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Re: Season 11 Episode 6 Spoiler Thread
« Reply #15 on: April 21, 2017, 07:39:21 PM »
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Re: Season 11 Episode 6 Spoiler Thread
« Reply #16 on: April 21, 2017, 08:04:41 PM »
Was this movie originally filmed in German? The poster, which is flagrant plagarism of the original star wars poster, has German on it.

This movie is in its own league. Every aspect of it is so badly executed.


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Re: Season 11 Episode 6 Spoiler Thread
« Reply #17 on: April 21, 2017, 08:31:48 PM »
This movie reminds me of the line from the MST3K Deathstalker episode: "This is one of the most ambitiously bad movies we have ever done."



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Re: Season 11 Episode 6 Spoiler Thread
« Reply #18 on: April 21, 2017, 08:53:19 PM »
Was this movie originally filmed in German? The poster, which is flagrant plagarism of the original star wars poster, has German on it.

It was made by an Italian production company, filmed in Italy, only languages listed for it are English and Italian.


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Re: Season 11 Episode 6 Spoiler Thread
« Reply #19 on: April 21, 2017, 09:45:19 PM »
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The lead girl is still doing movies. Really low budget ones.

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Re: Season 11 Episode 6 Spoiler Thread
« Reply #20 on: April 22, 2017, 05:14:42 PM »
Shouldn't this have been the movie to bring in Mark Hamill?

Didn't think of it, but you are right, now that you mention it, it seems such an obvious pairing, particularly if the connection wouldn't even have been hinted at in the interactions on the show.


It was made by an Italian production company, filmed in Italy, only languages listed for it are English and Italian.

And yet, from all appearances in close-ups, despite it being filmed in English, it is still badly dubbed! ;D  [Odd no comments to that effect.  It was actually distracting to me to see that.]  It looked like every single line had to be re-done in ADR, despite it being filmed in English.  Must have been the massive amounts of background noise from all the squeaky vinyl clothing that they had to eliminate. ;D
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Re: Season 11 Episode 6 Spoiler Thread
« Reply #21 on: April 22, 2017, 07:51:03 PM »
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They're carbonating the movie!

Are we far enough in the future we can make bill cosby jokes again?

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Re: Season 11 Episode 6 Spoiler Thread
« Reply #22 on: April 22, 2017, 07:51:59 PM »
Oh if I had known this had Hasselhoff in it I would have got here quicker.
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Re: Season 11 Episode 6 Spoiler Thread
« Reply #23 on: April 22, 2017, 08:26:32 PM »
It was made by an Italian production company, filmed in Italy, only languages listed for it are English and Italian.

And yet, from all appearances in close-ups, despite it being filmed in English, it is still badly dubbed! ;D  [Odd no comments to that effect.  It was actually distracting to me to see that.]  It looked like every single line had to be re-done in ADR, despite it being filmed in English.  Must have been the massive amounts of background noise from all the squeaky vinyl clothing that they had to eliminate. ;D

This is very common even in good Italian cinema of that era and earlier. They just didn't care about recording decent sound on set and would do pretty much all of the audio in post. The slight desync wouldn't bother Italian audiences cause that's what they were used to watching.


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Re: Season 11 Episode 6 Spoiler Thread
« Reply #24 on: April 22, 2017, 09:01:03 PM »
It was made by an Italian production company, filmed in Italy, only languages listed for it are English and Italian.

And yet, from all appearances in close-ups, despite it being filmed in English, it is still badly dubbed! ;D  [Odd no comments to that effect.  It was actually distracting to me to see that.]  It looked like every single line had to be re-done in ADR, despite it being filmed in English.  Must have been the massive amounts of background noise from all the squeaky vinyl clothing that they had to eliminate. ;D

This is very common even in good Italian cinema of that era and earlier. They just didn't care about recording decent sound on set and would do pretty much all of the audio in post. The slight desync wouldn't bother Italian audiences cause that's what they were used to watching.

Thanks, VoC, I wasn't aware of that before.
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Re: Season 11 Episode 6 Spoiler Thread
« Reply #25 on: April 22, 2017, 09:06:17 PM »
It was made by an Italian production company, filmed in Italy, only languages listed for it are English and Italian.

And yet, from all appearances in close-ups, despite it being filmed in English, it is still badly dubbed! ;D  [Odd no comments to that effect.  It was actually distracting to me to see that.]  It looked like every single line had to be re-done in ADR, despite it being filmed in English.  Must have been the massive amounts of background noise from all the squeaky vinyl clothing that they had to eliminate. ;D

This is very common even in good Italian cinema of that era and earlier. They just didn't care about recording decent sound on set and would do pretty much all of the audio in post. The slight desync wouldn't bother Italian audiences cause that's what they were used to watching.

Thanks, VoC, I wasn't aware of that before.

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Re: Season 11 Episode 6 Spoiler Thread
« Reply #26 on: April 23, 2017, 07:15:56 PM »
I thought this one was really solid. Good riffing throughout.


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Re: Season 11 Episode 6 Spoiler Thread
« Reply #27 on: April 23, 2017, 07:59:17 PM »
It was made by an Italian production company, filmed in Italy, only languages listed for it are English and Italian.

