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Title: Any chance of getting one for the unrated release?
Post by: mkelehan on May 13, 2008, 05:22:23 PM
I'd imagine most of us sick folk who like this sort of thing have the unrated version, which of course won't synch up thanks to a couple extra minutes.  Any chance we'll get a version of the track timed to match up with that?
Title: Re: Any chance of getting one for the unrated release?
Post by: gojikranz on May 13, 2008, 05:48:17 PM
id like ot second this request, although i dont own it if i were to get it i dont want to own the rated cut.
Title: Re: Any chance of getting one for the unrated release?
Post by: BathTub on May 13, 2008, 06:31:44 PM
the difference is meant to be like 8 seconds.
Title: Re: Any chance of getting one for the unrated release?
Post by: gojikranz on May 13, 2008, 06:39:54 PM
i like using hte player so it would not work then though
Title: Re: Any chance of getting one for the unrated release?
Post by: Compound on May 13, 2008, 06:45:31 PM
Good news. Since I own the unrated version , I decided to not bother renting the rated version and just watched the Rifftrax using that. I didn't notice any more drift in the trax than usual. And having just done the Audacity/Rifftrax combine thing, the synch lines line up throughout the film. I had to add half a second in at one point as towards the middle, the movie audio gets a beat ahead of the Rifftrax, but that was it.  You shouldn't have any problems watching the Rifftrax with the unrated version.
Title: Re: Any chance of getting one for the unrated release?
Post by: Raven on May 14, 2008, 01:22:41 PM
Good news. Since I own the unrated version , I decided to not bother renting the rated version and just watched the Rifftrax using that. I didn't notice any more drift in the trax than usual. And having just done the Audacity/Rifftrax combine thing, the synch lines line up throughout the film. I had to add half a second in at one point as towards the middle, the movie audio gets a beat ahead of the Rifftrax, but that was it.  You shouldn't have any problems watching the Rifftrax with the unrated version.

Mine jumped out of synch, not even 3 minutes into the movie by at least a half a second.  I didn't bother trying to resynch the rest.  Maybe if you reauthor and can check the synch lines it'll be ok but I don't recommend trying it live.
Title: Re: Any chance of getting one for the unrated release?
Post by: Prince of Space on May 14, 2008, 10:19:24 PM
I definitely need to agree. Most hard core movie fans are not going to be buying theatrical releases and rated releases when a director's cut or unrated version exists. I was thinking about making this post yesterday and then they announce The Two Towers also is a theatrical release. No true fan is going to own the theatrical Lord of the Rings set. I would really recommend to start considering using the unrated and extended cuts. Is it to be more family friendly? I mean with Saw how could it be? Now I gotta go find where the differences are between Saw theatrical and unrated.
Title: Re: Any chance of getting one for the unrated release?
Post by: Isaac S. on May 14, 2008, 10:33:49 PM
I definitely need to agree. Most hard core movie fans are not going to be buying theatrical releases and rated releases when a director's cut or unrated version exists. I was thinking about making this post yesterday and then they announce The Two Towers also is a theatrical release. No true fan is going to own the theatrical Lord of the Rings set. I would really recommend to start considering using the unrated and extended cuts. Is it to be more family friendly? I mean with Saw how could it be? Now I gotta go find where the differences are between Saw theatrical and unrated.

I would assume it has more to do with time (not overstaying their welcome, not having to write riffs for four hours' worth of movie) and, perhaps more importantly, availability (read: profitability).  "True fans" may not buy theatrical releases if there are other options out there, but I'd venture to say that more copies of the theatrical versions exist on average people's shelves and it's those off-the-shelf types of films that sell the most riffs because it's those average people who buy them.  I buy every riff and buy the movie to match it if I don't already own it, but most people are more selective.  It's more likely that those more selective folks will have a theatrical cut than an extended or unrated cut already on their shelves (especially if the theatrical was released first), which makes the decision to buy the riff that much easier.
Title: Re: Any chance of getting one for the unrated release?
Post by: gojikranz on May 14, 2008, 11:43:09 PM
i dont mind so much with two towers but supposedly the difference for saw is very minimal so it couldnt have taken more time.  and id hazard to guess more people who own the film own the unrated version becuase if your gonna get a movie like saw you oughta jsut go for the whole thing.
Title: Re: Any chance of getting one for the unrated release?
Post by: MrTorso on May 15, 2008, 01:48:00 AM
Or you bought it when it first came out and didn't feel like double dipping 8 months later when the unrated came out.  There are more copies of the theatrical version floating around than the later double dips.
Title: Re: Any chance of getting one for the unrated release?
Post by: Conor on May 15, 2008, 08:50:20 AM
Netflix carries the rated version of Saw.  Plenty of people seemed to have the theatrical cut of the first LOTR movie as well.  There's always the option of doing the expanded ones in the future.

We do consider the availability and ease to obtain of the movies.
Title: Re: Any chance of getting one for the unrated release?
Post by: Indomitus on May 15, 2008, 09:56:00 AM
We do consider the availability and ease to obtain of the movies.

