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Title: Name the most stupid thing about the Star Wars Prequels.
Post by: Road_Element on November 22, 2006, 05:30:49 PM
Ill start. O.k. this one thing i never got. Amidala was a elected queen. Now i can understand if this was a monarchy. But to believe that a people would pick a 15 year old girl to be there elected leader is very unbelievable to me.
Title: Re: Name the most stupid thing about the Star Wars Prequels.
Post by: mrbasehart on November 22, 2006, 05:47:43 PM
I could just say "everything", but that would be cheating.   ;D

OK.  How about the Naboo, who seem to live underwater with fabulous technology, yet are about as smart as a concussed Jessica Simpson.
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Post by: PsypherPunk on November 23, 2006, 03:58:43 AM
Midi-chlorians  ::)
Title: Re: Name the most stupid thing about the Star Wars Prequels.
Post by: Winterkid on November 23, 2006, 04:11:29 AM
OK.  How about the Naboo, who seem to live underwater with fabulous technology, yet are about as smart as a concussed Jessica Simpson.
You're thinking of the "Gungans"  *Shrug*  Not that I give a flying leap about them.  *nod*

Alright, assuming everything else is taken in stride, the pod race, the midiclorians (SP?), Jar Jar *vomits*...

How come we didn't see more of Darth Maul's action?  One of the kewlest characters in the movie, he gets like 10 to 15 minutes of actual on-screen action time.  The pod race was longer than all his action combined!
Title: Re: Name the most stupid thing about the Star Wars Prequels.
Post by: Teaflax on November 23, 2006, 05:35:54 AM
How come we didn't see more of Darth Maul's action?  One of the kewlest characters in the movie, he gets like 10 to 15 minutes of actual on-screen action time. 

The same kind of bright thinking and understanding of what could be fun, cool and liked by fans that made Lucas kill off Boba Fett right at the very beginning of Jedi.

I am now completely convinced that Star Wars and Empire were total flukes.
Title: Re: Name the most stupid thing about the Star Wars Prequels.
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on November 23, 2006, 06:46:11 AM
My biggest problem with the prequels was Jar Jar, but that goes without saying!  ;)

Case in point: why, I ask you, WHY, was Jar Jar allowed to tag along as Qui-Gon went in search for replacement parts on Tatooine? He obviously doesn't fit in to the environment, and I don't think it would be commonplace for people to have Gungan servants on Tatooine. What help could he provide? None. Nothing but comic relief. Qui-Gon even said they wanted to blend in, which is why he didn't want to include Padme, so why the hell would he bring Jar Jar along??? Really, Lucas. You have to do better than that.


The second biggest problem with the prequels is the acting. Sure, the dialog was crap for the most part, but it's like many of the actors didn't even try. So often throughout the prequels I was rolling my eyes at not only the dialog, but the delivery. None of the heart of the originals existed in the prequels.

But complaining won't change a thing.  ;)
Title: Re: Name the most stupid thing about the Star Wars Prequels.
Post by: Sharktopus on November 23, 2006, 06:05:02 PM
My biggest problem with the prequels was Jar Jar, but that goes without saying!  ;)

Case in point: why, I ask you, WHY, was Jar Jar allowed to tag along as Qui-Gon went in search for replacement parts on Tatooine? He obviously doesn't fit in to the environment, and I don't think it would be commonplace for people to have Gungan servants on Tatooine. What help could he provide? None. Nothing but comic relief. Qui-Gon even said they wanted to blend in, which is why he didn't want to include Padme, so why the hell would he bring Jar Jar along??? Really, Lucas. You have to do better than that.


The second biggest problem with the prequels is the acting. Sure, the dialog was crap for the most part, but it's like many of the actors didn't even try. So often throughout the prequels I was rolling my eyes at not only the dialog, but the delivery. None of the heart of the originals existed in the prequels.

But complaining won't change a thing.  ;)

If he really wanted to blend in he shouldn't have had an astromech droid follow him around in the desert, either.

My biggest issue with the prequels, beside their general suckitude, is either midichlorians  ::), or the fact that all the wisest, most powerful Jedi Masters in the galaxy didn't have the slightest inkling the the Sith were operating right under their noses.  ???
Title: Re: Name the most stupid thing about the Star Wars Prequels.
Post by: Road_Element on November 28, 2006, 12:56:29 PM
Another thing that was stupid in this movie. The stupid clown makup and stupid costume for the queen.
Title: Re: Name the most stupid thing about the Star Wars Prequels.
Post by: Winterkid on November 28, 2006, 01:35:42 PM
Yes, the Queen of Clown College.  I've seen better royal outfits from the Medieval ages, and that was famous for it's grungy colorless costumes.  Did they get her outfits/makeup from prototype drawings for the new Ronald McDonald?
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Post by: Bob on November 28, 2006, 01:45:59 PM
My biggest issue was the whole concept of prequels...... they really have no suspense.   

