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Offline Agent_Ispep

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Hey guys.  I'm (eventually) going to update the top post with links and/or short tutorials on dealing with some of the trickier movies.  Help me put together the list, would ya?  Off the top of my head, I can think of:

Star Trek (2009)
Transformers 2
Casino Royale
The Dark Knight

I know there were more than those four, so help jog my memory.

Also, if someone knows how to add forced subtitles for Return of the Jedi, Red Dawn, and Dragon Wars, through Rejig, that'd be a handy guide.  I used DVD Lab so I have no clue.


Some I can remember that were difficult were...
Grey's Anatomy and LOST I could never get the 2nd part of the episodes to either sync with the main audio or the Riff


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I do have one question though. I'm trying to cut the intro of the riff in Audacity, but for some reason it won't cut.

I tried using CTRL+X but it won't do it. When I highlight it and try cutting it using the File option, it's not highlighted. I don't know if it's something where I have to reinstall the program but if anyone has any tips on how to help me, it would be greatly appreciated.


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I do have one question though. I'm trying to cut the intro of the riff in Audacity, but for some reason it won't cut.

I tried using CTRL+X but it won't do it. When I highlight it and try cutting it using the File option, it's not highlighted. I don't know if it's something where I have to reinstall the program but if anyone has any tips on how to help me, it would be greatly appreciated.

It sounds like you've just paused the riff during playback.  You can't cut or paste when the playback is paused.  You have to press stop. 


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I do have one question though. I'm trying to cut the intro of the riff in Audacity, but for some reason it won't cut.

I tried using CTRL+X but it won't do it. When I highlight it and try cutting it using the File option, it's not highlighted. I don't know if it's something where I have to reinstall the program but if anyone has any tips on how to help me, it would be greatly appreciated.

It sounds like you've just paused the riff during playback.  You can't cut or paste when the playback is paused.  You have to press stop. 

Yep. That's exactly what I did. I was gonna update my post but just forgot too. I'm starting to get the hang of Audacity and I actually did everything right except for the syncing of the movie with the riff, which is the main part of the process for obvious reasons.

I got another question: Is it essential to silence the audio before the riff? Say if i cut the intro but left the 3 seconds of silence before the riff, would I still be able to sync it or is it better to just silence it. When I watched the finished product, the audio & riff were off by like at least 7 seconds.


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I got another question: Is it essential to silence the audio before the riff? Say if i cut the intro but left the 3 seconds of silence before the riff, would I still be able to sync it or is it better to just silence it. When I watched the finished product, the audio & riff were off by like at least 7 seconds.

The silencing is optional, but highly recommended.  If you didn't do it, the riff would still sync up, but the final product would sound weird.  When you started your DVD, you'd hear a part of the intro, which would then sharply jump into the riff.

So like if there were 3 seconds that you left unsilenced, and that 3 seconds was from the start of the riff, you'd hear a few notes of the intro music, then an abrupt shift into a riff.  The movie would sync, but the beginning would sound weird.  You can see what I mean if you play the synced riff in Audacity before doing the silence.


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I meant to mention this earlier, but I've updated the top post of this thread to include a list of more difficult rips.  Also put in a plug for AnyDVD.  I've never used it, but it comes highly recommended.


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I'm not sure if this is completely relevant for this thread, but if anyone is having a hard time getting past the copyright protection for their DVD, I've had a pretty high success rate using a combination of DVD43 and DVD Decrypter.  Most of you are probably already familiar with DVD Decrypter, but I've found that DVD43 (which simply runs in the background when you pop in a DVD) helps out with those hard-to-decrypt DVDs that DVD Decrypter alone can't seem to decrypt. And best of all both are free:

http://www.dvd43.com/

http://www.dvddecrypter.org.uk/



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I'm not sure if this is completely relevant for this thread, but if anyone is having a hard time getting past the copyright protection for their DVD, I've had a pretty high success rate using a combination of DVD43 and DVD Decrypter.  Most of you are probably already familiar with DVD Decrypter, but I've found that DVD43 (which simply runs in the background when you pop in a DVD) helps out with those hard-to-decrypt DVDs that DVD Decrypter alone can't seem to decrypt. And best of all both are free:

http://www.dvd43.com/

http://www.dvddecrypter.org.uk/



Thanks for bringing up DVD43 - never heard of it before, and I'd definitely love to give it a try. I looked it up but found out that it's not compatible with Windows 7 (I don't know the technical mumbo jumbo, but something about 64 bit somethingorother...). Anyone know of anything else like this that would also be freeware?
Check out our iRiffs page for all of our riffs!

http://www.rifftrax.com/users/corny-commentaries


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I'm not sure if this is completely relevant for this thread, but if anyone is having a hard time getting past the copyright protection for their DVD, I've had a pretty high success rate using a combination of DVD43 and DVD Decrypter.  Most of you are probably already familiar with DVD Decrypter, but I've found that DVD43 (which simply runs in the background when you pop in a DVD) helps out with those hard-to-decrypt DVDs that DVD Decrypter alone can't seem to decrypt. And best of all both are free:

http://www.dvd43.com/

http://www.dvddecrypter.org.uk/

Cool.  I'll update the original post with that recommendation.


