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Title: MTV warns us of a new Holocaust.
Post by: Courtney on April 08, 2008, 08:19:44 AM
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The thing is, I think these are really interesting ads and a pretty great statement.  THAT SAID, MTV has played a large part in creating the apathy of today's youth.  Shows like Super Sweet Sixteen and all the other bullshit they present, I mean they've turned "stupid spoiled whore" into a goal, a fashion statement, and their entire core audience is therefore too stupid to actually understand these ads anyway. 

/soapbox
Title: Re: MTV warns us of a new Holocaust.
Post by: jewishcarpenter on April 08, 2008, 08:42:46 AM
I would partake in a  "Alcoholocaust" and that's about it.
Title: Re: MTV warns us of a new Holocaust.
Post by: Reductio_ad_absurdum on April 08, 2008, 08:54:35 AM
Uh... and who is supposed to be issuing this American Holocaust?  For what reasons are the Government doing this?  Why are these people being targetted, et cetera.  People have a right to political statements, but it doesn't excuse half-assed or just plain wrong statements.

I always say this because I believe it to be true, but always fear the messiahs and not the machiavelli's.  One will shoot you in front of everyone as a statement, but the other will take you and your entire family out back to die to mediate bad PR.
Title: Re: MTV warns us of a new Holocaust.
Post by: esoobaC .T bocaJ on April 08, 2008, 11:33:45 AM
I don't get it
Title: Re: MTV warns us of a new Holocaust.
Post by: BBQ Platypus on April 08, 2008, 11:47:29 AM
Yeah, the Holocaust also happened in a nation in the throes of an economic depression and hyperinflation, with no previous history of democracy.  And furthermore, what, if anything, are these ads trying to say?  That the people who died in the Holocaust were members of the same species (Homo sapiens) as us?  Congratulations.  We already knew that.  Are they trying to insinuate that the American government is or will be doing something like this?  Because if they are, they're completely, irreconcilably, idiotically fucking wrong.

What a load of shite.
Title: Re: MTV warns us of a new Holocaust.
Post by: gbeenie on April 08, 2008, 11:55:12 AM
Bleh. Even by polemic standards (which is about all MTV is capable of; I wouldn't even imagine them able to command rhetoric), those ads are pure piffle. The entire "Rock The Vote" mindset seems to be: Your complete lack of knowledge of the issues doesn't matter, so long as you get out there and vote! I can't imagine an attitude more wrong-headed or harmful.
Title: Re: MTV warns us of a new Holocaust.
Post by: bratpop on April 08, 2008, 11:58:40 AM
Vote for Obama! He's all like, almost not old, and stuff. Rock!
Title: Re: MTV warns us of a new Holocaust.
Post by: jewishcarpenter on April 08, 2008, 11:58:54 AM
Bleh. Even by polemic standards (which is about all MTV is capable of; I wouldn't even imagine them able to command rhetoric), those ads are pure piffle. The entire "Rock The Vote" mindset seems to be: Your complete lack of knowledge of the issues doesn't matter, so long as you get out there and vote! I can't imagine an attitude more wrong-headed or harmful.
I'm pretty sure that's how a majority of people vote, only without the catchy music.
Title: Re: MTV warns us of a new Holocaust.
Post by: esoobaC .T bocaJ on April 08, 2008, 12:00:19 PM
Vote Ron Paul! he's crazy awesome
Title: Re: MTV warns us of a new Holocaust.
Post by: Petey Wheatstraw on April 08, 2008, 12:13:52 PM
what, if anything, are these ads trying to say?

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
George Santayana
Title: Re: MTV warns us of a new Holocaust.
Post by: tgeorgic on April 08, 2008, 12:28:59 PM
i think they credit carlos santana for that statement on their channel :)
Title: Re: MTV warns us of a new Holocaust.
Post by: DarthChimay on April 10, 2008, 12:26:24 PM
I like the ads from an aesthetic viewpoint, but I really have to ask who they're talking about? Are we in some danger of turning into a police state that I was unaware of? Sure, people do seem willing to give up their constitutional freedoms in astonishing ways, but I think we're still a far way off from the pogroms that are illustrated in the ads. The commercials remind me of this crazed screed I read in the WorldNutDaily where this woman ranted about how all Christians would go to prison because of their beliefs if Hillary were elected president. There's a strange paranoia mixed with a desparate urge to be a martyr that seems to grip a lot of people these days.

I'll get off my soap box now and get back to the dick and fart jokes.
Title: Re: MTV warns us of a new Holocaust.
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on April 10, 2008, 02:34:45 PM
Wake me when they start showing music videos again.
Title: Re: MTV warns us of a new Holocaust.
Post by: DarthChimay on April 10, 2008, 03:03:27 PM
Why would MTV show music videos?
Title: Re: MTV warns us of a new Holocaust.
Post by: Petey Wheatstraw on April 10, 2008, 03:19:19 PM
Are we in some danger of turning into a police state that I was unaware of?