"Oh dear, I hope the kid does not die in the pod race..... oh wait, he grows up to be Vader"
"Oh dear, I hope Darth Maul does not kill Obi Wan..... oh wait, he is in the later movies"
Title: Re: Name the most stupid thing about the Star Wars Prequels.
Post by: 6079SmithW on November 28, 2006, 03:24:58 PM
The ENTIRE POINT of all three movies is to explain why Anakin goes to the dark side, but aside from a few really poorly placed and obvious hints, it gets a total of maybe five minutes in III, none of which make any damn sense. Seriously, he goes from 95% nice guy with a small dark side to baby killer at the drop of a hat, because he is for some reason very easily convinced both that his wife will die and that magical darkside powers are the only thing that will stop it. Then he murders his wife almost immediately, because somehow he has absolutely no hesitation about pursuing the course of evil, while he did nothing but ponder and snivel the whole damn time he was light side.


Gah, I'm changing my vote for the worst film back to three. It had a chance of being good and redeeming to some tiny degree the other two movies and completely blew it.
Title: Re: Name the most stupid thing about the Star Wars Prequels.
Post by: Killer Shrew on November 28, 2006, 04:37:23 PM
The ENTIRE POINT of all three movies is to explain why Anakin goes to the dark side, but aside from a few really poorly placed and obvious hints, it gets a total of maybe five minutes in III, none of which make any damn sense. Seriously, he goes from 95% nice guy with a small dark side to baby killer at the drop of a hat, because he is for some reason very easily convinced both that his wife will die and that magical darkside powers are the only thing that will stop it. Then he murders his wife almost immediately, because somehow he has absolutely no hesitation about pursuing the course of evil, while he did nothing but ponder and snivel the whole damn time he was light side.


Gah, I'm changing my vote for the worst film back to three. It had a chance of being good and redeeming to some tiny degree the other two movies and completely blew it.

I agree with you definitely on the point about Anakin.  His transition to the dark side should have took longer and spread throughout the prequels more, and there should have been a better reason other than that he had a dream where his wife dies.

My biggest gripe was how easily the jedi fell. How does the most powerful force in the galaxy get wiped out in one day?  It's still kind of funny how some of the jedi masters fell in seconds, yet you have one of the kid jedis, the one Senator Organa saw get killed, was able to not only to sneak passed Anakin to get outside, but killed a bunch of troopers before being shot. It didn't make sense!

As far as Episode I, which I hate the most, the most stupid things: jar jar (obvious), actor who played anakin (sooo annoying), how Anakin comes into the service of the Jedi (win a pod race, become a jedi), and how Anakin destroyed the space station at the end (he doesn't know how to pilot the ship, yet he beats the bad guys)

I could go on about how stupidly everything happens in all the prequels, but it would take too much time.
Title: Re: Name the most stupid thing about the Star Wars Prequels.
Post by: Tyrant on November 28, 2006, 04:45:48 PM
The ENTIRE POINT of all three movies is to explain why Anakin goes to the dark side, but aside from a few really poorly placed and obvious hints, it gets a total of maybe five minutes in III, none of which make any damn sense. Seriously, he goes from 95% nice guy with a small dark side to baby killer at the drop of a hat, because he is for some reason very easily convinced both that his wife will die and that magical darkside powers are the only thing that will stop it. Then he murders his wife almost immediately, because somehow he has absolutely no hesitation about pursuing the course of evil, while he did nothing but ponder and snivel the whole damn time he was light side.


Gah, I'm changing my vote for the worst film back to three. It had a chance of being good and redeeming to some tiny degree the other two movies and completely blew it.

      This is because Lucas writes broad and sweeping space operas. Things like Anakin being seduced by the Dark Side of the Force, which just by suggestion indicates a gradual and subtle psychological shift over a period of time, requires a delicate and detailed writing hand. Something Lucas evidently couldn't handle.

     The most stupid thing about the prequels was that there were prequels. I liked Revenge of the Sith okay but I could have lived the rest of my life with just the original trilogy.
Title: Re: Name the most stupid thing about the Star Wars Prequels.
Post by: Rude on November 28, 2006, 05:14:09 PM
It's still kind of funny how some of the jedi masters fell in seconds, yet you have one of the kid jedis, the one Senator Organa saw get killed, was able to not only to sneak passed Anakin to get outside, but killed a bunch of troopers before being shot. It didn't make sense!

I could be wrong, but i think that was one of Lucas' kids... which might help explain that whole ridiculous scene~

Anyway, i thought the prequels started way too far back. I don't care how cute and adorable Anakin was as a little boy. All three films should have shifted forward so that Anakin ends up in the suit at some point during the second film. Part three should have lead more directly into part four, i think.

Also, i hate how everything looked so new and shiny and so, completely not like the Star Wars universe that appears in the original trilogy.Those are my biggest disappointments...

Otherwise:

1. Midi-chlorians

2. Jango Fett

3. Death during labor.

-Rude
Title: Re: Name the most stupid thing about the Star Wars Prequels.
Post by: BathTub on November 28, 2006, 09:15:31 PM
It's still kind of funny how some of the jedi masters fell in seconds, yet you have one of the kid jedis, the one Senator Organa saw get killed, was able to not only to sneak passed Anakin to get outside, but killed a bunch of troopers before being shot. It didn't make sense!

I could be wrong, but i think that was one of Lucas' kids... which might help explain that whole ridiculous scene~

At least he didn't put close ups of his own kids everytime he could like LOTR, damn I hated that. Oh there are his kids, oh there they are again, and there they are again...
Title: Re: Name the most stupid thing about the Star Wars Prequels.
Post by: 6079SmithW on November 28, 2006, 09:21:46 PM
It's still kind of funny how some of the jedi masters fell in seconds, yet you have one of the kid jedis, the one Senator Organa saw get killed, was able to not only to sneak passed Anakin to get outside, but killed a bunch of troopers before being shot. It didn't make sense!

