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Title: Now available!
Post by: torgosPizza on May 08, 2008, 05:03:21 PM
Rifftrax is boldly going where no Rifftrax has gone before, and it’s not just a hokey cliché, we really mean it! Rifftrax Presents veteran riffers Bill Corbett and Kevin Murphy, beaning on (or is it “beaming?” I can never remember) the most ambitious exercise in fan fiction since that really good Civil War reenactment! These are sumptuously produced “new episodes” of the original Star Trek series, authentically detailed and produced by Trek fans, yet with the beefy swagger of a roomful of Shatners.

Rifftrax Presents: Star Trek: Phase II: World Enough and Time! A title that has more colons than a gastroenterologist’s waiting room, and also contains more delicious hamming than Smithfield, Virginia at Easter. Original Series veteran George Takei reprises his role as Sulu, but as an older Sulu, due to a spontaneous fluctuation in the space-time…Okay, it doesn’t really matter, does it? It has Sulu, pretty women, pretty men, time-warping, and enough wigs to fill Phyllis Diller’s closet.

http://freevideocoding.com/flvplayer.swf?file=http://download.rifftrax.com/files/videos/WorldEnough-sample.flv&autoStart=false

Get it here: http://www.rifftrax.com/rifftrax-presents/world-enough-and-time
Title: Re: Now available!
Post by: a pretty girl is like on May 08, 2008, 05:09:41 PM
Sold!

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Post by: Rattrap007 on May 08, 2008, 06:46:20 PM
Sulu with long hair? Oh my!
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Post by: RVR II on May 08, 2008, 06:54:25 PM
*Ed McMahon voice* 'HI-OOOHH!!' :o
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Post by: RoninFox on May 08, 2008, 07:05:38 PM
words fail me...

except to say I'm downloading as I type this
Title: Re: Now available!
Post by: ShadowDog on May 08, 2008, 08:44:45 PM
I gots ta has it!  Downloading it now and already looking forward to next weeks'!

I guess this explains why we had two rifftraxs in back to back weeks followed by two weeks of stoney silence.  I knew something big was coming!

And all my best to whoever this Elliot dude is but I don't dig solo riffs so I'm taking a pass on his.  So I'm glad you're offering the solo crap to people who like that sort of thing while at the same time giving the rest of us this nifty duo!  And that's not a slam at Mike, I'd love Mike to be a part of this, but we could do a lot worse than Kevin and Bill.  :P
Title: Re: Now available!
Post by: ShadowDog on May 08, 2008, 10:18:30 PM
Just finished watching it!  Best rifftrax in a while!  I was dying laughing!  Awesome, awesome, awesome!

In other news, though I'd heard a lot about this, this was my first experience actually watching an episode of New Voyages. I have to say I was impressed as hell by the sets, costumes, and props.  The CGI was pretty good, especially since they can't have much money devoted to it.  The writing was above average except for some super cheesy lines.  Unfortunately, the acting was universally horrible and the casting even worse than that.  I know these dudes are working for free but what ass awful casting!  Overall, no way in hell I'd ever sit through one of these without a rifftrax, but this probably pleases those nerds who've watched the original series five million times and hate everything that came after.  I was expecting it to be worse, to be honest.
Title: Re: Now available!
Post by: Road_Element on May 08, 2008, 10:42:35 PM
Man this was bad. This is ten times worst then almost any star trek episodes i can think of. But the riffing was great. By the way didnt the guy  who play spock look a little furity. I mean you never saw leonard nimoy where any lipstick.
Title: Re: Now available!
Post by: Matt B on May 08, 2008, 10:50:51 PM
Well, let me make an admission here: At some point, my brain started tuning out the riffing and instead  concentrating on the plot. Sorry Kev and Bill.  But   the riffs that permeated my thick skull were pretty funny.


Now if you'll excuse me, I need to start building a replica of the STNG bridge in my living room. My dream of a filmed riffing of "Time Speeder" will come to fruition. Oh yes. It will. Heh, heh, heh...
Title: Re: Now available!
Post by: Sheik Yerbouti on May 09, 2008, 12:26:30 AM
Oh my.  I cannot wait to watch all of this.  George Takei and the lady who played Yeoman Rand cashing a paycheck.  Please tell me this is not the future for MST3K alumni!  Can't you just see it?  Eldery Kevin Murphy hobbling onto someone's home made SOL set, clutching a battered Tom Servo puppet.  Some sweating fanboy handing him his script for the 'Red Dawn' riff and Kevin mumbling, "Yeah, yeah just get on with it.  I was riffin' movies before you were a twinkle in the milkman's eye!"
Title: Re: Now available!
Post by: Winboloer on May 09, 2008, 12:42:06 AM
This one was awesome.  :clap:

Had me laughing continuously.
Title: Re: Now available!
Post by: Sheik Yerbouti on May 09, 2008, 12:45:46 AM
Just finished watching it!  Best rifftrax in a while!  I was dying laughing!  Awesome, awesome, awesome!

