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The Brothers what?
« on: November 09, 2008, 11:43:24 PM »
Can anyone tell me what book fievel is talking about? In return a piece of my childhood
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Re: The Brothers what?
« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2008, 02:34:43 AM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Brothers_Karamazov

This is very disturbing because now I don't know if the movie is implying that Fievel is doubting the existence of God or if he wants to kill his father.   ???
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Re: The Brothers what?
« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2008, 05:31:49 AM »
I read that book. It's pretty hard to get through, but very fantastic. Dostoevsky is still the bain of my existence though. (grumble)


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Re: The Brothers what?
« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2008, 05:42:14 AM »
See it's lazy because it's a vaguely familiar Russian book, I'm surprised they didn't say War and Peace.

It would have been cooler if Fievel had said Crime and Punishment or Notes From The Underground.



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Re: The Brothers what?
« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2008, 05:47:18 AM »
hmmm Crime and Punishment is more well known than Brothers K I thought, but I totally agree. It was (insert Russian novel here). They should have really blown kids minds and told them to Gogol


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Re: The Brothers what?
« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2008, 05:50:24 AM »
Probably now, but amongst those who made that, the Brothers would have been more familiar, many of them come form the same generation that Charles Schultz was depicting in Peanuts and there's at these three or four strips of that in which Linus is reading or references TBK.

Yeah Dead Souls would have been great, or hey some Turgenev.
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Re: The Brothers what?
« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2008, 06:00:37 AM »
Let's face it, there's a lot of weird Russian Literature out there. I like Russian Literature   >:D


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Re: The Brothers what?
« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2008, 06:15:27 AM »
Ah but there just one more thing, without C&P we'd not have this:

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Compare the plot of any episode of that to the plot of C&P and you'll see what I mean


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Re: The Brothers what?
« Reply #8 on: November 10, 2008, 09:26:38 PM »
The Brothers Kramazov is more profound in that it poses concrete questons about what it means to have faith in both God and Man in the light of the horrors of modernity*. 

*Dostoevsky's "modernity" begins a few decades earlier than it does for Western authors.  For Dostoevsky, the horror of modern man is that he has rationalized himself away from God and departed his "native soil." 


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Re: The Brothers what?
« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2008, 04:58:54 AM »
That's all well and good, but I really don't think that has anything to do with it turning up in Fievel Goes West


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Re: The Brothers what?
« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2008, 05:24:40 AM »
I would just like to point out that there ain't no way Fievel, being so young, could understand THe Brothers K, let alone think it's his fave book.


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Re: The Brothers what?
« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2008, 05:27:16 AM »
Also a good point and, unlike Linus, he's not shown to be an insufferably intellectually precocious brat.


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Re: The Brothers what?
« Reply #12 on: November 11, 2008, 07:02:51 AM »


"...and that's what Dostoevsky is all about, Charlie Brown."
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Re: The Brothers what?
« Reply #13 on: November 13, 2008, 05:10:21 PM »
That's all well and good, but I really don't think that has anything to do with it turning up in Fievel Goes West

Sure it does.  Fievel must go West in order to attain rapprochement with pochvennichestvo.

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Re: The Brothers what?
« Reply #14 on: November 14, 2008, 05:02:33 AM »
That scene is from the first movie.