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Updated initial post with Misty's recommendation, and a link to an auto-ducking guide.


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Sweet  :)  Hope it helps someone out.


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I notice that this reauthoring guide ends up mixing the DVD audio down to a stereo track.  This is fine for most people but I like keeping my audio 5.1.

To do this I extract the AC3 audio out of the ripped DVD files with VirtualDub+MPEG2 plugin (File->Save WAV) -(though you don't need to do this if you extract the AC3 file in some other way, like the one in this reauthoring guide).  I open this in Audacity with the ffmpeg extension, it shows 6 channels of audio (FL,FR,Center,Sub,RL,RR).  I align the rifftrax with this and mix it into track 3 (you can mix it into track 1 or 2 if you prefer the audio to the left or right side).  Move the mixed track back up to being "Track 3".  Then in Audacity Preferences->Import/Export, choose "Custom Mix" instead of "Always mix tracks down".  Now, Export it in AC3 format (the ffmpeg plugin lets you do this too).

This preserves the 5.1 sound, and makes me happy.  Sometimes.
« Last Edit: May 08, 2010, 05:14:55 PM by byuni »


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Ugh.

Okay, my plan for the week was to get caught up with my Rifftrax authoring. And I have 90% of the movies done. But the stack I have remaining are all turning out to be problem cases. Here's the issue that I'm having.

These discs (Paranormal Activity, New Moon, even Poltergeist and others) have copy protection that requires me to use DVD Fab make a "clean" copy of the disc, which I then can rip and use to make a disc. And I've done this with other discs with no problems. But with these particular discs, when I open them up in a DVD player, they're fine. But when I rip them, the audio is fine, but the video is short. Not truncated, but sped up. The video for  Paranormal Activity, for example, is a half hour shorter than the audio track. I've tried using DVD Decrypter and Rejig and they both have the same result. This is driving me nuts. Are there any alternate programs that I should be trying here?


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Ugh.

Okay, my plan for the week was to get caught up with my Rifftrax authoring. And I have 90% of the movies done. But the stack I have remaining are all turning out to be problem cases. Here's the issue that I'm having.

These discs (Paranormal Activity, New Moon, even Poltergeist and others) have copy protection that requires me to use DVD Fab make a "clean" copy of the disc, which I then can rip and use to make a disc. And I've done this with other discs with no problems. But with these particular discs, when I open them up in a DVD player, they're fine. But when I rip them, the audio is fine, but the video is short. Not truncated, but sped up. The video for  Paranormal Activity, for example, is a half hour shorter than the audio track. I've tried using DVD Decrypter and Rejig and they both have the same result. This is driving me nuts. Are there any alternate programs that I should be trying here?

I used DVD fab for a while, but i've pretty much fallen in love with AnyDVD.  because every single disc that comes out seems to have copy protection, I have learned to follow the same plan for every re-author.  I open anyDVD to remove the copy protection then I use DVDshrink to make a movie-only ISO copy.  I mount that using virtual clone drive and then use re-jig to demux and using that formula (which may take a bit longer) I have had zero problems re-authoring.  The biggest pain in the butt I had was Independence Day, which turned out to be not one, but two faulty discs.  I had the problems you were describing with that one, but mine just turned out to be a skip in the disc.  I have a hard time believing that all your discs are scratched though.  I strongly suggest using DVDshrink to make the movie-only ISO then mounting it and going with whatever you normally do to demux and edit. 


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Ok, I had my first problem with DVD43 (the freebie alternative to AnyDVD).  I tried ripping The Dark Knight and Star Trek (2009) with DVD Decrypter while DVD43 ran in the background.  Both DVDs kept coming back with I/O problems so I thought there was just something wrong with the discs.  After getting different DVDs for each movie, I was still getting the same error.  I finally broke down and got AnyDVD.  Both The Dark Knight and Star Trek ripped perfectly.

Conclusion, while DVD43 has worked great for me for older DVDs, it may not work so well for some of the latest blockbusters. Just a warning for anyone who was looking to use it.