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Title: Fan Fic Competition
Post by: Tripe on June 05, 2008, 04:33:47 PM

Ok I mused this on a couple of threads and I think we've enough talented wee writers on the forum to make this fun.

However aside from the basic idea I'm not sure of the details.

So here's the thread that we can discuss it and then kick it off one we've banged out the parameters.

I propose a Fan Fic contest.

My preference is that it be of the Shipper or Slash variety (but if we do that we have to decide on possible rating).

But some questions:

Do we all write on the same general topic MST3K for example, or will the writers be free to choose their pairings?
Who will judge it?
What will the prizes be?


That should be enough to be going along with.

Lets discuss...
Title: Re: Fan Fic Competition Exploratory Thread
Post by: Dim of the Yard on June 05, 2008, 04:55:21 PM
I said "sure."  I'd like to write in it, but if you need somebody to stand in to be a judge, I'll be happy to do that, as well.  I'm not too sure how well the Shipper or Slash stuff will go down with the general crowd, although I'm bizarrely intrigued by the possibility.  (Then again, I browse Rule 34 archives for fun.)

My suggestion for the Fanfiction Contest is to let everybody have free reign over what they want to write for now.  You can impose rating limits or stuff that you don't want authors touching with a ten foot pole, but sort of leave everything else, such as content, to the people participating in the contest.  If the contest gets enough popularity in the first round, and you decide to keep doing these, then you can play around with challenges, such as making Shipper or Slash stories mandatory, or requiring all stories have an R-rating, or something along those lines.

As for prizes?  I don't know.  But I insist on MSTing the loser.   >:D  With the loser's permission, of course.

PS - This 20 questions (2.0 questions, to be exact) might be of some interest: 2.0 Questions: In Which We Discovered Batman and Robin Was Being Released (http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php/topic,7105.0.html).  In this game, since the movie was fairly obvious, the rules of the game were to write a story with a 250-word minimum, with the question you want to ask being worked into the plot.  And a splendid time was guaranteed for all.

Edit: Fixed link.  NOW the splendid time that was guaranteed for all, is guaranteed for all.
Title: Re: Fan Fic Competition Exploratory Thread
Post by: Scrivener on June 05, 2008, 05:31:13 PM
I haven't been following the fanfic threads too closely, but the subject header gave me a brief thrill, the sense of a challenge thrown down before me.  It went away when I realized that, in all probability, I write too well to create the kind of amusing fanfic you want.  ;D

And the totally weird thing is, I wrote something years ago, with professional intent, that could almost qualify for your contest.  Some years ago there was a science-fiction magazine that was licensed to run short stories in the Star Trek universe.  I got inspired, wrote a Voyager story that I thought worked pretty well ... and the magazine folded before I could submit it.  It's an orphaned story, with no market that could buy it.  It'll never earn me a nickel.  And I could submit it to your contest if A) your definition of "Shipper" is generous enough (it plays off Harry Kim's unrequited feelings for Seven of Nine, and while that's a strong subplot, it isn't the main plotline) and B) your definition of "fan" includes pros.

Oh, and C) if I were willing to risk utter humiliation.  But that's what a writer does all the time, so I could swing that.

Anyway, I'll check back here now and again, to see what comes of this idea.
Title: Re: Fan Fic Competition Exploratory Thread
Post by: MontyServo on June 05, 2008, 06:17:56 PM
What do you mean by "Shipper or Slash"?

And do you want intentionally bad writing?  Cause I think I can write the crap out of some intentionally bad fan fiction.  Some of it even unintentional.

Title: Re: Fan Fic Competition Exploratory Thread
Post by: mrbasehart on June 05, 2008, 06:21:18 PM
Are we sure about the slash/shipper aspect of the fan fiction? Wouldn't it be in slightly poor taste? If not, I totally have the "Joel Builds Gypsy a Realistic Vagina" story ready to go!
Title: Re: Fan Fic Competition Exploratory Thread
Post by: Dim of the Yard on June 05, 2008, 06:24:28 PM
What do you mean by "Shipper or Slash"?

And do you want intentionally bad writing?  Cause I think I can write the crap out of some intentionally bad fan fiction.  Some of it even unintentional.

