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Title: What have we learned?
Post by: Courtney on May 13, 2008, 09:42:23 PM
If you're going to have two characters that spend a large portion of the movie yelling at each other emotionally, maybe it's best to NOT cast a Brit and a Aussie, neither of whom are all that adept at an American accent.

And bonus, what we DIDN'T learn: so this has troubled me for some time, but so okay, if Jigsaw's whole game is that he makes people fight for their survival, then what of the dude with the opiate overdose who had no point but to lay there and have Shawnee sort through his organs?  How was he supposed to save himself?  Oh Jigsaw, you with your ambiguous morals and chic boxer shorts.
Title: Re: What have we learned?
Post by: gammer on May 13, 2008, 09:45:59 PM
Saws are sharp  :P
Title: Re: What have we learned?
Post by: Winboloer on May 13, 2008, 10:15:32 PM
Why couldn't they shoot the locks off? Or shimmy them with the stuff from his wallet?
Title: Re: What have we learned?
Post by: DarthChimay on May 14, 2008, 12:58:47 AM
I learned that Bill Corbett dropping an f-bomb is great comedy.

I learned that Saw is really a mask for the writer's fascination with furries.

And finally, I learned that I would love to have Shawnee Smith "sort through [my] organs." Oh, wait, what? That wasn't a euphemism? I stand by what I said.
Title: Re: What have we learned?
Post by: Sheik Yerbouti on May 14, 2008, 01:56:22 AM
I haven't watched the riff yet but going off my previous exposure to this movie I've learned:

That Cary Elwes is slowly morphing into Nick Nolte.  This cannot end well for him.

That it's really easy to give your movie a unforeseeable twist ending when the twist makes no freakin' sense whatsoever!  Thats' what annoyed me most about Saw.  I won't give it away but the ending makes you go 'Ah hah! Well that explains... wait, no it doesn't!'

Can't wait to watch this.
Title: Re: What have we learned?
Post by: esoobaC .T bocaJ on May 14, 2008, 04:01:49 AM
I learned Det. Tapp really needs a tie
Title: Re: What have we learned?
Post by: Courtney on May 14, 2008, 06:55:17 AM
Oh and I also learned that every other line in this movie is "Excuse me?" said in a condescending "hello, earth to you, I'm trying to get your attention, gah" tone.
Title: Re: What have we learned?
Post by: Darth Geek on May 14, 2008, 08:22:45 AM
I learned that I was right in avoiding this movie all this time. Funny riff, but GOOD GOD did this movie suck! Poinless, boring, annoying characters, useless twists that make no sense whatsoever. The only person I felt any empathy for was Danny Glover. Not his character, the actor.

And yes, Danny, you were awesome in Predator 2.
Title: Re: What have we learned?
Post by: skenderberg on May 14, 2008, 10:36:28 AM
I learned that the best way to excuse a ridiculous and nonsensical plot is to drive all your characters insane.
Title: Re: What have we learned?
Post by: Darth Geek on May 14, 2008, 11:13:06 AM
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I learned that the best way to excuse a ridiculous and nonsensical plot is to drive all your characters insane.

It works on the audience.

 :rimshot:
Title: Re: What have we learned?
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on May 14, 2008, 11:33:38 AM
I learned that the art of puppetry can be subverted for evil means.
Also, I learned that the machining of reverse bear traps can be accomplished in a soon to be overpriced downtown loft
Title: Re: What have we learned?
Post by: ShadowDog on May 14, 2008, 10:06:14 PM
I learned that I was right in avoiding this movie all this time. Funny riff, but GOOD GOD did this movie suck! Poinless, boring, annoying characters, useless twists that make no sense whatsoever. The only person I felt any empathy for was Danny Glover. Not his character, the actor.

Quoted for truth!

Also, I learned that everyone telling me they were watching this franchise for the "story" or the "clever twists" or the "sense of irony" were a bunch of fucking liars.
Title: Re: What have we learned?
Post by: Darth Geek on May 15, 2008, 09:44:10 AM
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Also, I learned that everyone telling me they were watching this franchise for the "story" or the "clever twists" or the "sense of irony" were a bunch of fucking liars.

If they said they were watching it for the gore, they were lying, too.
Title: Re: What have we learned?
Post by: ShadowDog on May 15, 2008, 10:37:09 AM
What does that leave?  Filthy bathrooms?  Really bad paleface makeup?
Title: Re: What have we learned?
Post by: DarthChimay on May 15, 2008, 11:07:28 AM
What does that leave?  Filthy bathrooms?  Really bad paleface makeup?

Shawnee Smith.

Delectable.
Title: Re: What have we learned?
Post by: gammer on May 15, 2008, 12:18:55 PM
oh...oh...oh...
I learned that when you get upset or in distress, your voice goes up a few octaves...like you're getting squeezed *down there*  :-\
Title: Re: What have we learned?
Post by: ShadowDog on May 15, 2008, 06:04:27 PM
Shawnee Smith.

Delectable.