Well, there's the PATRIOT act....
Title: Re: MTV warns us of a new Holocaust.
Post by: DarthChimay on April 10, 2008, 04:32:02 PM
Are we in some danger of turning into a police state that I was unaware of?

Well, there's the PATRIOT act....

Which is awful, unconstitutional, and needs to be repealed sooner rather than later, but doesn't give law enforcement the absolute powers that they would have in a police state.
Title: Re: MTV warns us of a new Holocaust.
Post by: Tyrant on April 10, 2008, 05:31:41 PM
The fact that we can still say these things on this forum and not have S.W.A.T. teams busting into our houses while we're typing with barking dogs and automatic weapons trained on us says everything.

Also, I'm all for making jokes at everyones' expense including my own on all levels and strive not to be anal retentive about stuff like this, but as a person of Semetic ethnicity, I feel the commercial is trivializing the Holocaust completely. The Holocaust was a genocidal movement, not quite what they're attempting to portray in the commercial. Show some Nazis marching around or something if you're trying to draw comparisons to a police state, not Jews getting herded out of a train.
Title: Re: MTV warns us of a new Holocaust.
Post by: Tripe on April 10, 2008, 05:46:32 PM
Yes exactly see while the symbolic image of the Porajmos/Ha-Shoah is the Vernichtungslager, the majority of its victims suffered a much more drawn out process.

I think everyone watching Steal a Pencil for Me might be a better way to educate about what the bastard NAZIs almost succeeded in doing.

Title: Re: MTV warns us of a new Holocaust.
Post by: J-Proof on April 10, 2008, 06:06:23 PM
holy crap... how long have those ads been on tv? And are they on mtv or mtv2? And how long before the dudes with assault rifles reak into MY house?

Honestly... these ads are entirely about mtv's affect on society over the last decade-and-a-half, and mtv doesn't even know it.
Title: Re: MTV warns us of a new Holocaust.
Post by: DarthChimay on April 10, 2008, 07:48:17 PM
The fact that we can still say these things on this forum and not have S.W.A.T. teams busting into our houses while we're typing with barking dogs and automatic weapons trained on us says everything.

True, at least until I call them, which I'm doing... right..... now. There.
Title: Re: MTV warns us of a new Holocaust.
Post by: Cosmic Muse on April 21, 2008, 11:36:46 AM
I'm going to wager a bet all those people were corralled and sent to Death Camps because they were actually watching music videos, something the alleged MTV doesn't show enough of.
Title: Re: MTV warns us of a new Holocaust.
Post by: DarthChimay on April 21, 2008, 11:45:37 AM
Hopefully they were rounding up all former cast members of The Real World.
Title: Re: MTV warns us of a new Holocaust.
Post by: Cosmic Muse on April 23, 2008, 06:07:40 AM
Hopefully they were rounding up all former cast members of The Real World.

They could throw in anyone who shows up for TRL as well.
Title: Re: MTV warns us of a new Holocaust.
Post by: DarthChimay on April 23, 2008, 09:52:22 AM
Hopefully they were rounding up all former cast members of The Real World.

They could throw in anyone who shows up for TRL as well.

Listen. And understand. La la Vasquez is out there. She can't be bargained with. She can't be reasoned with. She doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And she absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead.

** edited to reflect correct gender. Shows how much I know about that show. Heck, I thought Carson Daly still hosted it until I looked it up on Wikipedia.
Title: Re: MTV warns us of a new Holocaust.
Post by: macnorton on April 29, 2008, 10:06:14 AM
Uhm, being educated and not watching MTV for close to 10 years, what was the point of those ads?  Is it that they are going to round me up and force me to watch endless episodes of Tila Tequila?  Super Sweet 16?  TRL?  Or worse the Sucker Free Countdown?  I am no sucka that is for damn sure.
Title: Re: MTV warns us of a new Holocaust.
Post by: Taufiq2u on May 02, 2008, 05:03:39 AM
I think the message of these ads are simple:

"Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it."

Simple.
Title: Re: MTV warns us of a new Holocaust.
Post by: Sheik Yerbouti on May 03, 2008, 03:30:42 AM
Okay so... if I vote for John McCain the USA is going to turn into a police state?  Seriously?  I don't think McCain's got it in him.

You know what MTV?  Go to hell.
Douchebags.
Title: Re: MTV warns us of a new Holocaust.
Post by: Smoky on May 07, 2008, 03:02:33 PM
Uh, yeah, those were meaningful.