Yeah, I seem to remember that being discussed at length here in the forum fairly early in Rifftrax's existence.

I'm one of those people who had the theatrical releases early on, but then upgraded to the extended versions.  If I remember right, I think I gave the other ones to my sister, or a cousin or something.  Whatever.  I don't mind renting or trying to find a used copy of it again.  It's a good movie, and the Rifftrax is usually worth it to me.
Title: Re: Any chance of getting one for the unrated release?
Post by: countv on May 16, 2008, 04:48:00 AM
I had to do some rifftrax surgery for my uncut version of Saw. There doesn't seem to be much added. At least no dialogue anyway. There are like 5 or 6 unserts (flashes) of footage that pepper the uncut version. It could definately be done by the rifftrax guys but I don't know if they need to with a little effort most people could either cut it themselves or re-sync when you notice something is a bit off. The riffing and dialogue in Saw is very "call and response" so it's easy to notice when anything loses sync. You could watch the uncut version with the theatrical rifftrax without much of a problem. All depends where you're watching and listening to it. If it's your PC (not the rifftrax player) then it wouldn't be an issue. Anywhere else and you might want to consider your laziness.  ;)
Title: Re: Any chance of getting one for the unrated release?
Post by: Thrifty on May 17, 2008, 03:49:54 AM
People get all uppity whenever there's a Rifftrax for a different version than they own, like in this case.

Here's a nutty idea; rent the version Rifftrax uses.  If you want to keep it forever and ever and ever, do a reauthor.  I've done that with every single Rifftrax I bought, and it's not that tough.
Title: Re: Any chance of getting one for the unrated release?
Post by: ShadowDog on May 17, 2008, 08:32:20 AM
There's another option too.  Check out your local used book/DVD stores. I found six copies of the LOTR theatrical version sitting there on the shelf for 4 bucks a pop.  That's no more than a dollar more than the rental even at the cheapo rental places.  I also saw the theatrical Saw for the same price but didn't buy it since rentals cost me nothing and I see no reason to own that turd.

What I didn't find?  The bonus/long/unrated versions of these movies.  What happens is when people buy the bigger versions they run to the used places and sell their old versions.  A year or two later the price has dropped way down.

So their system works as far as I'm concerned.
Title: Re: Any chance of getting one for the unrated release?
Post by: MrTorso on May 17, 2008, 08:55:20 AM
Check out your local used book/DVD stores.

You got that right:

(http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o255/MrTorso/Forum%20Posts/display001.jpg)

Title: Re: Any chance of getting one for the unrated release?
Post by: Just Some Guy on May 19, 2008, 02:39:00 AM
So is anyone else sick of the "Unrated" versions of films that just add a few seconds of not particularly special stuff so they can charge five more dollars for the "special" unrated version?  It's become an ugly scam...
Title: Re: Any chance of getting one for the unrated release?
Post by: MrTorso on May 19, 2008, 09:47:52 AM
So is anyone else sick of the "Unrated" versions of films that just add a few seconds of not particularly special stuff so they can charge five more dollars for the "special" unrated version?  It's become an ugly scam...

I know I am.
Title: Re: Any chance of getting one for the unrated release?
Post by: Indomitus on May 19, 2008, 11:23:50 AM
So is anyone else sick of the "Unrated" versions of films that just add a few seconds of not particularly special stuff so they can charge five more dollars for the "special" unrated version?  It's become an ugly scam...
And when they don't have any footage to dump into the film, they release a bare-bones DVD, wait a few weeks, then turn around and put on a "making of" short and call it a "Special Edition"
They've got their con down pat.
Title: Re: Any chance of getting one for the unrated release?
Post by: gojikranz on May 19, 2008, 01:02:05 PM
the best is when they release the crappy first dvd with "collectible covers!"  so you have to buy 4 versions of the crappy dvd then off course tyou gotta buy the special edition when it comes out in four months
Title: Re: Any chance of getting one for the unrated release?
Post by: ShadowDog on May 19, 2008, 01:05:22 PM
I'm sick of it as well.

And yes, Mr.Torso, I was thinking of you when I said that.  It's an awesome display! :clap:
Title: Re: Any chance of getting one for the unrated release?
Post by: drzdo on May 21, 2008, 10:58:10 AM
I definitely need to agree. Most hard core movie fans are not going to be buying theatrical releases and rated releases when a director's cut or unrated version exists. I was thinking about making this post yesterday and then they announce The Two Towers also is a theatrical release. No true fan is going to own the theatrical Lord of the Rings set. I would really recommend to start considering using the unrated and extended cuts. Is it to be more family friendly? I mean with Saw how could it be? Now I gotta go find where the differences are between Saw theatrical and unrated.

I hope most hardcore movie fans don't own a copy of Saw at all.  I suppose it takes all kinds of hardcore movie fans to fill the freeway.

