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Re: General Game News
« Reply #330 on: July 06, 2012, 11:56:41 AM »
Final Fantasy VII confirmed to be re released for PC.

Two posts above you! Hey listen! Hey listen!

Oh well. In other older name news (Doc? You still there?)...

The Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic Collection is apparently on the way on July 17. You'll get KOTOR 1 & 2 in a single package. And no, 2 hasn't been finished. PC only release, but $20 for the pair. It's a good way for the high speed deficient to get a copy of these still great games. Well, one great one and one slightly unfinished one.


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Re: General Game News
« Reply #331 on: July 06, 2012, 03:27:04 PM »
Terribly sorry.  Thought it was still at the rumor stage when you posted that.


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Re: General Game News
« Reply #332 on: July 08, 2012, 08:09:58 PM »
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And no, 2 hasn't been finished.

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Re: General Game News
« Reply #333 on: July 08, 2012, 09:23:32 PM »
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And no, 2 hasn't been finished.

lazy slobs  >:(

There is a mod that does it, though.   8)



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Re: General Game News
« Reply #334 on: July 08, 2012, 09:33:05 PM »
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And no, 2 hasn't been finished.

lazy slobs  >:(

There is a mod that does it, though.   8)

that dose not excuse them for not fixing it them self's
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Re: General Game News
« Reply #335 on: July 10, 2012, 12:38:05 PM »
Two bits of game news today.

One, a popular webcomic is running a KS to keep them ad free for a year. I'll let them do their own promotion for this though. (Hint- It's Grug.)

(Another hint- Well, no it's not.)

And two- A new console also got an announcement/Kickstarter today- The Ouya

It's basically an Android phone/table tablet turned into a console. It's an interesting idea especially given the recent influx of games for the mobile systems, but it's also collecting donations like mad- about $100k per hour so far today. And they expect to sell it at around $100 per unit. (Maybe slightly higher after the KS ends.) Unlike the Phantom, this one looks like it'll actually hit the market.

Edit- Gah! Funded already. 1.1 million in about 12 hours.
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Re: General Game News
« Reply #336 on: July 10, 2012, 01:13:57 PM »
Well, I just reserved my Ouya.


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Re: General Game News
« Reply #337 on: July 11, 2012, 03:25:03 PM »
Anyone familiar with Defense Grid? You know, the tower defense game on Steam that approximately 30% of all Steam users have played (No joke) and is currently on sale? Well, they're trying to KS a sequel: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/hiddenpath/defense-grid-2

It's one of my favorite tower defense games and if you like the game or the genre, you might want to back this.


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Re: General Game News
« Reply #338 on: July 12, 2012, 11:01:33 AM »
Reuters is reporting that Vivendi, which is pretty deep in debt at the moment,  is thinking about selling and/or spinning off some of its divisions. And the division that's getting named the most is Activision/Blizzard. And here's a note from a game industry website:
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The idea is that by selling Activision Blizzard the French media conglomerate could raise about $10 billion. Those who may be interested include cash-rich firms like China's Tencent, media giant Time Warner, Microsoft, as well as private-equity heavyweights KKR, Providence and Blackstone, according to banking sources.

Microsoft buying Actiblizz would likely be a huge boon for the 360 and sequel box, but with the new hardware on the way , Microsoft might be loathe to spend that cash right now. And the thought of Tencent buying them... ugh, no.


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Re: General Game News
« Reply #339 on: July 12, 2012, 12:19:24 PM »
Wait a minute...Vivendi purchased Sierra way back, and it got absorbed into Activision/Blizzard.  Vivendi has been holding onto all the adventure game assets, not with any intent to release new games, but simply to hold the licenses in the off-chance they want to use them.  And as the last few years have proven, those have been a massive boon, what with all the original game designers getting their own Kickstart projects off the ground and Vivendi not doing crap with any of them since the early 2000s (or earlier...when did Gabriel Knight 3 come out?).

Maybe if they sell off components, Telltale might be willing to pick up a few extra licenses?  And we'll finally get the Guybrush Threepwood/Roger Wilco crossover we've all been...well, probably never have been waiting for!

Hey, if Mario & Sonic can face-off at the Olympics, anything can happen.  And I like to dream. ;)
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Re: General Game News
« Reply #340 on: July 12, 2012, 01:30:51 PM »
They're going to sell off Activision/Blizzard? Don't those companies make a ginormous amount of money? I guess you'd have to be seriously hard up to want to let go of the Starcraft/World of Warcraft/Call of Duty franchises.


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Re: General Game News
« Reply #341 on: July 12, 2012, 01:57:37 PM »
Well, if it's anything like Hollywood book-cooking, you have to remember the multi-million franchises like World of Warcraft and Call of Duty make no money.  Doesn't matter if the game cost $15 million to make and sold 500 billion copies at $60 apiece...it didn't make money.  That's what the accountants say, and therefore they are unable to pay a bunch of people responsible for making the game (or film, as the case may be) because of all sorts of issues involving "runovers" and "distribution" and "marketing" that they simply can't pay out as much as they originally thought.

