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Help => OLD RiffTrax Player (archived) => Topic started by: Earthbound_X on April 12, 2008, 08:13:35 PM

Title: I found a way to fix the low dialogue volume.
Post by: Earthbound_X on April 12, 2008, 08:13:35 PM
I've had this problem since my first Rifftrax, low dialogue volume.
So I came here to check the forums, I found a few topics on it, but not any that could help someone with my lower of knowledge about codecs.
So after downloading all the codecs in the  If the RiffTrax DVD Player doesn't work for you... read this topic, I kinda found the fix by accident.
When I went into DVD settings on the Rifftrax player, then to codec properties, I clicked on the view proprieties of the AC3 Filter.

Then while messing with that, turn the bar for Gain options(Whatever that means), and turned it all the way up to +20dbs, and that fixed the dialogue volume problem!

So just download the AC3 Filter here
http://downloads.sourceforge.net/ac3filter/

I hope this helps other people, it was an annoying problem.

Oh, and the codec info will only show up if you already loaded the DVD up!

Maybe ya should sticky this so it can help everyone in the future.





Title: Re: I found a way to fix the low dialogue volume.
Post by: torgosPizza on April 12, 2008, 08:39:42 PM
Good info... stickied.
Title: Re: I found a way to fix the low dialogue volume.
Post by: tneelilsupaguy on May 08, 2008, 01:15:55 AM
THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU! ;D
Title: Re: I found a way to fix the low dialogue volume.
Post by: rock995 on May 11, 2008, 05:52:45 PM
Man, that was great!   Really fixed my problem with the  dvd dialog volume levels, now I can enjoy the Rifftrax Player a whole lot better.

Thanks!  Thanks!!  Thanks!!!  Earthbound_X :clap:
Title: Re: I found a way to fix the low dialogue volume.
Post by: CM916 on May 27, 2008, 06:24:04 PM
Awesome! I thought there was just something wrong with my Saw DVD but when Two Towers had the same issue, I came straight here. You are a hero to millions sir.
Title: Re: I found a way to fix the low dialogue volume.
Post by: AnimeHeretic on June 09, 2008, 10:15:01 AM
In my case, I checked the DVD audio when I saw this thread and saw it was set for default.  I chose custom and the codecs for my Interwin player... and the jump in volume ripped my head off.

I'm guessing the default is the problem, if codec is not specified
Title: Re: I found a way to fix the low dialogue volume.
Post by: Lord_Atmo on July 04, 2008, 06:20:22 PM
It didn't work for me. I tried that. Ever since i installed the update for the player, my dialog started to suck. And I don't have any way of obtaining the old one. Please help!
Title: Re: I found a way to fix the low dialogue volume.
Post by: vampirehunter42 on July 07, 2008, 08:42:12 AM
An add on to the above. And done in the same place.

If you only have two speakers on your computer as I do change the 'Output format' to 2/0 stereo. Also another thing that can help is going to the 'Gains' tab and raising the 'Voice' bar as needed. The problem is most movies have all the dialog going out the center speaker and if you have only two speakers your computer has no place to send it. They spend millions of dollars on a movie and they keep the dialog if played in mono. But this helped me.
Title: Re: I found a way to fix the low dialogue volume.
Post by: Earthbound_X on September 25, 2008, 08:34:42 PM
Nice to know this has helped some people.  :)

I still can't believe I found this randomly.

I know it's not a perfect fix, as the music still stays pretty high in volume.

I'm used to turning down the volume when the music picks up pretty high.   :-\


Title: Re: I found a way to fix the low dialogue volume.
Post by: EKS511 on December 13, 2008, 03:14:52 PM
I went to the site you gave and chose download for the ac3filter.  Now it's giving me two links, one for an exe file and another for a zip file.  Which one should I download?
Title: Re: I found a way to fix the low dialogue volume.
Post by: gorngonewild on January 04, 2009, 06:50:05 PM
I downloaded the exe file (right click, save target as). Download,  Installed, clicked off Custom filters setting then clicked off the ACfilter in the audio setting box and BOOM! Sound again.  I noticed I lost the sound a while ago even on older riffs that once worked they where now too low, I guess one of the updates to the riff player? Thanks for the awesome post!  After downloading the riffplayer it spoiled me, I only listed on the PC now.

