Anything New This Season That Warrants Viewing?

[D.B. Barnes]

The reason why Whitney is being considered over Community isn't because of the relative qualities of the show, it's mostly down to its ratings.  Community gets a 1.6, which would've gotten it cancelled in its first season on any other network, but NBC kept it around because a) the people who like it, really like it and b) they had nothing else.  Whitney, with Community's terrible lead-in pulls a 1.9.  Not much better, but when you consider that everyone who's going to give Community a chance has had 3 years to do do, while Whitney still has a chance to break through, it's not hard to see the arguments made by TV executives. 

We shouldn't be mad at NBC - I'm sure they'd love to see Community succeed more than we do, it's just a pity that more viewers don't feel the same way.

THE RATINGS SYSTEM IS A BUNCH OF ANTIQUATED MOTHERFUCKING BULLSHIT!!! TV EXECUTIVES NEED TO PULL THEIR COLLECTIVE HEAD OUT OF THEIR MOTHERFUCKING ASS!!!

I AM MAD AT NBC!!! MADDDDDDDDDD!!!

[shodan]

what the f*ck is Whitney?
*looks it up*
who the f*ck is Whitney Cummings?
*looks her up*
who the f*ck is Whitney Cummings?

[TheUnabeefer]

The reason why Whitney is being considered over Community isn't because of the relative qualities of the show, it's mostly down to its ratings.  Community gets a 1.6, which would've gotten it cancelled in its first season on any other network, but NBC kept it around because a) the people who like it, really like it and b) they had nothing else.  Whitney, with Community's terrible lead-in pulls a 1.9.  Not much better, but when you consider that everyone who's going to give Community a chance has had 3 years to do do, while Whitney still has a chance to break through, it's not hard to see the arguments made by TV executives. 

We shouldn't be mad at NBC - I'm sure they'd love to see Community succeed more than we do, it's just a pity that more viewers don't feel the same way.

Once again, ratings don't equal viewers or fans......  Maybe it did many many years ago, but it doesn't anymore.

30 Rock would have been cancelled years ago too, but was only saved due to Sarah Palin.

[mrbasehart]

Once again, ratings don't equal viewers or fans......  Maybe it did many many years ago, but it doesn't anymore.

We know that.  I'm sure some people at NBC know that, but advertisers still look at ratings when considering placing ads.  There are more factors entering into the equation nowadays, with things like TIVO, and sites like Hulu, but there still seems to be resistance because companies aren't sure they can make their money there yet.

I wasn't sure about 30 Rock's numbers, but a quick looks seems to say that they're much better than Whitney or Community. 

[TheUnabeefer]

I wasn't sure about 30 Rock's numbers, but a quick looks seems to say that they're much better than Whitney or Community. 

I remember them being about how Community is now back before Palin put Tina Fey into the limelight....  Good following but low ratings.  Right around the time of the writer's strike too, actually.

[mrbasehart]

I wasn't sure about 30 Rock's numbers, but a quick looks seems to say that they're much better than Whitney or Community. 

I remember them being about how Community is now back before Palin put Tina Fey into the limelight....  Good following but low ratings.  Right around the time of the writer's strike too, actually.

It certainly helped, but 30 Rock has been more successful in its lowest season than Community in its highest.  What's more worrying is that Community look like its lost viewers over the course of its 3 year run,  averaging 5 million viewers in its first season, 4.4 in its second, and last week's episode got just 3.49 million.  Unless NBC see some significant upticks over the next few episodes, then it won't really be surprising if Community is cancelled. 

[TheUnabeefer]

It certainly helped, but 30 Rock has been more successful in its lowest season than Community in its highest.  What's more worrying is that Community look like its lost viewers over the course of its 3 year run,  averaging 5 million viewers in its first season, 4.4 in its second, and last week's episode got just 3.49 million.  Unless NBC see some significant upticks over the next few episodes, then it won't really be surprising if Community is cancelled. 

I have a feeling the backlash from their "delay" and the fact that NBC had to scramble to state it has NOT been cancelled (yet) has NBC knowing that there are some rabid fans.... and will at least afford them one more season.  And since Harmon apparently wanted to do 4 seasons, that could at least get us to the end of the show properly.

[Bob]

If Community gets cancelled I want the credit as I have never seen an episode.

I CRUSH your enjoyments....

[D.B. Barnes]

If Community gets cancelled I want the credit as I have never seen an episode.

