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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #45 on: September 23, 2010, 05:57:13 AM »
that sounds really uninteresting.
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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #46 on: September 24, 2010, 05:27:48 AM »
Well, I guess that's my proverbial "Jump to Conclusions" mat.

What WOULD you watch then?
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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #47 on: September 24, 2010, 06:10:36 AM »
I think you keep it simple.  There hasn't been a "proper" Star Trek series since TNG went off the air in the early 90s - the rest had some sort of spin on the format - and if it was well done, a story about a starship and its crew would be fine.  Enterprise got that right in its final couple of seasons, even though it never got over the stigma of its bad first season, so I don't see why it couldn't be done again.


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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #48 on: September 24, 2010, 10:48:49 AM »
It would be great to have a show about a ship and crew again, leave out the big bad enemies that they have no real chance of beating but always do, get back to exploring damn it!  But that's an impossible pipe dream the way TV works now.


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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #49 on: September 24, 2010, 10:58:33 AM »
You know, this
If I were doing a new show, here is the premise I would base it on:
Several years after Voyager returns home, engineers and scientists develop a new type of propulsion engine that effectively breaks the warp 10 barrier.  It works in conjunction with a conventional warp engine but it uses a different type of technology that requires a separate engine core, but once you are at warp 9.9, it kicks in to make you go even faster - like warp 21, which in the exponential mathematical curve should be hundreds of times faster than warp 9.  So, they make a trip to the Delta quadrant to visit some of the sites Voyager had originally visited in their journey home.  Then someone says, "Hey, lets take this baby to another galaxy."  So they do
Isn't too bad.

It just goes a bit iffy after that. Exploring a whole new galaxy might be interesting. :)


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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #50 on: September 24, 2010, 12:40:39 PM »
Exploring a whole new galaxy might be interesting. :)

That was the original promise of V'ger in a "Lost In Space" kind of way....and then went immediately to ship-bound-soap-opera hell.


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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #51 on: September 24, 2010, 04:07:58 PM »
Exploring a whole new galaxy might be interesting. :)

That was the original promise of V'ger in a "Lost In Space" kind of way....and then went immediately to ship-bound-soap-opera hell.

Yup, they were supposed to be on the way home all the time, new planets and stuff every week.  But what we got was sticking around in the same area way too long and the milking of conflicts on and off the ship....  The show wasn't bad when they were on the move a lot like they were in the last season.


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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #52 on: September 24, 2010, 04:46:14 PM »
I think it's sort of silly to just toss away all these neat races and cultures that were already invented. Use them.  You don't need to go wandering off to forehead of the week land, wasting lots of creative energy on superficially meeting "new" aliens and then never seeing them again. Explore something more interesting closer to home.

Also? Star Trek is not about war.  That was something DS9 never got.

Agreed.  What made me care less about Voyager was that it didn't feel connected to the Trek universe at all. 


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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #53 on: September 24, 2010, 07:31:41 PM »
Also? Star Trek is not about war.  That was something DS9 never got.

Not once Berman got his paws on it.  They even had the nerve to rub our noses in it with that lament by Picard in Insurrection: "Remember when we used to be explorers....?"


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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #54 on: September 24, 2010, 07:37:27 PM »
I still liked Voyager though.  They had a starship with real phasers and torpedos, and they could go really fast warp speed, and occasionally they had a runin with the Borg.  Thats verses the lame Enterprise stuff.

If they do have a cool new ship that can go to another galaxy, they need equally cool new weapons - like some ultimate weapon where you only press the big red button and fire it in an extreme emergency - something that could blow up a whole planet or a whole fleet of attacking ships, but in the process creates a tear in space/time.  Also, crew members get personal shields, like in Star Trek: The Anitmated Series (which is where the holodeck was introduced BTW).

I would happily spend the rest of my life in a North Korea labor camp if they would do this: A single episode where there is a Star Wars/Star Trek crossover.

BTW, Star Trek wasnt always about war...the cool episodes were though.  The fluff episodes were about peoples love lifes and person emotional crisis.  (Snoooorrrrr...)
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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #55 on: September 24, 2010, 07:49:08 PM »
I don't think Berman had much to do with DS9 at all once it got up and running. Moore and Wolfe and Piller, and that weirdo Behr were the high mucky-mucks.

I'm not just talking about DS9.  But Moore, Wolfe, Piller, Behr and Echevarria (who also had a hand in screwing up "Dark Angel", IMHO) along with all the producers of the other shows all answered to Berman.  And if they weren't doing things the way he liked you can be sure he would have bounced them.


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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #56 on: September 26, 2010, 12:34:16 PM »
I stand by my assertion that an anthology series is the way to go.
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Re: Star Trek
« Reply #57 on: September 28, 2010, 11:24:12 PM »
I don't think Berman had much to do with DS9 at all once it got up and running. Moore and Wolfe and Piller, and that weirdo Behr were the high mucky-mucks.

I'm not just talking about DS9.  But Moore, Wolfe, Piller, Behr and Echevarria (who also had a hand in screwing up "Dark Angel", IMHO) along with all the producers of the other shows all answered to Berman.  And if they weren't doing things the way he liked you can be sure he would have bounced them.

They repeatedly talk on the special features about how they didn't really have to answer much to anyone, that Voyager was the one Berman was watching.

That could be true...  Going by how the TNG movies turned out, I doubt it.  Plus he was writing episodes for those shows - you'd think from that  he knew what was going on.

But Berman was still in charge of Trek overall.  So if he was negligent and things got screwed up...he's still to blame.