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Title: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: TMC1982 on May 15, 2008, 11:37:20 AM
*Peggy Charren - Peggy Charren spearheaded a major movement (via her watchdog group Action for Children's Television or ACT) to censor cartoons during the 1970s and 1980s. In essence, she was pretty much telling and bullying networks that animated shows couldn't show violence and "anti-social behavior". In the end this left with really no other option for viewers to only watch "pro-social" cartoons that fits into her parameters. In return, Peggy Charren's biggest legacy was probably that of the Children's Television Act of 1990. The Children's Television Act of 1990 was further strengthened in about 1996 via the three hours of education mandate on broadcast networks. Ironically, it really is the only reason Saturday morning cartoons still exist among over-the-air broadcasters, since all the profitable cartoons and kids shows have long since moved to cable (i.e. Cartoon Network, NickToons, Toon Disney, etc.).

*Alfred Kahn - Alfred Kahn is the CEO of 4Kids Entertainment. Kahn has basically been criticized by traditional anime fans, who believe that his "Americanization" and censorship of anime licensed by 4Kids tarnishes their original format.

*Fred Calvert - Fred Calvert is the man who was chosen to finish "The Thief and the Cobbler" (or "Arabian Knight" as it was theatrically released as in the United States in 1995) after Richard Williams was fired from his 20+ year pet project.

*Jamie Kellner - Wrestling fans hate Jamie Kellner because he ordered the cancellation of WCW programming on TBS/TNT. Eric Bischoff and his group of investors were on the verge of purchasing WCW from Time Warner. But when Kellner had the shows cancelled, this gave Vince McMahon the opportunity to purchase his competition and have a virtual monopoly on the North American pro wrestling market. Anyway, Jamie Kelner was also the WB executive who made sweeping changes, which led to the cancellation/retinkering of certain beloved Silver Age WB shows (i.e. "Animaniacs", "Freakazoid!", "Road Rovers", "Histeria!", "The Legend of Calamity Jane", and "Pinky and the Brain"). Kellner has been maligned for allegedly ignoring such shows' popularity among older demographics, among whom the programs often got higher ratings than in the 2-11 demographic (a la "Pokemon") at which Kids' WB! was primarily aimed.

*Bob Camp - Bob Camp is the guy who took over from John K./Spumco on the production of "Ren and Stimpy" when Nickelodeon fired John K. When Camp and his Games Animation production company took over, I think that fans felt that the show became too reliant on cheap gross out jokes. Ironically, when Spumco revived "Ren and Stimpy" on the "Adult Party Cartoon" on SpikeTV, those episodes were even more hated by the fans than the Games produced episodes.

*Michael Eisner - Eisner gained a reputation during his time as the CEO of the Disney Company for allegedly micromanaging the Disney animators out of their jobs, literally forcing Pixar away, killing a lot of the "Disney Afternoon" style shows by only letting them run a maximum of 65 episodes, and churring out straight-to-DVD/video "cheap-quels" to films such as "The Little Mermaid", "The Lion King", "Aladdin", "Cinderella", "Peter Pan", etc.

*Glen Kennedy - Kennedy's animation studio worked on "Tiny Toon Adventures", "A Pup Named Scooby Doo", and many "Disney Afternoon" shows. Animation fans have criticized Kennedy for his apparent knack of sloppiness (e.g. often lumpy, bouncy, and stretchy movements) on the shows he and his company worked on when compared to StarToons (who also worked on "Tiny Toons").

*Mike Scully - Mike Scully was the show runner for "The Simpsons" from 1997-2001. During the time he was the show runner or exectutive producer, there was an seemingly increased usage of celebrity guest voices, more reliance on slapstick and lowbrow humor, and the characters became more one-dimensional. In addition, many episodes during this period centered around Homer, who was seemingly portrayed as being very mean-spirited.

*Carl Macek - Macek was the producer and story editor of "Robotech" (which was originally made up of three unrelated anime). Fans of anime have criticized Macek (who has been dubbed "The Antichrist" on usernet forums) for changing the dialogue in order to remove what he called "ethnic gestures". Also, Macek has been heavily criticized for the major, and some fans argue, pointless changes to the dubbing of "Aura Battler Dunbine".
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Post by: PlayMSTie on May 15, 2008, 11:42:07 AM
I think Eisner is most deserving of the wrath of cartoon fans, with honorable mention for Kellner.
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Post by: nummy muffin on May 15, 2008, 11:49:54 AM
I think Eisner is most deserving of the wrath of cartoon fans, with honorable mention for Kellner.

Agreed, and Alfred Kahn takes the bronze for what he did to The Vision of Escaflowne.
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Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on May 15, 2008, 01:55:04 PM
I'd like to nominate who ever it is at Warner Video who thinks that they have to censor the Hanna Barbara cartoons they release on DVD...

For example, I wanted "Jonny Quest" intact.  I remember the insensitive racial comments from when I was a kid watching these.  No amount of editing by them are going to take them out of my head and either the damage was done or it wasn't.

And that show is "too violent" to show to an impressionable kid anyway.   ::)

(seriously, if you're a post-Boomer like me...and you think about all the stuff that we saw and did as kids that people now say will turn kids into monsters....how is it we haven't murdered half of the people on whatever coast we live on already?)
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Post by: mrbasehart on May 15, 2008, 02:03:08 PM
Ralph Bakshi.  He and his Lord of the Rings movie blows!

...

Heh heh
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Post by: esoobaC .T bocaJ on May 15, 2008, 02:06:16 PM
as someone who grew up with Tiny Toons and A Pup Named Scooby Doo, I'm just gonna skip over the third paragraph from the bottom, all the others can have my hate, especially that Freakazoid! guy  >:(
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Post by: Steve-O on May 15, 2008, 02:06:24 PM
Ralph Bakshi.  He and his Lord of the Rings movie blows!

Agreed.  The only way it could be worse is if Bakshi had set it to the music of Frank Zappa.
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Post by: Dr. Mrs. The Monarch on May 15, 2008, 02:12:36 PM
Ralph Bakshi.  He and his Lord of the Rings movie blows!

...

Heh heh

I don't get the "heh heh" part, but that movie really did suck. I admit Felix the Cat was important to the history of animation, but Bakshi is my most hated person in the history of Animation
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Post by: Ortega on May 15, 2008, 02:14:53 PM
Ralph Bakshi.  He and his Lord of the Rings movie blows!

Agreed.  The only way it could be worse is Bakshi had set it to the music of Frank Zappa.

Best.Post.Ever.
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Post by: Petey Wheatstraw on May 15, 2008, 02:17:55 PM
I admit Felix the Cat was important to the history of animation, but Bakshi is my most hated person in the history of Animation

Damn, you been hitting the crack pipe?

Ralph Bakshi is a master of animation. He made some of the best American animated films and helped progress the art form. Pretty much every one of his films (discounting his most recent, which was the result of the director, the lead actress, and the studio wanting completely different things) is a masterpiece. If you think his films are bad, you know nothing about animation.

And Mighty Mouse: The New Adventures is the reason why we now have Ren & Stimpy.
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Post by: Dr. Mrs. The Monarch on May 15, 2008, 02:21:55 PM
umm, no. Why would I be hitting the crack pipe?


~edit~ Oh I get it. It's Felix the Cat. Whatever. The only good thing about it was that it showed cartoons could be for adults. The animation still sucked.
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Post by: Tyrant on May 15, 2008, 02:26:39 PM
Of all the people on the planet, I want to hit Eisner with my car the most. And then back up over him while he's down, and hit him with my car again. And basically just do that repeatedly until I either run out of gas or a tire goes flat. And then leave my stalled car on top of him for a while until AAA shows up. Hopefully the tow truck will also run over him.
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Post by: Petey Wheatstraw on May 15, 2008, 02:31:58 PM
Oh I get it. It's Felix the Cat. Whatever.

It was Fritz the Cat. And the animation is fantastic.
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Post by: Dr. Mrs. The Monarch on May 15, 2008, 02:34:29 PM
Oh I get it. It's Felix the Cat. Whatever.

It was Fritz the Cat. And the animation is fantastic.

I looked it up even and meant to write Fritz. Maybe my brain just won't register it. weird
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Post by: Petey Wheatstraw on May 15, 2008, 02:46:22 PM
Oh I get it. It's Felix the Cat. Whatever.

It was Fritz the Cat. And the animation is fantastic.

I looked it up even and meant to write Fritz. Maybe my brain just won't register it. weird

(http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/7729/normal0001048os9.jpg)

Are you saying that THIS is bad art?
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Post by: BathTub on May 15, 2008, 02:48:13 PM
Ralph Bakshi.  He and his Lord of the Rings movie blows!

...

Heh heh

I don't get the "heh heh" part, ...

Because he knew this was coming....

Damn, you been hitting the crack pipe?

Ralph Bakshi is a master of animation. He made some of the best American animated films and helped progress the art form. Pretty much every one of his films (discounting his most recent, which was the result of the director, the lead actress, and the studio wanting completely different things) is a masterpiece. If you think his films are bad, you know nothing about animation.

And Mighty Mouse: The New Adventures is the reason why we now have Ren & Stimpy.
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Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on May 15, 2008, 03:11:32 PM
Are you saying that THIS is bad art?
And you're certain he drew these and not an underling who got squeezed out?

Bakshi rotoscoped.  And rotoscoping is a fancy word for tracing (I remember the armies in Wizards - documentary footage of Nazi troops with horns and red eyes drawn in).

I traced pictures out of books in the third grade.  That wasn't art and neither is what Bakshi does.

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Post by: GregMcduck on May 15, 2008, 03:20:31 PM
Um, no, not really the same thing at all.
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Post by: Petey Wheatstraw on May 15, 2008, 03:22:49 PM
And you're certain he drew these and not an underling who got squeezed out?

That remark was in relation to the actual film, Fritz the Cat, not Bakshi. But as long as you're bringing up Ralph's ability, are you saying that THIS is bad art?

(http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/5764/sketch212sdw2.jpg)

Bakshi rotoscoped.  And rotoscoping is a fancy word for tracing (I remember the armies in Wizards - documentary footage of Nazi troops with horns and red eyes drawn in).

I traced pictures out of books in the third grade.  That wasn't art and neither is what Bakshi does.

Rotoscoping is not tracing. It's the difference between a tomato and a carrot.
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Post by: GregMcduck on May 15, 2008, 03:33:30 PM
I'm not as a big of Bakshi fan as Isaac here, but to call Bakshi one of the worst people in the animation industry is just fucking stupid. Yes, Bakshi creates unique movies that don't gel with everyone. I'll be the first to admit that Lord of the Rings and Cool World sucked. But just because you don't like his art doesn't mean he isn't an artist. I think Jackson Pollock is a horrible artist, but I still think he's an artist.

Everyone else listed in the original post are people who have limited the things people can do, thereby constricting their art. There's a big difference between someone who makes a bad cartoon versus someone who tries to control someone else's cartoon.
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Post by: Petey Wheatstraw on May 15, 2008, 03:36:19 PM
I'll be the first to admit that Lord of the Rings and Cool World sucked.