I CRUSH your enjoyments....

[mrbasehart]

It certainly helped, but 30 Rock has been more successful in its lowest season than Community in its highest.  What's more worrying is that Community look like its lost viewers over the course of its 3 year run,  averaging 5 million viewers in its first season, 4.4 in its second, and last week's episode got just 3.49 million.  Unless NBC see some significant upticks over the next few episodes, then it won't really be surprising if Community is cancelled. 

I have a feeling the backlash from their "delay" and the fact that NBC had to scramble to state it has NOT been cancelled (yet) has NBC knowing that there are some rabid fans.... and will at least afford them one more season.  And since Harmon apparently wanted to do 4 seasons, that could at least get us to the end of the show properly.

There's also the fact that if it does go another season, it'll reach the episode quota for syndication, which would probably make NBC a good bit of money. 

[LucasM]

[re: Community]
I have a feeling the backlash from their "delay" and the fact that NBC had to scramble to state it has NOT been cancelled (yet) has NBC knowing that there are some rabid fans.... and will at least afford them one more season.  And since Harmon apparently wanted to do 4 seasons, that could at least get us to the end of the show properly.

There's also the fact that if it does go another season, it'll reach the episode quota for syndication, which would probably make NBC a good bit of money. 

[I, like Bob, have never seen an episode of Community (and don't intend to), but I don't wish ill will to those that do watch (so: no torches and pitchforks, please ).  That said... to the italicized part of TheUnabeefer's comment and to the above:]
That's possible, but these days I think that execs look at the intensity of the fanbase for shows far more than they used to - possibly more than syndication rights - because now they start to factor in "how many sets of the DVDs do we think we can sell?" as that can be as lucrative as advertising/syndication dollars (or for some shows possibly more so, I don't know).

[D.B. Barnes]

[re: Community]
I have a feeling the backlash from their "delay" and the fact that NBC had to scramble to state it has NOT been cancelled (yet) has NBC knowing that there are some rabid fans.... and will at least afford them one more season.  And since Harmon apparently wanted to do 4 seasons, that could at least get us to the end of the show properly.

There's also the fact that if it does go another season, it'll reach the episode quota for syndication, which would probably make NBC a good bit of money. 

[I, like Bob, have never seen an episode of Community (and don't intend to), but I don't wish ill will to those that do watch (so: no torches and pitchforks, please ).  That said... to the italicized part of TheUnabeefer's comment and to the above:]
That's possible, but these days I think that execs look at the intensity of the fanbase for shows far more than they used to - possibly more than syndication rights - because now they start to factor in "how many sets of the DVDs do we think we can sell?" as that can be as lucrative as advertising/syndication dollars (or for some shows possibly more so, I don't know).

It's a pretty intense fucking base, as has been evidenced on this forum and in innerweb movements. And why do you not intend to even give this show a chance?

[k1]

The syndication thing has some merit.  Look how long Fox(?) dragged out 'Til Death, even going as far as to change cast members for one character, then make jokes about it, and pretty much just rip on how ridiculously bad the show had become.

[TheUnabeefer]

I could understand someone watching an episode or two and then deciding they just aren't into it (or it's not for them, etc)... but I just can't wrap my head around someone just flat out deciding to never even watch a single episode of the show.  Did Chevy Chase kill your dad or something?

Community is the best comedy show to hit TV since Newsradio (and is on par with it IMO).  There, I said it.

[shodan]

[re: Community]
I have a feeling the backlash from their "delay" and the fact that NBC had to scramble to state it has NOT been cancelled (yet) has NBC knowing that there are some rabid fans.... and will at least afford them one more season.  And since Harmon apparently wanted to do 4 seasons, that could at least get us to the end of the show properly.

There's also the fact that if it does go another season, it'll reach the episode quota for syndication, which would probably make NBC a good bit of money. 

[I, like Bob, have never seen an episode of Community (and don't intend to), but I don't wish ill will to those that do watch (so: no torches and pitchforks, please ).  That said... to the italicized part of TheUnabeefer's comment and to the above:]
That's possible, but these days I think that execs look at the intensity of the fanbase for shows far more than they used to - possibly more than syndication rights - because now they start to factor in "how many sets of the DVDs do we think we can sell?" as that can be as lucrative as advertising/syndication dollars (or for some shows possibly more so, I don't know).

KILL THE NONBELIEVER!