In other news, though I'd heard a lot about this, this was my first experience actually watching an episode of New Voyages. I have to say I was impressed as hell by the sets, costumes, and props.  The CGI was pretty good, especially since they can't have much money devoted to it.  The writing was above average except for some super cheesy lines.  Unfortunately, the acting was universally horrible and the casting even worse than that.  I know these dudes are working for free but what ass awful casting!  Overall, no way in hell I'd ever sit through one of these without a rifftrax, but this probably pleases those nerds who've watched the original series five million times and hate everything that came after.  I was expecting it to be worse, to be honest.

Yeah I feel a little bit bad laughing at this (but that isn't going to stop me).  I mean, quite clearly a great deal of time, money, and overly obsessive nerdy Star Trek love went into making this production.  I'll never understand why some people feel compelled to make fan productions, or fan fiction for that matter but fan productions like this are a whole other level of obsession.  It's always going to be seen as inferior by the majority of fans because its not the original.  Plus the characters aren't yours.  You can't profit from this or even recoup most of your expenses without Paramount suing your ass out of existence.  If you're going to devote this kind of time and money to a project, why not come up with an original idea?  If this didn't feature mock Spock and faux Kirk we'd all probably cut it some more slack.
Title: Re: Now available!
Post by: countv on May 09, 2008, 04:43:37 AM
You know, as a real scottish person I was always a little uncomfortable with Doohan's Scotty but he got enough right that it was passible if OTT. Fan-Film Scotty is really, really painful. REALLY. And it only gets worse when Bill and Kevin have a go at it too. And by worse I of course mean better.

Having watched numerous Star Wars fan films of various quality I've got to say I'm impressed with this Star Trek effort in terms of what they did technically. Impressed, terrified and hugely distrubed. Trekkies really are in a league of their own in fandom.

Title: Re: Now available!
Post by: ShadowDog on May 09, 2008, 08:25:43 AM
I'll never understand why some people feel compelled to make fan productions, or fan fiction for that matter

I've written fan fiction and for me there were two reasons:

1) Built in audience.  When you post your fan fiction at a message board devoted to that topic, you're assured of getting a dozen people to actually READ your work, which leads to feedback.  Writers crave readers (which are hard to get if you're unpublished) and we crave feedback even more.  The problem?  We can usually only get our family or friends to read our crap and their feedback is useless cuz they love us.  People we don't know on a message board are likely to be more honest.

2) Rage.  I wrote fan fic for Sliders because the producers fucked over that series so badly.  (it was mostly comedy stuff which savaged everything the producers starting doing wrong)  Writing this stuff was a way for me to exorcise my rage in a safe, amusing, healthy way.
Title: Re: Now available!
Post by: callmeMRTIBBS on May 09, 2008, 09:42:23 AM
Great Riff.  Kevin and Bill were awesome as usual.  Its a little different not having mike in there- but I really enjoyed it.  And look forward to other "presents..."

I agree with a previous poster...I honestly will probably not waste my time with the Dark Water...just because the solo riffs usually leave me pretty cold.  I love Mike- don't get me wrong.  But the formula just isn't the same when there is no one to play off of.  Or even just another voice to mix it up.

As for the the episode itself.  Yes most of the acting was abysmal...and Spock was so incredibly femmye it was hilarious.  However, I was impressed at the production value for this low budget production.  And the obvious passion the filmmakers have for the subject.  This can't be a cheap hobby.

And hell- the effects and production value were better than most movies shown in 10 years of mst3k.

Look forward to the future riffs.
Title: Re: Now available!
Post by: MontyServo on May 09, 2008, 10:10:35 AM
Everybody should try to download this while they still can. 

From the FAQ at the website for the Star Trek Phase II web series:

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Q. What stations are airing your show?
A. Due to copyrights, there are no stations broadcasting our episodes. Star Trek: Phase II is a web-series. The episodes are available for FREE via the Internet. IF YOU FIND OUR EPISODES FOR SALE or RENT ANYWHERE, WHAT YOU HAVE FOUND IS AN ILLEGAL COPY. We cannot and do not make any money from the episodes. We ask you to inform us if you find anyone selling our work. Please CONTACT Public Relations to report what you've found.

