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Title: Rhino no more?
Post by: jetjaguar15 on January 23, 2008, 09:57:15 PM
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/television/news/e3i70209203cc868321427d1a1f5c3db6bb

Check out the link. We may no longer have to deal with Rhino's repeated boo-boo's on the DVD releases...
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: BathTub on January 23, 2008, 10:05:22 PM
Yeah this is very interesting news.
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: MrTorso on January 23, 2008, 10:15:40 PM
Wow! Let's hope they are still willing to do box sets.
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: Fuzzy Necromancer on January 23, 2008, 10:23:39 PM
Garson Foos? 0_o

that's an odd name.

Oh well. Previously unavailable episodes? =o


WOO HOO!
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: mrbasehart on January 24, 2008, 04:11:56 AM
I'm surprised Jim Mallon would go to the company that released the Film Crew DVDs, seeing as it's supposed he stopped the release of them while they were at Rhino. 

It would be nice if they did box sets, and hopefully for clarity's sake, they kept with the Rhion numbering in terms of the volumes.
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: Minnesota on January 24, 2008, 04:48:50 AM
I'd like to see complete season sets personally.

I assume these DVDs are popular but no one really knows for sure. Makes you wonder how Comedy Central & Sci Fi did it back in the day.
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: dignan on January 24, 2008, 05:11:34 AM
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The series lasted 11 seasons and includes 198 episodes, all of which are ultimately bound for both DVD and digital distribution through Shout! Factory.

Okay, although that doesn't make mention of exactly HOW they'll arrive on DVD...woo hoo!!!
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on January 24, 2008, 05:22:58 AM
Maybe the popularity of the torrents of taped episodes will speed up the release of the official versions of episodes.

Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: Bob on January 24, 2008, 05:25:45 AM
I am curious about the "digital download rights" and what that means for us.  

Or, it could be a case of "meet the new boss, same as the old boss".

Or, it could mean more Film Crew DVDs since they are all under one roof.
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: MontyServo on January 24, 2008, 07:09:00 AM
They say they have rights to all of the episodes, but they will still have the same movie licensing issues that Rhino had.

Season sets are not likely to happen for that very reason.

I am interested to see what company picks up Cinematic Titanic.  That thing is not gonna stay an independently released entity for very long.  Any interest from Legend Films in bringing them under the umbrella?  Or maybe they will be able to get a TV deal with someone.  It seems like something that would fit in well on Adult Swim.
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: RVR II on January 24, 2008, 07:12:26 AM
So Jim Mallon has Finally seen the light.. ::)
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: BEERxTaco on January 24, 2008, 07:17:01 AM
Yeah I'd say this is a great move for Shout Factory...  looking at their Top 5 sellers right now:
 
 1) Hollywood After Dark
The Film Crew
 
2) Giant Of Marathon
The Film Crew
 
3) Wild Women Of Wongo
The Film Crew
 
4) Killers From Space
The Film Crew
 
5) Good To See You Again, Alice Cooper
Alice Cooper
 
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: RVR II on January 24, 2008, 07:29:06 AM
Looking Forward to this now :highfive:
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: SmilinJackRoss on January 24, 2008, 08:14:26 AM
Quote from: hollywoodreporter.com
The series lasted 11 seasons and includes 198 episodes, all of which are ultimately bound for both DVD and digital distribution through Shout! Factory.

I seriously doubt this.  The reason we have the DVD sets and not "seasons" is because most of the rights they had on the movies have expired.  They would have to re-secure the rights to all those movies, and while each film would probably have it's own unique rights issues (price, length of time to have the rights, etc.) I seriously doubt they can/will get rights to all 198 movies.
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: MontyServo on January 24, 2008, 08:20:28 AM
One good thing that may come out of this move is that Shout Factory! now has a chance to really shine in regards to special features in these sets.  Something that I always thought was lacking on the Rhino sets.
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: Isaac S. on January 24, 2008, 09:10:53 AM
What an interesting development!  I wonder if that's the final nail in the Film Crew's coffin, though...  Still, we have RiffTrax, so I'm not too worried about that.  Shout! Factory is my favorite company when it comes to DVD releases.  Look at all the things I love that they've done: Film Crew, the Weird Al Show, the Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog, the SatAM Sonic show, the Mario shows they do, and now MST3K!  I love them!  I'm interested to see what they do with the show...
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: MrTorso on January 24, 2008, 09:32:34 AM
I seriously doubt this.  The reason we have the DVD sets and not "seasons" is because most of the rights they had on the movies have expired.  They would have to re-secure the rights to all those movies, and while each film would probably have it's own unique rights issues (price, length of time to have the rights, etc.) I seriously doubt they can/will get rights to all 198 movies.