No, Bakshi would be the first.

Well, not really, but he admits that the films weren't made the way he would have liked to make them. I still enjoy Lord of the Rings, but the producer and Kim Basinger messed around with Cool World so much that the story didn't make a whole lot of sense, even if the animation was good.
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Post by: bettertomorrowamy on May 15, 2008, 03:45:24 PM
I thought this whole thread was JUST to bait Isaac.
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Post by: esoobaC .T bocaJ on May 15, 2008, 04:04:05 PM
what?! It's not?


wait, who's Isaac again?
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Post by: Petey Wheatstraw on May 15, 2008, 04:22:16 PM
Ironically, when Spumco revived "Ren and Stimpy" on the "Adult Party Cartoon" on SpikeTV, those episodes were even more hated by the fans than the Games produced episodes.

That is completely false. The fans loved Adult Party Cartoon.
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Post by: esoobaC .T bocaJ on May 15, 2008, 04:35:51 PM
one thing's for sure, Billy West didn't
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West said in an interview that when Kricfalusi asked him to voice Stimpy, West replied by saying that he did not wish to voice Stimpy in this cartoon. West said in an interview that he believed that the cartoon lacked humor and that voicing Stimpy in it would damage his career.
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Post by: Petey Wheatstraw on May 15, 2008, 04:51:06 PM
I don't think Billy West was even offered the role, nor should he have been. Eric Bauza did a better job with the voice anyway.

The claim that West felt that the series "lacked humor" and "could damage his career" is suspicious considering that not a single episode of Ren & Stimpy made after Kricfalusi was fired was funny, and to add to that fact, West has made plenty of unfunny cartoons (I.E., Doug) and has voice-acted in films and series that bombed and had equal threat towards his career. Anything could be a threat to one's career. You never know what would click with the audiences certain things are designed for. Adult Party Cartoon angered advertisers, but at no point in its development was it ever a threat to anyone that worked on it.

West can be a dick sometimes. I read an interview in an animation magazine in which he bragged about how much effort he put into coming up with the Brooklyn accent of a roach in Joe's Apartment. Every single voice in that movie was sped up like the munchkins in The Wizard of Oz. It's not as if you could tell which actor voiced which roach. For all I know, the character they credited Billy West with was actually voiced by Dave Chappelle. Would anyone tell the difference after the pitch is adjusted? No. You've just got another squeaky voice. You can tell the difference between some of the squeaky voices, but you can't really assign anyone to any specific high-pitched roach.
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Post by: ImOscardotcom on May 15, 2008, 05:17:53 PM
I'll admit Bakshi is important to animation history and that he is an artist (rotoscope is a shoddy technique, but simply a technique nontheless). But that doesn't mean I like him. In his interviews he always comes off like a pompous asshole, and the one thing I've seen of his (Wizards) I turned off halfway through.

I'm going to have to go with Fred Calvert-and also Jake Eberts, Bob and Harvey Weinstein, the entire staff of the Completion Bond Company and anyone else who contributed to the destruction of the Thief and the Cobbler. When you take a director off a film he cares about, that's bad enough.
When you take a director who has worked on the film for almost half his life (Williams was 31 when he started work on the movie-he was 58 when he got kicked off) and then proceed to cut the film beyond all repair, you deserve everything that gets thrown at you.
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Post by: RoninFox on May 15, 2008, 05:32:16 PM
Theres a lot of people to hate on that list, I don't know if I can choose.

I will say though, First season or so of Ren & Stimpy, good stuff.  The Camp years, bleh.  Adult Party Cartoon, worthless...that is all.
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Post by: Petey Wheatstraw on May 15, 2008, 07:36:49 PM
rotoscope is a shoddy technique, but simply a technique nontheless

No, it isn't. Rotoscoping can be used in many interesting ways, and it always looks interesting. Max and Dave Fleischer, the guys who actually invented the Rotoscope, made some of the most respected works in animation history. Rotoscoping was the only way to perfectly mimic the dancing of Cab Calloway in the Minnie the Moocher cartoon. And only recently, films like Waking Life and A Scanner Darkly, which use a variation on the technique, have won acclaim from critics and viewers alike, and were somewhat successful at the box office.

In his interviews he always comes off like a pompous asshole

What interview? The one where he punched a nun? ::)

(Note: I am being sarcastic. He didn't actually punch a nun.)

the one thing I've seen of his (Wizards) I turned off halfway through.

You're commenting on ONE movie? Try watching Heavy Traffic, Coonskin (Streetfight) or Fritz the Cat. None of these have rotoscoping.

And American Pop has rotoscoping that's more "normal," as opposed to the experimental rotoscoping in Wizards/Lord of the Rings, and probably a little more to your liking.
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Post by: Petey Wheatstraw on May 15, 2008, 07:40:00 PM
Adult Party Cartoon, worthless...

The Adult Party Cartoon is the way Kricfalusi always wanted to do the show. Those that didn't like the aired episodes might have liked the additional cartoons included on the DVD if the network had given the show a chance.
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Post by: RoninFox on May 15, 2008, 07:42:42 PM
Adult Party Cartoon, worthless...

The Adult Party Cartoon is the way Kricfalusi always wanted to do the show. Those that didn't like the aired episodes might have liked the additional cartoons included on the DVD if the network had given the show a chance.

"That's the way I always wanted to do it" -The Star Wars Special Edition defense.  Doesn't necessarily mean it's good.  Sometimes limiting an artist becomes a strength instead of a weakness.

That said, maybe someday I'll give the unaired eps a try.
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Post by: Petey Wheatstraw on May 15, 2008, 07:49:36 PM
"That's the way I always wanted to do it" -The Star Wars Special Edition defense.

George Lucas never had any talent.

But, seriously, he didn't go back and change old cartoons. He made new ones. The first episodes that aired were actually the first ones produced. Had the network waited for that season to be completed, that might have allowed for certain finicky viewers to ease into the extremeness rather than having it all pushed at them at once.
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Post by: Petey Wheatstraw on May 15, 2008, 07:56:38 PM
Mike Scully - Mike Scully was the show runner for "The Simpsons" from 1997-2001. During the time he was the show runner or exectutive producer, there was an seemingly increased usage of celebrity guest voices, more reliance on slapstick and lowbrow humor, and the characters became more one-dimensional. In addition, many episodes during this period centered around Homer, who was seemingly portrayed as being very mean-spirited.

I don't know where those complaints came from. I always loved the show, despite the occasional weak episode. Some of my favorite episodes came from the eighth, ninth, tenth season.
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Post by: bettertomorrowamy on May 15, 2008, 07:58:33 PM
Mike Scully - Mike Scully was the show runner for "The Simpsons" from 1997-2001. During the time he was the show runner or exectutive producer, there was an seemingly increased usage of celebrity guest voices, more reliance on slapstick and lowbrow humor, and the characters became more one-dimensional. In addition, many episodes during this period centered around Homer, who was seemingly portrayed as being very mean-spirited.

I don't know where those complaints came from. I always loved the show, despite the occasional weak episode. Some of my favorite episodes came from the eighth, ninth, tenth season.

I agree with you there.  I'm watching a season 10 episode right now.  No damage to me so far, in fact, I feel stronger even.
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Post by: Pak-Man on May 15, 2008, 11:24:07 PM
I'm a big fan of John K. I think he does wonderful work, but I think he does it best when he's working on a kid's show. Part of the magic of Ren and Stimpy and The Ripping Friends, and the Mighty Mouse episodes he took part in, was the way he could get away with things in a children's cartoon. He's a master of sliding things past the censors. Standards and Practices forces him to exercise subtlety, and in that subtlety, there's a lot of brilliant humor.

I like the Adult Party episodes all right, but they lost their subtlety. Instead of dropping eensy clues here and there that Ren and Stimpy might be more than just friends, the Adult Party episodes had them blatantly frolicking under the covers. There's no joke there anymore. Ren and Stimpy are lovers. It's like explaining the punchline.

Now I've gathered from interviews with John K. that he is by no means a subtle man, and as such he probably doesn't feel like he's fulfilling his vision when he's working on a kid's show, but I think he happens to work better when he's being held back.

I have a hard time hating Bob Camp. There were times when he completely missed the mark, but there were also a lot of darn good episodes produced under his watch. I enjoyed Ren and Stimpy from beginning to end, and while there was a departure in tone after the first season, there was still a lot to offer there.

As for Bakshi, I don't know his work extremely well, but I know he was an early envelope-pusher, and I respect that. He sounds awesome though. I've always loved this excerpt from an interview with John K..

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O: Did you have to fight CBS to get Mighty Mouse done your way?

JK: I had no contact with the network past the first week. It was really funny, because Ralph had convinced them that we'd developed Mighty Mouse as a show and we had the rights to it, and we didn't. He was in a meeting where we were pitching all the shows that we'd developed, and they told him, "I'm sorry, we really like all these shows, but we can't buy them because they don't have any marquee value." And he blew up. He had one of his famous explosions. He spit out his cigarette at them and screamed at the top of his lungs, "Marquee value? You want fucking marquee value? You're talking to me, Ralph Bakshi, king of animation, about marquee value?" Scared the crap out of them. He's a very large guy, super-strong, and he's been known to hurl... I've seen him pick up desks and throw them across the room. And he has perfect aim, too, absolutely dead-perfect aim. You don't want to fuck with Ralph. So he starts screaming at them, and they were scared, right? They told him, "Honestly, Ralph, if you had a character that was safe, that everybody knew, we'd buy the show from you. We really want to buy one of your shows!" He goes, "I'll give you fucking marquee value!" "Well, who you got, Ralph?" "Mmmm... Mighty Mouse!" He remembered the first job he ever worked on was at Terrytoons in the mid-'50s, and just spit out "Mighty Mouse." They said, "Okay, we'll take it, just please leave the room and don't kill us!" So he gets to the car, races back to the studio, and tells his partner, "Find out who the hell owns Mighty Mouse, quick!" Then he goes over to my house, because we'd finished all our development and were just trying to figure out whether we were ever going to get a job. And he pounds on my door on Saturday morning, again at like seven in the morning, yelling, "Johnny, get out of bed! I sold Mighty Mouse, let's go! We've gotta have a studio by next week! We need 35 people and 13 scripts!" So I got on the phone and called everyone I knew who hated working on Saturday-morning cartoons, all the disgruntled artists, and raided a bunch of studios. They left in droves, and by Monday we had a studio. We wrote, like, 20 stories in a week. And the following week we started production. It was a crazy, crazy time, with everybody working 15-hour days, all sorts of personality conflicts, everybody getting in each other's way, but somehow we pulled it off and made this weird show.

Even if it's embellished, anyone with a story like that can't be all bad. :^)
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Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on May 16, 2008, 12:07:32 AM
WHO THE F@CK went isaac baiting?

Dont we have some sort of FAQ lying around about baiting isaac yet?