Steve
Title: Re: I found a way to fix the low dialogue volume.
Post by: xrampage16 on January 13, 2009, 11:33:44 AM
Most of the time, when you see the ability to download a zip file, or exe file, the exe file in the installer program. The zip will either contain the exe file (in order to make the exe smaller) or it will contain the source code if you want to compile it yourself.

As for GAIN, that allows you to increase/decrease the decimal levels of audio.

The AC3Filter that they refer to will allow you to manually override those settings, since it seems that the default values are inadequate to your listening needs.
Title: Re: I found a way to fix the low dialogue volume.
Post by: prunebush on August 30, 2009, 07:46:55 PM
Wow!  They should totally give you all the free RiffTrax you can eat for this.  I was about to give up on RiffTrax as an idea that looked good on paper but is actually more trouble than it's worth.  (I was consoling myself by buying the shorts, but I had given up on buying the full movie tracks--and I'm a MSTie from was back to season 1 on the Comedy Channel before the merger with HA! that created Comedy Central.)

Your suggestion fixed my problem, and now I'm gonna buy some movies!

Tell 'em I said that we elected you king of RiffTrax and you can have all you want any time.

Thanks!!
Title: Re: I found a way to fix the low dialogue volume.
Post by: torgosPizza on August 30, 2009, 08:05:44 PM
"More trouble than it's worth" - how so? We'd be genuinely curious in your feedback. Thanks!
Title: Re: I found a way to fix the low dialogue volume.
Post by: prunebush on August 30, 2009, 08:44:47 PM
Here's what I meant by the "more trouble than it's worth" comment...

I got all fired up after seeing the awesome live show on Thursday (in Lincoln, NE) and went to buy some stuff online.

I bought two full-movie RiffTrax and tried the self-sync method with my home DVD player and my Sansa MP3 playing playing through some speakers.  On BOTH movies (Twilight and Spiderman), I would have it synced up fine, and the DVD would creep ahead of the MP3 riff playback.  Literally every 3 or 4 minutes I'd have to pause the DVD for a couple of seconds to restore sync--all the way through both movies.  This TOTALLY distracted from the funny and would actually have been near-impossible if I had been appropriately intoxicated for the endeavor!

This sync problem made me wonder if different hardware MP3 players might have slightly different "clock speeds" or something.  It was always the DVD that got ahead of the riffs, and this had to be corrected FREQUENTLY.  No fun.

Plus, even when the DVD and riffs were in sync, with no ducking I could not seem to get sound levels that worked well at all.  Another constant distraction.

Thought I could still enjoy RiffTrax on the free software player, and downloaded that.  No workee.  Problem #1 was that it totally failed to recognize the existence of an inserted DVD--play buttons were greyed out--even though other software DVD players on the same computer played them fine.  (I already had PowerDVD installed and lots o'codecs and STILL had this problem.  On another post, someone had suggested the K_Lite codec pack as a fix, and it DID work!  I was THRILLED.
 
Then I sat down with my daughter to watch Spiderman on the computer, the DVD sound and riffs worked GREAT through the opening credits, but when the actual movie started, there was ZERO audible DVD dialogue!!!  (Music, sfx, and riffs were loud and clear, but NO character dialogue at all.)  I came here looking for a fix and found this post, which DID fix it.  If not for that--as big a MSTie as I have been for decades-- I would have deemed RiffTrax more trouble than it was worth and consoled myself with only buying the pre-synced shorts for 99 cents.

Thanks for asking!

Title: Re: I found a way to fix the low dialogue volume.
Post by: torgosPizza on August 30, 2009, 09:53:40 PM
No problem. I do have another question. You said:

Literally every 3 or 4 minutes I'd have to pause the DVD for a couple of seconds to restore sync--all the way through both movies.  This TOTALLY distracted from the funny and would actually have been near-impossible if I had been appropriately intoxicated for the endeavor!