Shipper refers to a couple (romantic or otherwise) in the story.  So a story delving into the sweet, behind-the-scenes romance between Brain Guy and Pearl Forrester would be a Shipper fic.  Slash is the same thing, except with homosexual pairings.  Usually, the male/male variety is referred to as Slash, and the female/female variety is referred to as Femslash, although nowadays, I suppose it's all inclusive.  So a story delving into the sweet, totally-one-sided romance between Jack Perkins and Mr. B Natural would be Slash.

I think the goal of this story would be to actually try, although I think it would be fun to have a Bad Fanfiction Contest, and have the "winning" fanfic MSTed by the judges.
Title: Re: Fan Fic Competition Exploratory Thread
Post by: Tripe on June 05, 2008, 06:28:55 PM
Hi, yes I think I should clarify: Yes I was thinking something funny, does that mean intentionally bad? Well as Roger Rabbit might say (when not reading Fan fics about his wife) only if it's funny.

What i mean is I wasn't thinking of anything heavy just sort of lighthearted and a little parodic possibly.

But I'll always argue intentional comedy is a lot harder than it looks and I think it's more of a challenge.


I think the goal of this story would be to actually try, although I think it would be fun to have a Bad Fanfiction Contest, and have the "winning" fanfic MSTed by the judges.

Actually that's a good idea there Miss Dim, and I'd be honored if you'd be one of the judges :).
Title: Re: Fan Fic Competition Exploratory Thread
Post by: Dim of the Yard on June 05, 2008, 06:37:03 PM
(preens)

I'd love to be a judge, Tripe.  Thank you!
Title: Re: Fan Fic Competition Exploratory Thread
Post by: daltysmilth on June 05, 2008, 10:50:32 PM
I'll sit the first round out, I think, but if we do something other than shipper or slash fics in the next round, I'm in.  By that token, I'd like to suggest that the winner of each round gets to pick the topic for the next round, and the loser of each round gets to be the judge of the next round.
Title: Re: Fan Fic Competition Exploratory Thread
Post by: Fortis on June 06, 2008, 12:29:30 AM
um...I'm not smart enough to write something funny, but...I'll try. Tripe is right, it is extremely hard to write smart comedy, which is why I respect the riffers so much...oh and my stories tend to be PG when it comes to romance...so I don't know if anything I write would be of interest. Rule 34 wise anyways...

But I'd like to write an emotionally charged tale of the guilt Mike Nelson feels for being a destroyer of worlds...oh...never mind, I came up with a funny story idea while I was thinking about this, it definitely won't be emotionally charged, but it will cause the worlds of star wars and MST3k crashing together...hehe, ideas for this are coming in now...


this is going to be great... :D
Title: Re: Fan Fic Competition Exploratory Thread
Post by: PlayMSTie on June 06, 2008, 05:13:40 AM
'Fess up, Fortis. You're doing Mike Nelson/Jar Jar Binks slash, aren't you?
Title: Re: Fan Fic Competition Exploratory Thread
Post by: Tripe on June 06, 2008, 05:20:07 AM
OK so it seems fairly positively received, Dim could you PM me and we'll lay out the details.

I guess Dim and i will judge it though a third volunteer would be nice, three is a great number for judges, we have a girl, a British bloke now all we need is a chubby black fella who used to play with Foreigner :)

Oh and I suppose I'll keep the voting open till Dim gets back from wherever she's going (I remember that much but i can't remember where).
Title: Re: Fan Fic Competition Exploratory Thread
Post by: Compound on June 06, 2008, 07:43:40 AM

I guess Dim and i will judge it though a third volunteer would be nice, three is a great number for judges, we have a girl, a British bloke now all we need is a chubby black fella who used to play with Foreigner :)


(http://theartofdylan.com/crain.jpg)