She needed more screen time, definitely.
Title: Re: What have we learned?
Post by: esoobaC .T bocaJ on May 15, 2008, 06:05:11 PM
see the next 2 then
Title: Re: What have we learned?
Post by: Rattrap007 on May 15, 2008, 06:39:49 PM
I learned that if I have a leg clamp on and am chained to a pipe, not to try cutting the small lock or attack it in anyway, but instead should focus all my attention on the chains or pipe.
Title: Re: What have we learned?
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on May 15, 2008, 06:45:35 PM
That's what I was wondering about.  On that lock you would only have to cut off one end, but if you cut the chain you have to go through two ends.  Idiots.  Plus the lock is smaller than the chain.
Title: Re: What have we learned?
Post by: DarthChimay on May 15, 2008, 07:07:55 PM
see the next 2 then

Her haircut was so awful in the other two though.
Title: Re: What have we learned?
Post by: esoobaC .T bocaJ on May 15, 2008, 07:09:07 PM
good point
Title: Re: What have we learned?
Post by: Courtney on May 15, 2008, 07:27:48 PM
see the next 2 then

Her haircut was so awful in the other two though.

It wasn't bad in the third, it had grown out a bit.  The second one, yeah.  Not a good look.
Title: Re: What have we learned?
Post by: ShadowDog on May 15, 2008, 09:15:43 PM
I'll never know because after seeing this one I learned I'm never watching another one of these turds.  Unless saying that encourages them to do a sequel?  NOOOOOOOOOOO!
Title: Re: What have we learned?
Post by: GLaDOS on May 15, 2008, 10:30:38 PM
Bill Corbett drops the F-bomb? I may have to get this movie and rifftrax after all...  :D
Title: Re: What have we learned?
Post by: DarthChimay on May 15, 2008, 11:22:26 PM
see the next 2 then

Her haircut was so awful in the other two though.

It wasn't bad in the third, it had grown out a bit.  The second one, yeah.  Not a good look.

I thought she still had that "yeah, I let my 2 year old cut it with safety scissors" look in 3... I'll have to watch it again.
Title: Re: What have we learned?
Post by: Sheik Yerbouti on May 17, 2008, 10:57:00 AM
Watching this again with the riff I've also learned that while Jigsaw can construct the most elaborate death traps imaginable, for some reason he buys security camera with the absolute shittiest picture and sound!  What the hell was up with that?  Did he just want to look more evil?  The terrorists in Iron Man had better security cameras!
Title: Re: What have we learned?
Post by: Bob on May 17, 2008, 02:51:05 PM
Watching this again with the riff I've also learned that while Jigsaw can construct the most elaborate death traps imaginable, for some reason he buys security camera with the absolute shittiest picture and sound!  What the hell was up with that?  Did he just want to look more evil?  The terrorists in Iron Man had better security cameras!

Even your best mad men still need to shop at Wal-Mark for values now an then.
Title: Re: What have we learned?
Post by: ShadowDog on May 17, 2008, 05:18:41 PM
He spent all his money on that fake death mask that could fool a real doctor.
Title: Re: What have we learned?
Post by: CM916 on May 17, 2008, 10:53:25 PM
I learned two things:

1. This movie actually sucked regardless of what I might have thought when I saw it long ago.
2. I was too busy living vicariously through a fictional sociopath to notice that one of his victims kept randomly slipping into a British accent.
Title: Re: What have we learned?
Post by: Bob on May 18, 2008, 05:46:50 AM
2. I was too busy living vicariously through a fictional sociopath to notice that one of his victims kept randomly slipping into a British accent.

Why did they make Cary have an American accent?    There are thousands and thousand and thousands of people living in the US with British accents that have become American citizens.    Why couldn't he just keep his accent?    It would have had zero effect on the plot and he could have spend his energy on acting instead of accents.
Title: Re: What have we learned?
Post by: ShadowDog on May 18, 2008, 08:25:08 AM
It's fear of the intelligence of the audience, clearly.  The filmmakers were afraid that we would get confused about where the movie was taking place if anyone had an accent.

I once got into a bitter argument with one of my collaborators over what to call our parody of indie filmmaking.  I wanted to call it "Guerilla!" because it's about Guerilla Filmmaking and one of the characters shouts that out during random moments in the film.  One of my collaborators was worried that people would see the title and think the movie was about Guerilla fighters over in Iraq or something and pass on the movie.  I snapped back "If someone is walking down the wall in Blockbuster and sees our DVD showing a movie camera on the cover with the title Guerilla! and thinks its about Guerilla fighters instead of Guerilla filmmakers, they're too stupid to watch our movie and I don't want their business."  I'm sick and tired of Hollywood assuming the audience consists of only dumbasses, but it's a common fear among all filmmakers unfortunately.
Title: Re: What have we learned?
Post by: Just Some Guy on May 19, 2008, 02:24:37 AM
That's what I was wondering about.  On that lock you would only have to cut off one end, but if you cut the chain you have to go through two ends.  Idiots.  Plus the lock is smaller than the chain.