I could be wrong, but i think that was one of Lucas' kids... which might help explain that whole ridiculous scene~

At least he didn't put close ups of his own kids everytime he could like LOTR, damn I hated that. Oh there are his kids, oh there they are again, and there they are again...
I never noticed it, but then, I wasn't actively searching for reasons to hate Jackson.

Lucas, on the other hand, managed to flip me from "This could still be good" to "Gathering evidence to prove how awful it is to my friends" in under 2.7 Gungans.
Title: Re: Name the most stupid thing about the Star Wars Prequels.
Post by: BathTub on November 28, 2006, 10:30:12 PM
It wasn't intentional, I love the films. It's just they are very distinctive, they are the hobbit kids bilbo scares with the troll story. Then scared human kiddies at Helms Deep, and then Gondorian kids in Return of the King.  And all three times they get big close ups, if they were just part of the crowd it wouldn't be so bad.
Title: Re: Name the most stupid thing about the Star Wars Prequels.
Post by: davo on December 01, 2006, 08:38:11 AM
1 the senate has no satellite capabilities whatsoever.
    umm..OK. communications are knocked out on Naboo.  you're telling me noone has a satellite that took pictures of the huge invading force that broke atmosphere?  NOONE can get a picture of masses of ground troops taking over the capital building atleast?

2. the Senate doesn't allow TESTIMONY FROM EYEWITNESSES!??!?? 
     this just struck me while watching with the rifftrax: why doesn't amidala get Qui-Gon & Kenobi to testify that yes her planet has been taken over?  seems like an easy end to an easy problem.

3. amidala & her entourage are horses rear ends.
     none of them thought to bring any evidence of the invasion? especially the jedi.

4. Anakin suffers from "john connor syndrome" ala terminator 2.  a kid as young as he is could not possibly know that much about technology,let alone the rest of the world. (even if he were taught 16 hrs a day from infanthood)  no 8-10 year old is that tough or that wise.


OK.  How about the Naboo, who seem to live underwater with fabulous technology, yet are about as smart as a concussed Jessica Simpson.

BWAHAHA! that's priceless
Title: Re: Name the most stupid thing about the Star Wars Prequels.
Post by: MSTJedi on December 15, 2006, 08:15:52 PM
Here's what got me the most during my first viewing of Phantom Menace: the Force being Anakin's daddy. WTF? I can understand Lucas' misguided attempt to explain the Jedi's connection to the Force through midichlorians. I can understand him trying to insert inane comedy relief through Jar Jar. But what the hell was he thinking when he decided to make Anakin into a messiah figure? Couldn't he have made his father some Jedi who had left the order like Dooku? I mean, come on!
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Post by: KingOfShippers on December 19, 2006, 07:21:22 PM
ah where to begin The Gungans (Frankly i still wish Vader had gone back to Naboo to kill them all) that were as stupid as horse droppings Shmi doing a Mary Darth Maul biting the dust after what must have been only ten minutes of seeing him fight and Anakin dear lord he was almost as annoying as Jar-Jar in the Phantom Menace and he then becomes the whiny jerk you see in episodes II and III
Title: Re: Name the most stupid thing about the Star Wars Prequels.
Post by: Sharktopus on December 20, 2006, 05:03:45 AM
ah where to begin The Gungans (Frankly i still wish Vader had gone back to Naboo to kill them all) that were as stupid as horse droppings Shmi doing a Mary Darth Maul biting the dust after what must have been only ten minutes of seeing him fight and Anakin dear lord he was almost as annoying as Jar-Jar in the Phantom Menace and he then becomes the whiny jerk you see in episodes II and III

Who's to say Vader didn't massacre the Gungans? We'll just ignore the Gungan cheering in the new ending of Jedi and assume they all died.

Also, punctuation is your friend.

Title: Re: Name the most stupid thing about the Star Wars Prequels.
Post by: Ranika on December 20, 2006, 05:48:30 AM
The Gungans cheering at the end of Jedi... Wow. I'd actually forgotten that was put in, and I just watched it last week. I think maybe my mind just blocked them out.
Title: Re: Name the most stupid thing about the Star Wars Prequels.
Post by: Sharktopus on December 20, 2006, 05:53:53 AM
The Gungans cheering at the end of Jedi... Wow. I'd actually forgotten that was put in, and I just watched it last week. I think maybe my mind just blocked them out.

I'm truly sorry I reminded you. I only remember because my buddy and I both went "WHAT WAS THAT," backed up the movie, turned up the volume, and made sure we heard what we thought we heard.
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Post by: Ranika on December 20, 2006, 05:58:33 AM
I don't mind the injection of other things in the end, really, but does Lucas simply not know how people feel about his damn Gungans? Is he really that naive/sheltered? I mean, he's obviously some kind of crazy manchild, but you'd think he'd at least be able to understand the blatant feelings of hate toward those things. I figured maybe he must have grasped this by watching the prequels; Jar Jar's role is diminished to only a few lines in Clones, then none (that I recall) in Revenge. Then he decides to slap a gaggle of those freaks into Jedi.
Title: Re: Name the most stupid thing about the Star Wars Prequels.
Post by: Sharktopus on December 20, 2006, 06:02:45 AM
I think he had hoped that by linking the original trilogies more strongly with the prequels, some of the good feelings we harbor for the originals (in spite of Gunganish things like ewoks and Lando's puppet copilot) might rub off on the prequels. Instead it backfired and just dirtied the originals a little more. I'm really curious whether he's blissfully unaware of fan reaction, or just doesn't care.
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Post by: mrbasehart on December 20, 2006, 06:16:28 AM
I'm really curious whether he's blissfully unaware of fan reaction, or just doesn't care.