I guarantee that any rights they had to the movies when they were on TV did not include home video rights at all. Even back then they would have had to renegotiate rights to release them on video.
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: SmilinJackRoss on January 24, 2008, 09:36:10 AM
I guarantee that any rights they had to the movies when they were on TV did not include home video rights at all. Even back then they would have had to renegotiate rights to release them on video.

So....are you agreeing with me?  I'm sure you're right, and it just means that they still have to secure the rights to sell them on DVD, and I'm saying that this is probably not going to happen for every episode.
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: skenderberg on January 24, 2008, 11:15:26 AM
Downloadable episodes would be great.  People might even start to visit MST3K.com again.
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: Brak on January 24, 2008, 01:28:39 PM
I hope that Rhino will still have a single dvd release for the episode they are putting on the new version of Volume 10.

This is way exciting that they are doing this, i'll love to see what the new sets will look like and all of the special features they can put in them. 
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: Nick on January 24, 2008, 02:00:50 PM
So what changes will be made, or have any been announced yet? If they have the same licensing problems as Rhino did what will they do that's different?
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: Brak on January 24, 2008, 02:17:25 PM
My guess is that they will be shipping out collections more often or something. nothing else really has been announce yet.
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: Tarantulas on January 24, 2008, 03:42:06 PM
Shout Factory is a subsidiary of Rhino, so it’s really not that big of news, except that a new division of the same company (that was formed for special projects like this).

The whole thing with Jim “taking his ball and going home” was debunked by Kevin (likely the one on best terms with Jim) who said that the film crew thing was delayed because the exec at Rhino who was in charge of the Film Crew project left Rhino for a bit (putting the project in jeopardy) but came back when they decided to form Shout Factory.. so the project came back online, and we have our 4 Film Crew discs as proof.

It’s not as big of a conspiracy of people made it out to be… so everyone relax.
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: MrTorso on January 24, 2008, 04:31:25 PM
Shout! Is its own company started by ex-Rhino people.  Rhino has nothing to do with Shout! at all.
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: Minnesota on January 24, 2008, 09:39:08 PM
No conspiracy, Jim Mallon really IS a tool.
Also, I've never liked the Rhino sets because of the high prices / unavailability, good riddance.
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: MrTorso on January 24, 2008, 10:24:52 PM
No conspiracy, Jim Mallon really IS a tool.
Also, I've never liked the Rhino sets because of the high prices / unavailability, good riddance.

I doubt Shout! Factory will be any cheaper.  As far as unavailability I never had a problem finding the sets at Best Buy/Circuit City/Borders/Every online store.  In the grand scheme of things MST3K is a niche product and will never break any sales records.  You also can't compare the price of  MST to other TV shows. Not only does Shout have to pay for the rights of the actual show material they also have to pay for the rights to the movie being riffed.
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: Raven on January 24, 2008, 10:31:06 PM
I hope that Rhino will still have a single dvd release for the episode they are putting on the new version of Volume 10.

It said on mst3kinfo.com that the 10.2 would be Rhino's last release, so the single disk version will still be a part of that release.  At least temporarily as originally intended. 
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: Fuzzy Necromancer on January 24, 2008, 10:34:13 PM
I also had no trouble with avialability. Local suncoast always had it in stock, and they carry Film Crew shelved right next door to it, so their likely to keep up the service after the ownership change.