And if the phone is ringing and it's just out of reach then it's better to use your shirt as a tourniquet and saw off your leg rather than just looping it around the phone. 

And then it's better to hinge your hopes of rescue on a chest shot with a high caliber pistol being something that won't incapacitate the victim than waiting till the guy holding you hostage shows up and shooting him.

And if you are a police officer who has just identified the home of a serial killer you should not take five minutes to call a judge who would rubber stamp a search warrant for you faster than you could blink, have show up with back up and CSI in tow, and hide to surprise the serial killer as he's standing next to a hostage rather than subduing him immediately.
Title: Re: What have we learned?
Post by: Tony Farms AKA Puma Man on May 19, 2008, 06:44:23 AM
And why would he cut off his entire foot, rather than cut off the heel and squeeze out of the lock?

At least you'd still have some of your foot left.
Title: Re: What have we learned?
Post by: Tyrant on May 20, 2008, 03:08:54 PM
I learned that people in bad horror movies are really, really, REALLY stupid.

Granted, two guys wake up in this horrendous situation and it's understandible they'd be panicked. AT FIRST. They've got HOURS to calm down, for the adrenaline rush to subside, and for rational thought to return. And yet they stil persist in being stupid the entire movie.
Title: Re: What have we learned?
Post by: DarthChimay on May 20, 2008, 03:10:34 PM
I learned that people in bad horror movies are really, really, REALLY stupid.

Granted, two guys wake up in this horrendous situation and it's understandible they'd be panicked. AT FIRST. They've got HOURS to calm down, for the adrenaline rush to subside, and for rational thought to return. And yet they stil persist in being stupid the entire movie.

I dunno... if I were trapped in a room with Cary Elwes for hours, I'd never stop panicking, just out of the pure dread that he'd start quoting Robin Hood, Men in Tights.
Title: Re: What have we learned?
Post by: Tyrant on May 20, 2008, 03:13:03 PM
I learned that people in bad horror movies are really, really, REALLY stupid.

Granted, two guys wake up in this horrendous situation and it's understandible they'd be panicked. AT FIRST. They've got HOURS to calm down, for the adrenaline rush to subside, and for rational thought to return. And yet they stil persist in being stupid the entire movie.

I dunno... if I were trapped in a room with Cary Elwes for hours, I'd never stop panicking, just out of the pure dread that he'd start quoting Robin Hood, Men in Tights.

  Ooooh, got me there. Two points for you!  ;D
Title: Re: What have we learned?
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on May 20, 2008, 03:30:44 PM
You've been Isaac'd!  Ha-cha-cha-chaaaaaaa!
Title: Re: What have we learned?
Post by: GregMcduck on May 20, 2008, 03:38:24 PM
Aie-yie-Isaac
Title: Re: What have we learned?
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on May 20, 2008, 03:40:28 PM
Please stop trolling every thread I post in.

Isaac

I'm not touching you.
Title: Re: What have we learned?
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on May 20, 2008, 03:50:54 PM
I've been Isaac'd!  Ha-cha-cha-chaaaaaaa!

Title: Re: What have we learned?
Post by: GregMcduck on May 20, 2008, 04:03:21 PM
You've been Isaac'd!  Ha-cha-cha-chaaaaaaa!
Title: Re: What have we learned?
Post by: esoobaC .T bocaJ on May 20, 2008, 04:10:10 PM
You've been Isaac'd!  Ha-cha-cha-chaaaaaaa!

(http://www.harringtonvending.com/images/Saharas%20Nuts%20-%20Split%20Nut.jpg)(http://www.starcase.com/images/OEM_RF/shipping_case_multi_laptops_foam_lined.jpg)

you're going to give him a suitcase full of doughnut holes?
Title: Re: What have we learned?
Post by: Courtney on May 20, 2008, 04:13:44 PM
2. I was too busy living vicariously through a fictional sociopath to notice that one of his victims kept randomly slipping into a British accent.

And the other one slipped into his Australian accent a few times too.  
Title: Re: What have we learned?
Post by: DarthChimay on May 20, 2008, 04:37:04 PM
2. I was too busy living vicariously through a fictional sociopath to notice that one of his victims kept randomly slipping into a British accent.

And the other one slipped into his Australian accent a few times too.  

And that other guy kept slipping into his Murtaugh accent.
Title: Re: What have we learned?
Post by: Tyrant on May 20, 2008, 04:56:28 PM
I learned that people in bad horror movies are really, really, REALLY stupid.

You WISH you made a movie as good as Saw. You know fully well that none of the characters behaved stupidly.

I can't make a movie like Saw because I'm not good at making movies and if I tried to make a movie like Saw, it would look like Saw, which was not a good movie in my opinion.

I respectfully have to disagree with you about the characters being stupid. It's a known fact that in gory horror movies like this, the characters have to be semi-mentally challenged or there isn't much of a movie (under most directors, at least. There are a few horror movies with competent victims). Granted, most of us would be mightily mentally challenged too if we were stuck in the same scenarios the characters are in because the Fight or Flight response overrides higher brain functions. However, you've seen how other folks on this forum have picked apart all the brain dead actions the characters in Saw employed, everything from breaking the chain around the piping to the two cops going into Jigsaw's hideout with no backup or warrant, so I don't feel I have to break down why the characters are so stupid in this movie.

