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Title: (clap) Really good
Post by: Imper1um on May 09, 2008, 09:18:03 AM
Seriously, guys. Great job at this. I mean, this thing was already really bad acting, and was utterly and completely cheese overload. I actually had to stop watching it 10 minutes in because I was laughing so hard.

I'm actually so glad that Mike wasn't there. I'm sure that if Mike was there, I would be dead with laughter. :p
Title: Re: (clap) Really good
Post by: CM916 on May 09, 2008, 11:59:10 AM
I want the hurting to stop. I'd rather watch Manos again... Maybe I will.

Great job though.  :clap:
Title: Re: (clap) Really good
Post by: Insert Coin(s) to Continue on May 09, 2008, 01:14:35 PM
I don't care for the new Miss Embaudio, but the riffing was pretty darn good.
Title: Re: (clap) Really good
Post by: RoninFox on May 09, 2008, 01:45:02 PM
I don't care for the new Miss Embaudio, but the riffing was pretty darn good.

Yeah, forgot about that since I was watching the sync-line-less video, but wasn't fond of that either.
Title: Re: (clap) Really good
Post by: Tyrant on May 09, 2008, 02:34:44 PM
Absolutely fantastic riffing on this one. Although Mike will always be the king riffer in my book, Kevin and Bill can definitely hold their own without him and I can't wait to hear what they pull out next. This fan-made Star Trek thing is....really, really disturbing. On a very profound level. Not even Star Wars fanatics have gone so far as to produce something like this to feed their obsession (cheapo Youtube flicks don't count). I found it to be rather insulting to the original cast, too. The actor portraying Kirk wasn't hamming it up enough, the dude playing Bones wasn't nearly grouchy enough to be believable, and they totally wrecked Mr.Spock. At least the special effects were decent. I'm glad it got torn apart. It shouldn't even exist.

The most exciting prospect of this riff is cruising the Star Trek forums in hopes that one of them has enough of a sense of humor to not ban anyone trying to spread the Rifftrax word so I can watch pissed off Trekkies complaining about it. I did much the same when the Transformers riff came out.
Title: Re: (clap) Really good
Post by: Compound on May 09, 2008, 06:05:39 PM
Not even Star Wars fanatics have gone so far as to produce something like this to feed their obsession (cheapo Youtube flicks don't count).

Oooh. Tyrant. I have to disagree. Speaking as someone who has been involved with both fandoms, the Star Wars folks are just as bad. Sure, there aren't people like The Commander in Star Wars land, unless you count the folks who are honestly trying to be practicing Jedi, but you do have the folks who tried to make a Star Wars musical or the people who were camping out for months  to see Episode I. And who then tried it again with Episode II.

But for the specific complaint, yeah, they're making Star Wars fan-films as well.  Heck, earlier this week, there was a Star Wars fan film festival in New York. But there are a number of high-production value Star Wars films as well. Troops, Pink Five, Broken Allegiance and many others  not to mention Star Wars related  but not directly about Star Wars stuff like Fanboys, George Lucas in Love or the big-screen Weinstein version of Fanboys. And the Star Wars folks have snagged a few of the cast members for these fan films as well. Granted, not people like Ford or Hamill, but some of the minor characters. Both camps have gone gonzo in their attempts to recreate the original. Hell, we've done it as well. I know of a half dozen home-produced MST3k episodes, not to mention the dozen or so fan-Rifftrax that have been done so far. It's a common fan thing.

Hmmm. I only wish there was someone on this board who had actually made fan films. Hmmmm......
Title: Re: (clap) Really good
Post by: Flopsy T. Hamster on May 09, 2008, 09:50:03 PM
Oooh. Tyrant. I have to disagree. Speaking as someone who has been involved with both fandoms, the Star Wars folks are just as bad.

Probably the most elaborate of the Star Wars fan films is "Star Wars:Revelations". Fairly high production values, but also fairly poor acting.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/02/Revelation-second-poster.jpg/400px-Revelation-second-poster.jpg)

These guys even went so far as to produce a two disc DVD set of their production available for download, with a complete "Making Of" documentary. You gotta respect the passion many of these fans show for their work, even if their writing and acting abilities sometimes let them down.
Title: Re: (clap) Really good
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on May 09, 2008, 09:52:12 PM
Pretty darn funny stuff, both the riffs and the video.  It is great to hear Kevin and Bill doing riffs on their own.

