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Title: Battlestar Galactica: The Final Cylon
Post by: BEERxTaco on May 08, 2008, 01:58:01 PM
I'm torn between Baltar and the President...
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica: The Final Cylon
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on May 08, 2008, 01:59:21 PM
I've heard it will be none of the principle actors...

I believe that's from Moore himself.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica: The Final Cylon
Post by: SmilinJackRoss on May 08, 2008, 02:12:16 PM
I've heard it will be none of the principle actors...

I believe that's from Moore himself.

I'm thinking this is correct.

One theory put forth on another message board is that all the people on Earth are the final cylon.  Seems like a bit of a stretch, but I think this type of thing is more along the lines of what will happen, rather than any of the main characters being the final cylon.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica: The Final Cylon
Post by: ShadowDog on May 08, 2008, 08:56:08 PM
I think it's going to end up being Cally.  But my crushing love for her might have something to do with that. :P
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica: The Final Cylon
Post by: kr00t0n on May 09, 2008, 07:12:37 AM
I think it's going to end up being Cally.  But my crushing love for her might have something to do with that. :P

That would make Nicky totally Cylon though, which I doubt would happen...
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica: The Final Cylon
Post by: Chaos on May 09, 2008, 07:26:03 AM
I saw this somewhere a year or so ago and thought it was amusing:
(http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x197/ChaosFromOrder/baltar.jpg)
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica: The Final Cylon
Post by: DarthChimay on May 12, 2008, 02:02:49 AM
From what I read, the final Cylon is a character who is not in that Last Supper promo pic they did at the top of this season (http://pics.livejournal.com/disjecta/pic/00053wdw (http://pics.livejournal.com/disjecta/pic/00053wdw), which is a rather large image of it).

I'm sticking with my original guess... Tom Zarek. Making Richard Hatch a Cylon would make me so frakkin' happy. And it would lead to the unveiling of the final missing 13th Cylon (which I'm totally making up at this point, but it makes sense) -

(http://members.aol.com/murdoc1643/graphics/78starbuck.jpg)

In my version of BSG, he's the Cylon god (and actually, he was supposed to be; Ron Moore said that he wanted to hire Dirk at the end of season 1 to play god) and he comes out, chomping a huge cigar and grinning. And then he slaps some sense (and maturity) into Kara Thrace.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica: The Final Cylon
Post by: ShadowDog on May 12, 2008, 12:53:13 PM
There's a net theory floating around the Earth is the resurrection hub for the Final Five.  Which explains why Kara ended up at Earth after she died.  What do you guys think?
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica: The Final Cylon
Post by: SmilinJackRoss on May 12, 2008, 01:18:17 PM
There's a net theory floating around the Earth is the resurrection hub for the Final Five.  Which explains why Kara ended up at Earth after she died.  What do you guys think?

Doubtful.  they make a pretty big deal out of the fact that Cylons have to be fairly close to a resurrection ship in order for them to download back to it.  That theory would imply that they were close to Earth where Kara "died", and I don't think they were.

I guess anything is possible, but eventually, they better do a good job explaining the whole "Kara back from the dead with a brand new ship and no memory of being gone" thing.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica: The Final Cylon
Post by: RoninFox on May 12, 2008, 06:31:32 PM
My theory, the final Cylon is Boxey.  He more or less disappeared after the miniseries, only popping up in a couple other episodes with no explanation as to where he went.  I think he's hiding in the Galactica very subtly manipulating everyone toward his goals, he's probably the one that was following the four newly awakened Cylons hiding in the walls and playing his "From the Watchtower" tape.

I started typing this as a joke, and somehow it ended up making more sense to me at the end.   ;D
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica: The Final Cylon
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on May 12, 2008, 08:03:35 PM
My theory, the final Cylon is Boxey.  He more or less disappeared after the miniseries, only popping up in a couple other episodes with no explanation as to where he went.  I think he's hiding in the Galactica very subtly manipulating everyone toward his goals, he's probably the one that was following the four newly awakened Cylons hiding in the walls and playing his "From the Watchtower" tape.

You're close, the final cylon is:  MUFFY!

Anyway: Moore did give an explanation in one of the early podcasts, that the kid just didn't fit in with the edgier show they were trying to do, so they just stopped writing anything for him.

I'm also hoping it's Zarek.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica: The Final Cylon
Post by: Chaos on May 12, 2008, 09:56:22 PM
The final cylon is Herbie, the misfit elf.

Think about it... it all makes sense.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica: The Final Cylon
Post by: RoninFox on May 13, 2008, 06:07:32 AM
My theory, the final Cylon is Boxey.  He more or less disappeared after the miniseries, only popping up in a couple other episodes with no explanation as to where he went.  I think he's hiding in the Galactica very subtly manipulating everyone toward his goals, he's probably the one that was following the four newly awakened Cylons hiding in the walls and playing his "From the Watchtower" tape.

You're close, the final cylon is:  MUFFY!

Anyway: Moore did give an explanation in one of the early podcasts, that the kid just didn't fit in with the edgier show they were trying to do, so they just stopped writing anything for him.

I'm also hoping it's Zarek.