Well, the extreme decrease in the amount of Jar-Jar in the next two films seems to indicate that he did listen somewhat.  It's a pity he didn't listen when people said, "For God's sake George! Stop!"  ;D
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Post by: kodiakthejuggler on December 20, 2006, 07:27:50 AM
I'm sure George felt like the little kid who got mad because all the other kids wanted him to play it their way, so he said "Gimme my football. I'm going home."


I'd also like to add that one of the things that irked me about the prequels was the over-use of digital doubles as Stormtroopers. I like that ILM is proud of their accomplishments, but lifelike human soldiers is not one of them. There wasn't a single scene involving digital doubles that didn't jump right out at me. What's the big deal, George?? It feels much more real when real humans don real Stormtrooper costumes and do real battle. And how about that scene in Ep 3 with Commander Cody and Obi Wan on the Lizard-bird-thingy? Commander Cody's head was floating over that digital double's body, and the effect was utterly laughable, almost as bad as the original Han dodging-Greedo's-blaster-and-shooting-second effect. The human body is the most difficult thing to mimic in a computer, because it's so damn easy to tell the difference. I think that's why the prequels didn't sit well with those who saw the original trilogy. Computers replaced humans, and it's still a few years away from perfection. It felt like the prequels starred computers, not humans.
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Post by: MSTJedi on December 20, 2006, 09:58:43 AM
Yeah, one of the things that always got me about the prequels was that the whole idea of A New Hope was that humans are better than machines. Lucas may have kept up the theme in the actual movies, but in the production of them he became a total hypocrite. He became corrupted by the power of CGI.
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Post by: Ranika on December 20, 2006, 11:11:16 AM
I think he had hoped that by linking the original trilogies more strongly with the prequels, some of the good feelings we harbor for the originals (in spite of Gunganish things like ewoks and Lando's puppet copilot) might rub off on the prequels. Instead it backfired and just dirtied the originals a little more. I'm really curious whether he's blissfully unaware of fan reaction, or just doesn't care.

Nothing in the original trilogy is near so annoying. Ewoks don't really bug me (not anymore anyway, they used to), nor does the really disturbing looking copilot (though his voice still catches me off guard, I used to know a guy who sounded just like that). I cannot manage to desensitize myself to the horror and annoyance of Gungans.
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Post by: Winterkid on December 20, 2006, 01:02:21 PM
Yeah, one of the things that always got me about the prequels was that the whole idea of A New Hope was that humans are better than machines. Lucas may have kept up the theme in the actual movies, but in the production of them he became a total hypocrite. He became corrupted by the power of CGI.

Luke  "Is the Dark side stronger?"
Yoda  "No.  Quicker, easier, more seductive"

George has turned to the darkside of filmmaking!  NOOOOOO!!!
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Post by: gammer on December 20, 2006, 01:06:15 PM
Jar Jar binks and the use of the CGI on the other characters.

C'mon, how hard would it be to do a battle scene with a bunch of extra's dressed as Wookies?
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Post by: MSTJedi on December 20, 2006, 09:51:47 PM
How hard would it have been to make at least a few of those clone trooper suits and get some extras for the helmeted troops? He also could've got the trooper actor to actually be there during the scenes where the helmet was off instead of digitally floating the head there. A lot of the decisions he made when it comes to the CGI effects seem to almost be on a dare. "Bet you can't make a trooper totally CGI except for the head!" Bleh!
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Post by: Nunyerbiz on December 21, 2006, 06:53:05 AM
The stupiest thing about the prequels was Episode One. As others have said, Anakin should have started out older. Obi-Wan should have been given something to do for the middle 90 minutes of the movie. Samuel L. Jackson should have been a villian... sorry, but hiring him as a level-headed good guy is wasting his gift as an actor. I would rather watch congressional sessions on C-SPAN then ever be subjected to anything involving Nute Gunray, Trade Federations, tax rates, Chancellors, etc. Hmmm... some backstory on how Palpatine became the super-badass Sith Lord?!?? Naw... it's time for the inner-workings of galactic government followed by a half hour of NASCAR of the future... err... I mean a long, long time ago NASCAR.

As hard as Lucas tried to clean up the load in his pants after Episode One, the next two films just couldn't overcome it. I'm not going to say that the acting and overall direction of "A New Hope" was anykind of masterpiece, but it wasn't an outright liability like in the prequels. Bad actors doing bad acting, good actors looking bored and uniterested. Just depressing... even if they got progressively less crappy, the prequels are still a pile of wasted promise.
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Post by: BBQ Platypus on December 21, 2006, 01:55:33 PM
I think that the two posts immediately preceding mine are both dead-on in their assessment of the prequels.  But I'd like to add one more thing (which other people probably already have added): the dialogue.  God, the dialogue was TERRIBLE.  Not just the words themselves, but the way that they're read!  Ugh...I cringe every time I have to watch Hayden Christianson attempting to emote (but sounding like a moron in the process) during the fight with Obi-Wan ("YOU UNDERESTIMATE MY POOOOWWER!").  Yuck.  I agree with what Mike said: "I never thought I'd say this, but I miss Mark Hammil."  (Or was it Kevin who said that?)