This is usually caused by downloading the wrong mp3 file. A PAL movie, which is usually reserved for other regions outside of North America (Europe, Australia, etc.) and it has a higher framerate than NTSC (U.S. and Canada), thus giving the effect that it runs a little bit faster. If you downloaded the PAL version of the mp3 file, but you had the U.S. version of the DVD, then the mp3 would tend to keep getting ahead of the movie by a significant amount every few minutes, resulting in the issue you encountered.

So, the question is: Did you download an mp3 file that has "PAL" in the filename? And if so, is there a way we can make it clearer what this means? If you second-guessed it even for a second, is there something we could place somewhere that would give you more insight as to what that actually means with regard to the video or mp3 speed?

Did you download the file through the link in your email? I think that's where a lot of the confusion comes from. Perhaps I should add a little bit of text in the email to warn customers what the differences are between mp3 files.

I'm saying this because, an issue like that should be fairly obviously not the way things are supposed to work. :)  At least, I'd hope. The mp3s are designed to be played "in perfect sync" with the DVD - so I would imagine that, when you don't get the desired result, you would come to the site's FAQ or the forum - or even the site itself, which does contain pointers - and try to troubleshoot the issue.

The manual syncing process is really easy, so I wanted to make sure that the issue wasn't so much a technological downfall as opposed to something like a syncing issue (which usually takes a try or two to get the hang of, anyway). I could understand the frustration though, and trust me when I say you're not the only one who has encountered the "playback timing is wrong" issue - so I'd like to do whatever I can to help out.

Thanks for your insight!
Title: Re: I found a way to fix the low dialogue volume.
Post by: prunebush on August 31, 2009, 05:48:40 AM
Hi again:

I wish the solution were that easy, but  I'm very clear on the NTSC vs. PAL format issue, and I was playing the NTSC-synced MP3 with an NTSC DVD.

Is there any substance to my speculation that different physical MP3 players, such as an iPod vs. my Sansa player, might have slightly different "clock speeds" or something that affect the accuracy of their playback speed?

BTW, The e-mail link led me to the download page on my account, and I downloaded from there.

Twilight, for example, came packed as Twilight_Rifftrax.zip, and the mp3 extracted from that  is Twilight_Rifftrax.mp3.  (No PAL in the title.)

Oh, one more bit of evidence that it's not somehow a PAL/NTSC issue:  Now that my RiffTrax software player is fixed and working, the riff and the DVD stay synced-up perfectly--same riff mp3 I used on my Sansa player, and same DVD as before.

Thanks for your interest.
Title: Re: I found a way to fix the low dialogue volume.
Post by: torgosPizza on August 31, 2009, 10:06:14 AM
Hmm very strange. It could very well be due to a playback speed issue with either the DVD player or the mp3 device. Not really sure exactly why that could happen. Did you notice any difference between the two? Do you have a different mp3 device you could try? Something like that which isn't a known issue (to us, anyway, at the moment) would be great to have on file - that way we can save others the trouble in the future.

Thanks for your additional info, it's really helpful.
Title: Re: I found a way to fix the low dialogue volume.
Post by: prunebush on August 31, 2009, 10:57:27 AM
When I have some spare time, I'll try these movies with my wife's iPod manually synced to our hardware DVD deck and see if it stays synced better than my Sansa mp3 player did.    Will also try using the laptop as an mp3 player, using WMP or iTunes, synced manually with our hardware DVD deck.

If different mp3 players actually play at slightly different speeds, that's a whole new can of worms for you!  (Oh, goody!)

I'll let you know how it goes!

At the moment I'm satisfied with my software RiffTrax player, though it took some work to get there.

Title: Re: I found a way to fix the low dialogue volume.
Post by: Earthbound_X on September 07, 2009, 02:52:08 PM
Heheh, maybe they should give me a little name under my forum name that says King of Rifftrax, haha.

Glad to see this is still helping some people.