I remember that podcast too, they even joked about what horrible disease he might have died of off camera if I remember right.  Can't remember what they said it was though.   ;D
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica: The Final Cylon
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on May 13, 2008, 08:27:28 AM
I remember that podcast too, they even joked about what horrible disease he might have died of off camera if I remember right.  Can't remember what they said it was though.   ;D

I don't remember if they mentioned a specific disease, I do remember them joking about killing him off, but couldn't do it on camera or the network would object.  I know there are transcripts of all the podcast somewhere, I've seen people mention them while looking for info on when the latest podcast will be posted.

Funny how current technology points out flaws in the original show, created before computer hackers and viruses, there's no way they would make a robot pet daggot in the current show.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica: The Final Cylon
Post by: BEERxTaco on May 13, 2008, 10:19:43 AM
 :D

(http://www.triphammered.com/PhotosOffTopic/ClassicBSG_motv.jpg)
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica: The Final Cylon
Post by: DarthChimay on May 13, 2008, 10:35:39 AM
Are you saying Richard Hatch isn't cute? How dare you sir.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica: The Final Cylon
Post by: Flopsy T. Hamster on May 13, 2008, 01:05:13 PM
I think it's Doc Cottle. When Number 3 saw the image of the final Cylon, she said "I'm sorry". She could be apologizing for berating him on New Caprica when he was operating on some injured Cylons.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica: The Final Cylon
Post by: RoninFox on May 13, 2008, 02:25:35 PM
I remember that podcast too, they even joked about what horrible disease he might have died of off camera if I remember right.  Can't remember what they said it was though.   ;D

I don't remember if they mentioned a specific disease, I do remember them joking about killing him off, but couldn't do it on camera or the network would object.  I know there are transcripts of all the podcast somewhere, I've seen people mention them while looking for info on when the latest podcast will be posted.

Funny how current technology points out flaws in the original show, created before computer hackers and viruses, there's no way they would make a robot pet daggot in the current show.

Are you talking about the podcast commentaries?  That's what I'm referencing, and luckily they're on the dvds, so if I get around to it I can check through them.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica: The Final Cylon
Post by: DarthChimay on May 13, 2008, 03:51:16 PM
Yes. If I remember, it's towards the end of season 1, and it's one of the very few commentaries he does with David Eick.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica: The Final Cylon
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on May 13, 2008, 06:45:25 PM
Just searched through the transcripts for the online podcasts, and only found one reference to Boxey and that was for Hero in season 3.  Moore says the ship they send Bulldog to is the same one they sent Boxey to.

I think there are podcasts on the season 1 DVDs that were never online, must be one of them since I also remember them talking about "the kid" and that he didn't belong on the battlestar.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica: The Final Cylon
Post by: Jinto on May 13, 2008, 07:03:32 PM
There's a net theory floating around the Earth is the resurrection hub for the Final Five.  Which explains why Kara ended up at Earth after she died.  What do you guys think?

Doubtful.  they make a pretty big deal out of the fact that Cylons have to be fairly close to a resurrection ship in order for them to download back to it.  That theory would imply that they were close to Earth where Kara "died", and I don't think they were.

I guess anything is possible, but eventually, they better do a good job explaining the whole "Kara back from the dead with a brand new ship and no memory of being gone" thing.

the 12th cylon won't be kara, since they said the 'final' (12th) cylon, wasn't in the last supper style picture. but they didn't say she couldn't be the 13th cylon, with a superior resurrection range, and she IS hearing stuff like the final 4/5 cylons did (just nothing we're privy too yet apparently).
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica: The Final Cylon
Post by: DarthChimay on May 13, 2008, 10:14:13 PM
I'd have to dig around some, but I could swear that Ron Moore swore that Kara was not a Cylon. I think that if either she, Roslin, or Baltar turned out to be a Cylon, it would weaken the show. All of them are too obvious (though, it would add a level of realism to their supernatural visions, which I'm not a fan of on principle).
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica: The Final Cylon
Post by: beavobeave on May 13, 2008, 10:37:49 PM
They're going to bring Shatner on the show as the 5th Cylon
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica: The Final Cylon
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on May 14, 2008, 06:26:26 AM
I'd have to dig around some, but I could swear that Ron Moore swore that Kara was not a Cylon. I think that if either she, Roslin, or Baltar turned out to be a Cylon, it would weaken the show. All of them are too obvious (though, it would add a level of realism to their supernatural visions, which I'm not a fan of on principle).

The only characters I remember him talking about specifically were Adama and Roslyn, when they were deciding who were the final 5 they thought it would hurt the show if those 2 were cylons.   
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica: The Final Cylon
Post by: DarthChimay on May 14, 2008, 11:07:38 AM
I remember that as well.

Maybe Brother Cavill will be leading his half of the Cylon Civil War when he pulls a strange tetris-block shaped instrument out of his robe, screams something about Gooshie, and then Sam will leap in as the final Cylon.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica: The Final Cylon
Post by: ShadowDog on May 14, 2008, 10:11:41 PM
Speaking of Brother Cavil, am I the only one who enjoys watching him die over and over again?  I hate that douche!
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica: The Final Cylon
Post by: RoninFox on May 15, 2008, 05:55:41 AM
Speaking of Brother Cavil, am I the only one who enjoys watching him die over and over again?  I hate that douche!