Although to agree with isaac yeah rotoscoping is DEFINATELy more than tracing.  and it was made famous by the fleischers whose cartoons are often STILL amaizng and definately some of the most reconizable cartoons in american history.  hell just the other day here in korea i saw a can of popeye cola.  almost bought one but was to afraid that it might be spinach flavor. 

ps minnie the moocher is a bad ass song. 

eisner should be the most hated in my book.  thank god for pixar. 
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Post by: ScottotD on May 16, 2008, 12:28:47 AM
In my opnion it SHOULD be Walt Disney.
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Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on May 16, 2008, 12:34:49 AM
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In my opnion it SHOULD be Walt Disney

are you baiting the next walt disney (he left by the way) or did you have any REAL reasons?  just curious
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Post by: ScottotD on May 16, 2008, 12:58:11 AM
The fact he was a Nazi or at least believed in the cause seems like a valid reason to me, I did really like Freakazoid but I think cancelling it is probably less of a big deal
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Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on May 16, 2008, 01:04:31 AM
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The fact he was a Nazi or at least believed in the cause seems like a valid reason to me,

in this particular case i would like to site a source because ive REALLY never heard that one. 


edit:  that was bating the next walt wasnt it?  damn it all how did i miss that. 
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Post by: ScottotD on May 16, 2008, 01:19:22 AM
Apologies, he was reportedly an anti-semite and took part in the communisim trials but not a Nazi.

These are the best references I can find while at work: 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walt_Disney:_Hollywood's_Dark_Prince

http://www.greenleft.org.au/2004/577/32726
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Post by: bettertomorrowamy on May 16, 2008, 01:29:02 AM
Apologies, he was reportedly an anti-semite and took part in the communisim trials but not a Nazi.

These are the best references I can find while at work: 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walt_Disney:_Hollywood's_Dark_Prince

http://www.greenleft.org.au/2004/577/32726

I think Scott missed The Next Walt Disney and all his iterations.  I will never forgive Mike for Nestor!
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Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on May 16, 2008, 01:34:20 AM
yeah scott when you get off work ill need a little more help than one book and then a review of said book. 
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Post by: GregMcduck on May 16, 2008, 03:19:49 AM
For the record, though, being an anti-semite was kind of the "in-thing" back then.

Not defending it, but Ghandi was a racist because it was the "in-thing," and people are able to overlook that and look at the great things he did. Not sure why it should be any different for Disney.
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Post by: Petey Wheatstraw on May 16, 2008, 09:01:14 AM
From what I've read, Disney was not exactly the most racially sensitive person, but he didn't actually hate anyone, and a Jewish writer that worked on Song of the South denied that Disney was anti-Semitic.
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Post by: Tripe on May 16, 2008, 09:19:43 AM
In his interviews he always comes off like a pompous asshole
What interview? The one where he punched a nun? ::)
(Note: I am being sarcastic. He didn't actually punch a nun.)

Oh but that would have been great, rotoscoped or not ;)
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Post by: gbeenie on May 16, 2008, 09:43:26 PM
Ironically, when Spumco revived "Ren and Stimpy" on the "Adult Party Cartoon" on SpikeTV, those episodes were even more hated by the fans than the Games produced episodes.

That is completely false. The fans loved Adult Party Cartoon.

Beside you, you mean? Name them.
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: gbeenie on May 16, 2008, 09:46:29 PM
Adult Party Cartoon, worthless...

The Adult Party Cartoon is the way Kricfalusi always wanted to do the show.

Which only proves the maxim that art often thrives when it has to find a way to work around limitations.
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: Doctor Who? on May 20, 2008, 01:05:42 PM
Why is Mike Scully on the list?

Sure seasons 9-11 were not as good as 1-8 but they still had some good episodes and he worked on seasons 1-8.
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: sarcasm_made_Easy on May 21, 2008, 12:53:48 AM
yeah weird nine and ten have some serious classics in it. 
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on May 21, 2008, 03:37:36 AM
Mike is Dana Scully's ex-husband.  He told Dwayne Barry where she lived that one time. 
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: anais.jude on May 21, 2008, 09:32:25 AM
Mike is Dana Scully's ex-husband.  He told Dwayne Barry where she lived that one time. 

NERD!
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: Petey Wheatstraw on May 21, 2008, 11:31:33 AM
Ironically, when Spumco revived "Ren and Stimpy" on the "Adult Party Cartoon" on SpikeTV, those episodes were even more hated by the fans than the Games produced episodes.

That is completely false. The fans loved Adult Party Cartoon.

Beside you, you mean? Name them.

"I know you are but what am I" doesn't work in this context.

Adult Party Cartoon, worthless...

The Adult Party Cartoon is the way Kricfalusi always wanted to do the show.

Which only proves the maxim that art often thrives when it has to find a way to work around limitations.

Except that the APC episodes were funnier than the original series.
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: daltysmilth on May 21, 2008, 01:47:25 PM
So you think subtlety isn't as funny as explicitness?  If Groucho Marx, for instance, had said in a movie "I'm gonna have some sex tonight", would that have been funnier than him saying "I'm gonna go back and brush the crackers off of my bed.  I'm expecting company."?

Either way, I've seen John K. cartoons where he's had no restrictions, and they're just not funny.  Ever see the ones he produced for the adult swim website?  *Shudder*

Besides that, he's a pretentious egotist.  He seems to think that writing in a cartoon should be more of an afterthought, that the animators should just come up with a bunch of gags and worry about how they're going to fit together later, and that any cartoon that does it any other way is inherently inferior to cartoons done his way.  And he seems to think that every successful animated series since the 1960's is complete rubbish, and the only good cartoons are the ones he personally was involved in. 
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: Doctor Who? on May 22, 2008, 05:31:48 AM
yeah weird nine and ten have some serious classics in it. 

Also I am think some of his episodes have made it onto the Top 50 Simpsons episodes poll,so i don't think he is that hated by the people here.
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: Petey Wheatstraw on May 22, 2008, 12:00:26 PM
So you think subtlety isn't as funny as explicitness?

Funny is better than not funny.

If Groucho Marx, for instance, had said in a movie "I'm gonna have some sex tonight", would that have been funnier than him saying "I'm gonna go back and brush the crackers off of my bed.  I'm expecting company."?

Do you know what you're talking about, or are you just typing anything that pops into your head?

Either way, I've seen John K. cartoons where he's had no restrictions, and they're just not funny.  Ever see the ones he produced for the adult swim website?

The hilarious cartoons he produced for the Cartoon Network website?

Besides that, he's a pretentious egotist.

Do you know what you're talking about, or are you just typing anything that pops into your head?

He seems to think that writing in a cartoon should be more of an afterthought, that the animators should just come up with a bunch of gags and worry about how they're going to fit together later, and that any cartoon that does it any other way is inherently inferior to cartoons done his way.

Do you know what you're talking about, or are you just typing anything that pops into your head?

And he seems to think that every successful animated series since the 1960's is complete rubbish, and the only good cartoons are the ones he personally was involved in.

He doesn't think that. He worked on an '80s upgrade of The Jetsons that he thought was total shit. He just prefers the older cartoons.
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: Pak-Man on May 22, 2008, 12:10:22 PM
I actually dig the Yogi and Jetsons cartoons he did for Adult Swim. Some of his best work. :^)
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: GregMcduck on May 22, 2008, 12:20:10 PM
So you think subtlety isn't as funny as explicitness?

Can't we have both?
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on May 22, 2008, 04:29:05 PM
No.
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: anais.jude on May 22, 2008, 06:23:55 PM
No.

Aww, we can't have nice things
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on May 22, 2008, 06:31:41 PM
No.

Aww, we can't have nice things

No.
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: daltysmilth on May 22, 2008, 06:36:30 PM
You know why John K. was fired from Ren & Stimpy?  Because he wasn't doing his job.  Doing things his way apparently meant slacking off most of the time and not delivering episodes when he was supposed to.  If he wanted to do, like, an underground graphic novel that was published on a "whenever I feel like it" schedule, then that would be fine, but in series television, if you can't deliver what you say you can, the network sacks you and hires someone who can.  You don't have to believe me.  Go to Billy West's website and read the FAQ section.  He has the whole story there.
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: RoninFox on May 22, 2008, 07:01:48 PM
Well I know John K's side of the story is that he was making the episodes and in a timely manner and that Nickelodeon was rejecting them, thus creating the long stretches of time between new episodes and the endless repeats.  Not sure if that's fact or not, just what I've heard him say.

That said, now that I have read that FAQ...wow, I've never heard of Billy West going off like that.  That whole situation must have been hell.
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: anais.jude on May 22, 2008, 07:32:24 PM
was john k responsible for making ren and stimpy lovers? cause that was the dumbest thing i have ever seen
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: Petey Wheatstraw on May 22, 2008, 10:51:47 PM
You know why John K. was fired from Ren & Stimpy?  Because he wasn't doing his job.  Doing things his way apparently meant slacking off most of the time and not delivering episodes when he was supposed to.

Umm...you know how animation gets produced? IT TAKES A LOT OF WORK! There weren't a lot of animators working at Spumco. It takes a long time to make animation with only a few people. Nickelodeon executives are greedy, impatient little shits with no sense of humor or respect for good animation. John K. was expected to produce cartoons in a fashion that was entirely impossible. Why don't YOU try to make good animation with some tasteless, humorless nitwits breathing down your neck. But John K. was fired because of the content of the cartoons, not because he couldn't "get them done on time".

Go to Billy West's website and read the FAQ section.  He has the whole story there.

Billy West is an egotistical hack who thinks that it's worth bragging about how he supposedly put a lot of effort into voicing a high-pitched CGI cockroach whose voice can barely be recognized as any specific human being, much less Billy West.

was john k responsible for making ren and stimpy lovers? cause that was the dumbest thing i have ever seen

According to John, Ren & Stimpy are gay or straight based on whatever the humor calls for. If a cartoon can be made funny by having them as lovers, they are lovers. If humor can otherwise be derived out of them as heterosexuals, they are straight. They've had gay cartoons and straight cartoonss all the time on the original series, but Nickelodeon didn't want them to be gay in any cartoon. They didn't "go gay" in Adult Party Cartoon. It was the same as the Nickelodeon cartoons. But John has also said that while Stimpy is gay and in love with Ren, Ren is only in the relationship because he can't get human females to have sex with him. So, take whichever story you prefer.

I think that if you find the idea of your favorite cartoon characters as gay lovers to be offensive, you might need to do a little soul-searching. You may be a homophobe.
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: Pak-Man on May 22, 2008, 11:05:39 PM
I don't find it offensive, but I thought it was funnier when it was implied as opposed to being spelled out.
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: anais.jude on May 23, 2008, 01:43:35 AM
Well i didn't find ren and stimpy funny after the first season. i don't hate anyone though...except barry manilow....MANILOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think that if you find the idea of your favorite cartoon characters as gay lovers to be offensive, you might need to do a little soul-searching. You may be a homophobe.

i didn't say it was offensive. i said it was dumb. it was dumb because it wasn't funny.

and i also never said they were my favorite cartoon characters

and i never said this "idea" word. "idea" is not in my vocabulary
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: Petey Wheatstraw on May 23, 2008, 02:22:22 AM
Well i didn't find ren and stimpy funny after the first season.

