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Offline Jeyl

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Why this Bond?
« on: April 28, 2007, 10:26:04 AM »
Ever since I've seen Casino Royale I have had nothing but great respect for the new direction the series was taking. I saw the film five times in the theater and was able to grab the Aston Martin toy car at Best Buy before they all ran out.  :)

But this whole thing about Riffing it just seems to be, I don't know. Innapropriet

Sure this film has it's moments where you go "wtf?" at the amount of product placement that's involved, and how the stunt work is really pressing the believablility rating to an all time low. But look back at the other Bond films, especially the last Pierce Brosnan one called Die Another Day. That film was the worst of the franchise. And what about the Roger Moore ones? Some have such silly moments I can't help but think how you can't make a good riff track out of it.

I don't like to accept this film as a bad movie because I've seen every James Bond film and this ranks among the best I've ever seen. The only one that I thought was better is "The Living Daylights" and that had Joe Don Baker in it. :o


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Re: Why this Bond?
« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2007, 01:04:51 PM »
You do realize that Mike and Kevin don't just riff "bad" movies anymore, right? LOTR is a great example of this.

Maybe you should watch the movie with commentary before you jump to a conclusion? (You can read what others think about it in this same board).

EDIT: to answer your question, I think it was chosen because it is a better movie (sometimes they are easier to watch than ones that are really crappy) and also it's more widely available and accessible than the Moores and the Conneries. Would you really want to sit through Moonraker?

(Actually I would love it if they riffed on that one..)
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Re: Why this Bond?
« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2007, 01:35:17 PM »
EDIT: to answer your question, I think it was chosen because it is a better movie (sometimes they are easier to watch than ones that are really crappy) and also it's more widely available and accessible than the Moores and the Conneries. Would you really want to sit through Moonraker?

Am I the only one who thought this movie was horrible? (I do hate the bond franchise but I was willing to give this movie a chance what with the good reviews and all)  Even with the riffs I was falling asleep towards the middle. 1 hour of playing poker? come on!
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Re: Why this Bond?
« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2007, 01:56:26 PM »
Just about every film done so far for Rifftrax has at least one person who "kind of" likes it and many of them have a fair group that actually do like it.  For example, I personally think that Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory is a great movie with some imaginative design, great performances, and wonderful direction sprinkled with those creative touches that stick with one for a long time.  That doesn't mean that I didn't find the riffing hysterical, though.

Now if they wanted to do awful Bond, Die Another Day doesn't even touch the bulk of the Roger Moore era.  Moonraker would be my pick for the awful Bond movie to riff since besides being the worst film in the franchise features the most riffable henchman (Jaws) and a cheesy Star Wars battle.


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Re: Why this Bond?
« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2007, 04:58:35 PM »
Well, I guess I did get a little too sensitive on the subject.  I like the Lord of the Rings films and I thought the RiffTrax for it were great. I used to like the Star Wars prequels but after watching the RiffTrax for those I sort of see now why these films didn't work. I guess I'm afraid of hearing Mike and Kevin say things about Casino Royale that might make me hate the film instead of liking it, and I like the film a lot.


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Re: Why this Bond?
« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2007, 05:32:00 PM »
I've only seen the sample so far (I won't be able to download it until around Monday or so), but it was pretty funny.  Can't wait to see them point how how Bond can get knocked down about 30 floors of stairs and suffer no injuries whatsoever.


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Re: Why this Bond?
« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2007, 06:00:31 PM »
Well, I guess I did get a little too sensitive on the subject.  I like the Lord of the Rings films and I thought the RiffTrax for it were great. I used to like the Star Wars prequels but after watching the RiffTrax for those I sort of see now why these films didn't work. I guess I'm afraid of hearing Mike and Kevin say things about Casino Royale that might make me hate the film instead of liking it, and I like the film a lot.
If anything, I like the movie more now- I saw it in the theaters a few times, and skipped out after the airport scene on one of them, because it was almost all downhill after that (it was in a dollar theater, so I felt I'd got my money's worth.) Now the whole movie's worth watching.


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Re: Why this Bond?
« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2007, 06:19:12 PM »
Ever since I've seen Casino Royale I have had nothing but great respect for the new direction the series was taking. I saw the film five times in the theater and was able to grab the Aston Martin toy car at Best Buy before they all ran out.  :)

But this whole thing about Riffing it just seems to be, I don't know. Innapropriet

Sure this film has it's moments where you go "wtf?" at the amount of product placement that's involved, and how the stunt work is really pressing the believablility rating to an all time low. But look back at the other Bond films, especially the last Pierce Brosnan one called Die Another Day. That film was the worst of the franchise. And what about the Roger Moore ones? Some have such silly moments I can't help but think how you can't make a good riff track out of it.