And yet, from all appearances in close-ups, despite it being filmed in English, it is still badly dubbed! ;D  [Odd no comments to that effect.  It was actually distracting to me to see that.]  It looked like every single line had to be re-done in ADR, despite it being filmed in English.  Must have been the massive amounts of background noise from all the squeaky vinyl clothing that they had to eliminate. ;D
This is very common even in good Italian cinema of that era and earlier. They just didn't care about recording decent sound on set and would do pretty much all of the audio in post. The slight desync wouldn't bother Italian audiences cause that's what they were used to watching.

Thanks, VoC, I wasn't aware of that before.

Reportedly, this very thing became a source of tension on the movie "Duck, You Sucker."  Rod Steiger apparently demanded that his scenes be filmed with as much natural ambience as possible, as the Italian crew freaked out because they simply weren't used to filming with sound at all, expecting to do it later.  Odd how such a small thing can be such a cultural clash.
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Re: Season 11 Episode 6 Spoiler Thread
« Reply #28 on: April 24, 2017, 05:27:48 PM »
StarCrash was an Italian film produced to be shown in the United States with English speaking actors. Like most Italian films, sound was not recorded and the actors were required to dub their voices onto the soundtrack. However, there were two exceptions. British actress Caroline Munro, who played lead character Stella Star, for some reason was  never asked to show up at the ADR studio. Instead, Marjoe Gortner's wife, actress Candy  Clark, dubbed Stella Star's voice.  The other exception was actor Christopher Plummer, who only worked one day on the movie as all his scenes were shot in a single day. The director was so thrilled to have an actor of Plummers caliber in one of his movies that he ordered sound recording equipment and had Plummers part recorded in sound.  ( Another reason this was done was that Plummer was being paid for one day of work, and would not have returned for a ADR session. )

As much as you think recording without sound is either unusual or cheap, it was the norm all over the globe up until the 90s, even here in the United States among independent producers who could not afford sound. When the movie industry changed from silent to sound, each studio had to make the choice of recording sound on the set, or dubbing the voices in post. Recording sound on set was initially very problematic ( where to hide the microphones? ), very expensive, and required the building of expensive sound stages to prevent outside noise from getting on the soundtrack.  Hollywood could afford it.

Also to take into consideration, Hollywood made English language films, which cold be shown everywhere in the United States, in Canada, in England, in Ireland, in Scotland, in Australia and in India. An Italian film would be shot in Italian, and could only be shown in Italy. Outside of Italy it would need to be dubbed in a different language. Not much incentive to sound record an Italian film if it is only going to be shown without dubbing  in a country that is half the size of Texas. Not only were most Italian productions shot without sound, so were many French, German, Bollywood and Chinese films.  Also, take into consideration that most films shot in Hollywood need to do ADR in post because quite often the sound comes out unintelligible, or some sort of noise masks the dialog. And any songs sung in musicals are recorded separately in another studio, and lipsynced on set.

BTW, Starcrash is the first and only MST3K movie I have ever seen in a theater when it was originally released. ( A double feature with Moonraker )




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Re: Season 11 Episode 6 Spoiler Thread
« Reply #29 on: April 24, 2017, 08:59:18 PM »
StarCrash was an Italian film produced to be shown in the United States with English speaking actors. Like most Italian films, sound was not recorded and the actors were required to dub their voices onto the soundtrack. However, there were two exceptions. British actress Caroline Munro, who played lead character Stella Star, for some reason was  never asked to show up at the ADR studio. Instead, Marjoe Gortner's wife, actress Candy  Clark, dubbed Stella Star's voice.  The other exception was actor Christopher Plummer, who only worked one day on the movie as all his scenes were shot in a single day. The director was so thrilled to have an actor of Plummers caliber in one of his movies that he ordered sound recording equipment and had Plummers part recorded in sound.  ( Another reason this was done was that Plummer was being paid for one day of work, and would not have returned for a ADR session. )

As much as you think recording without sound is either unusual or cheap, it was the norm all over the globe up until the 90s, even here in the United States among independent producers who could not afford sound. When the movie industry changed from silent to sound, each studio had to make the choice of recording sound on the set, or dubbing the voices in post. Recording sound on set was initially very problematic ( where to hide the microphones? ), very expensive, and required the building of expensive sound stages to prevent outside noise from getting on the soundtrack.  Hollywood could afford it.

Also to take into consideration, Hollywood made English language films, which cold be shown everywhere in the United States, in Canada, in England, in Ireland, in Scotland, in Australia and in India. An Italian film would be shot in Italian, and could only be shown in Italy. Outside of Italy it would need to be dubbed in a different language. Not much incentive to sound record an Italian film if it is only going to be shown without dubbing  in a country that is half the size of Texas. Not only were most Italian productions shot without sound, so were many French, German, Bollywood and Chinese films.  Also, take into consideration that most films shot in Hollywood need to do ADR in post because quite often the sound comes out unintelligible, or some sort of noise masks the dialog. And any songs sung in musicals are recorded separately in another studio, and lipsynced on set.

BTW, Starcrash is the first and only MST3K movie I have ever seen in a theater when it was originally released. ( A double feature with Moonraker )

All good points.  I'll add in a couple more.  Recording sound makes shooting take longer because you have to do more takes if the sound was bad, which it often is.  And on a film set it's painfully clear that time is money.  Cameras also have to be baffled, which was difficult in the early days when cameras were bigger and noisier.  Some directors also liked to shout directions to their actors during a take, which is a big no-no if you're recording sound.