John Kricfalusi was fired after the first season of the Nickelodeon series. Adult Party Cartoon resulted in the return of the humor.

I think that if you find the idea of your favorite cartoon characters as gay lovers to be offensive, you might need to do a little soul-searching. You may be a homophobe.

i didn't say it was offensive. i said it was dumb. it was dumb because it wasn't funny.

They were lovers in cartoons John K. produced for the original series. They didn't automatically "become gay" in the Spike TV cartoons. It's all based on whether a funny cartoon can be made with a plotline in which they are lovers. Some cartoons had Ren & Stimpy as lovers, some cartoons had them as straight. The idea that "making Ren & Stimpy gay was dumb" is dumb in itself.
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: RoninFox on May 23, 2008, 05:44:52 AM
Again the point is that while they might have been gay or straight depending on what was called for in the cartoon, at first it was never pointed out directly.  You could get a feeling one way or another if you really payed attention, but it was a lot different than in Adult Party Cartoon when Ren was yelling at Stimpy "Who is the pitcher and who is the catcher!"

In the first season, any kind of sexuality was implied and buried.  When it got pulled out into the open and all but pointed out with flashing arrows saying "Look, they're gay" then it loses its humor.

Really, I'll say that even the first season, that I absolutely loved when it first came out, has not aged well.  The episodes I've gone back and watched in the past couple years rarely get more than the occasional chuckle out of me.
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: daltysmilth on May 24, 2008, 09:03:34 AM
Think of Dr. Forrester and TV's Frank from MST3k.  There were times when they seemed to imply that Forrester and Frank were more than just "a mad scientist and his assistant".  And they seem to have a similar kind of love-hate relationship to the one that Ren & Stimpy had.  But would Mystery Science Theater 3000 have been funnier if they came right out and said Forrester and Frank were gay lovers?  Somehow I kinda doubt it.
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: gbeenie on May 24, 2008, 06:17:09 PM

was john k responsible for making ren and stimpy lovers? cause that was the dumbest thing i have ever seen



I think that if you find the idea of your favorite cartoon characters as gay lovers to be offensive, you might need to do a little soul-searching. You may be a homophobe.

Oh, GET OFF IT. Her point was that the innuendo about Ren & Stimpy's relationship in the original series was a funny and subversive move; the blunt explicitness of their relationship in Adult Party Cartoon was a gigantic YAWN. If you have to explain the joke, there IS no joke.
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: anais.jude on May 24, 2008, 08:39:08 PM

was john k responsible for making ren and stimpy lovers? cause that was the dumbest thing i have ever seen



I think that if you find the idea of your favorite cartoon characters as gay lovers to be offensive, you might need to do a little soul-searching. You may be a homophobe.

Oh, GET OFF IT. Her point was that the innuendo about Ren & Stimpy's relationship in the original series was a funny and subversive move; the blunt explicitness of their relationship in Adult Party Cartoon was a gigantic YAWN. If you have to explain the joke, there IS no joke.


Damn straight!
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: RoninFox on May 24, 2008, 08:40:00 PM

was john k responsible for making ren and stimpy lovers? cause that was the dumbest thing i have ever seen



I think that if you find the idea of your favorite cartoon characters as gay lovers to be offensive, you might need to do a little soul-searching. You may be a homophobe.

Oh, GET OFF IT. Her point was that the innuendo about Ren & Stimpy's relationship in the original series was a funny and subversive move; the blunt explicitness of their relationship in Adult Party Cartoon was a gigantic YAWN. If you have to explain the joke, there IS no joke.


Damn straight!

Exactly.   :clap:
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: Steve-O on May 24, 2008, 09:15:58 PM

was john k responsible for making ren and stimpy lovers? cause that was the dumbest thing i have ever seen



I think that if you find the idea of your favorite cartoon characters as gay lovers to be offensive, you might need to do a little soul-searching. You may be a homophobe.

Oh, GET OFF IT. Her point was that the innuendo about Ren & Stimpy's relationship in the original series was a funny and subversive move; the blunt explicitness of their relationship in Adult Party Cartoon was a gigantic YAWN. If you have to explain the joke, there IS no joke.


Damn straight!

Which is funny, you see, since we were talking about homosexuality, of which straightness would be the opposite.
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: daltysmilth on May 24, 2008, 11:36:28 PM

was john k responsible for making ren and stimpy lovers? cause that was the dumbest thing i have ever seen



I think that if you find the idea of your favorite cartoon characters as gay lovers to be offensive, you might need to do a little soul-searching. You may be a homophobe.

Oh, GET OFF IT. Her point was that the innuendo about Ren & Stimpy's relationship in the original series was a funny and subversive move; the blunt explicitness of their relationship in Adult Party Cartoon was a gigantic YAWN. If you have to explain the joke, there IS no joke.


Damn straight!

Which is funny, you see, since we were talking about homosexuality, of which straightness would be the opposite.

Hee hee!  Now that's the sort of joke you won't find in a lot of John K.'s cartoons.  You know... a funny one.
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: Petey Wheatstraw on May 25, 2008, 12:51:10 AM
Again the point is that while they might have been gay or straight depending on what was called for in the cartoon, at first it was never pointed out directly.  You could get a feeling one way or another if you really payed attention, but it was a lot different than in Adult Party Cartoon when Ren was yelling at Stimpy "Who is the pitcher and who is the catcher!"

Those scenes were hilarious! It doesn't matter whether it's subtle or way in your face. Funny is funny, and Kricfalusi can animate funny scenes.

Hee hee!  Now that's the sort of joke you won't find in a lot of John K.'s cartoons.  You know... a funny one.

Dalty, stop with the anti-John K. trolling. This is absurd. Not every post is a set-up for you to bash an animator you don't like.
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: RoninFox on May 25, 2008, 12:54:14 AM
Again the point is that while they might have been gay or straight depending on what was called for in the cartoon, at first it was never pointed out directly.  You could get a feeling one way or another if you really payed attention, but it was a lot different than in Adult Party Cartoon when Ren was yelling at Stimpy "Who is the pitcher and who is the catcher!"

Those scenes were hilarious! It doesn't matter whether it's subtle or way in your face. Funny is funny, and Kricfalusi can animate funny scenes.

Funny for you, but they do nothing for me.  Willing to walk away with the standard "agree to disagree"
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: MSTJedi on May 25, 2008, 07:40:03 AM
Dalty, stop with the anti-John K. trolling. This is absurd. Not every post is a set-up for you to bash an animator you don't like.

Um, isn't bashing animators we don't like the idea for this whole thread?

As for the original topic, I'd go with Eisner. The relentless crappy sequels was just a shameless way to cash in on the success of the originals and he therefore has a special place in hell reserved for his greedy ass.

And when it comes to artists being better when they're overcoming censorship rather than allowed to do whatever the hell they want, just look at Hitchcock's movies. Compare Psycho to Frenzy and tell me Frenzy is honestly better.

Also, say what you want about Kahn, his Robotech series (the Macross part, anyway) was the reason I got into anime when I was in high school. It played in the morning before I went to school and though the plot was ridiculously cheesy, I loved it.
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: Petey Wheatstraw on May 25, 2008, 07:51:48 AM
And when it comes to artists being better when they're overcoming censorship rather than allowed to do whatever the hell they want, just look at Hitchcock's movies. Compare Psycho to Frenzy and tell me Frenzy is honestly better.

I liked Frenzy better than Psycho.
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: MSTJedi on May 25, 2008, 08:03:22 AM
And when it comes to artists being better when they're overcoming censorship rather than allowed to do whatever the hell they want, just look at Hitchcock's movies. Compare Psycho to Frenzy and tell me Frenzy is honestly better.

I liked Frenzy better than Psycho.

How did I know you were going to say that? Maybe it's just a matter of personality. It seems that some people like their comedy and/or fright "in your face" and others prefer subtlety. Eh, to each their own.
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: mrbasehart on May 25, 2008, 08:11:03 AM
And when it comes to artists being better when they're overcoming censorship rather than allowed to do whatever the hell they want, just look at Hitchcock's movies. Compare Psycho to Frenzy and tell me Frenzy is honestly better.

I liked Frenzy better than Psycho.

How did I know you were going to say that? Maybe it's just a matter of personality. It seems that some people like their comedy and/or fright "in your face" and others prefer subtlety. Eh, to each their own.

Remember, Isaac thought Norbit and the original Little Shop of Horrors was funny.  :)
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: daltysmilth on May 25, 2008, 01:52:54 PM
Again the point is that while they might have been gay or straight depending on what was called for in the cartoon, at first it was never pointed out directly.  You could get a feeling one way or another if you really payed attention, but it was a lot different than in Adult Party Cartoon when Ren was yelling at Stimpy "Who is the pitcher and who is the catcher!"

Those scenes were hilarious! It doesn't matter whether it's subtle or way in your face. Funny is funny, and Kricfalusi can animate funny scenes.

Hee hee!  Now that's the sort of joke you won't find in a lot of John K.'s cartoons.  You know... a funny one.

Dalty, stop with the anti-John K. trolling. This is absurd. Not every post is a set-up for you to bash an animator you don't like.

You're just upset you couldn't come up with a clever comeback.
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: MSTJedi on May 25, 2008, 02:31:18 PM
And when it comes to artists being better when they're overcoming censorship rather than allowed to do whatever the hell they want, just look at Hitchcock's movies. Compare Psycho to Frenzy and tell me Frenzy is honestly better.

I liked Frenzy better than Psycho.

How did I know you were going to say that? Maybe it's just a matter of personality. It seems that some people like their comedy and/or fright "in your face" and others prefer subtlety. Eh, to each their own.

Remember, Isaac thought Norbit and the original Little Shop of Horrors was funny.  :)

Well, that says it all right there.
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: Petey Wheatstraw on May 25, 2008, 03:14:02 PM
Again the point is that while they might have been gay or straight depending on what was called for in the cartoon, at first it was never pointed out directly.  You could get a feeling one way or another if you really payed attention, but it was a lot different than in Adult Party Cartoon when Ren was yelling at Stimpy "Who is the pitcher and who is the catcher!"

Those scenes were hilarious! It doesn't matter whether it's subtle or way in your face. Funny is funny, and Kricfalusi can animate funny scenes.

Hee hee!  Now that's the sort of joke you won't find in a lot of John K.'s cartoons.  You know... a funny one.

Dalty, stop with the anti-John K. trolling. This is absurd. Not every post is a set-up for you to bash an animator you don't like.

You're just upset you couldn't come up with a clever comeback.

And you are jealous of John Kricfalusi's talent and fame, so you bash him on a message board, in fear of possibly being hit if you had attempted to walk up to his face and speak the very same crap you've posted here.

And when it comes to artists being better when they're overcoming censorship rather than allowed to do whatever the hell they want, just look at Hitchcock's movies. Compare Psycho to Frenzy and tell me Frenzy is honestly better.

I liked Frenzy better than Psycho.

How did I know you were going to say that? Maybe it's just a matter of personality. It seems that some people like their comedy and/or fright "in your face" and others prefer subtlety. Eh, to each their own.