Or were you thinking of someone else?
Title: Re: Fan Fic Competition Exploratory Thread
Post by: Tripe on June 06, 2008, 07:44:35 AM
I would so love for him to be a judge on American Idol. :D
Title: Re: Fan Fic Competition Exploratory Thread
Post by: esoobaC .T bocaJ on June 06, 2008, 07:47:51 AM
hmm, judging sounds fun, but I think fan fics would be about stuff I've never seen, and contain numerous references therein, so I guess it's not for me :-\
Title: Re: Fan Fic Competition Exploratory Thread
Post by: Dim of the Yard on June 06, 2008, 07:54:43 AM
Hey, even if you could just read a story and determine whether it was well-written in terms of spelling, grammar, and sentence structure, that would probably be enough, at least in my opinion.  It'd be a great help.
Title: Re: Fan Fic Competition Exploratory Thread
Post by: Tripe on June 06, 2008, 07:55:44 AM
Well I'll be mostly judging genral literary merit and comedic qualities for the most part while I imagin Dim can judge especially "Fan-Fictionality"

But we'll see once I talk to her :)


EDIT: Ah and there she is!
Title: Re: Fan Fic Competition Exploratory Thread
Post by: MontyServo on June 06, 2008, 09:38:59 AM
Actually he used to play with Journey.  Yes, I'm a geek for knowing that. 

Here's the proof!

[yt=425,350]k8hJ7NCnE54[/yt]

(Yes, he's with Journey in this video)

I guess this is one of those Youtube clips that won't play away from Youtube.com.  It's the video for "I'll Be Alright Without You" from the Raised On Radio album.  Randy Jackson was a member of Journey during that time and is seen in that video.

Title: Re: Fan Fic Competition Exploratory Thread
Post by: Tripe on June 06, 2008, 09:41:38 AM
Actually he used to play with Journey.  Yes, I'm a geek for knowing that. 

That's right! When I wrote it I was unsure which one it was and eventually I just  picked one (the wrong one).:)
Title: Re: Fan Fic Competition Exploratory Thread
Post by: anais.jude on June 06, 2008, 10:21:48 AM
i will probably participate, but I would like to note that my true talent lies in erotica  >:D

that being said, other than shipper/slasher, i won't stick to a genre.
Title: Re: Fan Fic Competition Exploratory Thread
Post by: mrbasehart on June 06, 2008, 10:29:56 AM
What I'd like to see regarding rule is:

~A specified miniumum/maximum length
~Certain elements that must be included
~Whether it should be "good" or intentionally bad.


Are we getting any answers on those?

Title: Re: Fan Fic Competition Exploratory Thread
Post by: Tripe on June 06, 2008, 10:41:31 AM
Oh yes, still banging out the details.

Actually I have most of them, but the prizes and lenght of competition is still up in the air.
Title: Re: Fan Fic Competition Exploratory Thread
Post by: anais.jude on June 06, 2008, 10:46:54 AM
i want real prizes...like a riff or something
Title: Re: Fan Fic Competition Exploratory Thread
Post by: DarthChimay on June 06, 2008, 11:06:32 AM
Finally! I can write that Homeboys from Outer Space meets Misfits of Science fan-fic I've always wanted to do!

Just kidding (or am I?). I'd love to participate.
Title: Re: Fan Fic Competition Exploratory Thread
Post by: Tripe on June 08, 2008, 01:44:26 PM
Ok so here be the Rules:

The story should be a minimum of 300 words long, but not multi chapter epics.
It should involve MST3K characters (Mike, Joel The Bots et al)
It can involve characters from MSTed films, let's see how skillfully you all can do that.
It must be of a Shipper or Slash nature but for the sake of people reading the forum, please try to keep ti to a PG13 rating.
We will have two prizes of a $5 gift certificate (at least in this first competition) one for the best straight (in the sense of seriously written) Fan-Fic a one for the best intentionaly Bad one.

I think we'll give you a month to submit entries so the closing date will be the 8th of July at say 5pm EST.

Please pm the entries to the three judges : TripeHoundRedux, Dim of the Yard and Jacob T. Caboose. You can use this thread to chit-chat about the competition and let us know when you've sent in your entry (just in case we miss it say).

Any other questions I've not covered?
Title: Re: Fan Fic Competition
Post by: Tripe on July 08, 2008, 12:24:44 PM
Well, so much for that then :(
Title: Re: Fan Fic Competition
Post by: Fortis on July 08, 2008, 12:27:29 PM
Well, so much for that then :(

Ah dang I forgot!!!