When I was a little kid my neighbor build the bridge of the enterprise in his basement out of cardboard, to see that taken to it's ultimate extreme is funny as hell.  OK, I'll admit I wasted more than one afternoon playing Trek....

Still don't understand why all the actors are so young, way younger than the original cast was back in the 60's.
Title: Re: (clap) Really good
Post by: ShadowDog on May 09, 2008, 09:53:16 PM
Fairly high production values, but also fairly poor acting.

Considering the horror we just saw with World Enough and Time, I'd say those two films had a lot in common.
Title: Re: (clap) Really good
Post by: ShadowDog on May 09, 2008, 10:14:15 PM
I don't care for the new Miss Embaudio, but the riffing was pretty darn good.

Yeah, forgot about that since I was watching the sync-line-less video, but wasn't fond of that either.

Oh, by the way, is anyone else convinced that she was Mary Jo?  Damn it sounded like her, with her voice pitch shifted up of course.
Title: Re: (clap) Really good
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on May 09, 2008, 10:22:07 PM
I don't care for the new Miss Embaudio, but the riffing was pretty darn good.

Yeah, forgot about that since I was watching the sync-line-less video, but wasn't fond of that either.

Oh, by the way, is anyone else convinced that she was Mary Jo?  Damn it sounded like her, with her voice pitch shifted up of course.

Not convinced, but yes, I thought of Mary Jo when I heard her speak.
Title: Re: (clap) Really good
Post by: RoninFox on May 09, 2008, 10:35:20 PM
When it comes to ST vs. SW fan films, I think people tend to give the Star Wars stuff more of a pass because the fan films that really get noticed are usually parodies like Troops...which was hilarious.  When they're serious, they're just as bad as this Trek stuff.
Title: Re: (clap) Really good
Post by: Tyrant on May 09, 2008, 10:52:22 PM
Not even Star Wars fanatics have gone so far as to produce something like this to feed their obsession (cheapo Youtube flicks don't count).

Oooh. Tyrant. I have to disagree. Speaking as someone who has been involved with both fandoms, the Star Wars folks are just as bad. Sure, there aren't people like The Commander in Star Wars land, unless you count the folks who are honestly trying to be practicing Jedi, but you do have the folks who tried to make a Star Wars musical or the people who were camping out for months  to see Episode I. And who then tried it again with Episode II.

  I stand corrected. I guess that's what I get for desperately wanting to believe that at least one of the two camps have better things to do with their time.  :P

  I admit I'm a total hypocrite though. If I had the time and money, I'd totally make a kick ass TF animation project.
Title: Re: (clap) Really good
Post by: Compound on May 09, 2008, 11:40:18 PM

Still don't understand why all the actors are so young, way younger than the original cast was back in the 60's.

I don't understand why they didn't use a more neutral shade of lipstick for makeup.
Title: Re: (clap) Really good
Post by: Sheik Yerbouti on May 10, 2008, 12:55:21 AM
I don't care for the new Miss Embaudio, but the riffing was pretty darn good.

Yeah, forgot about that since I was watching the sync-line-less video, but wasn't fond of that either.

Oh, by the way, is anyone else convinced that she was Mary Jo?  Damn it sounded like her, with her voice pitch shifted up of course.

Not convinced, but yes, I thought of Mary Jo when I heard her speak.

Sounded like Mary Jo to me too.  Maybe this is forshadowing of another appearance? 

Loved this riff by the way, hope the video doesn't get pulled for any kind of copyright reasons.  I can just imagine the crew presenting George Takei with that Tina Turner wig he wore.  "You're paying me in cash, right?"
Title: Re: (clap) Really good
Post by: ShadowDog on May 10, 2008, 12:58:26 AM
Is there any proof that the guest stars get paid?  Since they can't charge for this how the hell do they get the money?  Would it be sadder or less said if George got paid?

Personally, I'd feel better for him if he did it for free since there could be no doubt that he's throwing fans a bone.  If he got paid we can only deduce he is THIS hard up for money.
Title: Re: (clap) Really good
Post by: Sheik Yerbouti on May 10, 2008, 01:38:08 AM
Is there any proof that the guest stars get paid?  Since they can't charge for this how the hell do they get the money?  Would it be sadder or less said if George got paid?