 But man, I admire your determination to defend this wreck of a movie. I say this not in a patronizing spirit, but one of genuine admiration.
Title: Re: What have we learned?
Post by: ShadowDog on May 20, 2008, 05:17:32 PM
What the hell?  That dude was totally slipping into his accent!  If you listened to the riff they even specifically pointed out cases where he did it.  Duh.
Title: Re: What have we learned?
Post by: Petey Wheatstraw on May 21, 2008, 11:13:36 AM
Saw came out at a really good time and changed horror for the better. After the (awful) film Scream came out, there were all these lame rip-offs that tried to imitate the film's poor attempt at being "clever" and self-referential. As this trend was dying out, it was replaced by mostly-shoddy PG-13 remakes of Asian horror films. Saw helped bring in some true horror films, and was actually a good film in itself. The idea of a killer that doesn't perform the killings himself, instead to allow the victims to harm themselves for failing to figure out the traps that have been set for them, is truly original and clever. This is a great horror film.
Title: Re: What have we learned?
Post by: Petey Wheatstraw on May 21, 2008, 11:17:14 AM
What the hell?  That dude was totally slipping into his accent!  If you listened to the riff they even specifically pointed out cases where he did it.  Duh.

They have to have something to make fun of. Like the Scottish accent in The Lord of the Rings. Mike actually liked the film, so he didn't think it was as over-the-top as he made it out to be in his riff (I did. He's in denial).

But, no, none of the accents slip. If you actually watched the film without the riff, you would not notice any slipping accents. The joke subconsciously plants the idea of a bad accent in your mind, and when you watch the film with a riff, if you hadn't seen it previously, you would believe that there was something wrong with the accents. I had actually seen the film before. There was never any problem with any accent.

Isaac
Title: Re: What have we learned?
Post by: Courtney on May 21, 2008, 11:17:29 AM
Saw came out at a really good time and changed horror for the better. After the (awful) film Scream came out, there were all these lame rip-offs that tried to imitate the film's poor attempt at being "clever" and self-referential. As this trend was dying out, it was replaced by mostly-shoddy PG-13 remakes of Asian horror films. Saw helped bring in some true horror films, and was actually a good film in itself. The idea of a killer that doesn't perform the killings himself, instead to allow the victims to harm themselves for failing to figure out the traps that have been set for them, is truly original and clever. This is a great horror film.

I agree with you on many points, especially that this film rejuvenated what had become a very lame genre, but that certainly doesn't mean it didn't have its flaws.  I've seen the movie many times and DEFINITELY noticed some accent slippage.
Title: Re: What have we learned?
Post by: DarthChimay on May 21, 2008, 11:37:26 AM
The idea of a killer that doesn't perform the killings himself, instead to allow the victims to harm themselves for failing to figure out the traps that have been set for them, is truly original and clever.

Except, Seven did that 9 years earlier.
Title: Re: What have we learned?
Post by: Steve-O on May 21, 2008, 11:45:47 AM
I agree with you on many points, especially that this film rejuvenated what had become a very lame genre, but that certainly doesn't mean it didn't have its flaws.  I've seen the movie many times and DEFINITELY noticed some accent slippage.

Pssssst.... Courtney.  You're obviously right, but if I were you I wouldn't work too hard trying to prove it.  I've come to the conclusion that Isaac might possibly be slightly unhinged.

And in the grand tradition of not practicing what I preach, I will add that Scream was a fine film, and a breath of fresh air for its time, too.  Don't blame the original for the shitty copycats that rode its coattails.
Title: Re: What have we learned?
Post by: Petey Wheatstraw on May 21, 2008, 11:50:44 AM
The idea of a killer that doesn't perform the killings himself, instead to allow the victims to harm themselves for failing to figure out the traps that have been set for them, is truly original and clever.

Except, Seven did that 9 years earlier.

That wasn't what Se7en was about. It was about a killer whose victims' deaths are related to the "seven deadly sins".
Title: Re: What have we learned?
Post by: Courtney on May 21, 2008, 11:54:01 AM
I agree with you on many points, especially that this film rejuvenated what had become a very lame genre, but that certainly doesn't mean it didn't have its flaws.  I've seen the movie many times and DEFINITELY noticed some accent slippage.

Pssssst.... Courtney.  You're obviously right, but if I were you I wouldn't work too hard trying to prove it.  I've come to the conclusion that Isaac might possibly be slightly unhinged.

I was inspired by Tyrant's thoughtful and respectful reply from earlier, I couldn't resist giving it a shot myself.  You'll notice that mine is vastly shorter.  I'm not very good at it.
Title: Re: What have we learned?
Post by: DarthChimay on May 21, 2008, 11:55:55 AM
I agree with you on many points, especially that this film rejuvenated what had become a very lame genre, but that certainly doesn't mean it didn't have its flaws.  I've seen the movie many times and DEFINITELY noticed some accent slippage.