As far as possible positive changes go, I think I'd like to see more information about the colorful history of these films. What props were stolen from a studio lot in the dead of night, what actors also appeared in other MST3K-ed films, what was going on with the continuity in that one fight scene, why was the vampire played by two different actors, why was there a narration the whole movie, and who killed themselves after the filming was done?
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: hare.29 on January 25, 2008, 06:56:43 AM
A rhino/mst3k.com blowout on the collections is probably too much to hope for.
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: torgosPizza on January 25, 2008, 01:17:17 PM
This just came in my email (Shout! Factory newsletter):

Mystery Science Theater 3000 Comes To Shout! Factory
First Shout! Factory brought you The Film Crew on DVD. Now we're reeling in the Satellite of Love to bring you Mystery Science Theater 3000, too. Stay tuned for info on DVD releases as well as digital offerings. In the meantime, get ready to cozy on up to your favorite 'bot buddy and set your phasers to funny. Tom Servo would want it that way.
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: BEERxTaco on January 25, 2008, 02:03:52 PM
as well as digital offerings.

Please no DRM, oh please oh please....  :-\
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: Insert Coin(s) to Continue on January 25, 2008, 02:31:24 PM
Rhino did an excellent job on the packaging for the MST3K DVDs. Will we still be seeing that?

I also read that Shout! had rights to some of the episodes that Rhino didn't. Does anyone know anything about this?

I'll reserve judgment on this decision until someone comes out with a "Santa Claus / Gamera vs. Guiron / King Dinosaur / SoulTaker" set :P

I second the request for season sets made earlier in the thread. I know, I know. Impossible. But still...
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: MrTorso on January 25, 2008, 03:47:21 PM
Rhino did an excellent job on the packaging for the MST3K DVDs. Will we still be seeing that?

I would have to disagree with you there. I really never liked the box set packages. The single releases were ok except for repeated typos.


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I also read that Shout! had rights to some of the episodes that Rhino didn't. Does anyone know anything about this?

They have the rights to all of the episodes. That is to say all of the footage that Best Brains shot. They then have to get the rights to the actual movie being riffed in order to release them.

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I'll reserve judgment on this decision until someone comes out with a "Santa Claus / Gamera vs. Guiron / King Dinosaur / SoulTaker" set :P

That would be one hell of a set that is for sure.

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I second the request for season sets made earlier in the thread. I know, I know. Impossible. But still...

We can dream can't we?
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: Keroppi20 on January 25, 2008, 03:51:21 PM
New Info from Shout! Factory:

" I'm looking forward to beginning work on this as soon as possible.  Having been a fan of MST3K since its beginning and having already produced the four Film Crew titles, I can't wait.

You will never see season volumes of the series, I'm afraid.  That is, unless there's someone with REALLY DEEP pockets that just want to do it without the hopes of receiving a profit.  The films came from multiple studios and copyright owners and no one company can afford to license every single movie ever addressed by the MST3K gang in a single season.  That, sadly, includes us.

But we are ironing out some awesome plans for the upcoming first set and will start officially working on it very soon.  I promise you MST3K fans that you will NOT be disappointed.

Brian"
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: MrTorso on January 25, 2008, 04:01:42 PM
That is cool. I just hope if they get a defective master tape from BBI (Dead Talk Back anyone??) they just say no and move on to the next.  They really need to examine the masters before licensing the movie.
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: Bob on January 25, 2008, 04:11:30 PM
TOR NO CARE ABOUT NO PACKING.   TIME FOR TO USE JOSH'S COVERS

(http://www.nndb.com/people/418/000103109/tor-johnson-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: BathTub on January 25, 2008, 05:15:32 PM
Pesky Rhinos got you down?

Then you need Rhino No More! to take care of all your Rhino woes.

Bought to you by Rhino-B-Gone Inc.
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: trish01 on January 25, 2008, 05:19:29 PM
This sounds interesting. They say that ALL of the episodes are headed towards DVD/download. Could that mean that the fans are finally going to get access to the first 3 (or 4 if you count the concept episode) KTMA episodes?
And I agree that a season by season system would be better, but it seems unlikely.
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: Doctor Who? on January 25, 2008, 07:46:54 PM
I have never g got a Rhino disc that didn't have a problem of some kind,they rarely had any extras,and they where hard to find.

