeping up the appearance of Faber College rather than the actual values he can pass onto the next generation.  He hates the Deltas for fairly obvious reasons and is willing to manipulate and bend the rules to get what he wants.  Wormer’s end goal is mostly prestige and respect, but not so much a genuine kind, he just wants to look good in front of people like the town mayor.

The thing about Wormer is that the idea of ending the Delta frat because of all the shit they pull is not unreasonable.  However, he just tries to do it in the most dickish and insincere way possible, such as creating a “court” where the students are given no chance to defend themselves.  He doesn’t care about the damage that’s done by the Delta’s so much as how that reflects on him.  John Vernon portrayed Wormer in the original film and does a great job as a repellent man of authority who has little regard even for his most ardent assistants.

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Jack Webb and Kim Novak were the original choices to play the roles of Dean and Mrs. Wormer.  Jack Webb turned down the role of Dean Wormer, feeling the movie would be bad for his image.

Did someone say Delta House?
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Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
« Reply #86 on: July 02, 2019, 10:35:13 AM »
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Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
« Reply #87 on: July 02, 2019, 10:42:37 AM »
He's up there with the Principle from Ferris Bueller when it comes to antagonists that are really just doing their job, but their job cramps the heroes' style, so they're villains.


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Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
« Reply #88 on: July 02, 2019, 10:44:30 AM »
He's up there with the Principle from Ferris Bueller when it comes to antagonists that are really just doing their job, but their job cramps the heroes style, so they're villains.
True, although in Wormer's case it's more that he likes the power from his office too much. Typical overpromoted guy.



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Re: List of Crap #117: Top 50 Villains 2: Freddy's Revenge
« Reply #89 on: July 02, 2019, 11:23:20 AM »

Did someone say Delta House?
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Wowsers, until now I did not realize Dead Ringer For Love was a rework of the theme song to this show! Good ol' Jim Steinman.

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