I didn't want to use smileys above as I normally do, because the sarcasm required for this would make the forum explode.  I've been doing box office reviews for a website for some time, and the first real question about the accounting shenanigans came from when I saw the third Narnia movie made $400+ million in worldwide sales.  It cost about a third of that, about $150 million.  The previous film was more expensive, but also made almost $500 million.  They genuinely had discussions about making the fourth Narnia movie (which I guess isn't happening since there's been no word as far as I know in two years) because neither film "made any money."  I'm sorry, but when you make 3 times the film's budget and place your movie worldwide in the top 100 grossers of all-time list, there's no way you can tell me the movie didn't make money.  The key word here is not if the movie made money, but if it made "enough" money.  That's a very subjective term, and when some analyst says you should make $300 million personally on a movie and it only makes $299 million for you, you could technically say it didn't meet expectations, even though you got 99% of what the guy told you you would make.

I'm guessing it's the same thing for Vivendi.  They may be making millions on Call of Duty, but they're putting an investment in it and hoping they make back billions.  When they don't, they're not happy with the huge sums of money they've made and think it would be better if someone else carried the load.

Of course, it could be a "diminishing returns" effect, meaning even though they made a boatload with MW3, it was a slightly smaller boatload than for MW2, so better to sell it before MW4 comes out and makes only enough money to fill a swimming pool instead of the yacht.  On a pure bottom line viewing, it makes sense.  In terms of rationality and common sense, it's idiotic.  Every artistic endeavor from video games to film, regardless of franchise or freshness, is a crapshoot.  Duke Nukem was the hottest thing until 3D Realms let ego get in the way of actual product.  And who knows, Modern Warfare 4 could be "the greatest thing we've ever seen" or "the Batman & Robin of videogame entries."  Thing is, you don't know until it comes out, ever.  Winners and losers come from everywhere, and previous success is no guarantee, no matter how you hedge your bets.

Long story short (too late), I can understand them wanting to sell it because of future projections, but at the same time moneycrunchers never seem to realize you can't predict creativity.  It's a very odd business.
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Re: General Game News
« Reply #342 on: July 12, 2012, 03:45:47 PM »
I'll disagree here with SJP on why Vivendi is trying to sell. Firstly, game companies tend to not work the same way as movie studios do.  Game studios are quite vocal about making money. There's seldom someone involved who make a share of the gross, ala the movies, so when Call of Duty MW3 makes a billion in sales in 16 days, Activision is rather vocal about it. Ditto for Wow subscription numbers. ActiBlizz happily notes that it made a billion in profits last year.

What is instead going on is two things- One, Vivendi has a huge debt right now, about 15 billion dollars. They've lost their CEO and the banks, especially in Europe, are getting antsy. They need cash and they need it soon, so they're shopping around their most valuable assets- their share in Activision. (Some reports also say that SFR, a French telecom, is also on the bloc, but that's less likely.)

And two, they may be trying to dump Activision while it's still valuable. There's a lot of unease in computer/console land lately. Console sales numbers were down last year (Businessweek says that they fell 6% last year.) There's a huge push in MMORPG-land right now towards free to play over subscription, which would be a huge hit to Blizz's numbers. And a lot of the growth in computer gaming seems to be coming in the phone/tablet market, rather than in consoles. Spending $300 million to do the next CoD isn't a good idea if you think the potential buyer is just going to spend his or her time playing Farmville or Angry Birds instead.  It's the business equivalent of "Apple's coming out with a new model of iPad soon. I better sell my old one now while it's still worth something."

And, just for the curious, Vivendi also owns:
Studio Canal (Film/TV)
Universal Music Group
3 Telecom companies

Honestly, if they expect growth in the telecoms (and trends certainly seem to point that way), you'd want to get rid of the entertainment companies, and Activision would get you most of the way of your the cash hole.


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Re: General Game News
« Reply #343 on: July 12, 2012, 04:19:52 PM »
That sounds reasonable, and more informed about Vivendi's holdings than I am.  But yeah, thinking about it, European entertainment companies are definitely a flat part of the economy right now.  And following trends like that DO make sense, when it comes to "Free-to-play to a certain point" versus "paid subscription."  But is the budget for Call of Duty really $300 mil?  I'd think it'd be high but not "bigger than John Carter" high.  I do know that Bulletstorm sold quite a few copies and Epic said they lost money on it, but that would really only be about the $20-$30 million range, wouldn't it?
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Re: General Game News
« Reply #344 on: July 12, 2012, 06:18:32 PM »
But is the budget for Call of Duty really $300 mil?

Pulled that number out of thin air actually as a hypothetical number for a future game. 2009's MW2 cost about 50 million to make and another 150 million for advertising so when combined a $300 million number wouldn't be too out of line for a release in the next year or two.