I don't PREFER ANYTHING. I don't know what the hell you are talking about. Funny is funny. It doesn't matter if it's subtle or "in your face". The difference between John Kricfalusi's cartoons and most other cartoons being made today is the difference between drinking a nice, cold Faygo and falling into a bed filled with rusty nails.

Remember, Isaac thought Norbit and the original Little Shop of Horrors was funny.  :)

The Little Shop of Horrors is a comedy classic.

And I never said that I thought that Norbit was a masterpiece or anything, just that at the time, I found it entertaining. And what does any of this have to do with the topic at hand? Absolutely nothing. It is incredibly stupid to keep bringing Norbit up as if it is some point of reference. It's not. It's absolutely meaningless. Some people enjoyed the movie, some people didn't. But what freaking difference does it make to repeatedly bring it up over and over again as if to try and prove some freaking point? Stop trying to make it look as if I thought that Norbit was the greatest achievement of human history. Why the HELL do you people care so goddamn much about a meaningless, stupid movie?

I've seen far, far worse comedies than Norbit, with or without Murphy. The Adventures of Pluto Nash and Showtime were far, far worse. Napoleon Dynamite was worse. The Benchwarmers and Deuce Bigalow: European Gigolo are worse. 2001: A Space Travesty is worse. Date and Epic Movie are worse. Pauly Shore's filmography is worse. Eight Crazy Nights and Mr. Deeds were worse. Dumb and Dumberer is a far worse movie. Norbit really isn't all that bad. It just doesn't stand out a whole lot in terms of quality from most other Hollywood comedies. It's just one of those movies that you would catch on TV, but you wouldn't necessarily pay to see (either in the theaters or on DVD) unless it were really, really cheap.
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: Petey Wheatstraw on May 25, 2008, 04:46:03 PM
I vote for Ralph Bakshi.

I vote for Peter Jackson.
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: Petey Wheatstraw on May 25, 2008, 05:00:54 PM
I vote for Ralph Bakshi.

I vote for Peter Jackson.

Aw, that's it? How disappointing.  Does Jackson even -do- animation, anyway? Or...well, I guess you never let logic bother you before.  And I don't really think Bakshi is the worst.  I don't think of him at all, generally.

You have no sense of humor.
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: mrbasehart on May 25, 2008, 05:56:24 PM
I vote for Ralph Bakshi.

I vote for Peter Jackson.

Aw, that's it? How disappointing.  Does Jackson even -do- animation, anyway? Or...well, I guess you never let logic bother you before.  And I don't really think Bakshi is the worst.  I don't think of him at all, generally.

You have no sense of humor.

Man, the irony in that statement just floored me.
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on May 25, 2008, 06:07:11 PM
Yeah, I wanna design a Rifftrax Roundtable T-shirt that just has a picture of Isaac and a quote from him saying:  "No!" 
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: Petey Wheatstraw on May 25, 2008, 06:15:52 PM
I vote for Ralph Bakshi.

I vote for Peter Jackson.

Aw, that's it? How disappointing.  Does Jackson even -do- animation, anyway? Or...well, I guess you never let logic bother you before.  And I don't really think Bakshi is the worst.  I don't think of him at all, generally.

You have no sense of humor.

Man, the irony in that statement just floored me.

Why are you such a cockgobbler?
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: Petey Wheatstraw on May 25, 2008, 06:16:42 PM
Yeah, I wanna design a Rifftrax Roundtable T-shirt that just has a picture of Isaac and a quote from him saying:  "No!"

Why are you such a cockgobbler?
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: ImOscardotcom on May 25, 2008, 06:23:56 PM
DON'T STEAL MY SCHTICK.
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: Petey Wheatstraw on May 25, 2008, 06:25:41 PM
DON'T STEAL MY SCHTICK.

Why are you such a cockgobbler?
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: daltysmilth on May 25, 2008, 09:22:15 PM
Again the point is that while they might have been gay or straight depending on what was called for in the cartoon, at first it was never pointed out directly.  You could get a feeling one way or another if you really payed attention, but it was a lot different than in Adult Party Cartoon when Ren was yelling at Stimpy "Who is the pitcher and who is the catcher!"

Those scenes were hilarious! It doesn't matter whether it's subtle or way in your face. Funny is funny, and Kricfalusi can animate funny scenes.

Hee hee!  Now that's the sort of joke you won't find in a lot of John K.'s cartoons.  You know... a funny one.

Dalty, stop with the anti-John K. trolling. This is absurd. Not every post is a set-up for you to bash an animator you don't like.

You're just upset you couldn't come up with a clever comeback.

And you are jealous of John Kricfalusi's talent and fame, so you bash him on a message board, in fear of possibly being hit if you had attempted to walk up to his face and speak the very same crap you've posted here.

Umm... yeah!  That's the only reason someone would choose to criticize someone else's work.  It has nothing to do with the quality of their work!  And you really hit the nail on the head about the only reason I would post my opinion on a message board instead of giving my opinions to John K. directly because I'm afraid they'll hit me for expressing the sentiment that I don't think his work is humorous because I find subtlety funnier than explicitness.  It has nothing to do with the fact that I've never met John Kricfalusi, don't know where he lives, and don't have the money, resources, or desire to track him down express my opinions of his work to him directly.  It's all because I'm a jealous coward.  You are such an astute judge of my character.  Are you a psychologist, by chance, friend Isaac? 
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: Petey Wheatstraw on May 25, 2008, 10:13:30 PM
Again the point is that while they might have been gay or straight depending on what was called for in the cartoon, at first it was never pointed out directly.  You could get a feeling one way or another if you really payed attention, but it was a lot different than in Adult Party Cartoon when Ren was yelling at Stimpy "Who is the pitcher and who is the catcher!"

Those scenes were hilarious! It doesn't matter whether it's subtle or way in your face. Funny is funny, and Kricfalusi can animate funny scenes.

Hee hee!  Now that's the sort of joke you won't find in a lot of John K.'s cartoons.  You know... a funny one.

Dalty, stop with the anti-John K. trolling. This is absurd. Not every post is a set-up for you to bash an animator you don't like.

You're just upset you couldn't come up with a clever comeback.

And you are jealous of John Kricfalusi's talent and fame, so you bash him on a message board, in fear of possibly being hit if you had attempted to walk up to his face and speak the very same crap you've posted here.

Umm... yeah!  That's the only reason someone would choose to criticize someone else's work.  It has nothing to do with the quality of their work!  And you really hit the nail on the head about the only reason I would post my opinion on a message board instead of giving my opinions to John K. directly because I'm afraid they'll hit me for expressing the sentiment that I don't think his work is humorous because I find subtlety funnier than explicitness.  It has nothing to do with the fact that I've never met John Kricfalusi, don't know where he lives, and don't have the money, resources, or desire to track him down express my opinions of his work to him directly.  It's all because I'm a jealous coward.  You are such an astute judge of my character.  Are you a psychologist, by chance, friend Isaac?

You are clueless.
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: daltysmilth on May 25, 2008, 10:27:05 PM
Enlighten me, then, friend Isaac.  What am I clueless about?  What knowledge have you to impart that will benefit my growth as a human being?  What have you learned in your 18 years that I, in my 25 years, have not?
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: Petey Wheatstraw on May 25, 2008, 10:28:21 PM
Enlighten me, then, friend Isaac.  What am I clueless about?  What knowledge have you to impart that will benefit my growth as a human being?  What have you learned in your 18 years that I, in my 25 years, have not?

You have no idea how to shut up and not ramble on and on, looking like an idiot.
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on May 26, 2008, 06:26:06 AM
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Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: Doctor Who? on May 26, 2008, 07:21:48 AM
I have tried to get into Ren and Stimpy but it never made me laugh.

I guess I just don't get it.
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: MSTJedi on May 26, 2008, 08:03:17 AM
And when it comes to artists being better when they're overcoming censorship rather than allowed to do whatever the hell they want, just look at Hitchcock's movies. Compare Psycho to Frenzy and tell me Frenzy is honestly better.

I liked Frenzy better than Psycho.

How did I know you were going to say that? Maybe it's just a matter of personality. It seems that some people like their comedy and/or fright "in your face" and others prefer subtlety. Eh, to each their own.

I don't PREFER ANYTHING. I don't know what the hell you are talking about. Funny is funny. It doesn't matter if it's subtle or "in your face". The difference between John Kricfalusi's cartoons and most other cartoons being made today is the difference between drinking a nice, cold Faygo and falling into a bed filled with rusty nails.

See, some people may like a Faygo and a bed of nails, Isaac. Some people probably even like the animation that you think is crap. I hope that someday you grow up and learn that just because you believe something, it doesn't make it absolute. Everyone has their own perspective. Thus my sig. I'm not invalidating your opinion, I just don't appreciate your bashing everyone who doesn't agree with you.
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: daltysmilth on May 26, 2008, 11:11:16 AM
Enlighten me, then, friend Isaac.  What am I clueless about?  What knowledge have you to impart that will benefit my growth as a human being?  What have you learned in your 18 years that I, in my 25 years, have not?

You have no idea how to shut up and not ramble on and on, looking like an idiot.

Hello there, Pot.  My name is Kettle.  So you think I'm black, eh?  Well aren't you going to be in for a surprise the next time you look in a mirror?

You want to know something I have learned in my 25 years on this planet that you apparently have not?  That people, and I'm mature enough to include myself in this list, are rarely as smart as they think they are.  And I've learned that it's okay for people to have different viewpoints than my own, and that it's good to listen to people with different viewpoints, because you might actually learn something.  For instance, in the course of this thread, I have learned that if someone disputes your opinion, Isaac, or makes an admittedly dumb and obvious joke at the expense of something you enjoy, you get extremely defensive, accuse them of trolling, and then resort to ad hominem attacks.  You're not likely to win a lot of support for your opinions this way, even if your opinion is something fairly indisputable, like "Air can be beneficial to breathing in many cases."
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: mike5150 on May 26, 2008, 12:43:36 PM
Enlighten me, then, friend Isaac.  What am I clueless about?  What knowledge have you to impart that will benefit my growth as a human being?  What have you learned in your 18 years that I, in my 25 years, have not?

You have no idea how to shut up and not ramble on and on, looking like an idiot.

Hello there, Pot.  My name is Kettle.  So you think I'm black, eh?  Well aren't you going to be in for a surprise the next time you look in a mirror?

You want to know something I have learned in my 25 years on this planet that you apparently have not?  That people, and I'm mature enough to include myself in this list, are rarely as smart as they think they are.  And I've learned that it's okay for people to have different viewpoints than my own, and that it's good to listen to people with different viewpoints, because you might actually learn something.  For instance, in the course of this thread, I have learned that if someone disputes your opinion, Isaac, or makes an admittedly dumb and obvious joke at the expense of something you enjoy, you get extremely defensive, accuse them of trolling, and then resort to ad hominem attacks.  You're not likely to win a lot of support for your opinions this way, even if your opinion is something fairly indisputable, like "Air can be beneficial to breathing in many cases."
Its true what they say....NEVER discuss politics, religion or animation?.............that being said I vote for elmer fudd, God,  that guy gets under my F&^($in skin! I'm huntin wabbits.  why dont you just drop dead!  WHAT A DICK!   Does this have to be about real people?
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: ImOscardotcom on May 26, 2008, 12:50:48 PM
Enlighten me, then, friend Isaac.  What am I clueless about?  What knowledge have you to impart that will benefit my growth as a human being?  What have you learned in your 18 years that I, in my 25 years, have not?