They have done an excellent job in making him the absolute most hateable Cylon on the show, haven't they?  I think at this point even Dean Stockwell goes home and enjoys watching Cavil die on screen.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica: The Final Cylon
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on May 15, 2008, 08:00:44 AM
Speaking of Brother Cavil, am I the only one who enjoys watching him die over and over again?  I hate that douche!
They have done an excellent job in making him the absolute most hateable Cylon on the show, haven't they?  I think at this point even Dean Stockwell goes home and enjoys watching Cavil die on screen.

He seems to represent "the system", each of the other cylons we have gotten to know are examples of personal traits, but Cavil seems to represent society or government.  Follow the rules or else you'll get boxed, or lobotomized, or killed....
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica: The Final Cylon
Post by: ShadowDog on May 15, 2008, 10:40:49 AM
That's a good point.  In fact, a few eps back when he was pretending to bow to their will just so he could set up an ambush I never bought it because I knew he was an inflexible douche.  Too bad the revolting Cylons were a little more naive.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica: The Final Cylon
Post by: DarthChimay on May 15, 2008, 11:05:58 AM
Cavill is AWESOME! I love him! Yeah, it's fun to watch him get blown away, but he's such a great antagonist. I want more Cavill. In fact, fire everyone else from the show and just make it The Brother Cavill Variety Hour!

Well, okay, maybe not that last bit...
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica: The Final Cylon
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on May 15, 2008, 11:13:27 AM
That's a good point.  In fact, a few eps back when he was pretending to bow to their will just so he could set up an ambush I never bought it because I knew he was an inflexible douche.  Too bad the revolting Cylons were a little more naive.

I figured they were being set up to be boxed and the civil war would be over that, never thought they would start really killing each other.  But it had to be done that way to push the rebels into an alliance with the colonials.

According to the podcast there was more on the centurions starting to develop personalities, but it was all cut.  The one hole in the story for me is that once the centurions became "free", wouldn't they free all their fellow centurions, you would think this would spread throughout the cylon fleet pretty quickly?
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica: The Final Cylon
Post by: Jinto on May 17, 2008, 11:27:43 AM
So, after the most recent episode, here's a thought to contemplate:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica: The Final Cylon
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on May 17, 2008, 05:35:38 PM
So, after the most recent episode, here's a thought to contemplate:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Did you see the preview for the next episode? 

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica: The Final Cylon
Post by: Jinto on May 20, 2008, 04:17:02 AM
Did you see the preview for the next episode? 

Spoiler (click to show/hide)


No. I usually don't watch previews. They tend to give stuff away that I'd rather be surprised by.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica: The Final Cylon
Post by: SmilinJackRoss on May 20, 2008, 05:58:07 AM
Same here.  I also sheild my eyes during the opening credits when the show bits of the show.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica: The Final Cylon
Post by: ShadowDog on May 20, 2008, 08:07:54 AM
I watch them because I like to wet my beak for the next episode.  But there are some series I learned you can't do this with.  I remember a preview for Dead Zone that revealed who the secret killer was for the next episode!  It showed a little boy with a knife running towards you screaming and that allowed you to put all the pieces together to solve the mystery ten minutes into the show.  For the next 50 minutes you're waiting for the characters to catch up to you.  Fortunately, most series aren't that retarded.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica: The Final Cylon
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on May 20, 2008, 11:20:42 AM
So, after the most recent episode, here's a thought to contemplate:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

What about Tyrell and Cali's kid then?
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica: The Final Cylon
Post by: Jinto on May 20, 2008, 04:28:54 PM
So, after the most recent episode, here's a thought to contemplate:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

What about Tyrell and Cali's kid then?

oh yeah. hmm. so we're up to 15? jeez.

you know what'd piss everyone off though? if Cali came back as a cylon.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica: The Final Cylon
Post by: DarthChimay on May 20, 2008, 04:35:21 PM
So, after the most recent episode, here's a thought to contemplate:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

What about Tyrell and Cali's kid then?

oh yeah. hmm. so we're up to 15? jeez.

you know what'd piss everyone off though? if Cali came back as a cylon.

Not nearly as much as it would if Billy did.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica: The Final Cylon
Post by: ShadowDog on May 20, 2008, 05:14:06 PM
you know what'd piss everyone off though? if Cali came back as a cylon.

No it wouldn't!  I called it after she died and I love the idea since she is so fucking hawt!  >:-P~~~~~~~~~~~~
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica: The Final Cylon
Post by: Jinto on May 20, 2008, 05:20:12 PM
you know what'd piss everyone off though? if Cali came back as a cylon.

Not nearly as much as it would if Billy did.

ooh, good point.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica: The Final Cylon
Post by: DarthChimay on May 20, 2008, 05:33:08 PM
you know what'd piss everyone off though? if Cali came back as a cylon.

Not nearly as much as it would if Billy did.

ooh, good point.

Or Count Iblis.