Pssssst.... Courtney.  You're obviously right, but if I were you I wouldn't work too hard trying to prove it.  I've come to the conclusion that Isaac might possibly be slightly unhinged.

Oh, and Scream was a fine film, and a breath of fresh air for its time, too.  Don't blame the original for the shitty copycats that rode its coattails.

I watched Scream just the other night. It still holds up pretty well. I thought it held up better than Saw did. Granted, Rose McGowan's tight sweaters in High Definition sweetened the pot.
Title: Re: What have we learned?
Post by: Courtney on May 21, 2008, 11:58:08 AM
I agree with you on many points, especially that this film rejuvenated what had become a very lame genre, but that certainly doesn't mean it didn't have its flaws.  I've seen the movie many times and DEFINITELY noticed some accent slippage.

Pssssst.... Courtney.  You're obviously right, but if I were you I wouldn't work too hard trying to prove it.  I've come to the conclusion that Isaac might possibly be slightly unhinged.

Oh, and Scream was a fine film, and a breath of fresh air for its time, too.  Don't blame the original for the shitty copycats that rode its coattails.

I watched Scream just the other night. It still holds up pretty well. I thought it held up better than Saw did. Granted, Rose McGowan's tight sweaters in High Definition sweetened the pot.

Whatever happened to Matthew Lillard?  I thought he was the bees knees back in '96.
Title: Re: What have we learned?
Post by: Petey Wheatstraw on May 21, 2008, 12:03:41 PM
Pssssst.... Courtney.  You're obviously right, but if I were you I wouldn't work too hard trying to prove it.  I've come to the conclusion that Isaac might possibly be slightly unhinged.

How dare you say that I'm slightly unhinged! I'll kill you! I'll kill all of you! ;) :D ;D

I'm kidding.

Scream was a fine film, and a breath of fresh air for its time, too.  Don't blame the original for the shitty copycats that rode its coattails.

I found Scream and its sequel to be really, really dumb. Typical scene:

Jamie Kennedy: "In every horror movie, teenagers who say 'I'll be back' are killed!"
Some guy: "I'll be back!"
[Walks off, gets killed.]

It's the same scene over and over again, occasionally with the killer calling up some dopey teen and asking them trivial questions that they are not always likely to know (like the killer in Friday the 13th). Imagine if the killer instead asked them about history. Would it be scary or hilarious to watch some moron trying to figure out who assassinated Abe Lincoln to avoid having his throat cut open?

Idiot: Uh....uh..... who's Abraham Lincoln again? Is he the lead singer of Linkin Park?
[Gets killed.]
Title: Re: What have we learned?
Post by: Steve-O on May 21, 2008, 12:06:16 PM
I was inspired by Tyrant's thoughtful and respectful reply from earlier, I couldn't resist giving it a shot myself.

Many have tried.  All have failed.

Whatever happened to Matthew Lillard?  I thought he was the bees knees back in '96.

Two words: "Zoinks, Scoob!"
Title: Re: What have we learned?
Post by: Petey Wheatstraw on May 21, 2008, 12:11:44 PM
Whatever happened to Matthew Lillard?

Uwe Boll happened to Matthew Lillard.
Title: Re: What have we learned?
Post by: Courtney on May 21, 2008, 12:12:11 PM
Whatever happened to Matthew Lillard?  I thought he was the bees knees back in '96.

Two words: "Zoinks, Scoob!"

Ooh, yeah, blocked that out.  I generally block out James Gunn's involvement as well.
Title: Re: What have we learned?
Post by: Compound on May 21, 2008, 12:13:19 PM


Whatever happened to Matthew Lillard?  I thought he was the bees knees back in '96.


His last film was the Uwe Boll epic: "In the Name of the King: A Dungeon Siege Tale."  I wouldn't recommend a rental just to see him again.
Title: Re: What have we learned?
Post by: Petey Wheatstraw on May 21, 2008, 12:14:44 PM
Er...

http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php/topic,9088.msg265175.html#msg265175
Title: Re: What have we learned?
Post by: DarthChimay on May 21, 2008, 12:24:27 PM
Pssssst.... Courtney.  You're obviously right, but if I were you I wouldn't work too hard trying to prove it.  I've come to the conclusion that Isaac might possibly be slightly unhinged.

How dare you say that I'm slightly unhinged! I'll kill you! I'll kill all of you! ;) :D ;D

I'm kidding.

Scream was a fine film, and a breath of fresh air for its time, too.  Don't blame the original for the shitty copycats that rode its coattails.

I found Scream and its sequel to be really, really dumb. Typical scene:

Jamie Kennedy: "In every horror movie, teenagers who say 'I'll be back' are killed!"
Some guy: "I'll be back!"
[Walks off, gets killed.]