Personally, I'd feel better for him if he did it for free since there could be no doubt that he's throwing fans a bone.  If he got paid we can only deduce he is THIS hard up for money.

Looks like they've had quite a few of the old Trek actors appear in these.  I'd find it hard to believe that they all worked for free.  These are the same people who have been milking the sci fi convention circut for decades.  They don't do that out of love.
Title: Re: (clap) Really good
Post by: SabreMau on May 10, 2008, 05:19:18 AM
Riffing aside (which was good), I found the episode itself rather interesting as well. Despite the acting quality (or perhaps even because of it), at least I found it more entertaining than pretty much any episode of Voyager or Enterprise I'd seen.
Title: Re: (clap) Really good
Post by: ShadowDog on May 10, 2008, 08:05:54 AM
Yeah, as I said before, the writing wasn't bad at all.  It was a little cliche in that by the end of the episode both main guest stars have been neatly destroyed so everything is pretty much reset to zero (yeah, yeah, Sulu remembers, but Old Sulu and his daughter are both gone so everything's the same).  And they're already copying themselves in that I saw Walter Konieg's appearance ALSO involves his old character suddenly aging for some reason so they have an excuse for him to act with the regulars (same plot device used twice in just 6 episodes, hmmmm) and there was some really cheesy dialogue in spots as riffed by the boys.  But having said all that, it was pretty good.
Title: Re: (clap) Really good
Post by: mrbasehart on May 10, 2008, 08:07:42 AM
Hilarious.  "Oh my God, they've moved up and to the right a little!" I thought the riff was fairly gentle, considering how rabid they've been with the original cast and movies.  As for the episode itself, the special effects were pretty great, and Takei and his daughter weren't bad (however creepy their relationship was) but the Star Trek cast were either barely passable or downright awful.  And what's with Kirk hitting on Sulu's daughter? Icky. 

I'd love it if they'd did a few more of these...

EDIT: And they are.  Hurrah!
Title: Re: (clap) Really good
Post by: Rattrap007 on May 10, 2008, 11:42:26 AM
Oh, by the way, is anyone else convinced that she was Mary Jo?  Damn it sounded like her, with her voice pitch shifted up of course.
That was my exact thought. Which leads me to believe Mike Is Disembaudio since both were absent from this riff..
Title: Re: (clap) Really good
Post by: ShadowDog on May 10, 2008, 01:35:27 PM
Well, yeah, of course Mike is Disembaudio. :P
Title: Re: (clap) Really good
Post by: gammer on May 12, 2008, 07:44:45 AM
Hey folks...

My review (http://www.rifftraxfan.com/rifftraxpresents.html#RP01) and free preview (http://www.rifftraxfan.com/rifferbreakdown.html) for World Enough and Time is now up!

 :)
Title: Re: (clap) Really good
Post by: Compound on May 12, 2008, 08:01:50 AM
Oh, by the way, is anyone else convinced that she was Mary Jo?  Damn it sounded like her, with her voice pitch shifted up of course.
That was my exact thought. Which leads me to believe Mike Is Disembaudio since both were absent from this riff..

Guys? Torgo's said that Bill and Kevin didn't record this in San Diego and since I'm pretty sure that Dis lives in SD, which explains his unavailability. (And if I had to guess, I'd guess that "Susan" is probably Kevin or Bill's wife.)
Title: Re: (clap) Really good
Post by: Queen Shadowrama on May 12, 2008, 10:28:45 AM
Well, I'm 17 minutes into this movie right now, and Bill and Kevin are doing a fantastic job. But seriously, this film does hurt. I would consider myself a very casual Star Trek fan, and while I can admire the production value, the actors are so horrible I have to stop the movie, take a breath, and start again.

I mean good God, part of the appeal of the original Star Trek was the campiness, yet everyone is so serious! Kirk is soooo dull, Bones is not even the least bit crotchety, and what the heck is up with Scotty? Scotty was constantly overreacting on the original show, and his accent was so funny it was endearing. So why did they get a guy that didn't react to anything, and tried so hard to have a real Scottish accent? Ugh. And don't even get me started on Spock. I know he's supposed to be an alien and whatnot, but why does look like he had gotten the world's most awful plastic surgery? His cheekbones are practically in his eyes!  :P Leonard Nimoy was actually not a bad looking guy back in the day...this fan Spock is hard to look at, lol!