I know the dialogue wasn't that great in the original trilogy, but it was far less noticable because everything else was so much better (and the delivery made them seem slightly less corny than they were).

Second-lamest part of the trilogy: "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!"
Title: Re: Name the most stupid thing about the Star Wars Prequels.
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on December 21, 2006, 01:59:00 PM
I think that the two posts immediately preceding mine are both dead-on in their assessment of the prequels.  But I'd like to add one more thing (which other people probably already have added): the dialogue.  God, the dialogue was TERRIBLE.  Not just the words themselves, but the way that they're read!  Ugh...I cringe every time I have to watch Hayden Christianson ham it up during the fight with Obi-Wan ("YOU UNDERESTIMATE MY POOOOWWER!").  Yuck.  I agree with what Mike said: "I never thought I'd say this, but I miss Mark Hammil."  (Or was it Kevin who said that?)

I know the dialogue wasn't that great in the original trilogy, but it was far less noticable because everything else was so much better (and the delivery made them seem slightly less corny than they were).

Second-lamest part of the trilogy: "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!"

Yep, the dialog was legendary. Bad legendary, that is.


Quotable phrases in the Original Trilogy - 90%

Quotable phrases in the prequel Trilogy - 5%
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Post by: PJD on December 21, 2006, 03:24:10 PM
Here's what got me the most during my first viewing of Phantom Menace: the Force being Anakin's daddy. WTF? I can understand Lucas' misguided attempt to explain the Jedi's connection to the Force through midichlorians. I can understand him trying to insert inane comedy relief through Jar Jar. But what the hell was he thinking when he decided to make Anakin into a messiah figure? Couldn't he have made his father some Jedi who had left the order like Dooku? I mean, come on!
I thought in Ep3 when Palpatine is seducing Anakina and talks of his former master who could create life from mitichlorians that it was an allusion to Anikins origins. Still shitty.

I think everybody has made awesome points here.
I really got to agree with the bad Digital doubles but  the thing that really kills me is watching any of the extra documentarys for the prequels all you hear is Rick McCallum and Lucas whining about how expensive movies are and how they couldn't have stayed on budget withou the CGI and thats why they needed Digital stormtroopers and bla bla, blah...
WHAT THE FUCK ARE THESE GUYS TALKING ABOUT!?!?!?! They make more off the merchandising than any other films make period! What fucking budget? They seriously couldn't find an extra $300,000 to us ereal extras and costumes and have it not suck? UUggg.
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Post by: Sharktopus on December 22, 2006, 05:25:38 AM
Second-lamest part of the trilogy: "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!"

(http://pics.livejournal.com/sharktopus/pic/0000edbc)
Title: Re: Name the most stupid thing about the Star Wars Prequels.
Post by: AmazingThor on January 08, 2007, 09:25:28 AM
Don't know if you guys have ever heard of The Editing Room, but he does a wonderful job with the prequels:

http://www.the-editing-room.com/?script=phantommenace
http://www.the-editing-room.com/?script=attackoftheclones
http://www.the-editing-room.com/?script=revengeofthesith

Enjoy!
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Post by: Johnny_Short_Torso on January 09, 2007, 12:54:25 AM
Hey thanks for those links! I would have died laughing if not for the difibrulator next to my bedside.
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Post by: MSTJedi on January 11, 2007, 11:13:52 AM
That was great stuff. Even pointed out a couple mistakes I hadn't noticed before.
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Post by: Johnny_Short_Torso on January 13, 2007, 08:07:28 PM
I think I know the stupidest thing about the Prequels: People proclaiming The Phantom Menace is so much better than Return Of the Jedi, even though it is painfully obvious even to the most dull-witted of people that The Phantom Menace sucks on Toast compared to Return of the Jedi.
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Post by: Sharktopus on January 15, 2007, 06:59:46 AM
I think I know the stupidest thing about the Prequels: People proclaiming The Phantom Menace is so much better than Return Of the Jedi, even though it is painfully obvious even to the most dull-witted of people that The Phantom Menace sucks on Toast compared to Return of the Jedi.

Are people actually saying that? Or do you mean Revenge Of The Sith?
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Post by: aneel on January 15, 2007, 09:21:04 AM
Do you all notice that the Naboo fighter-pilots looked like and sounded like incompetent morons?  At least in the original trilogy the Rebel pilots sounded disciplined and professional, making the air battles more dramatic.
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Post by: Nunyerbiz on January 15, 2007, 09:29:30 AM
Well, I think Porkins just blew up all on his own without getting shot or anything....

Then again, the "Stay on target, stay on target..." / "Got Tyree, got Hutch..." guy was easily my favorite anonymous character from the entire series. I'll give Lucas credit: hiring a mix of young kids and fat, older guys to lead the Death Star attack really did make the Rebel Alliance feel like a rag tag group made up of whatever pilots they could get.
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Post by: gammer on January 15, 2007, 09:36:59 AM
Don't know if you guys have ever heard of The Editing Room, but he does a wonderful job with the prequels:

http://www.the-editing-room.com/?script=phantommenace
http://www.the-editing-room.com/?script=attackoftheclones
http://www.the-editing-room.com/?script=revengeofthesith

Enjoy!