It's the same scene over and over again, occasionally with the killer calling up some dopey teen and asking them trivial questions that they are not always likely to know (like the killer in Friday the 13th). Imagine if the killer instead asked them about history. Would it be scary or hilarious to watch some moron trying to figure out who assassinated Abe Lincoln to avoid having his throat cut open?

Idiot: Uh....uh..... who's Abraham Lincoln again? Is he the lead singer of Linkin Park?
[Gets killed.]

But in Scream, the guy who says "I'll be back," was Matthew Lillard who
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. In fact, he says it twice.

And, yeah, I do think that a movie using Betsy Palmer as some crazed history teacher who tests her students before killing them in unique ways based of notorious serial killers in history (e.g. Elizabeth Bathory, Albert Fish, or Gilles de Rais) would be pretty awesome. Scary? I doubt it, but I haven't been scared by a horror movie since I first saw the original Haunting of Hill House when I was about 13.

Oh, and speaking of Lillard, we shouldn't forget what might've been the first step down the road to obscurity, Wing Commander.
Title: Re: What have we learned?
Post by: Compound on May 21, 2008, 12:30:26 PM

It's the same scene over and over again, occasionally with the killer calling up some dopey teen and asking them trivial questions that they are not always likely to know (like the killer in Friday the 13th). Imagine if the killer instead asked them about history. Would it be scary or hilarious to watch some moron trying to figure out who assassinated Abe Lincoln to avoid having his throat cut open?

Idiot: Uh....uh..... who's Abraham Lincoln again? Is he the lead singer of Linkin Park?
[Gets killed.]

Hmmm...

He's a part time teacher, flitting from school to school, class to class and never quite finding a niche and always putting up with the abuse that the students heaped upon his type. But one fateful day, the students went too far, and now he's going to give *them* an education. In Terror!

"I'm going to give you a little anatomy test, Jimmy. Which one of these should I cut so that you won't bleed to death? Your carotid artery or your jugular vein? (slice) Whoops. Trick question."

"Science time, Jeanette. What happens when we reduce your head's temperature to -280 C? Let's find out."

"Like my Home Ec project, Steve? I call it Filet o' your girlfriend."

He's... the Substitute Reaper! You'll be late to class... forever!


Yeah, I think that I'd watch that.
Title: Re: What have we learned?
Post by: RoninFox on May 21, 2008, 12:32:15 PM
Alls I can say about Mathew Lillard is he made a great Shaggy.

Zoinks!
Title: Re: What have we learned?
Post by: Compound on May 21, 2008, 12:38:21 PM
Er...

http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php/topic,9088.msg265175.html#msg265175

Yes, Issac. I started typing, went to IMDB to make sure that he hadn't snuck into something since then, started typing a reply noting that his agent had gone insane and cast him in such films greats as Wing Commander, Summer Catch, She's All That, Thirteen Ghosts, Without a Paddle... then decided that was irrelevant to the topic and just posted the Uwe Boll bit. And during that stretch of time, you posted as well. My apologies for not noticing that you had posted 90 seconds prior to that.
Title: Re: What have we learned?
Post by: Petey Wheatstraw on May 21, 2008, 12:41:04 PM
Scream was a fine film, and a breath of fresh air for its time, too.  Don't blame the original for the shitty copycats that rode its coattails.

I found Scream and its sequel to be really, really dumb. Typical scene:

Jamie Kennedy: "In every horror movie, teenagers who say 'I'll be back' are killed!"
Some guy: "I'll be back!"
[Walks off, gets killed.]

But in Scream, the guy who says "I'll be back," was Matthew Lillard who
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
. In fact, he says it twice.

I was making a generalization.

It's the same scene over and over again, occasionally with the killer calling up some dopey teen and asking them trivial questions that they are not always likely to know (like the killer in Friday the 13th). Imagine if the killer instead asked them about history. Would it be scary or hilarious to watch some moron trying to figure out who assassinated Abe Lincoln to avoid having his throat cut open?

Idiot: Uh....uh..... who's Abraham Lincoln again? Is he the lead singer of Linkin Park?
[Gets killed.]

And, yeah, I do think that a movie using Betsy Palmer as some crazed history teacher who tests her students before killing them in unique ways based of notorious serial killers in history (e.g. Elizabeth Bathory, Albert Fish, or Gilles de Rais) would be pretty awesome.

Where did I say that the killer copies well-known serial killers? What if he or she just drops an anvil on the victims, like in a Wile E. Coyote cartoon?

Hmmm...

He's a part time teacher, flitting from school to school, class to class and never quite finding a niche and always putting up with the abuse that the students heaped upon his type. But one fateful day, the students went too far, and now he's going to give *them* an education. In Terror!

"I'm going to give you a little anatomy test, Jimmy. Which one of these should I cut so that you won't bleed to death? Your carotid artery or your jugular vein? (slice) Whoops. Trick question."

"Science time, Jeanette. What happens when we reduce your head's temperature to -280 C? Let's find out."

"Like my Home Ec project, Steve? I call it Filet o' your girlfriend."

He's... the Substitute Reaper! You'll be late to class... forever!


Yeah, I think that I'd watch that.