But anyway, back to the riffing. I just needed to come out here and vent for a minute before I get started again. This really is worse than Manos!

Favorite riff so far: "My hair is listening."
Title: Re: (clap) Really good
Post by: Imper1um on May 12, 2008, 10:31:35 AM
They crammed a lot into the whole thing...I mean, the cheese was just on overload with the entire thing. It makes Cheeze Wiz look All-Natural compared to this.

If they wanted to be taken seriously, they should have just made up a new storyline so they wouldn't get slapped with the 'you didn't match up the characterization right' clause.

I mean...Scotty, the guy couldn't mimic a Scotty accent at all...The biggest thing about Scotty was his darn unique accent.
Title: Re: (clap) Really good
Post by: Flopsy T. Hamster on May 12, 2008, 12:03:28 PM
I think if you actually want to appreciate these fan productions, you really have to watch them in production order. The first one was so, so, bad, that once you get to the second one, you really begin to see some progress with the acting, and especially with the writing and direction. That's not to say that anyone would ever mistake any in the series as a professional production. But by the time the second one rolled around, those of us who had seen the first knew what to expect. So any improvement was appreciated. It was easier to look past the bad acting, and enjoy what the guys were doing.

The second one in the series, "In Harm's Way", was probably the best so far. It was much more epic in scope, and had several call-backs to the original series, including "The City On The Edge Of Forever", "The Doomsday Machine", "The Menagerie", and the movie series. It's no wonder they've kinda disowned the first episode, "Come What May", and now call it "The Pilot", making "In Harm's Way" episode #1. IHW also has has a fairly good guest start - Kurt Carley as Captain Pike. He's actually appeared in bit parts in a few movies you'll actually have heard of. And he played Lex Luthor in the VERY well produced "World's Finest" fan trailer.

I hope the Riffers actually get around to doing IHW after they tackle "To Serve All My Days". As much as I like the episode, it's still very riff-worthy.
Title: Re: (clap) Really good
Post by: ShadowDog on May 12, 2008, 12:40:44 PM
That's interesting.  I just don't know if I could take anything worse than what we just saw.  LMFAO
Title: Re: (clap) Really good
Post by: gammer on May 12, 2008, 12:48:46 PM
well,  like I said in my review...I was impressed by how well this 'fan-made' episode was done...I mean really...they did a good job with the sets. But on the other hand, it was pretty bad. Acting by far the low point. Like Kevin sang at the start: "What...is...the...point?  ;)
Title: Re: (clap) Really good
Post by: Flopsy T. Hamster on May 12, 2008, 12:54:37 PM
That's interesting.  I just don't know if I could take anything worse than what we just saw.  LMFAO

Heh. Yeah. But at least the next time you're not gonna be shocked by it. And there's gonna be much, much less Scotty, which can only be good news to everyone but the Riffers.  ;)
Title: Re: (clap) Really good
Post by: Bob on May 12, 2008, 12:55:18 PM
I know it had issues, but the love of what they were doing came through to me.   Still very riff worthy of course!
Title: Re: (clap) Really good
Post by: Queen Shadowrama on May 12, 2008, 05:35:53 PM
Well, after finishing it, I gotta say, I look forward to Bill and Kevin doing more stuff like this. Rifftrax Presents has my approval!  ;D

And much to my surprise, I was actually, y'know...moved at the end of it. Sulu's daughter actually learned how to act at the very last minute when they were saying their goodbyes. That impressed me a bit. But she also was at an advantage because she was playing and original character, and wasn't bogged down with the requirement to have a familiar personality like the other actors were.

I think the episode could be exponentially better if the cast stops treating Star Trek with such reverence and loosen up a bit. Spock is not a stiff, emotionless being. He has personality, a sense of humor, and feelings, yet I felt the actor got too into the "I am Spock, Lord of Star Trek" mode and forgot what it really means to be that character. But I guess that would be the job of a real actor to do.  :P

So yeah, I would urge them to have a bit more fun with it.
Title: Re: (clap) Really good
Post by: eegah on November 05, 2010, 08:34:07 PM
As much as this pains me to say, the guy playing Chekov really captured his voice and facial mannerisms. But I dare you to look at him while he's not saying a line. Holy cow is he bad when he's in the background.