I had a great story too!

Make the deadline 5PM Pacific time and I'll have a story for you.
Title: Re: Fan Fic Competition
Post by: esoobaC .T bocaJ on July 08, 2008, 12:28:42 PM
you'll probably be the only one.......... so congratulations :)
Title: Re: Fan Fic Competition
Post by: Tripe on July 08, 2008, 12:30:44 PM
Yeah but I could give Fortis a gift certificate anyway. However I really wanted there to be some sort of competition.

I'll have a think and maybe we can do this again with a better rubric  :-\
Title: Re: Fan Fic Competition
Post by: Fortis on July 08, 2008, 12:32:04 PM
Ah yes, well I'm not looking to win anything, I just want people to read my funny story...Seriously though, I'll be back soon with it, I'm writing it now...it will be rough since I'm writing it in just a few hours...but I think you will enjoy it.
Title: Re: Fan Fic Competition
Post by: anais.jude on July 08, 2008, 01:02:38 PM
Drat! I forgot! I'm sorry Tripe. Extend the deadline and I will turn in something....just have to change Scottish Outlander to Joel..........
Title: Re: Fan Fic Competition
Post by: Tripe on July 08, 2008, 01:05:32 PM
Hang about, Dim pm me when you have a chance and we'll make some changes to the rules ofr something.

Watch this Space
Title: Re: Fan Fic Competition
Post by: esoobaC .T bocaJ on July 08, 2008, 01:06:25 PM
Hang about, Dim pm me when you have a chance and we'll make some changes to the rules ofr something.

Watch this Space


quoted for watchitude
Title: Re: Fan Fic Competition
Post by: Tripe on July 08, 2008, 01:07:46 PM
Oh and jacob too, you me and Dim will have a little conflab about this and extend based on that discussion :)
Title: Re: Fan Fic Competition
Post by: SaucyRossy on July 08, 2008, 01:15:15 PM
can some one explain to me what slasher fiction is?

I have never written a fanfic.
Title: Re: Fan Fic Competition
Post by: Tripe on July 08, 2008, 01:19:10 PM
Not slasher just slash.

Both Shipper and Slash are romance sub-genres but Shipper is Boy Girl while Slash is Boy-Boy or (less commonly) Girl-Girl.

Boy-Boy Slash fiction is pretty common in Fan Fic and is quite emblematic of the genre.
Title: Re: Fan Fic Competition
Post by: esoobaC .T bocaJ on July 08, 2008, 01:21:46 PM
can some one explain to me what slasher fiction is?

I have never written a fanfic.

Slasher fiction is when someone like Crow goes crazy and violently butchers everyone n your story
Title: Re: Fan Fic Competition
Post by: SaucyRossy on July 08, 2008, 08:28:20 PM
Not slasher just slash.

Both Shipper and Slash are romance sub-genres but Shipper is Boy Girl while Slash is Boy-Boy or (less commonly) Girl-Girl.

Boy-Boy Slash fiction is pretty common in Fan Fic and is quite emblematic of the genre.

are you serious?
Title: Re: Fan Fic Competition
Post by: Rude on July 08, 2008, 08:34:50 PM
Quote from: SaucyRossy
are you serious?

Yeah, they're serious. Very in keeping with the spirit of MST3K and Rifftrax, dontcha' think? I'm sure Mike would be proud!

-Rude
Title: Re: Fan Fic Competition
Post by: torgosPizza on July 08, 2008, 08:42:53 PM
I will mention it to Mike and see what he thinks.

If possible, I will try to get a photo snapped of his horrified expression after I get done explaining "slashfic".
Title: Re: Fan Fic Competition
Post by: Fortis on July 08, 2008, 09:49:00 PM
"Fortis' Thoughts"...enjoy this rare look inside of the thought processes of Fortis as he read this thread...

fanfic contest...hmm, could be fun....ugh, fan fic sucks though...but this is a joke, so I guess that is the point, that fan fics suck...especially the zelda ones I've read...heck even star wars fan fic sucks...hmm...star wars. What if the SOL was really the thing that blew up Alderaan...heh. Mike Nelson...destroyer of worlds?

