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Offline Nunyerbiz

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Re: Why this Bond?
« Reply #30 on: April 30, 2007, 11:01:11 AM »
Well, I'll offer an example from the flip side... I don't think that pointing out that an improbable James Bond stunt sequence is indeed improbable makes for a very good joke either.


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Re: Why this Bond?
« Reply #31 on: April 30, 2007, 11:04:15 AM »
But there were a lot of times in this movie and The Matrix where I kept saying "you're missing the point" when they'd make some quip or another.   I don't have those moments when they're Riffing bad movies.

That's because accurately reciting the actual meaning and intent behind a certain scene in a film you like  doesn't make for a good joke.
Perhaps you're right.  All I know is the complaints about:
1. The delay in getting to the Casino Royale
2. About there being Texas Hold 'Em in the movie
3. About there not being ENOUGH Texas Hold 'Em in the movie

Made me want to yell, "Drop it!"


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Re: Why this Bond?
« Reply #32 on: April 30, 2007, 11:06:58 AM »
Well, I'll offer an example from the flip side... I don't think that pointing out that an improbable James Bond stunt sequence is indeed improbable makes for a very good joke either.

It wouldn't be funny if they simply said "Wow, that's improbable," instead of making a Prince of Persia reference and whatnot.

The job of Rifftrax isn't to reflect the glory of films one may happen to like and to make occasional low-impact jokes. The place for that kind of thing is usually a forum dedicated to the movie in question where one can bask in the leetness of his favorite movies in a crowd of like-minded folk.



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Re: Why this Bond?
« Reply #33 on: April 30, 2007, 11:24:56 AM »
Oh... don't get me wrong... I loved the Prince of Persia reference... heck, I loved just about everything in the sample. Dropping a great reference like that is how I prefer they attack the obvious. It never strikes me as funny when they come right out and say "This is getting silly" when everybody watching the movie is well aware of that fact already. It's a Bond stunt sequence, telling me it probably couldn't happen in real life is redundant. Those are the situations that strike me as a bit "movie snobbish"...  When they seem less interested in the funny and more interested in taking the movie down a notch just because they can. Maybe I'm in the minority, but that's not why I watch Rifftrax. It's not a question of kissing the movies ass or playing nice or anything like that.


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Re: Why this Bond?
« Reply #34 on: April 30, 2007, 12:52:58 PM »
I agree with a lot of the points made here, but you guys have to keep in mind that they're trying to run a business here.  And picking Casino Royale was a good, sound business decision, plain and simple.

It's a movie that a lot of people enjoyed, and copies of it are flying off the shelves -- if largely because it's one of the only decent titles available to the early adopters who already shelled out for a Blu-Ray player.  It is, in fact, the first high def title to make an appearance in the Amazon DVD top sellers list.

As with any new business, one of RiffTrax's primary job is to bring in new customers.  And as much as the existing fans might prefer it, riffing Moonraker isn't going to do that.


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Re: Why this Bond?
« Reply #35 on: April 30, 2007, 04:14:20 PM »
I agree with a lot of the points made here, but you guys have to keep in mind that they're trying to run a business here.  And picking Casino Royale was a good, sound business decision, plain and simple.

It's a movie that a lot of people enjoyed, and copies of it are flying off the shelves -- if largely because it's one of the only decent titles available to the early adopters who already shelled out for a Blu-Ray player.  It is, in fact, the first high def title to make an appearance in the Amazon DVD top sellers list.

As with any new business, one of RiffTrax's primary job is to bring in new customers.  And as much as the existing fans might prefer it, riffing Moonraker isn't going to do that.

My opinion, they did do this to get new people, but I believe this rifftrax was just too soon, from theaters. I can laugh a the matrix now and LOTR, but this movie no. I wont buy this rifftrax at least for a good 6 months. I just cant, I loved the movie and cant make fun of it.........yet.
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Re: Why this Bond?
« Reply #36 on: April 30, 2007, 06:14:39 PM »
You know, I didn't really pick up a lack of respect for this movie in the Riffing. It seemed almost lovingly Riffed. Kinda like if 2 guys who love a good Bond movie sat down to watch it and let the Riffing commense. I like that spirit in my Rifftrax every now and then. :^)


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Re: Why this Bond?
« Reply #37 on: April 30, 2007, 08:46:20 PM »
I agree with a lot of the points made here, but you guys have to keep in mind that they're trying to run a business here.  And picking Casino Royale was a good, sound business decision, plain and simple.

It's a movie that a lot of people enjoyed, and copies of it are flying off the shelves -- if largely because it's one of the only decent titles available to the early adopters who already shelled out for a Blu-Ray player.  It is, in fact, the first high def title to make an appearance in the Amazon DVD top sellers list.

