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I suspect what might be coming in the Christmas special and the possible problems surrounding 12 is some variation of what we found in Lungbarrow which will drag in something from The Brain of Morbius.

One possible in-universe problem for Susan and Romana briefly appearing as emanations of the moment: It might not be able to represent itself as a Timelord.
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It might be that they used Rose as the Moment because she's from the Doctor's future, not his past.  The Doctor would remember a companion that he traveled with, unless he hadn't done so yet.  I don't know what that is meant to imply though. 

Billie Piper was popular in the late 90s because she was the British Britney Spears, who ditched it all and became a pretty decent actress.  She also seems quite nice in person, I guess.


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It might be that they used Rose as the Moment because she's from the Doctor's future, not his past.  The Doctor would remember a companion that he traveled with, unless he hadn't done so yet.  I don't know what that is meant to imply though. 

Yeah, having it be someone from his past would have meant he'd recognize them right away, and I liked how he had to figure out who she was.


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Christopher Eccleston's absence in the special makes me wonder just what DID go down between him and the older production team. Was it really that much of an ugly fall-out? This is all we have to go on from Eccleston himself:

“I left because of politics. I did not see eye to eye with them. I didn’t agree with the way things were being run. I didn’t like the culture that had grown up around the series. So I left, I felt, over a principle.”

Before anyone lectures me about being an ungrateful little whelp, I just want to say I get it: If Eccleston didn't want to come back, nobody could make him. But his refusal to participate is still odd, considering the people who he initially disliked were long gone from the program. I think this will likely become the equivalent of Tom Baker's absence from THE FIVE DOCTORS; a decision which will be an ongoing source of disappointment and regret among Whovians for a long time. Sorry, Chris, we just can't help it.

When Eccleston mentions "the culture that had grown up around in the series," that could be an indirect slam on the fandom itself. I won't deny DOCTOR WHO has its share of rotten apples, but so does almost every other major science fiction franchise in existence. Maybe, in the end, it just wasn't "his scene".  :-\


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When Eccleston mentions "the culture that had grown up around in the series," that could be an indirect slam on the fandom itself. I won't deny DOCTOR WHO has its share of rotten apples, but so does almost every other major science fiction franchise in existence. Maybe, in the end, it just wasn't "his scene".  :-\

You pretty much have to assume that statement is referring to the fan base.  The reboot of the show was only one season old when he left, not much time for an internal culture to develop.  And his refusal to do any little thing associated with the show says it is way more than just a disagreement with the way the show was being run at the time.  I've been watching those "Revisited" shows and his is very strange since they just put up still photos of him.

I could be he thought since it was a reboot there would be no rules, and then he found out they were still treating it as a continuation of the old shows.  But that would be a reason to leave, not a reason to shun all aspects of the show forever...


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Or maybe he's just a dick.  Who knows?


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I think that's much more likely.


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Ha, yeah, that's probably the case.  Or he's really out of touch, living in a bubble.  If you're the kind of actor that really, really, doesn't want to be remembered for one part, or "put in a box", why would you ever accept the role of the Doctor?


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I really don't blame him for not wanting to come back for probably just a mere second on screen after regeneration....... not really worth the effort.

Unfortunately, he doesn't seem to have the same mind set as 5, 6, and 7 do... doing it "for the fans" like in the Five(ish) Doctors Reboot.
...and there he was, reigning supreme at number two.  The One... The Only... The Unabeefer.



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I really don't blame him for not wanting to come back for probably just a mere second on screen after regeneration....... not really worth the effort.

It's widely believed that John Hurt's Doctor acted as a substitute for Eccleston's after he gave Steven Moffat a polite but firm "no".

Not that I'm slamming Hurt, of course, but for the 50th special to spend so much screen-time on a Doctor we haven't even seen in all the fifty years prior is still a little head-scratching.


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I really don't blame him for not wanting to come back for probably just a mere second on screen after regeneration....... not really worth the effort.

It's widely believed that John Hurt's Doctor acted as a substitute for Eccleston's after he gave Steven Moffat a polite but firm "no".