So i think this is good news.

Shout! did a better job with the four film crew discs then Rhino did on any of the MST3K discs.
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: mrbasehart on January 25, 2008, 08:49:28 PM
I have never g got a Rhino disc that didn't have a problem of some kind,they rarely had any extras,and they where hard to find.

I only ever had one problem with Rhino's discs, but it was a pretty major one.  Pod People snapped in half when I first took it out of the case.  Very annoying!

Anyways, like I've said before: If Shout Factory! do put out volumes like Rhino did, I would like them to keep to the volume numbering system that Rhino had.  I think full season box sets would probably take too long in getting all the movie rights, not to mention the cost of the set.
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: MrTorso on January 25, 2008, 10:44:44 PM
The only problems I had with any of the Rhino discs were with the BBI supplied masters.
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: Keroppi20 on January 25, 2008, 10:50:48 PM
Shout! has basically said that there is absolutely no way to do season box sets, it is just too impractical.
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on January 26, 2008, 06:14:16 AM
Is Shout gonna re-release the episodes that Rhino has already put out, or does Rhino still retain the rights to those episodes?
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: Bob on January 26, 2008, 06:21:21 AM
Is Shout gonna re-release the episodes that Rhino has already put out, or does Rhino still retain the rights to those episodes?

I cannot imagine that Shout would rerelease the Rhino sets.   If you were in charge of Shout and wanted to sell the most units, you would not rerelease sets that you figure all of your fan base already owns.
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: RVR II on January 26, 2008, 06:30:08 AM
Is Shout gonna re-release the episodes that Rhino has already put out, or does Rhino still retain the rights to those episodes?

I cannot imagine that Shout would rerelease the Rhino sets.   If you were in charge of Shout and wanted to sell the most units, you would not rerelease sets that you figure all of your fan base already owns.
OOOOO... Brilliant Deduction my Dear Watson! ;D
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: Bob on January 26, 2008, 06:32:28 AM
Is Shout gonna re-release the episodes that Rhino has already put out, or does Rhino still retain the rights to those episodes?

I cannot imagine that Shout would rerelease the Rhino sets.   If you were in charge of Shout and wanted to sell the most units, you would not rerelease sets that you figure all of your fan base already owns.
OOOOO... Brilliant Deduction my Dear Watson! ;D

Of course, if I ran coke I never would have switched to NEW coke and piss off three generations of Americans either.........   :-\
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: RVR II on January 26, 2008, 06:34:33 AM
 :D :D If you ran Coke, your employees better not be caught drinking Pepsi either.. ::)
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: MrTorso on January 26, 2008, 07:18:57 AM
Is Shout gonna re-release the episodes that Rhino has already put out, or does Rhino still retain the rights to those episodes?

Maybe eventually. I seriously doubt Rhino will have any rights. More than likely they will all go OOP and some stores will return them while some stores will just keep their stock until they run out.
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: MrTorso on January 26, 2008, 09:16:08 AM
So, time to invest in some of these...

If I didn't have them all I would.  You never know what Shout! is going to do but I really hope they don't double dip for a really long time.
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: wakachiwaka on January 26, 2008, 10:55:45 AM
Between this, the Film Crew, and the upcoming Sam & Max set, Shout!Factory is quickly becoming my favorite company.
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on January 26, 2008, 11:25:17 AM
The Rhino releases aren't going to turn into the same kind of problem that the MST3k movie has?  I know that was kind of a strange and special rights problem, but Rhino isn't going to sit on the rights to the episodes they released I hope.  I made a hefty profit on the 10 dollars MST3k movie I bought thanks to these rights problems.
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: MrTorso on January 26, 2008, 12:55:56 PM
The Rhino releases aren't going to turn into the same kind of problem that the MST3k movie has?  I know that was kind of a strange and special rights problem, but Rhino isn't going to sit on the rights to the episodes they released I hope.  I made a hefty profit on the 10 dollars MST3k movie I bought thanks to these rights problems.