Hey Thanks AmazingThor.
I really enjoyed this from PM:

AUDIENCE
He built C-3PO? Why wasn't this ever mentioned in the original trilogy?

GEORGE LUCAS
Because I just made it up. Speaking of stuff I'm just making up, how do you like the midichlorian bullshit I pulled out of my ass?
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Post by: LadyKenobi on January 15, 2007, 08:39:31 PM
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I'd also like to add that one of the things that irked me about the prequels was the over-use of digital doubles as Stormtroopers. I like that ILM is proud of their accomplishments, but lifelike human soldiers is not one of them.

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOORD.  Like I said in another post, the rubber masks may be cheesy, but they have a flesh and blood character that CGI will never, ever have.  In the part of Ep II where Padme falls out of the ship (stupid ho) and she has a conversation with a single CGI trooper I about leapt out of my seat all,  "DAMMIT GEORGE, HOW HARD IS IT TO GIVE ONE GUY A COSTUME?!"
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Post by: Sharktopus on January 16, 2007, 12:16:56 AM
Well, I think Porkins just blew up all on his own without getting shot or anything....

It looked like he hit a patch of black ice and went spinning off the side of the road. That guy looked like he had just put a hoagie down seconds before each scene. Man, I'd love to see Ep IV riffed.
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Post by: kodiakthejuggler on January 16, 2007, 07:05:45 AM
Do you all notice that the Naboo fighter-pilots looked like and sounded like incompetent morons?  At least in the original trilogy the Rebel pilots sounded disciplined and professional, making the air battles more dramatic.

Hey, I been sayin' that from the moment I saw the film! Every time that dude said "We didn't hit it!" I would always say under my breath "we're stupid idiots!! We can't his squat!" I just nodded in agreement when Kevin Murphy said pretty much the same thing in the Rifftrax.
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Post by: jedi2187 on January 18, 2007, 10:00:43 AM
Well, I think Porkins just blew up all on his own without getting shot or anything....

It looked like he hit a patch of black ice and went spinning off the side of the road. That guy looked like he had just put a hoagie down seconds before each scene. Man, I'd love to see Ep IV riffed.

I almost spilled soda on my keyboard after I read your first sentence.
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Post by: Johnny_Short_Torso on January 21, 2007, 12:26:07 AM
One of the worst things about the prequels is Anakins line in The Phantom Menace, where he says "I'm a person and my name is Anakin!"
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Post by: palehorse864 on January 23, 2007, 02:32:19 PM
During the infamous "Noooooo" scene,  I was watching Darth Vader get the bad news about Padme and throught "OH great, how's he going to respond... He can't cry in the darth vader mask,  I don't know what they can write in for dialogue...  The only thing that woudl fit is him screaming NO but they can't do that, it would sound silly in Darth Vader's voice"  Sure enough, just as I thought about the no, he stands up, and then he has me laughing my butt off in the theatre at one of the most unintentionally funny lines of the series.
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Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on January 23, 2007, 03:22:13 PM
yeah i was laughing hard too, the best route would have been quit smoldering that involved his force powers crusing the room in anger or something along those lines.
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Post by: Shaggy on January 24, 2007, 04:22:13 PM
One thing I noticed about PM, was the plot devices that he took right from Return of the Jedi. For example, having a space battle, ground battle and Jedi/Sith battle all take place at roughly the same time.

I always thought Ep. 1 was bad, but I realized it was even worse after watching Rifftrax. I guess I never gave much thought to all the talk about trade disputes. But the near lack of emotion in the characters was among the most annoying things about the film. 
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Post by: Scrivener on January 27, 2007, 07:12:36 AM
George Lucas.

Do I win?
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Post by: BathTub on January 27, 2007, 07:21:36 AM
George Lucas.

Buuuurnn!
Title: Re: Name the most stupid thing about the Star Wars Prequels.
Post by: Nergol on February 01, 2008, 11:12:24 AM
I think we can all agree that it's pretty bad when it's literally true that Genndy Tartakovsky did a way, way better job of directing a Star Wars prequel than  George Lucas did. If you've seen Clone Wars, it's everything that the Lucas prequels were not - well-paced, well-acted, logical, and consistently interesting. The failure of the prequels is no one's fault but Lucas'.
Title: Re: Name the most stupid thing about the Star Wars Prequels.
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on February 01, 2008, 06:59:24 PM
Ill start. O.k. this one thing i never got. Amidala was a elected queen.

When that part comes up I always think of the bit from Monty Python and the The Holy Grail; "you don't vote for king"...

Let's see, the storm troopers go from being able to wipe out the jedi to bumbling idiots that can't hit anything....  Well, they are clones, you know when you make a copy of a copy of a copy etc., the copies get worse as you go, yea, that explains it!


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Post by: BBQ Platypus on February 04, 2008, 01:40:45 PM
Ill start. O.k. this one thing i never got. Amidala was a elected queen.

When that part comes up I always think of the bit from Monty Python and the The Holy Grail; "you don't vote for king"...

Let's see, the storm troopers go from being able to wipe out the jedi to bumbling idiots that can't hit anything....  Well, they are clones, you know when you make a copy of a copy of a copy etc., the copies get worse as you go, yea, that explains it!


