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Re: Rifftrax Book Club # 3: The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier and Clay
« Reply #45 on: August 17, 2008, 08:24:18 PM »
Thought I'd chime in here and say that because my books didn't arrive on Friday, I decided to read Kavalier and Clay again.  I don't know what point you guys are up to, but I'm on...er...page 390-something.


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Re: Rifftrax Book Club # 3: The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier and Clay
« Reply #46 on: August 17, 2008, 08:42:49 PM »
well the first discussion point was after part 1. Now we are going to read to part 2 and then discuss again.


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Re: Rifftrax Book Club # 3: The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier and Clay
« Reply #47 on: August 18, 2008, 05:02:36 AM »
Yeah I think that would work pretty well.

So meet bacjk here in a couple of days then :)

Oh and Basehart, if you want to join the club, you can choose the book after boingo2000 (who gets to choose the book after this one) :)


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Re: Rifftrax Book Club # 3: The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier and Clay
« Reply #48 on: August 19, 2008, 06:54:13 PM »
Erm, so I've finished the book.  I'll be waiting impatiently for you guys to get to the end of part II.  :)

and Basehart, if you want to join the club, you can choose the book after boingo2000 (who gets to choose the book after this one) :)

Hmm...  Possibly.  Are there any guidelines to the choice?


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Re: Rifftrax Book Club # 3: The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier and Clay
« Reply #49 on: August 19, 2008, 07:03:24 PM »
Try to keep it vaguely literary, which means no an absolute ban on genre fiction but if you go with a genre piece try to go for a writer who transcends whatever genre they are writing in (Kurt Vonnegut or Cormac McCarthy for example)

Really the main guideline is "will this lend itself to interesting discussions?"  :)


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Re: Rifftrax Book Club # 3: The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier and Clay
« Reply #50 on: August 22, 2008, 11:26:02 AM »
I've finished Part II.


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Re: Rifftrax Book Club # 3: The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier and Clay
« Reply #51 on: August 24, 2008, 12:28:24 PM »
Me too, and since you're the first to finish, how about you post some discussion points :)


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Re: Rifftrax Book Club # 3: The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier and Clay
« Reply #52 on: August 28, 2008, 09:01:49 AM »
I have reaached the discussion point, and I have plenty to say! But my notes are at home, so I will post them laters.


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Re: Rifftrax Book Club # 3: The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier and Clay
« Reply #53 on: September 08, 2008, 05:04:37 PM »
Me too, and since you're the first to finish, how about you post some discussion points :)

It took me a while to pull my head out of my schpadoinkle, but here goes:

First off, as a comic book fan, I really like the Escapist's origin story (though interestingly, I like it more as the prose presented in this book then when Chabon wrote it as an actual comic book story.  (Clay's other characters are decent, too).  And since Davy O'Dowd brought it up, what elements do you guys of Joe and Sam in the Escapist's story?  Big Al is obviously a fictionalized version of The Mighty Molecule (if you need any evidence, I present the fact that he's the only one out of the entire cast of supporting characters who gets more then a half sentence of backstory) and Max Mayflower is more then likely a Kornblum substitute, but is there anything else?

I'm a fan of Chabon's ability to evoke the period of 1939 New York (not that I've even been to 1939 New York), and his ability to paint a portrait of a newly developing art form (the comic book)'s growing pains.  It didn't know that it grew out of the novelty toy business, but it makes sense if you think about it for any length of time.  For that matter, you've got to respect how well-drawn the character of Sheldon Anapol is, considering he could very easily have been the gruff boss cliche.  He's likable enough that you can see why Sam respects him, but it's still heartbreaking when Anapol takes editorial control away from him in favour of Deasey.

In the same vein, I really respect Sam for waling away from the deal.  Had I been in the same position, I would have taken any compromise, especially with the fate of the entire Kavalier family in Prague weighing on the results of the choices made at that moment - I would have buckled like a belt.

I know I've said more about Clay then Kavalier here, but that's because I've always found him the more interesting character.  It's probably due to the fact that I'm more a fan of writers than artists - when it comes to comic books in general, I'm willing to overlook a poorly drawn story if the plot is good, but spectacular art doesn't pardon an uninvolving plotline.  IMHO.


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Re: Rifftrax Book Club # 3: The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier and Clay
« Reply #54 on: September 08, 2008, 07:43:01 PM »
Ok I loved the origin story too, and I didn't know about the Graphic novels so I'll have to check those out. I remember thinking when Joe states "I wish he was real", that I did too, not actually real but real in the sense of there being an actual set of stories about him (i love pulp fiction so i'd have loved to have read The Escapist, either in graphic or text form).

I like writers best of all too but actually I'm most interested in Kavalier (well actually I'm pretty interested in Rosa, but that's another story ;)) I like that, in Prague he's a sophisticated young man just starting out in the world yet, once he reaches New York he has been reduced to the exotic European.

He reminds me of a guy that worked in the Kitchens at the Summer Camp I used to run. Back home (in the Czech Republic as it happened) he was on his way to getting a PhD in physics but most people, not knowing this, just thought he was a strange little guy from eastern Europe.

I think both Big Al and Omar are different facets of the Mighty molecule, Big Al, is his strength and his surprisingly sensitive nature while Omar has the touches of the bizarre, many of them more affectation than actuality.

Not sure about Miss Plum Blossom though.


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Re: Rifftrax Book Club # 3: The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier and Clay
« Reply #55 on: September 08, 2008, 07:59:15 PM »
I like the involvement of magic in the book, which is something that seems to transmute from Joe's tutelage with Kornblum to his creation of The Escapist, which I see is more of a oblique form of illusion and not just the direct form of escapism that both the cousins are trying to achieve.

Oh and Tripe, I wouldn't bother with the graphic novels.  I've read a couple of them, and they rarely match the quality of Chabon's writing.  Even when Chabon writes a couple of them.


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Re: Rifftrax Book Club # 3: The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier and Clay
« Reply #56 on: September 09, 2008, 07:49:01 AM »
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Re: Rifftrax Book Club # 3: The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier and Clay
« Reply #57 on: November 09, 2008, 06:16:58 PM »
ok, so clearly our little book club has fallen to the wayside. It's probably because I picked a long novel and then I wasn't even able to read cause I was studying for that damn comp exam. So, guys, should we finish Kavalier and Clay or move on?


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Re: Rifftrax Book Club # 3: The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier and Clay
« Reply #58 on: November 10, 2008, 05:22:05 AM »
I think we should finish. Once you're clear of exams we should go ahead and finish the thing.


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Re: Rifftrax Book Club # 3: The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier and Clay
« Reply #59 on: November 10, 2008, 05:33:12 AM »
i am momentarily clear of exams. I have one in January and then one in MArch or April.

BTA, Basehart, boingo2000, what say ye?