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Re: Christmas is getting closer...
« Reply #15 on: September 08, 2006, 06:27:28 AM »
"Its a Wonderful Life"

Might as well start at the top and work your way down...

plus the DVD is like $2.99 with a fillup at Texaco!

Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if that was a Legend release nearer christmas.  It is public domain, after all...


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Re: Christmas is getting closer...
« Reply #16 on: September 08, 2006, 06:52:07 AM »
Gremlins IS a christmas movie, now that I think about it...


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Re: Christmas is getting closer...
« Reply #17 on: September 08, 2006, 07:10:09 AM »
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Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if that was a Legend release nearer christmas.  It is public domain, after all...


From Wiki:   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It's_a_Wonderful_Life

Liberty Films was purchased by Paramount Pictures, and remained a subsidiary until 1951. Paramount owned the film until 1955, when they sold a few of their features and most of their cartoons and shorts to television distributor U.M.&M. T.V. Corp.. This included key rights to It's a Wonderful Life, including the original television syndication rights, the original nitrate film elements, the music score, and the story on which the film is based, "The Greatest Gift".

National Telefilm Associates took over the rights to the U.M.&M. library soon afterward. However, a clerical error at NTA prevented the copyright from being renewed properly in 1974. Around this time, people began to take a second look at this film. A popular fallacy began that it entered the public domain and many television stations began airing the film without paying royalties. The film was still protected by virtue of it being a derivative work of all the other copyrighted material used to produce the film such as the script, music, etc. whose copyrights were renewed. In the 1980s (the beginning of the home video era) the film finally received the acclaim it didn't receive in 1946, thus becoming a perennial holiday favorite. For several years, it became expected that the movie would be shown multiple times on at least one station and on multiple stations in the same day, often at the same or overlapping times. It was a common practice for American viewers to jump in and out of viewing the movie at random points, confident they could easily pick it up again at a later time. The film's warm and familiar ambiance gave even isolated scenes the feel of holiday "comfort food" for the eyes and ears. The film's accidental public domain success is often cited as a reason to limit copyright terms, which have been frequently extended by Congress in the United States.

Two colorized versions have since been produced; they are widely considered inferior to the black-and-white original and are often held up by opponents of colorization as an example of the flaws associated with the process: in the scene of the dinner-table chat between George and Peter Bailey, for example, James Stewart's shirt is conspicuously pink. For many years, some television stations paid substantial royalties to show a colorized version, figuring that color would attract more viewers.

In 1993, Republic Pictures, which was the successor to NTA, relied on the 1990 U.S. Supreme Court ruling in Stewart v. Abend (which involved the movie Rear Window) to enforce its claim of copyright; while the film's copyright had not been renewed, it was a derivative work of various works that were still copyrighted. As a result, the film is no longer shown as much on television (NBC is currently licensed to show the film on U.S. network television, and only shows it traditionally twice during the holidays, with one showing primarily on Christmas Eve from 8-11 Eastern time), the colorized versions have been withdrawn, and Republic now has exclusive ancillary rights to the film. Artisan Entertainment (under license from Republic) took over home video rights in the mid-1990's, Artisan was later sold to Lions Gate Entertainment, which continued to hold home video rights until late 2005 when they reverted to Republic's sister studio Paramount, whose parent is Viacom.

The film has been selected for preservation in the United States National Film Registry.

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Whew! There's alot to read on there...

But in the end, its not public domain, and never really was.
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Re: Christmas is getting closer...
« Reply #18 on: September 08, 2006, 09:28:09 AM »
still should be riffed on the basis that most movies should be riffed.


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Re: Christmas is getting closer...
« Reply #19 on: September 08, 2006, 12:32:48 PM »
"Its a Wonderful Life"

Might as well start at the top and work your way down...

plus the DVD is like $2.99 with a fillup at Texaco!

Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if that was a Legend release nearer christmas.  It is public domain, after all...

