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Re: Penn and Teller: BS!
« Reply #165 on: March 26, 2007, 05:33:50 PM »
I've never been a horror fan personally, most just aren't psychological enough for me.  Even the critically acclaimed ones feel empty to my interests.


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Re: Penn and Teller: BS!
« Reply #166 on: March 26, 2007, 09:19:12 PM »
imo, one of the BEST classic monster flicks is the origianl Lon Cheney version of PHANTOM OF THE OPERA.

I suppose there's a satisfying amount of psychological depth in that character...

"THE MUMMY" with Karloff is also quite wonderful in terms of psychological horror.
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Re: Penn and Teller: BS!
« Reply #167 on: March 26, 2007, 09:48:02 PM »
man you got to love these boards, i know i do.  someone who is more educated than me should use them as a study of conversation.   We went from penn and teller to the bible to relativism back to the bible to horror movies.  i love it. 

as to classical horror botom line for me is either nosferatu or the cabinent of dr caligari.


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Re: Penn and Teller: BS!
« Reply #168 on: March 26, 2007, 09:55:43 PM »
Seconds on "Mere Christianity." Tis a fantastic read. And Screwtape Letters is of course a standard for uplifting the spirit!

I also second Nosferatu --- ashamed to say I forgot all about the pointy-eared bugger!

I have a question posed in the Zack Snyder thread about why shooting a zombie in the head matters in movies... I mean, logically it shouldn't.... right? I mean... .RIGHT?? The zombie isn't really /relying/ on the brain for anything is it? =

They should have classes in zombie mythology -- a few people form this board would have honorary PhDs by now...
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Re: Penn and Teller: BS!
« Reply #169 on: March 26, 2007, 10:02:03 PM »
I was just outside collecting my recyclables and just enjoying a brisk spring evening and I looked up and saw a bright Half Moon, (Mezzaluna, an excellent italian vodka, btw!), and a few stars were hanging from a glowing, indigo sky and the breeze was sweet and the trees were sighing... I just said, "Thank you!".  That's all the religion you should ever need.

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Re: Penn and Teller: BS!
« Reply #170 on: March 26, 2007, 10:04:37 PM »
your post makes me think of a book series i like (and since we have no concrete topics here) The book series the (blank) and philosophy series.  The best one currently is the simpsons and philosophy although i do have harry potter and phil as well.  Sersiously great books and things like relativitsm come up often in them.  They are usually interesting reads.  Well anyways they need to do a monsters and phil one.  (and a House MD and phil one)


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Re: Penn and Teller: BS!
« Reply #171 on: March 27, 2007, 04:25:38 AM »
Seconds on "Mere Christianity." Tis a fantastic read. And Screwtape Letters is of course a standard for uplifting the spirit!

I also second Nosferatu --- ashamed to say I forgot all about the pointy-eared bugger!

I have a question posed in the Zack Snyder thread about why shooting a zombie in the head matters in movies... I mean, logically it shouldn't.... right? I mean... .RIGHT?? The zombie isn't really /relying/ on the brain for anything is it? =

They should have classes in zombie mythology -- a few people form this board would have honorary PhDs by now...

I have a few of Lewis' books around here, along with Narnia.  I am a huge fan of the writer that influenced C.S. Lewis' conversion, G.k. Chesterton, as all the quotes I say express that.


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Re: Penn and Teller: BS!
« Reply #172 on: March 27, 2007, 04:33:27 AM »
I have a question posed in the Zack Snyder thread about why shooting a zombie in the head matters in movies... I mean, logically it shouldn't.... right? I mean... .RIGHT?? The zombie isn't really /relying/ on the brain for anything is it? =

They should have classes in zombie mythology -- a few people form this board would have honorary PhDs by now...

I agree. 

I think the basic Romero idea is that that while they don't need to breathe or eat (at least for nutrition) the brain controls the body itself still and a mutation (or whatever) of the brain itself it what's caused the re-animation.  Max Brooks (surely the lecturer of any Zombie Mythology class) goes into some fantastic detail in the Survival Guide.
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Re: Penn and Teller: BS!
« Reply #173 on: March 27, 2007, 08:24:30 AM »

I have a question posed in the Zack Snyder thread about why shooting a zombie in the head matters in movies... I mean, logically it shouldn't.... right? I mean... .RIGHT?? The zombie isn't really /relying/ on the brain for anything is it? =

They should have classes in zombie mythology -- a few people form this board would have honorary PhDs by now...