But no, there wouldn't be any ultra-cheesy slasher movie one-liners. Just really easy questions that the students are too stupid to answer, followed by dropping a cartoon anvil on their head. But they're trying to be serious.
Title: Re: What have we learned?
Post by: MrTorso on May 21, 2008, 09:16:06 PM
But, no, none of the accents slip. If you actually watched the film without the riff, you would not notice any slipping accents. The joke subconsciously plants the idea of a bad accent in your mind, and when you watch the film with a riff, if you hadn't seen it previously, you would believe that there was something wrong with the accents. I had actually seen the film before. There was never any problem with any accent.

Isaac

Are we talking Saw here or LOTR? I have been making fun of Elwes horrible "American" accent since I saw it opening night in the theater. The big emotional scene with him yelling and screaming had us laughing our asses off in the theaters.  His "American" accent is horrible in this film. Sure he doesn't  "slip" quite in to a straight British accent but his "'merican" voice wavers on the absurd. It is AWFUL. Very much like Tim Roth's in Reservoir Dogs. Saw would have been much much better if they let Elwes have his normal speaking voice.
Title: Re: What have we learned?
Post by: Bob on May 22, 2008, 02:37:14 AM
Alls I can say about Mathew Lillard is he made a great Shaggy.

Zoinks!

I want to go back in time after he made SLC Punk and say "do more of those, less Scooby Dos and 13 Ghosts"
Title: Re: What have we learned?
Post by: Petey Wheatstraw on May 22, 2008, 11:51:37 AM
But, no, none of the accents slip. If you actually watched the film without the riff, you would not notice any slipping accents. The joke subconsciously plants the idea of a bad accent in your mind, and when you watch the film with a riff, if you hadn't seen it previously, you would believe that there was something wrong with the accents. I had actually seen the film before. There was never any problem with any accent.

Are we talking Saw here or LOTR? I have been making fun of Elwes horrible "American" accent since I saw it opening night in the theater. The big emotional scene with him yelling and screaming had us laughing our asses off in the theaters.  His "American" accent is horrible in this film. Sure he doesn't  "slip" quite in to a straight British accent but his "'merican" voice wavers on the absurd. It is AWFUL. Very much like Tim Roth's in Reservoir Dogs.

I didn't notice anything wrong with either of those accents. What was the problem?

Saw would have been much much better if they let Elwes have his normal speaking voice.

Or, the character was written as American and Elwes was the best actor for the part?
Title: Re: What have we learned?
Post by: MrTorso on May 22, 2008, 02:42:06 PM
But, no, none of the accents slip. If you actually watched the film without the riff, you would not notice any slipping accents. The joke subconsciously plants the idea of a bad accent in your mind, and when you watch the film with a riff, if you hadn't seen it previously, you would believe that there was something wrong with the accents. I had actually seen the film before. There was never any problem with any accent.

Are we talking Saw here or LOTR? I have been making fun of Elwes horrible "American" accent since I saw it opening night in the theater. The big emotional scene with him yelling and screaming had us laughing our asses off in the theaters.  His "American" accent is horrible in this film. Sure he doesn't  "slip" quite in to a straight British accent but his "'merican" voice wavers on the absurd. It is AWFUL. Very much like Tim Roth's in Reservoir Dogs.

I didn't notice anything wrong with either of those accents. What was the problem?

Saw would have been much much better if they let Elwes have his normal speaking voice.

Or, the character was written as American and Elwes was the best actor for the part?

The accents sound stilted and fake. It is like they have to concentrate on the accent instead of acting so the acting suffers. When I saw Reservoir Dogs when it came out I was not familiar with Tim Roth. The first thing I said to myself is what is wrong with his voice because it didn't sound natural to me, especially during emotional scenes. Maybe I am just overly sensitive to sounds but when it don't sound right it takes away from the movie for me.
Title: Re: What have we learned?
Post by: ShadowDog on May 23, 2008, 12:00:49 AM
I don't know what is puzzling me more, that fact that Issac couldn't hear that bad accent or the fact that he seems to be taking it personally they everyone else on the planet did.
Title: Re: What have we learned?
Post by: Petey Wheatstraw on May 23, 2008, 05:58:20 PM
I don't know what is puzzling me more, that fact that Issac couldn't hear that bad accent or the fact that he seems to be taking it personally they everyone else on the planet did.

Most people didn't hear any "bad accents": That is, everyone who isn't imagining things.
Title: Re: What have we learned?
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on May 23, 2008, 09:18:21 PM
I don't know what is puzzling me more, that fact that Issac couldn't hear that bad accent or the fact that he seems to be taking it personally they everyone else on the planet did.

Most people didn't hear any "bad accents": That is, everyone who isn't imagining things.

I must be imagining things again then.
Title: Re: What have we learned?
Post by: esoobaC .T bocaJ on May 24, 2008, 04:07:32 AM
I learned that Billy Loomis and Stuart Macher are the best horror film couple


Title: Re: What have we learned?
Post by: MrTorso on May 24, 2008, 08:16:24 AM
I don't know what is puzzling me more, that fact that Issac couldn't hear that bad accent or the fact that he seems to be taking it personally they everyone else on the planet did.