You have no idea how to shut up and not ramble on and on, looking like an idiot.

Hello there, Pot.  My name is Kettle.  So you think I'm black, eh?  Well aren't you going to be in for a surprise the next time you look in a mirror?

You want to know something I have learned in my 25 years on this planet that you apparently have not?  That people, and I'm mature enough to include myself in this list, are rarely as smart as they think they are.  And I've learned that it's okay for people to have different viewpoints than my own, and that it's good to listen to people with different viewpoints, because you might actually learn something.  For instance, in the course of this thread, I have learned that if someone disputes your opinion, Isaac, or makes an admittedly dumb and obvious joke at the expense of something you enjoy, you get extremely defensive, accuse them of trolling, and then resort to ad hominem attacks.  You're not likely to win a lot of support for your opinions this way, even if your opinion is something fairly indisputable, like "Air can be beneficial to breathing in many cases."

Why are you such a cockgobbler?

There! Saved you the trouble, Isaac! Happy?

Sorry, nothing personal Dalty.
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: Petey Wheatstraw on May 26, 2008, 01:42:33 PM
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Enlighten me, then, friend Isaac.  What am I clueless about?  What knowledge have you to impart that will benefit my growth as a human being?  What have you learned in your 18 years that I, in my 25 years, have not?

You have no idea how to shut up and not ramble on and on, looking like an idiot.

Hello there, Pot.  My name is Kettle.  So you think I'm black, eh?  Well aren't you going to be in for a surprise the next time you look in a mirror?

You want to know something I have learned in my 25 years on this planet that you apparently have not?  That people, and I'm mature enough to include myself in this list, are rarely as smart as they think they are.  And I've learned that it's okay for people to have different viewpoints than my own, and that it's good to listen to people with different viewpoints, because you might actually learn something.  For instance, in the course of this thread, I have learned that if someone disputes your opinion, Isaac, or makes an admittedly dumb and obvious joke at the expense of something you enjoy, you get extremely defensive, accuse them of trolling, and then resort to ad hominem attacks.  You're not likely to win a lot of support for your opinions this way, even if your opinion is something fairly indisputable, like "Air can be beneficial to breathing in many cases."

(http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/2557/hippoyawnrm9.jpg)

Enlighten me, then, friend Isaac.  What am I clueless about?  What knowledge have you to impart that will benefit my growth as a human being?  What have you learned in your 18 years that I, in my 25 years, have not?

You have no idea how to shut up and not ramble on and on, looking like an idiot.

Hello there, Pot.  My name is Kettle.  So you think I'm black, eh?  Well aren't you going to be in for a surprise the next time you look in a mirror?

You want to know something I have learned in my 25 years on this planet that you apparently have not?  That people, and I'm mature enough to include myself in this list, are rarely as smart as they think they are.  And I've learned that it's okay for people to have different viewpoints than my own, and that it's good to listen to people with different viewpoints, because you might actually learn something.  For instance, in the course of this thread, I have learned that if someone disputes your opinion, Isaac, or makes an admittedly dumb and obvious joke at the expense of something you enjoy, you get extremely defensive, accuse them of trolling, and then resort to ad hominem attacks.  You're not likely to win a lot of support for your opinions this way, even if your opinion is something fairly indisputable, like "Air can be beneficial to breathing in many cases."

Why are you such a cockgobbler?

There! Saved you the trouble, Isaac! Happy?

Sorry, nothing personal Dalty.

Why are you apologizing? He IS a cockgobbler.
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: Petey Wheatstraw on May 26, 2008, 01:44:32 PM
And when it comes to artists being better when they're overcoming censorship rather than allowed to do whatever the hell they want, just look at Hitchcock's movies. Compare Psycho to Frenzy and tell me Frenzy is honestly better.

I liked Frenzy better than Psycho.

How did I know you were going to say that? Maybe it's just a matter of personality. It seems that some people like their comedy and/or fright "in your face" and others prefer subtlety. Eh, to each their own.

I don't PREFER ANYTHING. I don't know what the hell you are talking about. Funny is funny. It doesn't matter if it's subtle or "in your face". The difference between John Kricfalusi's cartoons and most other cartoons being made today is the difference between drinking a nice, cold Faygo and falling into a bed filled with rusty nails.

See, some people may like a Faygo and a bed of nails, Isaac. Some people probably even like the animation that you think is crap. I hope that someday you grow up and learn that just because you believe something, it doesn't make it absolute. Everyone has their own perspective. Thus my sig. I'm not invalidating your opinion, I just don't appreciate your bashing everyone who doesn't agree with you.

Faygo and breathing are the two most essential ingredients to living. ;D ;)
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: ImOscardotcom on May 26, 2008, 01:48:26 PM
Why are you still here Isaac? You fight with everyone here. No one agrees with you. You don't even seem to like anybody on this forum, so why not simply go to another one that might suit you better?
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: Petey Wheatstraw on May 26, 2008, 01:50:38 PM
Why are you still here Isaac? You fight with everyone here. No one agrees with you. You don't even seem to like anybody on this forum, so why not simply go to another one that might suit you better?

Why are you still here ImOscardotcom? You fight with everyone here. No one agrees with you. You don't even seem to like anybody on this forum, so why not simply go to another one that might suit you better?
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: ImOscardotcom on May 26, 2008, 01:53:11 PM
Why are you still here Isaac? You fight with everyone here. No one agrees with you. You don't even seem to like anybody on this forum, so why not simply go to another one that might suit you better?

Why are you still here ImOscardotcom? You fight with everyone here. No one agrees with you. You don't even seem to like anybody on this forum, so why not simply go to another one that might suit you better?

You didn't answer my question.
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: Petey Wheatstraw on May 26, 2008, 01:53:51 PM
Why are you still here Isaac? You fight with everyone here. No one agrees with you. You don't even seem to like anybody on this forum, so why not simply go to another one that might suit you better?

Why are you still here ImOscardotcom? You fight with everyone here. No one agrees with you. You don't even seem to like anybody on this forum, so why not simply go to another one that might suit you better?

You didn't answer my question.

You didn't answer my question.
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: ImOscardotcom on May 26, 2008, 01:56:31 PM
You're not going to answer my question, are you? Or at least not in a way that doesn't involve taking whatever someone says to you and twisting it slightly?
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: Petey Wheatstraw on May 26, 2008, 01:58:57 PM
I'm sorry, did you say something at some point today? I must not have noticed it.
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: ImOscardotcom on May 26, 2008, 02:00:33 PM
This isn't going to stop until I end up killing you, is it?
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: daltysmilth on May 26, 2008, 02:12:20 PM
Seriously, dude, if you can legitimately refute anything I said, I will not bother you again.  And saying I'm stupid doesn't count as a refutation.  Though I am a bit disappointed that you haven't accused me of being a retarded, bed-wetting 45-year-old who lives with his parents and spends all his time posting on forums because he's incapable of communicating with actual people.

In any case, getting back to the topic at hand,

I'd like to weigh in on the opinion of Walt Disney being the most hated person in the history of animation.  I would contend just the opposite.  Even assuming all those things about him being an anti-semite nazi supporter who treated all of his employees like dirt are true, the fact is he has been one of the most if not THE most influential figure in animation history.  You'd have to go pretty far to find someone who's never seen, say, Snow White And The Seven Dwarfs, and you'd have to go even farther to find someone who's never at least heard of Mickey Mouse.

Besides that, Disney was a big supporter of innovation in Special Effects and film-making techniques.  The multiplane camera was first widely used by Disney animators, and that was an achievment that was only surpassed by the advent of CGI in animated films.  And ever hear of audio animatronics?  They're most widely used in Disney theme parks, but they were first used in Disney's films, notably 20,000 Leagues Under The Sea and Mary Poppins.  (Which technically weren't animated films, but Mary Poppins, of course, did have animated sequences.)  And the fact is, even today people know when they see a Disney movie, they're going to get a film that's appropriate for all ages.  So Disney left a mark on the world, and I would say it's a fairly positive one.
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on May 26, 2008, 03:14:47 PM
This isn't going to stop until I end up killing you, is it?

You've been Isaac'd!  Ha-cha-cha-chaaaaaaa!
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: Courtney on May 26, 2008, 03:31:55 PM
Why are you still here Isaac? You fight with everyone here. No one agrees with you. You don't even seem to like anybody on this forum, so why not simply go to another one that might suit you better?

Why are you still here ImOscardotcom? You fight with everyone here. No one agrees with you. You don't even seem to like anybody on this forum, so why not simply go to another one that might suit you better?

You didn't answer my question.

You didn't answer my question.

Oh. My. God.  That might win for the most grade school-iest thing I've ever seen on this forum.  Isaac, you've outdone yourself.   :clap: 
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: Petey Wheatstraw on May 26, 2008, 03:36:15 PM
Why are you still here Isaac? You fight with everyone here. No one agrees with you. You don't even seem to like anybody on this forum, so why not simply go to another one that might suit you better?

Why are you still here ImOscardotcom? You fight with everyone here. No one agrees with you. You don't even seem to like anybody on this forum, so why not simply go to another one that might suit you better?

You didn't answer my question.

You didn't answer my question.

Oh. My. God.  That might win for the most grade school-iest thing I've ever seen on this forum.  Isaac, you've outdone yourself.   :clap: 

Even after seeing this?

This isn't going to stop until I end up killing you, is it?

You've been Isaac'd!  Ha-cha-cha-chaaaaaaa!

But, no, my behavior was not comparable to that which can be found in someone in grade school. I was cleverly making fun of ImOscardotcom. You clearly have no sense of humor. ImOscardotcom likes to make up his own reality and likes to think that he's right about whatever obscure "argument" he tries to start, even if actual reality is against him.
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: ImOscardotcom on May 26, 2008, 03:55:46 PM
Why are you still here Isaac? You fight with everyone here. No one agrees with you. You don't even seem to like anybody on this forum, so why not simply go to another one that might suit you better?

Why are you still here ImOscardotcom? You fight with everyone here. No one agrees with you. You don't even seem to like anybody on this forum, so why not simply go to another one that might suit you better?

You didn't answer my question.

You didn't answer my question.

Oh. My. God.  That might win for the most grade school-iest thing I've ever seen on this forum.  Isaac, you've outdone yourself.   :clap: 

Even after seeing this?

This isn't going to stop until I end up killing you, is it?

You've been Isaac'd!  Ha-cha-cha-chaaaaaaa!

Your impressions of grade-schoolers is very different from mine. They usually don't make Jimmy Durante imprressions, for a start.
 
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But, no, my behavior was not comparable to that which can be found in someone in grade school. I was cleverly making fun of ImOscardotcom. You clearly have no sense of humor. ImOscardotcom likes to make up his own reality and likes to think that he's right about whatever obscure "argument" he tries to start, even if actual reality is against him.