That whole "Stormtroopers are clones" thing annoys the hell out of me. It's -way- easier to train someone for 6 months than grow them for 10. Let the colonies grow them, throw them into a training center, and bam, troops.

Plus, they're clearly different heights in the original trilogy movies.

I'm pretty sure there's some kind of explanation for this.  I think what "happens" is that the Emperor started handing out important military positions as political favors, and they ended up enlisting their own troops, or something.

Of course, we all know the real reason - George Lucas didn't really have the prequels in mind when he made the OT.
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Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on February 04, 2008, 03:39:07 PM
unless they can grow more than they can conscript. 
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Post by: Kzinistzerg on February 04, 2008, 06:37:32 PM
Yes, especially as they die like flies.
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Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on February 04, 2008, 07:04:20 PM
hehhe too true, but maybe everyone else is in construction.  they build ships the size of continents and at least two battle stations the size of small moons, there has got be like a couple hundred WORLDS involved in resources and building of those things. 
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Post by: MaGurk on January 07, 2010, 11:16:41 AM
Out of the many outrageous blunders of these 3 films, the one I have the most problem with is Padme dying in child birth.  How can Leia remember her being "very beautiful, kind, but sad" if she died within seconds of her being born? 

Yeah, I know this is old, but I just found this place...
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Post by: Sideswipe on January 07, 2010, 11:48:02 AM
unless they can grow more than they can conscript. 

But why bother? Why not let the burden of raising kids be on the humble citizens of the Empire instead of cloning facilities? It's just way less efficient.  Besides which, they were growing what...500,000 Clones in Star Wars 2? With "a million more on the way"? Does this strike anybody as an absurdly small number of troops for a GALACTIC-scale conflict?

I dont buy that the Empire did span the entire galaxy.  Especially since there are planets described as"beyond the outer rim".  They are certainly not beyond the out rim of the galaxy, most likely beyond the outer rim of the republic.
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Post by: Doctor Who? on January 07, 2010, 12:23:50 PM
Still they do say that the republic and hence the empire are made up of thousands of systems.  I really don't buy that one and half million troops would be enough to patrole that.

I think the dumbest part is that Ankin goes from nice guy to child killer over a dream and then says that "from my point of view the Jedi are evil!" what point of view would that be?  How many children and people trying to surender did the jedi kill.  Did the jedi set up a huge war that killed millions?!  This is the guy that Lucas is now trying to make the hero of all six movies talking!  YOU'RE AN IDIOT LUCAS!
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Post by: FordPrefect on January 07, 2010, 01:52:37 PM
Still they do say that the republic and hence the empire are made up of thousands of systems.  I really don't buy that one and half million troops would be enough to patrole that.

I think the dumbest part is that Ankin goes from nice guy to child killer over a dream and then says that "from my point of view the Jedi are evil!" what point of view would that be?  How many children and people trying to surender did the jedi kill.  Did the jedi set up a huge war that killed millions?!  This is the guy that Lucas is now trying to make the hero of all six movies talking!  YOU'RE AN IDIOT LUCAS!

What's really interesting is that Lucasfilm has Anakin, the child killer, as the star of a program on Cartoon Network that's ostensibly for kids. But it takes place right before he kills the "younglings", so that makes it ok. 
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Post by: Doctor Who? on January 07, 2010, 04:39:36 PM
Still they do say that the republic and hence the empire are made up of thousands of systems.  I really don't buy that one and half million troops would be enough to patrole that.

I think the dumbest part is that Ankin goes from nice guy to child killer over a dream and then says that "from my point of view the Jedi are evil!" what point of view would that be?  How many children and people trying to surender did the jedi kill.  Did the jedi set up a huge war that killed millions?!  This is the guy that Lucas is now trying to make the hero of all six movies talking!  YOU'RE AN IDIOT LUCAS!

What's really interesting is that Lucasfilm has Anakin, the child killer, as the star of a program on Cartoon Network that's ostensibly for kids. But it takes place right before he kills the "younglings", so that makes it ok. 

Maybe next they can make a cartoon about Hitler that takes place six months before he started killing Jews.
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Post by: Action Batch on January 07, 2010, 04:57:38 PM
Maybe next they can make a cartoon about Hitler that takes place six months before he started killing Jews.

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Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on January 07, 2010, 05:14:55 PM

Maybe next they can make a cartoon about Hitler that takes place six months before he started killing Jews.

Well, if you look at it that way, then the OT kinda sucks too because Vader gets redeemed at the end, just because he changed his mind.

 :clap: :clap: :clap:

Not the whole OT - just Revenge/Return of the Jedi.  I still think that was after someone said that if Luke was Lucas' "alter ego" then what was he saying about his own Dad in these movies....
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Post by: Doctor Who? on January 07, 2010, 05:35:08 PM
Well i look at it thins way he had to die in order to get redeemed so he did pay for his crime in the end.  That is more then you get in some of today's movies,just look at Sandman at the end of Spiderman 3 or Magneto at the end of Xmen 3.
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Post by: Doctor Who? on January 07, 2010, 06:24:51 PM
What about all the guards in his prison?
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Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on January 07, 2010, 06:54:24 PM
What about all the guards in his prison?

Well, okay, so a couple more. Let's be generous and say 6.

How many did Vader kill? More than 6.  By a factor of 10 or 20, I'd say.