Most people didn't hear any "bad accents": That is, everyone who isn't imagining things.

 ::)





Edited because of pointlessness
Title: Re: What have we learned?
Post by: Pak-Man on May 24, 2008, 01:14:28 PM
Everything you know is wrong.
Up is down black is white and short is long.
And everything you used to think that was so important doesn't matter.
Everything you know is wrong.
Just forget the words and sing along.
All you really need to know is
everything you know is wrooooooooong!
Title: Re: What have we learned?
Post by: space_mutiny on August 05, 2008, 10:26:32 AM
I learned my perception of what is right or wrong can be scattered to the four winds by a single movie.

Oh wait, that's what I learned from "Glitter".
Title: Re: What have we learned?
Post by: esoobaC .T bocaJ on August 05, 2008, 10:57:28 AM
Everything you know is wrong.
Up is down black is white and short is long.
And everything you used to think that was so important doesn't matter.
Everything you know is wrong.
Just forget the words and sing along.
All you really need to know is
everything you know is wrooooooooong!


(http://www.zippoc.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/lex-luthor-wrong1.jpg)
 ;D
Title: Re: What have we learned?
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on August 05, 2008, 11:14:45 PM
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Title: Re: What have we learned?
Post by: esoobaC .T bocaJ on August 05, 2008, 11:59:44 PM
(http://www.ifeelthecosmos.com/saw4.jpg)
Title: Re: What have we learned?
Post by: MST3Kgirl on October 28, 2008, 01:54:56 PM
couldn't he just break his foot and slip it out of the chain?!
Title: Re: What have we learned?
Post by: zenmichael on November 04, 2008, 02:40:35 PM
If you're going to have two characters that spend a large portion of the movie yelling at each other emotionally, maybe it's best to NOT cast a Brit and a Aussie, neither of whom are all that adept at an American accent.

And bonus, what we DIDN'T learn: so this has troubled me for some time, but so okay, if Jigsaw's whole game is that he makes people fight for their survival, then what of the dude with the opiate overdose who had no point but to lay there and have Shawnee sort through his organs?  How was he supposed to save himself?  Oh Jigsaw, you with your ambiguous morals and chic boxer shorts.

If someone else has responded to this, I apologize for doubling up, but I just meant to glance in here, saw this, was frustrated, and didn't want to spend a lot of time looking through 6 pages to see if it'd already been answered.

Though I loved the riff, I actually found Saw entertaining, and the problem you're talking about here was my roommate's biggest problem with the movie, too, and I thought the answer to this was obvious.

1. if you want to go for the tamer, more sensible answer, it's this: think about ... uh ... the guy who's not cary elwes (don't remember the names) in the room. at the end of the movie, he's 'failed' by jigsaw's rules yet is still alive. so why isn't it conceivable the guy whose guts the chick had to go through didn't also 'fail' at an earlier trial that left him still alive and a possible key-hider?

2. Since we see from Saw 2 that he's just left to rot there anyway, that's probably not the answer, so let's go for the more cynical but more realistic answer. Everyone, oddly, seems to misinterpret Jigsaw's intentions. He says (and I'm probably paraphrasing here) 'i grew tired of seeing those around me wasting their lives.' he kind of HINTS he's trying to give people redemption or a chance to appreciate their lives, but that's not it at all. he's a twisted serial killer who gets off on murdering people & giving it some slight sense of justification. anything that doesn't make 100% sense or follow fair play he's going to justify b/c he's friggin nuts and really just wants to watch people squirm.

So, uh, having said that, did anyone else totally think this is how Arcade should be handled in the Ultimate X-Men? Just a thought.
Title: Re: What have we learned?
Post by: iv3rdawG on January 11, 2009, 09:25:13 AM
I learned that clock surgeons come in handy.
Title: Re: What have we learned?
Post by: qlopp on July 19, 2010, 11:11:30 PM
That's what I was wondering about.  On that lock you would only have to cut off one end, but if you cut the chain you have to go through two ends.  Idiots.  Plus the lock is smaller than the chain.

Yup, this is a way old topic, but I just saw Saw (riffed) for the first time last night...

Even the cheapest padlock has a case hardened shackle, which is extremely difficult to get a bite on with a hand hacksaw (if you could get the cut started it wouldn't be so bad the rest of the way).  Chains are typically mild steel which the saw can bite into.  I don't know about the pipe or whatever fixture the chains were attached to, might have to take a second look as I was interested in this plot point as well.

If the hack saw blade was new/sharp and made for metal, one could have gone through standard chain easily if careful.  A real blade would not have snapped in half the way that Adam's did; that was rigged to break as indicated in the commentary track -- just not rigged realistically  :)
Title: Re: What have we learned?
Post by: eegah on August 14, 2016, 05:01:04 PM
With all of the flashbacks in this movie, it could've been called "Already SAW It".

budum tish?