Shipper?...hmm, I guess Tom Servo and Princess Leia could have a fling...slash...? (looks up slash in google)...


(shock)


no...why??!!

Crow and C3PO...? Hmm gross....R2D2 and C3PO seem to go for that sort of thing...and robots are relatively innocent........ah good, only pg-13...hmm, still, thing I'm going to aim for G with mine.



I hope you enjoyed that...

I mean, this is just a fun thing to do guys. There is nothing serious about this, and they are intentionally supposed to be like other fan fics...bad.

Though I'm with you guys on slashfics...its for that very fact that I don't read fan-fiction...But I'm still excited for you guys to read my starwars/mst3k completely innocent story.
Title: Re: Fan Fic Competition
Post by: Matt B on July 09, 2008, 12:06:54 AM

"Okay, one more time. Explain to me exactly what happened," Mike grumbled as he adjusted his pajama top.

Tom swiveled towards Mike. "Well, Crow and I were playing our weekly canasta game.."

Mike interrupted, raising his hand. "Wait a sec. The sleepy-eyed guy programmed you to know how to play canasta?"

Crow chirped, "Yep. In between the downloads for heroes of dentistry and non-euclidian physics."

Tom queried, "I thought it was after the Rockford Files trivia."

Crow shook his head. "No. That came after the light operetta."

Mike growled. "Nevermind. I don't care any more. Just continue."

Tom nodded. Somehow. "Well, I had just scored a huge meld and that's when the airlock opened and the astronauts came in."

Crow added, "They said that they needed to bring us back to Earth, ASAP."

"So, you came and grabbed me," Mike stated.

Crow shook his head. "Well, they were tired from the trip, so Gypsy fixed them some tea."

Tom chimed in, "And sandwiches. They were hungry too. Plus they had been eating that dehydrated stuff since launch."

"So, then you came and got me?"

"Well, no," Crow said. "About then Mythbusters came on. It was a new one too, so we watched that for a while."

Tom added, "And they were running a marathon..."

"And that's..."

"Then we played some Halo. Tom lost, of course."

"I don't have working arms, Crow. I don't know why you keep demanding that we play..."

"So, then you came and got me."

Crow replied. "They were kind of tired, so they took a nap."

Mike sighed, heavily. "So, you had time to do all this but yet you didn't have time to tell me so that I could change out of my pajamas?"

"Well, yeah."

"Why?"

Tom plainly stated, "We'd thought it would be funny."

Mike sighed again, even more heavily. He began to speak again, only to be interrupted by the voice of the flight navigator.

"We will be landing in five minutes. Please prepare yourself for reentry."

Mike glared at the robots. "We'll discuss this later." The trio then spent the remainder of the descent in silence. Well, Mike did at least, thanks to the 10 Gs of force pummelling ever fiber of his being. Crow and Tom had a lively discussion about the symbolism in "Chairman of the Board."

*   *   *   *

As the shuttle hatch opened, Mike shakily stepped though the hatch and onto terra firma again for the first time in many years. Tom and Crow followed close behind.

"Well, this seems to be some sort of office park," Mike quizzically said.

Tom quipped, "Wow. NASA's really downsized."

A voice in the distance replied. "I'm afraid that we're not with the government, Mr. Nelson."

Mike peered off into the distance and spotted an approaching silhouette obscurred by the glare of the sodium lights. "I'm sorry, but I naturally assumed that the government would be the only group sending astronauts."

The voice chuckled and responded warmly. "I'm afraid that we're a private entity, Mr. Nelson."

The figure strode into the cicrle of illumination provided by the nearest floodlight, revealing the form of a shapely woman in her early thirties. .

Mike unconciously stood a bit straighter. "My friends call me Mike."

Her eyes danced merrily as she walked towards Mike. "Mine call me Angie."

"Angie?"

She gave a quick nod, her eyes dancing merrily. "Welcome home, Mike."

"Oh. Er, thank you," Mike yammered as he stared at the newcomer.

She smiled radiantly. "I realize taht you're a bit disoriented from all of this Mike, but I'm afraid that I have something to discuss with you. Would you mind folowing me to my office?"

Mike blinked for a moment and then seemed to return from his daze. "Oh, of course."