Not that I'm slamming Hurt, of course, but for the 50th special to spend so much screen-time on a Doctor we haven't even seen in all the fifty years prior is still a little head-scratching.

That theory is a load of bull. Fan speculation based on nothing but wishes.

It wouldn't make sense, as I've said before, because we start the 2005 series RIGHT AFTER he regenerates INTO Eccleston. When before that would he have time to be the War Doctor?!?!?!  Up until Hurt, it was always just assumed that it was McGann who fought the time war and destroyed Gallifrey, and if ANYTHING, it would have been HIM instead of Hurt.... There would be no plausible or really possible way that Eccleston's Doctor could have even been an option for that story.
...and there he was, reigning supreme at number two.  The One... The Only... The Unabeefer.



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I really don't blame him for not wanting to come back for probably just a mere second on screen after regeneration....... not really worth the effort.

It's widely believed that John Hurt's Doctor acted as a substitute for Eccleston's after he gave Steven Moffat a polite but firm "no".

Not that I'm slamming Hurt, of course, but for the 50th special to spend so much screen-time on a Doctor we haven't even seen in all the fifty years prior is still a little head-scratching.

That theory is a load of bull. Fan speculation based on nothing but wishes.

It wouldn't make sense, as I've said before, because we start the 2005 series RIGHT AFTER he regenerates INTO Eccleston. When before that would he have time to be the War Doctor?!?!?!  Up until Hurt, it was always just assumed that it was McGann who fought the time war and destroyed Gallifrey, and if ANYTHING, it would have been HIM instead of Hurt.... There would be no plausible or really possible way that Eccleston's Doctor could have even been an option for that story.

Yes, and it's not like McGann had any problems coming back.  I'm sure he would have been happy to play the war doctor.  He did the "Revisited" special and other stuff, including the teaser video released on YouTube where he crashes and gets regenerated into the war Doctor.  So this "extra" Doctor seems to be an idea Moffat has had for a long time.


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I really don't blame him for not wanting to come back for probably just a mere second on screen after regeneration....... not really worth the effort.

It's widely believed that John Hurt's Doctor acted as a substitute for Eccleston's after he gave Steven Moffat a polite but firm "no".

Not that I'm slamming Hurt, of course, but for the 50th special to spend so much screen-time on a Doctor we haven't even seen in all the fifty years prior is still a little head-scratching.

That theory is a load of bull. Fan speculation based on nothing but wishes.

It wouldn't make sense, as I've said before, because we start the 2005 series RIGHT AFTER he regenerates INTO Eccleston. When before that would he have time to be the War Doctor?!?!?!  Up until Hurt, it was always just assumed that it was McGann who fought the time war and destroyed Gallifrey, and if ANYTHING, it would have been HIM instead of Hurt.... There would be no plausible or really possible way that Eccleston's Doctor could have even been an option for that story.

Yes, and it's not like McGann had any problems coming back.  I'm sure he would have been happy to play the war doctor.  He did the "Revisited" special and other stuff, including the teaser video released on YouTube where he crashes and gets regenerated into the war Doctor.  So this "extra" Doctor seems to be an idea Moffat has had for a long time.

Personally, I like it.... because it lifts the weight of being the "bad doctor" off McGann, and definitely doesn't shoulder that action onto Eccleston, who only bears the PTSD as before, only now WE know he never actually did it so we feel better about the Doctor's ability to do the right thing in the end.
...and there he was, reigning supreme at number two.  The One... The Only... The Unabeefer.



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Wow.

http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/11/26/doctor-who-box-office/

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A special nationwide 3D screening of the Doctor Who 50th anniversary TV special “Day of the Doctor” grossed a stunning $4.8 million at the U.S. box office.

What makes this particularly impressive: That’s from one night. The 75-minute “Day of the Doctor” screened in 660 theaters as a one-night-only special event Monday and averaged $7,155 per location, with 320,000 tickets sold. Granted, the tix were $15 a pop, so that certainly helped.


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Sigh...well, I guess this just goes to show I'm no businessman.