Rhino will not have ANY rights to MST3K.  We will never know if any kind of deal is in place to allow them to sell through any stock they might have in their warehouse, but they certainly won't be pressing any more discs. Back in the day when titles would go out of print stores were given a chance to return them to manufacturer for credit or keep the stock with no chance of being able to return it.  When they were recalled they were then sold to remainder companies then sold in bulk to retail stores for bargain racks.  I used to find many a rare title in my cut-out racks.  I would bet that even if Rhino retained the MST rights a few of the sets would go out of print, just because it wouldn't be cost effective to do another pressing on something that is not a huge seller.  If you haven't bought a set that has been out for 6 years by now you probably won't buy it all.
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: Fuzzy Necromancer on January 27, 2008, 11:45:01 AM
*shudder*

It's times like these I'm glad that I've bought every MST3K dvd ever made available as soon as I possibly could. o_o

Still, some DVDs are starting to wear out a bit. I notice that Atomic Brain and Beginning of the End developed a lot of skipping problems after the first four or five viewings.

So, folks, what is your consensus? Is it, or is it not, hoarding time?
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: Minnesota on January 27, 2008, 07:32:33 PM

So, folks, what is your consensus? Is it, or is it not, hoarding time?

The consensus: All Rhino MST3K DVDs are now Out Of Print.
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on January 27, 2008, 07:47:46 PM
Ka-Ching!...........in a few years?
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: Bob on January 28, 2008, 06:54:32 AM

So, folks, what is your consensus? Is it, or is it not, hoarding time?

The consensus: All Rhino MST3K DVDs are now Out Of Print.

Ladies and Gentlemen, let the hoarding begin!     I will call Amazon.com and give them a heads up.
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: FordPrefect on January 28, 2008, 08:54:58 AM
Of course if all the Rhino episodes eventually become unavailable to fans who didn't buy them already, it would be in BBI's best interest to reissue them at some point in the future. Would Shout have to re-obtain the rights to the movies Rhino put out already?
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: MrTorso on January 28, 2008, 09:59:10 AM
Probably. Rhino paid for them so I doubt they will be nice and give them to Shout! Factory.  I guess it is also possible that Shout! won't be able to release any of the episodes that Rhino still has the rights to the films until Rhino's rights expire or have to buy them from Rhino.
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: skenderberg on January 28, 2008, 12:59:32 PM
Probably. Rhino paid for them so I doubt they will be nice and give them to Shout! Factory.  I guess it is also possible that Shout! won't be able to release any of the episodes that Rhino still has the rights to the films until Rhino's rights expire or have to buy them from Rhino.
I would be very surprised it the rights issues haven't already been settled as part of the handover to Shout! Factory, either by having Shout! Factory buy out the rights or allowing Rhino to continue as the publisher of the older releases until the rights expire.  I guess we'll find out.
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: MrTorso on January 28, 2008, 02:43:53 PM
I don't think it should matter. Rhino only put out 53 episodes on DVD. There are 121 other episodes that haven't been released. Shout! does not need to double dip. Some of the Rhino DVDs have been out for 8 years.  If you haven't bought them yet you aren't going to. I really hope Shout! didn't waste money on titles that Rhino put out.
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: Minnesota on January 28, 2008, 03:16:42 PM
I agree with MrTorso, don't count on Shout! releasing very many of the old DVDs. Although I'm fairly certain a few titles will get double dipped like Santa Clause Conquers the Martians, Manos, and a small handful of others (... even those titles arent guaranteed at this point and are likely still owned by Rhino).
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on January 28, 2008, 03:24:34 PM
I would think Space Mutiny and Time Chasers would be hot properties.  Maybe I'm crazy.
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: Minnesota on January 28, 2008, 03:31:21 PM
Yup, those too. One thing Shout! could do is pull a Disney and hold off releasing the hot properties until supplies diminish and demand grows.

Then again, they might not have a choice in the matter due to lack of rights.
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: dalem on January 28, 2008, 11:03:32 PM
I don't think it should matter. Rhino only put out 53 episodes on DVD. There are 121 other episodes that haven't been released. Shout! does not need to double dip. Some of the Rhino DVDs have been out for 8 years.  If you haven't bought them yet you aren't going to. I really hope Shout! didn't waste money on titles that Rhino put out.