Simple answer: The zombies may in fact still be using the brain. Using the Romero zombies as an example, we've got evidence in two of the films that the zombies have at least some higher brain functions. (Bub in "Day" and the Mechanic in "Land". Leguzamo's character also showed a bit of intelligence after turning as well.) And the zombies in "Dawn" retained enough memories to want to head to the mall.  Speaking off the top of my head, the zombification process may simply shut off the higher brain functions and leave the simpler parts of the brain (the motor controls, the drive to feed, the autonomous functions, etc) working. (which goes along nicely with historical accounts of zombies having enough intelligence to do simple tasks.) And shooting the brain will stop those functions as well, shutting the zombie down.


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Re: Penn and Teller: BS!
« Reply #174 on: March 27, 2007, 08:34:12 AM »
Yeah, that's why they still rot, because the only thing driving them is a living brain, (but apparently that slowly decays as well, just the feeding process keeps it going longer than the other parts).  Kill the brain the zombie goes down.  That's the simple, elegant Romero style...

But there is another that was popularized in "Return of the Living Dead" that one is still a bit of a mystery to me.  Many zombie movies have done this, but I can't really see the rationale for it.  These zombies seem to be some kind of "hive life" and if you cut off the hand, or an arm, or another body part, it will still run around on it's own.

Evil Dead did this of course, but that was an easy explanation: Demon Magicalness!!  It's the perfect plot vehicle because you can imagine a demon being able to pull off just about anything.  But the more biological explanation doesn't really seem to have a good excuse for seperate body parts moving around in a severed state.
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Re: Penn and Teller: BS!
« Reply #175 on: March 31, 2007, 03:55:17 PM »
sorry folks, but back on topic; This week was A LOT better than lasts, it didn't seem as flawed and they actually let the other side speak


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Re: Penn and Teller: BS!
« Reply #176 on: March 31, 2007, 04:08:50 PM »
Yeah I disagree with some of what they said, being from a small town I have seen the Wal-Mart "competition" go down in flames because they have to charge MORE to stay afloat, due to the lack of business. People saving money and using that to further stimulate the economy is a good theory, but I'm not sure how practical it is.

But I do agree that they give jobs to people who might otherwise not be able to fend for themselves, which is nice.


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Re: Penn and Teller: BS!
« Reply #177 on: March 31, 2007, 04:23:39 PM »
Sorry, TP, but I grew up in a small town, and the "mom & pop" stores that everyone lionizes were, in my experience, places that charged outrageous prices for very limited selection, where the staff had no problem openly casting a glance askance at customers who might have looked "different." Last time I visited my mom, I was relieved to find that the town now has a Wal-Mart, where I could find the merchandise I was looking for, at a price I found satisfactory.
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Re: Penn and Teller: BS!
« Reply #178 on: March 31, 2007, 04:28:52 PM »
I'm not saying that the mom and pop stores should have, or should not have, been forced to struggle, or were good for charging more, etc. etc. I think for the "niche" stores it's a little different, like the corner shop that sells the young kid his first guitar for cheap as opposed to the Guitar World that will sell him a shitty guitar for a higher price. That's a different situation altogether.

I think the Big Box stores ARE a good thing, but I don't believe the money people are saving there is being used to stimulate the economy in their little villages where the mom and pop stores tend to thrive.


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Re: Penn and Teller: BS!
« Reply #179 on: March 31, 2007, 07:12:22 PM »
im currently reading a rather odd jack london book called the Iron Heel.  Its a book about socialism told in a sort of sci fi way.  One of the arguments he makes is that defending mom and pop stores against the trusts ( we can put walmart in there) is silly and counter productive, he argues that clearly trusts do things more efficently than the mom and pop places and since the only complaint the mom and pops can raise is that they now no longer have the opportunity to squeeze profits from the OTHER mom and pop places because the trusts have squeezed them, means that they no longer have a place in this economy.  Of course he goes on to say the next logical step is for the people to take over the trusts and make a sort of super trust ala communism, and thats where i idsagree but its still an interesting read.