She beamed again. "Thank you. Carlos? Adrian? Can you escort Mr. Servo and Mr. Robot to the entertainment room, please? MIke, please follow me."

She gave quick motion with her hand, emphacizing her request for Mike to follow and the pair headed towards a nearby building. Behind them, the bots eagerly began to pester their escorts.

"An entertainment room? Do you have a TV?"

"And snacks?"

"How about a foosball table?"

"Or a hot tub?"

"You guys ever play Jenga?"

"How about Catan? It has sheep in it..."

"Oooh. I know this great card game called Canasta..."

*   *   *   *

Mike followed the comely Angie into a nearby building, down a hallway and into a rather spacious, if dimly lit, office.

Angie motioned to a chair. "I apologize for the lighting. We're having a bit of trouble with the electrical system. Please, make yourself comfortable."

Mike nodded as he sat. "Thank you. You're most kind."

Angie smiled again as she eated herself behind the room's desk.. "Well, thank you. It's a bit rare for me to receive a compliment."

Mike titled his head quizzically. "Really? I can't imagine why. You seem like a perfectly nice individual."

She beamed in response. "Thank you again."

Mike replied, "I really have to thank you for getting us down from there."

Angie returned, "Oh it was no trouble at all."

Mike hesitated for a moment, then haltingly asked, "I have to ask, what happened to Pearl?"

Angie replied puzzledly, "What do you mean?"

"Well, Pearl did have us trapped up in that satellite for a lot of years and I just figured that something must have happened to her if we're down here. She wasn't burned at the stake, was she? Because the guys down at the Circle K by Castle Forrester kept threatening to do that..."

Angie tossed off a laugh. "Oh, Ms. Forrester is fine, Mike. She got a job offer from someone in the film industry. Last that I heard, she was off producing some film about Chihuahuas. "

Mike was a bit taken aback. "Oh. Well, I had been wondering why we hadn't gotten any movies recently.  What about Observer?"

"He's working for Gordon Ramsey as a sous chef. He says it's a bit calmer than his old job."

"And Bobo?"

"Senator Bobo?"

"Nevermind." Mike settled back into his chair. "So, they just abandoned their torture of us and left us up there?"

Angie shook her head again. "Not exactly. Ms. Forrester was approached by someone who wanted to continue her son's research. Apparently she'd been a student of his back at Minnesota AM & M."

Mike blanched as a sinking feeling descended into his stomach. "I'm not familiar with that school..."

Angie brightly replied. "Minnesota Agicultural Mechanical and Mad Science. One of the most widely respected colleges in the field of Mad Science. Sure, technically it should be AM& MS, but it's traditiona to drop the S..."

Mike gulped. "You seem awfully knowledgable about it, Angie..."

She grinned preditorially. "Class of '96. And call me Doctor Jolie. See, Pearl and I had a discussion and, well, I believe the phrase is 'I now own your ass.'" She chuckled again, this time with an added tinge of madness behind the laugh. "Tell me, Mike. Have you ever seen a film called "The Adventures of Pluto Nash? I think you'll really enjoy it..."


First draft. Not edited. Not contest entry. Just thrown together before I sleep to add to Torgo's concerns.
Title: Re: Fan Fic Competition
Post by: Tripe on July 09, 2008, 04:59:30 AM
Quote from: SaucyRossy
are you serious?

Yeah, they're serious. Very in keeping with the spirit of MST3K and Rifftrax, dontcha' think? I'm sure Mike would be proud!

-Rude

Depends on how you define "serious" Serious in running the competition yes, wanting seriously written fan fics no. Simply thought it might be fun for those who appreciate the horrors of badly written fan fic to parody that aspect (either subtly in the form of pastiche or blatantly with over the top deliberately bad writing) and nothing says badly written fan fic than the shipper and slash fiction.

Oh and and no point did anyone say it had to be slash, if nobody wants to write slash that's fine, they can all be shipper. I do find it odd that everyone is so hung up on that particular option. ???

You know I thought people had a sense of humor about these things. But since it's so deeply offensive to everyone (except for the 10 who apparently were fine with the idea from the poll) I'll just cancel the whole thing.