Which raises a question, do RiffTrax work with the HD/Blu-Ray versions of movies? I don't see why not, but then again, I don't really understand the difference between HD and Blu-Ray, either. And I don't really care. Just let me know when one format wins.


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Re: Why this Bond?
« Reply #38 on: April 30, 2007, 09:23:14 PM »
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You know, I didn't really pick up a lack of respect for this movie in the Riffing. It seemed almost lovingly Riffed. Kinda like if 2 guys who love a good Bond movie sat down to watch it and let the Riffing commense. I like that spirit in my Rifftrax every now and then. :^)

thats good to hear pak because im REALLY looking forward to watching this one with my bro when i get back


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Re: Why this Bond?
« Reply #39 on: April 30, 2007, 10:47:07 PM »
I agree with a lot of the points made here, but you guys have to keep in mind that they're trying to run a business here.  And picking Casino Royale was a good, sound business decision, plain and simple.

It's a movie that a lot of people enjoyed, and copies of it are flying off the shelves -- if largely because it's one of the only decent titles available to the early adopters who already shelled out for a Blu-Ray player.  It is, in fact, the first high def title to make an appearance in the Amazon DVD top sellers list.

Which raises a question, do RiffTrax work with the HD/Blu-Ray versions of movies? I don't see why not, but then again, I don't really understand the difference between HD and Blu-Ray, either. And I don't really care. Just let me know when one format wins.

Yep, in fact I think it was Pak-Man and Tyrant? are already using them, works the same as a DVD as far as rifftrax goes, just make sure it's the right cut, (stupid film with 4 unlabled cuts grrrrr)


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Re: Why this Bond?
« Reply #40 on: May 01, 2007, 02:51:01 AM »
As with any new business, one of RiffTrax's primary job is to bring in new customers.  And as much as the existing fans might prefer it, riffing Moonraker isn't going to do that.
Well what about Die Another Day? That was a recent DVD that a lot o people probably got. Not to mention the recently released James Bond Collection that was also on the top selling list at Amazon.com.

I'm all for the "bring in new customers" approach, but not at the expense of what RiffTrax is best known for:
To make fun of really bad movies!

This just looks and sounds out of style for Mike Nelson and Kevin Murphy. Watching a good movie while they pick at it as if it was a bad movie just makes me feel icky.


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Re: Why this Bond?
« Reply #41 on: May 01, 2007, 04:26:24 AM »
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I'm all for the "bring in new customers" approach, but not at the expense of what RiffTrax is best known for:
To make fun of really bad movies!

uh you should refer yourself to the FAQ in this forum, they make it pretty clear they ARENT known for anything of the kind.  they make fun of movies, no where do they mention the quality of said movie. 

sigh as much as i hate cliches

riftrax is not mst3k 2.0


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Re: Why this Bond?
« Reply #42 on: May 01, 2007, 04:39:05 AM »
As much as I also hate cliches, I'm going to say that for all intents and purposes.... Rifftrax IS mst3k v2.0. In the vast majority of the cases, it's the same guys (Mike and/or Kevin and/or Bill) doing primarily the same thing (providing a humourous, running commentary played over films). The similarities are at the core of the undertaking. All of the differences are basically superficial. Just because Metallica cut their hair, starting dressing like trendy martini bar rejects and tweaked their musical direction didn't change the fact that they were still a rock band making rock music.

That's not to say they should be limited to "bad" movies by any means... I could care less what movies they choose to do as long as it's funny. I can relate to what Jeyl is getting at, as I do get annoyed at times with their approach... but I never thought it was a "good movie vs bad movie" thing.


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Re: Why this Bond?
« Reply #43 on: May 01, 2007, 04:55:32 AM »
I think it's mst3k 2.0.  As I've said before a new version implies that something has been improved or upgraded.  This is the concept of mst3k expanded and upgraded.

Part of the upgrade is that they GET to do good movies too. I think they would have done better movies on mst3k if they could have.  They were always playing fast and loose with the "storyline" anyway.  I'm sure Mike and the Bots could have been allowed to watch the Matrix and somehow it would have still fit into the Mad's experiment if they could have actually played the Matrix.
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Re: Why this Bond?
« Reply #44 on: May 01, 2007, 04:59:58 AM »
ok im out voted lol

it IS mst3k 2.o

but its format is different is/was my point  as such you have to accept that they arent doing merely bad movies.  there is no criteria for a movie to get riffed other than mike thinks he can make it funny (or in the case of willy wonka, the guest riffing with mike thinks he can make it funny)