I don't see that happening. Besides the fact that it isn't public domain, it had already been determined by viewers that years earlier that colorizing the film would be a no-no (particularly because the previous colorized versions were done very badly), so I couldn't see a Legend Films release of It's a Wonderful Life being such a huge seller, which is why they wouldn't consider the film's colorization a wise business move.
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Re: Christmas is getting closer...
« Reply #20 on: September 08, 2006, 12:54:00 PM »
ECHO!  ;)

They should totaly colorize the wizard of oz! :P


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Re: Christmas is getting closer...
« Reply #21 on: September 08, 2006, 01:44:34 PM »
Fun fact: Dorothy's shoes were silver in the novel. It was supposed to be a big satire that was pro-silver trade (We were thinking of nixing the silver trade, and a pound of gold was worth- like an ounce (oz) of silver.)

But when they brought it to the big screen, they wanted to show how awesome color could be, so they ruined the metaphor and made 'em red!


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Re: Christmas is getting closer...
« Reply #22 on: September 08, 2006, 04:17:54 PM »
yeah but the metaphor had been out of place even then for the last 100 years or so.  i dont think it really mattered all that much.


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Re: Christmas is getting closer...
« Reply #23 on: September 08, 2006, 04:46:13 PM »
They should totaly colorize the wizard of oz! :P

They could actually get away with colorizing the 1925 silent version of The Wizard of Oz, but I wouldn't buy it unless Mike did a commentary over it. The silent version is god-awful.
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Re: Christmas is getting closer...
« Reply #24 on: September 08, 2006, 07:27:13 PM »
But in the end, its not public domain, and never really was.

Ah, I'd somehow forgotten that.  I think I was reading a review of The Bishop's Wife (the 40's Cary Grant christmas movie) and it basically said how if that had lapsed in its copyright, like It's a Wonderful Life, that it would also be a perennial favourite for Christmas time.  I'm not sure if the colourization argument holds much water nowadays, as it's pretty clear from the Legend releases that if they've got a good print of the movie, their techniques make the movies look perfectly natural in colour.  The work on House on the Haunted Hill is nothing short of amazing.


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Re: Christmas is getting closer...
« Reply #25 on: September 20, 2006, 08:38:47 AM »
It's a Wonderful Life , and Wizard of Oz as well since it has been mentioned here, are BAD choices to riff.
Not because they are somehow 'canon' or 'too good to riff on'  but they are so ingrained into our culture that they are things to pull riffs from to use on other movies.
I mean what do you say when they fall asleep in the poppies? Nothing....
But you can use "Poppies will make them sleep!" in dozens of other movies as a riff itself.

Nothing should be sacred, but some things are just too engrained in our pop cultured minds as to make them riff-proof.
Grapes? I hate grapes, I can't stand grapes. I loathe grapes. All kinds of grapes. I hate green grapes and I hate purple grapes. I hate grapes with seeds, I hate grapes without seeds. I hate them peeled and nonpeeled. I hate them in bunches, one at a time and in small groups of twos and threes.


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Re: Christmas is getting closer...
« Reply #26 on: September 20, 2006, 09:08:20 AM »
Mike and the gang sure did get a lot of mileage out of the It's a Wonderful Life

"Why don't you stop annoying people."
"Well I'm sorry -- HEY!"

You're not curious what Mike would say to Alfalfa getting cut in on?

Other sampled bits for MST:

"You once called me a warped frustrated old man..."
"Every time a bell rings, an angel gets his wings..."
"Tell me where the money is, you fool!  One of us is going to jail, and it's not going to be me!"
"He's making violent love to me, mother!"

I'd love to see a It's a Wonderful Life Rifftrax.  Because it's one of those movies so known to me that the additional commentary would be welcome and not at all intrusive.


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Re: Christmas is getting closer...
« Reply #27 on: September 20, 2006, 11:26:58 AM »
It would be the ultimate X-mas track.. 


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Re: Christmas is getting closer...
« Reply #28 on: September 20, 2006, 11:28:56 AM »
I think the Sinbad and Arnold christmas epic Jingle All the Way would be and ideal rifftrax movie.

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Re: Christmas is getting closer...
« Reply #29 on: September 20, 2006, 11:30:36 AM »
Gremlins IS a christmas movie, now that I think about it...

Good point, Christmas movies that we don't think of as primarily Chirstmas movies.

Die Hard's another one.