Then why don't you go to a forum where they might actually have a sense of humor and where they might not make up their own reality? That's all I'm asking.
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on May 26, 2008, 03:59:26 PM
I think he could rule the Sesame Street forum.
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: anais.jude on May 26, 2008, 04:28:05 PM
I like "imoscardotcom"
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: ImOscardotcom on May 26, 2008, 04:30:40 PM
I like "imoscardotcom"

Thanks!
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on May 26, 2008, 04:33:35 PM
Wait, so you do or don't want Isaac to rule the imoscar.com forum?
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: ImOscardotcom on May 26, 2008, 04:37:53 PM
Wait, so you do or don't want Isaac to rule the imoscar.com forum?

:shudders:

Incidentally...

How about this, Isaac? (http://www.ralphbakshi.com/forum/)

They've got guys with Zappa quotes in their sigs and everything!
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: anais.jude on May 26, 2008, 04:39:24 PM
Isaac said no one liked Imoscardotcom, and i am saying that i do
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: mrbasehart on May 26, 2008, 04:41:05 PM
Wait, so you do or don't want Isaac to rule the imoscar.com forum?

:shudders:

Incidentally...

How about this, Isaac? (http://www.ralphbakshi.com/forum/)

They've got guys with Zappa quotes in their sigs and everything!

Too late.  There's already an Isaac over there. 

...

Waitaminute....!
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: ImOscardotcom on May 26, 2008, 04:51:05 PM
http://www.ralphbakshi.com/forum/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=20 (http://www.ralphbakshi.com/forum/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=20)

OHMYGODOHMYGODOHMYGOD

Frank Zappa quote in the sig, using these (  8) ) in the "what are you listening to now?' thread, THIS image:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61Z68jhNpKL._SL500_AA280_.jpg)

I think we just stumbled on Isaac's other life.

And 'Filmmaker'?
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on May 26, 2008, 04:55:15 PM
You really think this is him?
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3269/2526337586_fc983ed904_o.png)

Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: ImOscardotcom on May 26, 2008, 04:56:42 PM
Check out his latest posts:

http://www.ralphbakshi.com/forum/search.php?search_author=Isaac (http://www.ralphbakshi.com/forum/search.php?search_author=Isaac)
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on May 26, 2008, 05:02:14 PM
I think I like that Isaac better.
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: ImOscardotcom on May 26, 2008, 05:11:18 PM
The strangest thing was reading about how Isaac2 considers 'Cool World' 'one of [Bakshi's] weaker efforts'. Bakshi has weaker efforts in Isaac's world?  ???
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: Petey Wheatstraw on May 26, 2008, 05:13:16 PM
Why are you still here Isaac? You fight with everyone here. No one agrees with you. You don't even seem to like anybody on this forum, so why not simply go to another one that might suit you better?

Why are you still here ImOscardotcom? You fight with everyone here. No one agrees with you. You don't even seem to like anybody on this forum, so why not simply go to another one that might suit you better?

You didn't answer my question.

You didn't answer my question.

Oh. My. God.  That might win for the most grade school-iest thing I've ever seen on this forum.  Isaac, you've outdone yourself.   :clap: 

Even after seeing this?

This isn't going to stop until I end up killing you, is it?

You've been Isaac'd!  Ha-cha-cha-chaaaaaaa!

Your impressions of grade-schoolers is very different from mine. They usually don't make Jimmy Durante imprressions, for a start.
 
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But, no, my behavior was not comparable to that which can be found in someone in grade school. I was cleverly making fun of ImOscardotcom. You clearly have no sense of humor. ImOscardotcom likes to make up his own reality and likes to think that he's right about whatever obscure "argument" he tries to start, even if actual reality is against him.

Then why don't you go to a forum where they might actually have a sense of humor and where they might not make up their own reality? That's all I'm asking.

Right, Mystery Science Theater 3000 fans are not known for their sense of humor.... ::)
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: Petey Wheatstraw on May 26, 2008, 05:19:00 PM
http://www.ralphbakshi.com/forum/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=20 (http://www.ralphbakshi.com/forum/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=20)

OHMYGODOHMYGODOHMYGOD

Frank Zappa quote in the sig, using these (  8) ) in the "what are you listening to now?' thread, THIS image:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61Z68jhNpKL._SL500_AA280_.jpg)

I think we just stumbled on Isaac's other life.

And 'Filmmaker'?

Yeah, so?

You choose to stalk me over the Internet to prove that you have a life of your own? ::)

A couple of points, though:

Although the person on Bakshi's forum is me, owning Funkadelic's Maggot Brain album doesn't necessarily make a person me, considering that it is ranked in several "must own" and "classic album" lists.

And the fact that I am a filmmaker is one of your points against me? ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

The strangest thing was reading about how Isaac2 considers 'Cool World' 'one of [Bakshi's] weaker efforts'. Bakshi has weaker efforts in Isaac's world?  ???

Short-term memory, Imcompletelyinsanedotcom?

Ralph Bakshi is a master of animation. He made some of the best American animated films and helped progress the art form. Pretty much every one of his films (discounting his most recent, which was the result of the director, the lead actress, and the studio wanting completely different things) is a masterpiece.
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: Petey Wheatstraw on May 26, 2008, 05:28:38 PM
Isaac said no one liked Imoscardotcom, and i am saying that i do

I never said that about Imsoinsanedotcom. I said that Ihavenobraindotcom likes to make up his own reality. That doesn't necessarily mean that Imanasshatdotcom is not liked. It means that Imatotalfucktarddotcom is liable to do things like stalk other posters on the Internet for no reason at all.
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on May 26, 2008, 05:30:12 PM
Are your movies animated Isaac?
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: Petey Wheatstraw on May 26, 2008, 05:32:11 PM
I think he could rule the Sesame Street forum.

You're just upset because you trolled the Sesame Street forum and were disappointed that you got banned, because you really, really wanted to post there. ;) ;D

Are your movies animated Isaac?

I make porn starring your mother. ;)
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on May 26, 2008, 05:32:40 PM
Really?  Have I seen any?
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: Petey Wheatstraw on May 26, 2008, 05:34:19 PM
Really?  Have I seen any?

Have you seen the remake of Deep Throat? ;) ;D
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on May 26, 2008, 06:03:03 PM
No, but you're saying my mom is in that?  That's a shocker.  When was it made?  Recently right?  Did she make money for you?
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on May 26, 2008, 06:04:51 PM
I saw her eat a large hamburger one time, and that was kinda shocking.
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: ImOscardotcom on May 26, 2008, 06:58:52 PM
http://www.ralphbakshi.com/forum/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=20 (http://www.ralphbakshi.com/forum/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=20)

OHMYGODOHMYGODOHMYGOD

Frank Zappa quote in the sig, using these (  8) ) in the "what are you listening to now?' thread, THIS image:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61Z68jhNpKL._SL500_AA280_.jpg)

I think we just stumbled on Isaac's other life.

And 'Filmmaker'?

Yeah, so?

Sooo you have an entirely other forum to log onto-one that, by the looks of it, better fits your personality than this one-and yet you still continue to post here, where everybody makes fun of you and picks fights with you day after day.

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You choose to stalk me over the Internet to prove that you have a life of your own? ::)

Hey, all I did was Google 'Ralph Bakshi Frank Zappa forum' in an attempt to be a nice guy and find a forum where you'd fit in better. Not my fault.

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Although the person on Bakshi's forum is me, owning Funkadelic's Maggot Brain album doesn't necessarily make a person me, considering that it is ranked in several "must own" and "classic album" lists.

Whose, Isaac?

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And the fact that I am a filmmaker is one of your points against me? ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

No, I just found it suprising that an 18-year-old who puts up mocking repetitions of the posts that those who disagree with him make on Internet forums was a filmmaker.

The strangest thing was reading about how Isaac2 considers 'Cool World' 'one of [Bakshi's] weaker efforts'. Bakshi has weaker efforts in Isaac's world?  ???

Short-term memory, Imcompletelyinsanedotcom?

Ralph Bakshi is a master of animation. He made some of the best American animated films and helped progress the art form. Pretty much every one of his films (discounting his most recent, which was the result of the director, the lead actress, and the studio wanting completely different things) is a masterpiece.

Yes, but you said lesser works. 'Cool World' I'll bet you don't like-since what Bakshi ended up making bears almost no resemblance to what he originally concieved-but suggesting that there is another of Bakshi's precious, precious films that is somehow flawed...again, I was just surprised, that's all.
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: daltysmilth on May 26, 2008, 08:43:53 PM
Well, Isaac, as you have not refuted my impressions of you, I can only assume that I am correct, and thus have won the argument.  I'm not one to gloat, but victory is quite sweet.  I'd like to thank all the little people, and by that, I do mean leprechauns. 
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: Petey Wheatstraw on May 26, 2008, 08:49:48 PM
http://www.ralphbakshi.com/forum/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=20 (http://www.ralphbakshi.com/forum/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=20)

OHMYGODOHMYGODOHMYGOD

Frank Zappa quote in the sig, using these (  8) ) in the "what are you listening to now?' thread, THIS image:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61Z68jhNpKL._SL500_AA280_.jpg)

I think we just stumbled on Isaac's other life.

And 'Filmmaker'?

Yeah, so?

Sooo you have an entirely other forum to log onto-one that, by the looks of it, better fits your personality than this one-and yet you still continue to post here, where everybody makes fun of you and picks fights with you day after day.

You are an idiot who thinks that any person who even makes the slightest negative comment about you is a target for your stalking. You are not "everyone". As far as "making fun of you" goes, who's making fun of me? I don't see that, really. I see you making a jackass out of yourself, but when have I ever been made fun of?

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Although the person on Bakshi's forum is me, owning Funkadelic's Maggot Brain album doesn't necessarily make a person me, considering that it is ranked in several "must own" and "classic album" lists.

Whose, Isaac?

Quote from: Wikipedia
In 2003, the album was ranked number 486 on Rolling Stone magazine's list of the 500 greatest albums of all time. Pitchfork Media ranked it #17 in their Top 100 Albums of the 70s list.

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And the fact that I am a filmmaker is one of your points against me? ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

No, I just found it suprising that an 18-year-old who puts up mocking repetitions of the posts that those who disagree with him make on Internet forums was a filmmaker.

I find it surprising that you are on this forum. Does your mommy have to check what websites you're on? Does she know about all the foot-fetish porn you peruse every evening after checking this forum's search engine to see if there has been any posts about Iambatshitinsanedotcom?

The strangest thing was reading about how Isaac2 considers 'Cool World' 'one of [Bakshi's] weaker efforts'. Bakshi has weaker efforts in Isaac's world?  ???

Short-term memory, Imcompletelyinsanedotcom?

Ralph Bakshi is a master of animation. He made some of the best American animated films and helped progress the art form. Pretty much every one of his films (discounting his most recent, which was the result of the director, the lead actress, and the studio wanting completely different things) is a masterpiece.