I wonder how long the video version of this Rifftrax will be available?  Which would be too bad, because it looks like the only way to download a copy of the unriffed episode from the official site is via torrent links.  No direct downloads from the website (of that episode at least).

Not trying to be a party pooper here, I just want everyone to be aware that they should download this ASAP, if not sooner.

Or maybe Rifftrax got some sort of double super secret permission to release this for sale?   ???   ???   ???
Title: Re: Now available!
Post by: callmeMRTIBBS on May 09, 2008, 10:29:59 AM
I think the fact that they make it clear you are buying the riff- not the video.  They very well may have gotten permission.  But since they make the link readily available to download the unriffed version...I would say there is no danger here.
Title: Re: Now available!
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on May 09, 2008, 10:42:31 AM
...still waiting for my "presents" to download...kept timing out on me...
Title: Re: Now available!
Post by: MontyServo on May 09, 2008, 10:45:02 AM
I don't think they are gonna sue anybody.

In fact, if they checked out Rifftrax, they would see that they are in good company over here as far as riff targets are concerned.  They should be honored that they were chosen.

At worst, they may ask for the mixed version to be removed and have only the MP3 version for sale, with the unriffed video made available as a free download for those that need it.

But these are Trek geeks, so who knows how they would react.
Title: Re: Now available!
Post by: Tony Farms AKA Puma Man on May 09, 2008, 11:43:44 AM
Is that Jonny Greenwood playing Spock?  ???
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Post by: CM916 on May 09, 2008, 12:01:09 PM
I think their Chekov is slightly better at being Russian than the original. Slightly.
Title: Re: Now available!
Post by: CHF01 on May 09, 2008, 12:28:03 PM
I think the fact that they make it clear you are buying the riff- not the video.  They very well may have gotten permission.  But since they make the link readily available to download the unriffed version...I would say there is no danger here.

"We cannot and do not make any money from the episodes. We ask you to inform us if you find anyone selling our work." Actually, you would be buying both the riff AND the movie when you place your order.
Title: Re: Now available!
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on May 09, 2008, 12:30:34 PM
Report Rifftrax to them then.
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Post by: CM916 on May 09, 2008, 12:33:25 PM
Rifftrax kind of mentions in its own disclaimer that there is no additional charge.
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Post by: RoninFox on May 09, 2008, 12:34:16 PM
I think the fact that they make it clear you are buying the riff- not the video.  They very well may have gotten permission.  But since they make the link readily available to download the unriffed version...I would say there is no danger here.

"We cannot and do not make any money from the episodes. We ask you to inform us if you find anyone selling our work." Actually, you would be buying both the riff AND the movie when you place your order.

I don't see it as buying the movie as much as buying the convenience of syncing.  If something is free, and made available for free via a link on the same page I'm adding the riff to my shopping cart, then I think it's clear that all I'm paying for is the Rifftrax product, not the movie.
Title: Re: Now available!
Post by: callmeMRTIBBS on May 09, 2008, 12:47:40 PM
You are paying the same amount as you would for other riffs.  They provide the link to the original work and tell you, that you can get it there. 

I think its very clear that they aren't selling the video.  If they were charging more than normal- then okay...you would have a case.
Title: Re: Now available!
Post by: ShadowDog on May 09, 2008, 02:54:16 PM
Yeah, it's obvious we're just buying the riff, not the movie.  They have no case.

Doesn't mean they won't sue and drag this into court for a year though.  Download it quick!!!
Title: Re: Now available!
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on May 09, 2008, 02:56:17 PM
If anybody would get mad it would be Paramount since they are allowing these fan episodes even though they impose on their copyright to Star Trek.
Title: Re: Now available!
Post by: amityisland on May 09, 2008, 03:13:18 PM
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Now if you'll excuse me, I need to start building a replica of the STNG bridge in my living room. My dream of a filmed riffing of "Time Speeder" will come to fruition. Oh yes. It will. Heh, heh, heh...

LOL! Oh Stephen Ratliff...I wonder where he is now?
Title: Re: Now available!
Post by: ShadowDog on May 09, 2008, 03:50:33 PM
Dammit, sounds like I missed something cool.
Title: Re: Now available!
Post by: ShadowDog on May 09, 2008, 04:17:28 PM
Here's their official word on the subject:

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WEaT, TSAMD or other NVP2 videos found online
on: Today at 04:26:36 PM

All,

Recently there have been nearly a half dozen posts about or related to sites that are offering our episodes - one of which was a parody site. While we have no problem with person(s) doing parodies of our work, they have not been given authorization to use or include our video with their efforts.