But whatever.  Yes, I wish the MOST COMMONLY AVAILABLE version was riffed.  I can't find the theatrical version available to rent.
Title: Re: Any chance of getting one for the unrated release?
Post by: Compound on May 21, 2008, 12:41:05 PM
Folks, I watched it using the Unrated version. There wasn't any more drift than usual. I think I had to pause the DVD for a second at one point but that was the extent of the problem for me.
Title: Re: Any chance of getting one for the unrated release?
Post by: Relaxing Dragon on May 21, 2008, 12:57:07 PM
I have the unrated edition, and the fact that this wasn't for it didn't occur to me until after I was finished. I did experience some drift (and had to pause/unpause/pause them both and drag them into place a couple times), but nothing I couldn't fix after a few seconds editing. Still, I'll dig up a regular-edition (I think I saw a pile of them at the store the other day) and see if that's any better. Of course, I'm new to this whole process, so it may just be me.
Title: Re: Any chance of getting one for the unrated release?
Post by: Conor on May 22, 2008, 09:15:42 AM
I definitely need to agree. Most hard core movie fans are not going to be buying theatrical releases and rated releases when a director's cut or unrated version exists. I was thinking about making this post yesterday and then they announce The Two Towers also is a theatrical release. No true fan is going to own the theatrical Lord of the Rings set. I would really recommend to start considering using the unrated and extended cuts. Is it to be more family friendly? I mean with Saw how could it be? Now I gotta go find where the differences are between Saw theatrical and unrated.

I hope most hardcore movie fans don't own a copy of Saw at all.  I suppose it takes all kinds of hardcore movie fans to fill the freeway.

But whatever.  Yes, I wish the MOST COMMONLY AVAILABLE version was riffed.  I can't find the theatrical version available to rent.

We riffed the version that is available on Netflix and amazon.com.  Like we do for every release. 
Title: Re: Any chance of getting one for the unrated release?
Post by: Edward J Grug III on May 26, 2008, 10:04:24 PM
Check out your local used book/DVD stores.

You got that right:

(http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o255/MrTorso/Forum%20Posts/display001.jpg)



So, does it work? Have you had anyone come up and ask about it, or whatever?

Nice work!
Title: Re: Any chance of getting one for the unrated release?
Post by: MrTorso on May 27, 2008, 11:52:30 AM
I have had a few people talk to me about it. A bunch of the handouts have been taken too.
Title: Re: Any chance of getting one for the unrated release?
Post by: hailxenu on June 03, 2008, 03:56:49 PM
If you re-author, this site might help you (CAUTION - GRAPHIC STILLS):

http://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=2176

Of course, this is European.  But it might give you an idea of where to insert additional space in the riff.  The only downside is that it doesn't track inserted footage.
Title: Re: Any chance of getting one for the unrated release?
Post by: Locuststakethesky on July 06, 2013, 02:58:25 PM
As I mentioned in another post, I finally was able to reauthor this with the UNRATED version, but it took a lot of trial and error.  Also, there were I believe 2 or 3 riffs I had to delete because there were lines from the movie that were actually missing in the unrated release!  I had to delete the riffs that related to those lines.  I was using a Blu-Ray rip of the UNRATED release.  If anyone is looking to upgrade to hi-def and doesn't mind losing a couple riffs, let me know.
Title: Re: Any chance of getting one for the unrated release?
Post by: BathTub on August 30, 2014, 05:59:46 PM
Good news. Since I own the unrated version , I decided to not bother renting the rated version and just watched the Rifftrax using that. I didn't notice any more drift in the trax than usual. And having just done the Audacity/Rifftrax combine thing, the synch lines line up throughout the film. I had to add half a second in at one point as towards the middle, the movie audio gets a beat ahead of the Rifftrax, but that was it.  You shouldn't have any problems watching the Rifftrax with the unrated version.

Mine jumped out of synch, not even 3 minutes into the movie by at least a half a second.  I didn't bother trying to resynch the rest.  Maybe if you reauthor and can check the synch lines it'll be ok but I don't recommend trying it live.

Hmm mine did this too. The disc isn't labelled with any specific version info, it just says 'Saw'.
Title: Re: Any chance of getting one for the unrated release?
Post by: MrTorso on August 30, 2014, 06:14:56 PM
Good news. Since I own the unrated version , I decided to not bother renting the rated version and just watched the Rifftrax using that. I didn't notice any more drift in the trax than usual. And having just done the Audacity/Rifftrax combine thing, the synch lines line up throughout the film. I had to add half a second in at one point as towards the middle, the movie audio gets a beat ahead of the Rifftrax, but that was it.  You shouldn't have any problems watching the Rifftrax with the unrated version.

Mine jumped out of synch, not even 3 minutes into the movie by at least a half a second.  I didn't bother trying to resynch the rest.  Maybe if you reauthor and can check the synch lines it'll be ok but I don't recommend trying it live.

The Blu-ray is the different cut even though it is labeled as the "R" or theatrical. BUT the one on Itunes works. That is what I used for my HD reauthor.

Hmm mine did this too. The disc isn't labelled with any specific version info, it just says 'Saw'.