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Grammar WHO CARES?
« on: October 03, 2011, 10:08:00 AM »
So its come up a few times now so i figured we need this thread to keep us from derailing all the other threads.  Kinda like a rain gutter.

I say good clear thinking is more important than good clear presentation.  WHO DISAGREES :)


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Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2011, 10:11:24 AM »
To a certain point.  The problem becomes when the good thinking is obscured behind terrible grammar.  It basically undermines the credibility of the person when it looks like a person has simply smashed his hands against the keyboard without any thought into how it looks to other people.


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Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2011, 10:17:34 AM »
There are a couple of books that are good illustrations of how presentation matters:

Feersum Endjin

Flowers for Algernon
« Last Edit: October 03, 2011, 10:23:17 AM by Tripe H. Redux »


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Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2011, 10:18:06 AM »
I think of it like a sliding scale sort of thing.  You have to be in the middle.  You must have a good clearly logical point and your spelling must be good enough to make your post clear.  Of the two extremes though i would much rather have to dig through poor spelling and grammar to get a point i find profound then waste the two seconds to read a clear yet assinine thought.


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Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2011, 10:18:16 AM »
To a certain point.  The problem becomes when the good thinking is obscured behind terrible grammar.  It basically undermines the credibility of the person when it looks like a person has simply smashed his hands against the keyboard without any thought into how it looks to other people.

So true.   Of course, it is more critical at work than on a forum for entertainment purposes.......


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Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2011, 10:20:08 AM »
To a certain point.  The problem becomes when the good thinking is obscured behind terrible grammar.  It basically undermines the credibility of the person when it looks like a person has simply smashed his hands against the keyboard without any thought into how it looks to other people.

This is a sentence I can agree with. Poor grammar skills can get in the way of your point, irregardless of the fact it ain't as noticeable as a spelling error. Missing the occasional, mistake is all right. But even small, hard-to-notice errors is able to make your ultimate point uncohesive.


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Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2011, 10:21:21 AM »
There are a couple of books that are good illustrations of how presentation matters:

Feersum Endjin

Flowers for Algernon

Could you expound a bit?


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Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2011, 10:23:53 AM »
I modified the links so that they lead to the pertinent section of the article for each.


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Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2011, 10:24:11 AM »
in the first book part of the book is written phonetically. excerpt :
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despite the bad spelling the point gets across. thats why i think spelling and grammer dont matter to a point. i mean if you start saying things like" sun owtsyde shown yelllow knot today yesterdaye" yea its a problem. but misplacing a comma or misspelling  words doesnt really make a major difference to me.
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Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2011, 10:33:25 AM »
However, look at the second one as well.



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Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2011, 10:40:09 AM »
Hmm interesting.  Have you read Flowers for Algernon?


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Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2011, 10:40:53 AM »
I have. I've also read Feersum Endjin


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Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2011, 10:41:04 AM »
Of the two extremes though i would much rather have to dig through poor spelling and grammar to get a point i find profound then waste the two seconds to read a clear yet assinine thought.

I'm usually the opposite, actually. I tend to assume that if the argument is lazily written, then it's not worth reading. After all, if somebody can't spend a few seconds to try to make it easier to parse, it seems logical to me that their argument or general point is just as careless as their sentence structure. If they don't look like they put forth the effort to make it comprehensible, why waste time trying to comprehend it?

It's perhaps not a very fair assumption, but it's one I constantly make.


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Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2011, 10:46:33 AM »
I dont make a direct connection between grammar and spelling and intelligence.  I view both of those of signs of education (which i also dont associate with intelligence).  Granted there is a correlation im sure. 


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Re: Grammar WHO CARES?
« Reply #14 on: October 03, 2011, 10:47:19 AM »
I read Flowers for Algernon some years ago, and I found it kind of sad.  (In a good way.)  Anyway there is a difference between intentionally writing incorrectly to prove a point or because that's how the character you've created would write and just being too lazy to care about spelling or grammar.  I agree that knowing the rules of spelling and grammar does not mean you have good ideas, but it helps you express what ideas you have in a way that everyone can understand more easily.  If everyone just changed the rules of spelling and grammar to suit the way they feel like writing, communication would be a lot more difficult.  
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