In the event any of you run into similar sites, please send a moderator a PM about the issue. Please do not post the info in the forum itself.

Your understanding in this matter is greatly appreciated,
The Star Trek Phase 2 Production Team
Title: Re: Now available!
Post by: CHF01 on May 09, 2008, 05:04:39 PM
Here's their official word on the subject:

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WEaT, TSAMD or other NVP2 videos found online
on: Today at 04:26:36 PM

All,

Recently there have been nearly a half dozen posts about or related to sites that are offering our episodes - one of which was a parody site. While we have no problem with person(s) doing parodies of our work, they have not been given authorization to use or include our video with their efforts.

In the event any of you run into similar sites, please send a moderator a PM about the issue. Please do not post the info in the forum itself.

Your understanding in this matter is greatly appreciated,
The Star Trek Phase 2 Production Team


W :o W!
Title: Re: Now available!
Post by: Matt B on May 09, 2008, 05:31:49 PM
LOL! Oh Stephen Ratliff...I wonder where he is now?

He's still out there, writing from time to time.  Still getting riffed too.
Title: Re: Now available!
Post by: CM916 on May 09, 2008, 10:29:26 PM
I almost want to join their forum just so I can add "convicted pirate" to my resume.
Title: Re: Now available!
Post by: Sheik Yerbouti on May 09, 2008, 10:43:22 PM
I'll never understand why some people feel compelled to make fan productions, or fan fiction for that matter

I've written fan fiction and for me there were two reasons:

1) Built in audience.  When you post your fan fiction at a message board devoted to that topic, you're assured of getting a dozen people to actually READ your work, which leads to feedback.  Writers crave readers (which are hard to get if you're unpublished) and we crave feedback even more.  The problem?  We can usually only get our family or friends to read our crap and their feedback is useless cuz they love us.  People we don't know on a message board are likely to be more honest.

2) Rage.  I wrote fan fic for Sliders because the producers fucked over that series so badly.  (it was mostly comedy stuff which savaged everything the producers starting doing wrong)  Writing this stuff was a way for me to exorcise my rage in a safe, amusing, healthy way.

Both good reasons.  I certainly understand the difficulty of getting people to read your writing, since I write myself.  There are plenty of good writing websites out there, I belong to Writing.com and it's pretty good.  The problem with sites like those is that everyone on there is a writer so they'd much rather have you read their stuff than read yours.  So you're kind of back to square one.  Isn't it that that the same problem with fan fiction, though?  Aren't all fan fiction readers fan fiction writers as well?  Personally, I recommend trying to write something original and then try to get it published.  I've been published in a couple on a couple of fiction websites.  Not exactly The New Yorker, but when someone likes your writing enough to pay you real world money for it, it's a real feeling of accomplishment.
Title: Re: Now available!
Post by: SabreMau on May 10, 2008, 05:09:01 AM
Here's their official word on the subject:
I suppose it might depend on how it was presented to them. "It's a Rifftrax of your episode," or "There's some site charging money to download your episode!"

Likely worst-case scenario, Rifftrax has to switch to mp3-only version, and they demand that the link to the original episode on the original site be presented so that they get people to come to the source and (perhaps) look around at their other stuff while they're over there.
Title: Re: Now available!
Post by: kel4876 on May 12, 2008, 06:01:32 PM
Well, let me make an admission here: At some point, my brain started tuning out the riffing and instead  concentrating on the plot. Sorry Kev and Bill.  But   the riffs that permeated my thick skull were pretty funny.


Now if you'll excuse me, I need to start building a replica of the STNG bridge in my living room. My dream of a filmed riffing of "Time Speeder" will come to fruition. Oh yes. It will. Heh, heh, heh...

That was the one where Wesley Crusher got together with Chelsea Clinton right?

I have fond memories of reading Ratliff mstings.  Who could forget "Ensign Throwaway"?  Good times.
Title: Re: Now available!
Post by: BBQ Platypus on May 18, 2008, 03:21:37 PM
Wow...and I thought Voyager was bad.
Title: Re: Now available!
Post by: CM916 on May 26, 2008, 09:47:50 PM
I've always wondered how many actors ever made up a system for themselves as suggested in "Galaxy Quest" as opposed to those who just pushed random buttons on their shiny control systems. Very few fans will ever notice but I have always wondered and never really observed which they use.

Based on Klingon Academy, the last Star Trek sim I ever bought, I have to assume that I can fly any ship with my computer joystick handling firing, speed, and steering wether its a glorified shuttle or a battleship.