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Re: The Dark Knight Rises
« Reply #705 on: July 20, 2012, 09:49:01 AM »
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises
« Reply #706 on: July 20, 2012, 04:26:42 PM »
I know we're all preoccupied with last night's events, but if it's okay, I have a theory about the movie I'd like to run by everybody. Thinking about it for a while, I realized that in a weird way, TDKR is like the Empire Strikes Back of Batman movies. The Empire is like the League of Shadows and the antagonist and protagonist relate to each other in a very important way. The rebels, I'm sorry, I mean cops have to hide from the evil Empire, I'm sorry, I mean the League of shadows, and Han Solo(Gary Oldman) has to fly through an Asteroid field in the Batwing to avoid being shot at by Bane's evil henchmen!!!.... Wait what? Okay, that was bullshit, but I do think that there are quite a few points of comparison.


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Re: The Dark Knight Rises
« Reply #707 on: July 20, 2012, 04:52:44 PM »
It's funny, because I've seen a lot of people calling TDKR the Return of the Jedi to TDK's Empire Strikes Back.

More in terms of overall quality than actual plot comparisons, though.


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Re: The Dark Knight Rises
« Reply #708 on: July 20, 2012, 05:37:12 PM »
The Dark Knight really was the next logical step, as far as movies go... so I have no complaints about it.  Also, it made people aware of how The Joker should be, as opposed to Jack Nicholson...

As much as I love the Nolan movies, I would assert that the Nicholson version of the Joker was perfect... for that style of Batman movie. To play him differently would have had weird effects on the tone of the 1989 film.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises
« Reply #709 on: July 20, 2012, 05:40:08 PM »
The Dark Knight really was the next logical step, as far as movies go... so I have no complaints about it.  Also, it made people aware of how The Joker should be, as opposed to Jack Nicholson...
As much as I love the Nolan movies, I would assert that the Nicholson version of the Joker was perfect... for that style of Batman movie. T
Yep... then when he realizes he's about to fall to his death, he becomes all scared and frightened. Heath Ledger's Joker laughs in the face of death, and is disappointed when his life is SAVED. For me, it's no contest who the better Joker is. ;)


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Re: The Dark Knight Rises
« Reply #710 on: July 20, 2012, 05:52:53 PM »
The Dark Knight really was the next logical step, as far as movies go... so I have no complaints about it.  Also, it made people aware of how The Joker should be, as opposed to Jack Nicholson...
As much as I love the Nolan movies, I would assert that the Nicholson version of the Joker was perfect... for that style of Batman movie. T
Yep... then when he realizes he's about to fall to his death, he becomes all scared and frightened. Heath Ledger's Joker laughs in the face of death, and is disappointed when his life is SAVED. For me, it's no contest who the better Joker is. ;)

I've always split up the three big Joker versions (Nicholson's, Ledger's, and Hamill's) by how they reacted to falling. Nicholson screamed, Ledger laughed, and Hamill laughed and then screamed. It pretty much explained their characters in a nutshell. And I too really dig Nicholson, for the style of the movie he was in.

The Joker has had a ton of different interpretations over the years, from just a bank robbing prankster to a man from nightmares. Whichever version you ultimately prefer is a personal matter, but they all essentially work on their own merits (save maybe for that one that teamed up with the penguin to fight Scooby and the gang).


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Re: The Dark Knight Rises
« Reply #711 on: July 20, 2012, 05:52:57 PM »
The Dark Knight really was the next logical step, as far as movies go... so I have no complaints about it.  Also, it made people aware of how The Joker should be, as opposed to Jack Nicholson...

As much as I love the Nolan movies, I would assert that the Nicholson version of the Joker was perfect... for that style of Batman movie. To play him differently would have had weird effects on the tone of the 1989 film.

Nicholson's Joker was perfect for that movie, yes... Perfect for Burton's "I don't know a thing about Batman, so I'll have some people clue me in on a few things while making the movie" Batman movie.  Also, Nicholson was perfect at playing himself dressed up as a sorta Joker character.

But Ledger, and to an even greater extent Hamill, was a better Joker based on THE CHARACTER.  I got beaten up quite a few times back in the early 90's for pointing out that the Nicholson/Burton "Joker" was NOT "The Joker".  He was even further from being The Joker than Romero was.

Call me an elitist snob if you want, but when someone bastardizes a character THAT much, it just annoys me.  (I have the same issue at a smaller scale with Gene Wilder's portrayal of Willy Wonka too...)

I have somewhere some old ViewMaster slides based on old Batman comics from yeeeeeeeears ago, and The Joker in those was almost exactly how they showed him in TAS... and Ledger was the closest to that I have seen on screen.

Although this guy who shot up the theater might be pretty close too.......
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises
« Reply #712 on: July 20, 2012, 05:57:13 PM »
Maybe there should be two separate threads here, one for the movie and one for the shit that happened at the theater.

I still have a lot to say about the movie.  Will probably write up some very spoiler-rific comments later on tonight or tomorrow.

But yeah, maybe a mod can pull all of the comments about the shootings out of this thread and into their own thread, so we can use this one to talk about the movie.


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Re: The Dark Knight Rises
« Reply #713 on: July 20, 2012, 05:59:32 PM »
  Also, Nicholson was perfect at playing himself dressed up

This is pretty much all he ever does as far as I have seen.

He is not the only one either.  I could probably think of a bunch of actors that don't really "act", so much as just play themselves over and over.  Owen Wilson is one that comes immediately to mind.


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Re: The Dark Knight Rises
« Reply #714 on: July 20, 2012, 06:00:30 PM »
I like acting you can see!

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Re: The Dark Knight Rises
« Reply #715 on: July 20, 2012, 06:00:43 PM »
  Also, Nicholson was perfect at playing himself dressed up

This is pretty much all he ever does as far as I have seen.

There's nothing inherently wrong about that though.  Some of the coolest actors tend to just play themselves...  It only sucks when they try to play set already known/created characters as themselves.

I also vote that there should be another thread for the shooting.  Technically I vote that the shooting should not have happened, but I can't change that.
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Re: The Dark Knight Rises
« Reply #716 on: July 20, 2012, 06:20:53 PM »
So back to movie talk....

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Re: The Dark Knight Rises
« Reply #717 on: July 20, 2012, 06:29:48 PM »
I like acting you can see!
Do you like it very much?


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Re: The Dark Knight Rises
« Reply #718 on: July 20, 2012, 06:34:31 PM »
I like acting you can see!
Do you like it very much?

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Re: The Dark Knight Rises
« Reply #719 on: July 20, 2012, 06:36:44 PM »
  Also, Nicholson was perfect at playing himself dressed up

This is pretty much all he ever does as far as I have seen.

There's nothing inherently wrong about that though.  Some of the coolest actors tend to just play themselves...  It only sucks when they try to play set already known/created characters as themselves.

I also vote that there should be another thread for the shooting.  Technically I vote that the shooting should not have happened, but I can't change that.

I think you can point to his two standout performances in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest and The Shining and see where the guy got pigeon-holed as that kind of actor, when in other movies he's brilliant - and understated! - in films like Five Easy Pieces, The Last Detail, and The Passenger.  Even in recent films like About Schmidt, but they pale into the background against the sinister, shouty roles that he gets through on the force of his eyebrows alone.