Yeah....on whose head do those deaths on Alderaan fall ultimately?  Tarkin only - because he gave the order?  Tarkin and Vader - because he did nothing to stop it?  Everyone on the Death Star who wasn't a prisoner?
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Post by: Doctor Who? on January 07, 2010, 07:28:17 PM
Tarkin.  It was his idea to do it ("Perhaps she would respond to an alternative form of persuasion"), and his was the command of the Death Star.  Vader warned him that the Emperor needed to be consulted since Alderaan was one of the "foremost of the inner systems," and Tarkin bristled at the suggestion.*




*In the Radio Series, which I consider to be canon.

Me too.

I have to wonder why tarkin was given command of the most powerful weapon in the galaxy when Vadar was the Emporror's right hand man.
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Post by: Doctor Who? on January 07, 2010, 07:35:34 PM
I guess but then Vader seems to be in command of the whole galaxy in the next movie.  Did he go to night shcool to learn how to plan stradegy inbetween movies?
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Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on January 07, 2010, 07:48:14 PM
Tarkin.  It was his idea to do it ("Perhaps she would respond to an alternative form of persuasion"), and his was the command of the Death Star.  Vader warned him that the Emperor needed to be consulted since Alderaan was one of the "foremost of the inner systems," and Tarkin bristled at the suggestion.*




*In the Radio Series, which I consider to be canon.

Me too.

I have to wonder why tarkin was given command of the most powerful weapon in the galaxy when Vadar was the Emporror's right hand man.

Because Tarkin was a strategist and a thinker.  Vader was an enforcer.

Because Lucas wasn't thinking that far ahead.
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Post by: Doctor Who? on January 07, 2010, 08:05:17 PM
I guess but then Vader seems to be in command of the whole galaxy in the next movie.  Did he go to night shcool to learn how to plan stradegy inbetween movies?

Nah--Vader has a simple task in the next movie: Find Luke.   It's one he's suited for--he's probably quite a good bloodhound.  Tarkin's task was a lot more difficult: end the rebellion, maintain order.

Man I was hoping to see the Vader night school movie the next time Lucas needed cash.  There is an action figure I would buy.
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Post by: Action Batch on January 07, 2010, 08:29:00 PM
I guess but then Vader seems to be in command of the whole galaxy in the next movie.  Did he go to night shcool to learn how to plan stradegy inbetween movies?

Nah--Vader has a simple task in the next movie: Find Luke.   It's one he's suited for--he's probably quite a good bloodhound.

I dunno. He did outsource quite a bit.
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Post by: RoninFox on January 07, 2010, 08:36:51 PM
But his outsourcing was effective in capturing Han and Leia, which he knew would probably bring Luke right to him.  That's effective planning and management there.
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Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on January 07, 2010, 08:37:22 PM
I guess but then Vader seems to be in command of the whole galaxy in the next movie.  Did he go to night shcool to learn how to plan stradegy inbetween movies?

Nah--Vader has a simple task in the next movie: Find Luke.   It's one he's suited for--he's probably quite a good bloodhound.

I dunno. He did outsource quite a bit.

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Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on January 07, 2010, 09:12:36 PM
I guess but then Vader seems to be in command of the whole galaxy in the next movie.  Did he go to night shcool to learn how to plan stradegy inbetween movies?

Nah--Vader has a simple task in the next movie: Find Luke.   It's one he's suited for--he's probably quite a good bloodhound.

I dunno. He did outsource quite a bit.

That was just to find the Falcon. 
Um...true.  But the Falcon was bait to get Luke.
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Post by: Action Batch on January 08, 2010, 08:10:34 AM
I guess but then Vader seems to be in command of the whole galaxy in the next movie.  Did he go to night shcool to learn how to plan stradegy inbetween movies?

Nah--Vader has a simple task in the next movie: Find Luke.   It's one he's suited for--he's probably quite a good bloodhound.

I dunno. He did outsource quite a bit.

That was just to find the Falcon. 
Um...true.  But the Falcon was bait to get Luke.

Oooh (completely unintentional) snap!
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Post by: Doctor Who? on January 08, 2010, 08:43:46 AM
hey i just thought of something.  the kids cartoon takes place after Anikin slaughtered all of those Tuskin raider kids.  So either lucas is saying that certain people don't count as people and it's ok to kill thier kids,or he is saying that killing kids is ok.  Either way i find it kind of creepy.
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Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on January 08, 2010, 08:54:50 AM
hey i just thought of something.  the kids cartoon takes place after Anikin slaughtered all of those Tuskin raider kids.  So either lucas is saying that certain people don't count as people and it's ok to kill thier kids,or he is saying that killing kids is ok.  Either way i find it kind of creepy.

Or, you know, who fucking cares.  Either way.

Yeah....

Next on "Cartoon Network":  Dexter - The Early Years.
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Post by: Doctor Who? on January 08, 2010, 09:04:41 AM
hey i just thought of something.  the kids cartoon takes place after Anikin slaughtered all of those Tuskin raider kids.  So either lucas is saying that certain people don't count as people and it's ok to kill thier kids,or he is saying that killing kids is ok.  Either way i find it kind of creepy.

Or, you know, who fucking cares.  Either way.

Yeah....

Next on "Cartoon Network":  Dexter - The Early Years.
Followed by Silance of the lambs;The animated series.