I don't like to accept this film as a bad movie because I've seen every James Bond film and this ranks among the best I've ever seen. The only one that I thought was better is "The Living Daylights" and that had Joe Don Baker in it. :o

"The Living Daylights?"  Blasphemer!  How dare you quote such apocryphal Bond movies as those done by he who shall not be named.


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Re: Why this Bond?
« Reply #8 on: April 28, 2007, 07:27:21 PM »
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1 hour of playing poker?

is never enough NEVER!!!!!!  :angry:

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Just about every film done so far for Rifftrax has at least one person who "kind of" likes it

clearly you have not seen wicker man.

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I used to like the Star Wars prequels but after watching the RiffTrax for those I sort of see now why these films didn't work.

as much as i am gonna kick myself later for saying this, the fact they dont work is no reason for YOU not to enjoy them.  If you enjoy something it doesnt have to be good nessicarily.


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Re: Why this Bond?
« Reply #9 on: April 28, 2007, 08:04:00 PM »
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Just about every film done so far for Rifftrax has at least one person who "kind of" likes it

clearly you have not seen wicker man.
The new Wicker Man is a wonderfully watchable movie. Nick Cage makes the world's best awful movies.
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I used to like the Star Wars prequels but after watching the RiffTrax for those I sort of see now why these films didn't work.

as much as i am gonna kick myself later for saying this, the fact they dont work is no reason for YOU not to enjoy them.  If you enjoy something it doesnt have to be good nessicarily.
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Well, clearly I don't think movies have to be good to be enjoyable, but the problem with the prequels isn't that they don't work in some grand, overarching manner (although they certainly don't) but that they're cloyingly obnoxious, stupid, and boring at virtually every point. I swear the only reason anyone is capable of enjoying them is that we've got a Pavlovian lightsabers and Williams music reaction and start panting as soon as they combine.


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Re: Why this Bond?
« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2007, 08:04:37 PM »
I almost added an "except Wicker Man" there, but I figured someone would say something nice about the film and ruin the effect.

And no one should ever say anything nice about The Wicker Man.


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Re: Why this Bond?
« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2007, 08:05:57 PM »
Case in point.


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Re: Why this Bond?
« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2007, 08:09:42 PM »
I don't like to accept this film as a bad movie because I've seen every James Bond film and this ranks among the best I've ever seen. The only one that I thought was better is "The Living Daylights" and that had Joe Don Baker in it. :o

"The Living Daylights?"  Blasphemer!  How dare you quote such apocryphal Bond movies as those done by he who shall not be named.

I love The Living Daylights. Timothy Dalton certainly wasn't the best Bond, but the movie has more than enough going for it to carry him along for the ride. But at the other end of the sprectrum, Licence To Kill is by far the worst 007 movie.


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Re: Why this Bond?
« Reply #13 on: April 28, 2007, 08:10:20 PM »
I loved this Bond movie above all others, and I am Bond fan.  But, the riffing was really good.  It was funny, and it didn't really hurt my enjoyment of the film at all.
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Re: Why this Bond?
« Reply #14 on: April 29, 2007, 11:16:00 AM »
This one was okay, but I'm a fan of tracks featuring movies that are inarguably terrible, like Battlefield Earth or Troll 2. Occaisionally they'll do a movie that is not only a good movie in and of itself, but a pretty funny RiffTrax, like Willy Wonka or Star Trek VI. But sometimes they'll riff on a movie that was a critical and commercial success at the box office and that a huge number of people would agree was an excellent film. When they do films like this, the riffing doesn't have the same comedic effect that it has on the lesser movies. It sounds either ineffectual or, at times, pointlessly whiny and petulant.

I loved Casino Royale and particularly the new direction the Bond series has taken. While listening to this track, I felt Mike and Kevin at times sounded too whiny and impossible to please. I mean, they complained when there was no "Casino Royale" featured in the movie until halfway through, then they complained when there was too much card-playing, THEN they complained when the movie took breaks from the card game. It turns what could be a really funny RiffTrax into just two guys who will whine about anything they see in the movie.

I know it's not a perfect movie, but it's particularly good. I just wish they'd do more really awful movies; it's hard to be funny when mocking a movie with great production values that was met with overwhelming approval in the theaters. I don't know too many people who would say that Battlefield Earth was a great film undeserving of mockery. Ditto for Road House and Troll 2.
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