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Re: Trace Was A Better Crow, Deal With It
« Reply #30 on: May 04, 2007, 09:36:04 AM »
I wonder if there are any people out there who started watching during the Trace era that prefers Bill... I bet not.  And by the "Trace era", I don't mean 1 or 2 episodes either  :P

I really think it's all about what you learned to love first. At least that's my theory.

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Re: Trace Was A Better Crow, Deal With It
« Reply #31 on: May 04, 2007, 03:46:24 PM »
MST3K had more clever, insightful riffs when Trace was there. Trace's Crow was usually the one to say them, so I can only guess that he wrote them. Plus, the host segments were MUCH better with him there. And, there seemed to be more filtering out of lame riffs.  After watching all of the MST3K episodes multiple times, I have to vote for Trace as MVP of the show.

That really doesn't make much sense. Who came up with a riff in the writer's room had almost nothing to do with who eventually said it on the show. I agree that the host segments were better in the Comedy Central years, but riffs were more clever and insightful? It's not like the SciFi shows were 90 minutes of dick and fart jokes. I feel that the show only got sharper as time went on, as the writers and performers got more experienced.

When I say "clever and insightful riffs", I mean the amazing ones that you would never think of even after thousands of viewings. The ones that brilliantly exploit some subtlety that put you in awe of the performers. The ones that have you laughing ten times as hard as your average funny riff. There are only a few per episode max, and I contend that they were more frequent in the Trace years. Whether Trace wrote them or not, I have no way of knowing. I only know that Crow seemed to utter them most of the time, and that there seemed to be less of them after Trace left.

When the show initally moved to Sci-fi, it seemed to me that they were trying to fill in every moment of silence with a riff, whether it was funny or not. The host segments were also less funny. Whether the loss of Trace had anything to do with this, I don't know for sure. There just seems to be a lot of circumstantial evidence that he was the most positive influence on the show.

The Sci-fi episodes did improve continually throughout their run, though. And I think that season ten is one of the best seasons that they had (along with season six/seven).


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Re: Trace Was A Better Crow, Deal With It
« Reply #32 on: May 04, 2007, 06:01:48 PM »
I love Bill's work, but Trace was a better Crow, period.  Anyone who thinks otherwise is a poser who came late to the party, or is on crack.
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Re: Trace Was A Better Crow, Deal With It
« Reply #33 on: May 04, 2007, 08:11:24 PM »
Okay, this debate has gotten entirely too harsh. The hell?


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Re: Trace Was A Better Crow, Deal With It
« Reply #34 on: May 04, 2007, 09:02:30 PM »
I wasn't trying to be nasty - I was just being emphatic for effect.

(Although it is an absolute certainty that Trace was a better Crow, and the "late to the party" part is important)
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Re: Trace Was A Better Crow, Deal With It
« Reply #35 on: May 04, 2007, 09:09:15 PM »
I wasn't trying to be nasty - I was just being emphatic for effect.

(Although it is an absolute certainty that Trace was a better Crow, and the "late to the party" part is important)

I'd describe complete inflexibility towards a matter of opinion to be harsh.


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Re: Trace Was A Better Crow, Deal With It
« Reply #36 on: May 04, 2007, 09:41:48 PM »
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I'd describe complete inflexibility towards a matter of opinion to be harsh

are you absolutely sure of that opinion?  because the irony is just too amusing to me. 


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Re: Trace Was A Better Crow, Deal With It
« Reply #37 on: May 04, 2007, 10:24:22 PM »
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I'd describe complete inflexibility towards a matter of opinion to be harsh

are you absolutely sure of that opinion?  because the irony is just too amusing to me. 

Am I sure of my opinion? Shut up, Socrates.  ;D


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Re: Trace Was A Better Crow, Deal With It
« Reply #38 on: May 06, 2007, 12:32:39 AM »
lol nice :)

all i meant was that if your completely inflexible in your definition about what is harsh, then it is also by definition, harsh :) 


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Re: Trace Was A Better Crow, Deal With It
« Reply #39 on: May 06, 2007, 12:19:02 PM »
Oh snapple, a debate like that can only end in the consumption of migraine headache medicine!

As for the Bill/Trace thing...I just find Trace's voice too grating. It's a tad annoying at times and seems off with the rest of the voices...but hey, that's just me.
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Re: Trace Was A Better Crow, Deal With It
« Reply #40 on: May 06, 2007, 01:17:35 PM »
I'm supprised no one else has brought this up, so I guess it's up to me to be the voice of reason here.... (again)
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Re: Trace Was A Better Crow, Deal With It
« Reply #41 on: May 06, 2007, 01:22:49 PM »
I'm supprised no one else has brought this up, so I guess it's up to me to be the voice of reason here.... (again)
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Re: Trace Was A Better Crow, Deal With It
« Reply #42 on: May 06, 2007, 03:22:27 PM »
Who does everyone think was the best TV's Frank?


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Re: Trace Was A Better Crow, Deal With It
« Reply #43 on: May 06, 2007, 11:21:48 PM »
Torgo was.

There's no winning this.  Opinions are like belly-buttons, we all have them and there's none more correct than another.  I think Mike was better than Joel, Bill better than Trace and that the Manos episode was boredom crystallized.  It's just my opinion and is neither right nor wrong.
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Re: Trace Was A Better Crow, Deal With It
« Reply #44 on: May 06, 2007, 11:55:33 PM »
There's no winning this.  Opinions are like belly-buttons, we all have them and there's none more correct than another.

Unless it's an outie. Then you're wrong.

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I think Mike was better than Joel, Bill better than Trace and that the Manos episode was boredom crystallized.  It's just my opinion and is neither right nor wrong.

I agree, especially about Manos.