Yes, but you said lesser works. 'Cool World' I'll bet you don't like-since what Bakshi ended up making bears almost no resemblance to what he originally concieved-but suggesting that there is another of Bakshi's precious, precious films that is somehow flawed...again, I was just surprised, that's all.


Did you say something? Because all I'm reading here is 'blah blah blah blah blahblah blah bluh bluuuuh'.

Well, Isaac, as you have not refuted my impressions of you, I can only assume that I am correct, and thus have won the argument.  I'm not one to gloat, but victory is quite sweet.  I'd like to thank all the little people, and by that, I do mean leprechauns.

What the hell are you talking about?
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: MrTorso on May 26, 2008, 09:17:03 PM

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Although the person on Bakshi's forum is me, owning Funkadelic's Maggot Brain album doesn't necessarily make a person me, considering that it is ranked in several "must own" and "classic album" lists.

Whose, Isaac?


I know it is on mine. It is a great fucking record.
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: Petey Wheatstraw on May 26, 2008, 09:19:41 PM
So your comeback is to lash out violently, and then not understand what the people said?

Wow, you're George Bush, aren't you?

So your comeback is to not pay attention to anything that actually happens and make up your own reality?

Wow, you're Imoscardotcom, aren't you?
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: Petey Wheatstraw on May 26, 2008, 09:30:01 PM
Oh Isaac. You're so cute when you mimic everything.

It must get so lonely on Pluto.
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: daltysmilth on May 26, 2008, 10:49:41 PM
Since Isaac apparently didn't see the post in which I called him out, and because Isaac so loves inserting quotes from other posters and adding nothing of his own and think that constitutes "mocking" them, I shall repeat what I posted earlier:

Seriously, dude, if you can legitimately refute anything I said, I will not bother you again.  And saying I'm stupid doesn't count as a refutation.  Though I am a bit disappointed that you haven't accused me of being a retarded, bed-wetting 45-year-old who lives with his parents and spends all his time posting on forums because he's incapable of communicating with actual people.
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: Petey Wheatstraw on May 26, 2008, 10:58:22 PM
Since Isaac apparently didn't see the post in which I called him out, and because Isaac so loves inserting quotes from other posters and adding nothing of his own and think that constitutes "mocking" them, I shall repeat what I posted earlier:

Seriously, dude, if you can legitimately refute anything I said, I will not bother you again.  And saying I'm stupid doesn't count as a refutation.  Though I am a bit disappointed that you haven't accused me of being a retarded, bed-wetting 45-year-old who lives with his parents and spends all his time posting on forums because he's incapable of communicating with actual people.

Who are you? Have we met?
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: Petey Wheatstraw on May 26, 2008, 11:03:15 PM
Way to prove his point, Isaac.

This, my friends is contributing nothing. When you have nothing to say, so you make useless posts like "Way to prove his point, Isaac."

My post actually had actual content/humor. This is just sad.
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on May 26, 2008, 11:03:41 PM
Back on topic, did the movie make money?  Will my mom receive residuals?
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: daltysmilth on May 26, 2008, 11:15:00 PM
Way to prove his point, Isaac.

This, my friends is contributing nothing. When you have nothing to say, so you make useless posts like "Way to prove his point, Isaac."

My post actually had actual content/humor. This is just sad.

Well, it's probably a good sign that you can laugh at your own amnesia.
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: Tripe on May 27, 2008, 05:15:57 AM
Back on topic, did the movie make money?  Will my mom receive residuals?

A little, in the German market, it wasn't her best work in the final analysis.
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: RoninFox on May 27, 2008, 05:29:30 AM
You know, I think I've learned something today...I've learned that Alfred Kahn is the CEO of 4Kids Entertainment and has basically been criticized by traditional anime fans, who believe that his "Americanization" and censorship of anime licensed by 4Kids tarnishes their original format.

For that I thank TMC1982, without whom I may have never learned who was responsible for screwing up several anime shows I otherwise may have enjoyed watching without having to buy dvds.

That's pretty much it...
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on May 27, 2008, 05:40:52 AM
Well I learned that Isaac directs my mother in pornographic movies.  This is something I wasn't aware of.
I also learned that Isaac is sketchy about any profits these movies make.  This sounds fishy to me.
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: Tripe on May 27, 2008, 05:51:15 AM
This seems to fit here, being on the topic of bad public image amonst animators:

(http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb319/TripeHoundRedux/td080524.gif)
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: anais.jude on May 27, 2008, 10:20:11 AM
Well I learned that Isaac directs my mother in pornographic movies.  This is something I wasn't aware of.
I also learned that Isaac is sketchy about any profits these movies make.  This sounds fishy to me.


you should get a lawyer, BTA
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: Steve-O on May 27, 2008, 02:29:32 PM
Back on topic, did the movie make money?  Will my mom receive residuals?

A little, in the German market, it wasn't her best work in the final analysis.

Agreed.  The Final Anal-ysis was a stronger film, and she was stronger in it.
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: DarthChimay on May 28, 2008, 06:34:55 PM
Wow... after reading the epicness of this thread and laughing my tush off, I can only say 2 things:

1) Haim Saban is my vote for worst person. Replacing all of my beloved and poorly made Saturday morning cartoons with despicable and poorly made Saturday morning live action shows

2) What's wrong with foot fetish porn?
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on May 28, 2008, 06:43:38 PM


*Unless a) Your Mother is reading this thread (see above), or b) You're talking about Two Girls One Cup**
**You sick fucker.


Well apparently Isaac and my mom spend a lot of time together making movies so she probably doesn't have any time left to read forums.
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: DarthChimay on May 28, 2008, 06:45:02 PM

2) What's wrong with foot fetish any porn?

Nothing.*





*Unless a) Your Mother is reading this thread (see above), or b) You're talking about Two Girls One Cup**
**You sick fucker.


Two Girls, One Cup, and a Pizza Parlor?


I think I just made die a little adding Charlie Sheen into that video.
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: Tripe on May 28, 2008, 06:46:36 PM
The company that cleans my office is called Two Girls and a Bucket, I always feel a little queasy seeing their fridge magnet  :speechless:
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on May 28, 2008, 06:48:56 PM
The company that cleans my office is called Two Girls and a Bucket, I always feel a little queasy seeing their fridge magnet  :speechless:

Hopefully they never forget to take the bucket back with them.
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: mrbasehart on May 28, 2008, 06:50:30 PM
Have people seen the Two Girls, One Cup video? I have, but I'm just wondering who else has...
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: Tripe on May 28, 2008, 06:52:21 PM
I may scan it tomorrow
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: DarthChimay on May 28, 2008, 06:55:03 PM
Have people seen the Two Girls, One Cup video? I have, but I'm just wondering who else has...

I haven't been brave enough. I'm not afraid that I'd be sickened, but rather that I'd learn something new about what arouses me.
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: Tripe on May 28, 2008, 06:55:57 PM
It's nothing you and ALF haven't done, probably
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: DarthChimay on May 28, 2008, 07:00:42 PM
It's nothing you and ALF haven't done, probably

Let me just say, if he asks you to play some one-on-one boulliabaisseball, just say no. You'll never get the shellfish out.
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: Tripe on May 28, 2008, 07:02:01 PM
Sir you've made a happy childhood memory* sordid and wrong. :grr:


 ;)

* I loved the collectible cards even though I had never seen a baseball card
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: mrbasehart on May 28, 2008, 07:02:39 PM
It's nothing you and ALF haven't done, probably

Let me just say, if he asks you to play some one-on-one boulliabaisseball, just say no. You'll never get the shellfish out.

Yeah, the crabs are awful...
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: DarthChimay on May 28, 2008, 07:03:54 PM
Sir you've made a happy childhood memory sordid and wrong. :grr:


 ;)

Then don't let me get started on the Land of Make-believe. Turns out, that's not a trolley.
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: anais.jude on May 28, 2008, 08:54:52 PM
i saw about as much as imrahil, but i literally threw up afterward  :speechless:


who brought this monstrosity up?
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: Courtney on May 28, 2008, 09:03:37 PM
Have people seen the Two Girls, One Cup video? I have, but I'm just wondering who else has...

I have.  It was not good.  That said, does it say something bad about me that I didn't have the visceral reaction most people did?  I don't know.  I guess I thought it would somehow be worse?  I don't know what worse would be.  I don't think I want to know.  It was certainly abysmally disgusting and I watched the whole thing with my face contorted into a very raisiny shape, but I didn't throw up and I slept just fine afterwards.  I won't ever eat soft serve chocolate ice cream ever again, I can say that for sure.
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: a pretty girl is like on May 28, 2008, 09:17:37 PM
Have people seen the Two Girls, One Cup video? I have, but I'm just wondering who else has...

Seen it as well. 

Didn't care much for the lighting.
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: mrbasehart on May 28, 2008, 09:23:00 PM
It also produced some hilarious reaction videos on Youtube:

[yt=425,350]_SsUTLAhbWE[/yt]


Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: mrbasehart on May 28, 2008, 09:30:27 PM
I love (re)deflecting threads into discussions of disgusting coprophagiac porn.

Me too!

Anyone seen the BME Pain Olympics video? I've heard about it, but I'm not sure I can watch that kinda thing.
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: MrTorso on May 29, 2008, 12:05:31 AM
I love (re)deflecting threads into discussions of disgusting coprophagiac porn.

Me too!

Anyone seen the BME Pain Olympics video? I've heard about it, but I'm not sure I can watch that kinda thing.

GOATSE is the one true internet shock photo! All other are pale imitations.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: Tripe on May 29, 2008, 06:28:14 AM
Here it is, I just don't think "clean" when I see it, not matter how bonded and insured they are.

(http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb319/TripeHoundRedux/2girls.jpg)

I have no doubt the service is unique though.
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: anais.jude on May 29, 2008, 09:17:16 AM
the last time i asked someone what this things were, I watched 2 girls and a cup.


So basehart and Torso, you can take those things you mentioned and NEVER explain what they are.

For once, I prefer to be the uninitiated

Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: mrbasehart on May 29, 2008, 09:23:37 AM
the last time i asked someone what this things were, I watched 2 girls and a cup.


So basehart and Torso, you can take those things you mentioned and NEVER explain what they are.

For once, I prefer to be the uninitiated

No worries.  These things are always inflicted on other people by "friends" anyway, and I guess it's a few very strange individuals who actually seek out these kinds of things.
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: esoobaC .T bocaJ on May 29, 2008, 10:25:13 AM
I love (re)deflecting threads into discussions of disgusting coprophagiac porn.

Me too!

Anyone seen the BME Pain Olympics video? I've heard about it, but I'm not sure I can watch that kinda thing.

GOATSE is the one true internet shock photo! All other are pale imitations.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Who is the Most Hated Person in the History of the Animation Industry?
Post by: Steve-O on May 29, 2008, 01:29:29 PM
Here it is, I just don't think "clean" when I see it, not matter how bonded and insured they are.

Particularly disturbing is the fact that the bucket appears to be steaming.

I checked out the BME Pain Olympics vid last night, and wasn't bothered by it in the slightest, perhaps because the whole thing is such a dreadfully obvious fake.  Watching somebody cut into a rolled up wad of Plasticine is not particularly unnerving.