I'm probably an outlier but I disagree a teensy bit about "If you haven't bought them yet you aren't going to."  I''ve got all the box sets but only 4 of the individuals, and 3 of those I bought last week.  BUT I would rather not see double-dipping either.  I can always rent or borrow what's already out.  Bring on the new!  Of the old.  And stuff.

-dale
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: MartyS (Gromit) on January 29, 2008, 04:26:29 PM
TV guide got BBI's name wrong while reporting the switch to Shout  (They say Big Brains Inc.):

http://community.tvguide.com/blog-entry/TVGuide-Editors-Blog/Dvd-News-Reviews/Mst3k-Dvd-Rights/800031720
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: BEERxTaco on January 30, 2008, 08:06:24 AM
From Shout! Factory:

We were extremely excited to pick this title up.  Shout! Factory is a great home for MST3K and its fans (of which I'm included).  The beauty of it is that I own all 12 of the sets, as well, and, therefore, know EXACTLY what I would like to do differently.  And there's plenty.

But we're still coming down off the high of acquiring the series and are just now beginning to really plan out our schedule.  I can tell you that we're in no way interested in following up the Rhino releases with stuff they've already put out there.  We don't like to double dip, if at all possible.  Secondly, those original episodes have been thrown about the conference table in conversation.  We'd love to find a way to include stuff from that first season, but we can't make any promises.

We're looking into everything.  We're going to have fun with this series.  MST3K has never really been handled the way it should've been.  We know that and we're hoping to remedy it ASAP.

Stay tuned...

Brian

------------------------------

Can you say KTMA?  8)
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: Minnesota on January 30, 2008, 09:44:36 AM
sounds a bit like an 'Out of Print' confirmation. get em while you can.
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: Bob on January 30, 2008, 09:46:14 AM
From Shout! Factory:

We were extremely excited to pick this title up.  Shout! Factory is a great home for MST3K and its fans (of which I'm included).  The beauty of it is that I own all 12 of the sets, as well, and, therefore, know EXACTLY what I would like to do differently.  And there's plenty.

But we're still coming down off the high of acquiring the series and are just now beginning to really plan out our schedule.  I can tell you that we're in no way interested in following up the Rhino releases with stuff they've already put out there.  We don't like to double dip, if at all possible.  Secondly, those original episodes have been thrown about the conference table in conversation.  We'd love to find a way to include stuff from that first season, but we can't make any promises.

We're looking into everything.  We're going to have fun with this series.  MST3K has never really been handled the way it should've been.  We know that and we're hoping to remedy it ASAP.

Stay tuned...

Brian

------------------------------

Can you say KTMA?  8)

Wow, sure seems promising!
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: Fuzzy Necromancer on January 30, 2008, 01:32:48 PM
Crivens. And just at the time when I have the least spare cash for hoarding investments at my disposal. =/
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: Fuzzy Necromancer on February 21, 2008, 10:23:09 PM
If this is the case, when will the shout factor releases start and the rhino stuff go out of print?
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: James of LinHood on February 22, 2008, 03:32:07 AM
If this is the case, when will the shout factor releases start and the rhino stuff go out of print?

All we know is that Vol 10.5 is Rhino's last MST3K release.  We have no clue when the older volumes will be going out of print.

But, if you're missing Rhino volumes I'd say now is the time to go out and get them.  The sooner you get them, the less likely you'll have to go to eBay and pay outrageous prices for them due to them being out of print.
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: RVR II on February 23, 2008, 10:33:55 AM
Meh.. Al the episodes are out there on the internet, just not sure of the validity of the rights to them..
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: hare.29 on February 25, 2008, 07:11:58 AM
Yes, but the internet versions are often of poorer quality. Plus, I'm happy to show Rhino/Shout that I'm willing to fork over cash for these things so they'll continue making them.
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: Jazzman99 on February 25, 2008, 07:47:17 AM
You can get fan videos of superb quality these days, but even after I have all of MST3K--which I'm very close to now, thanks to the excellent fan resources--I'll continue buying the official releases, for several reasons:

*They often have nifty bonus material (the Jukeboxes, intros, interviews, etc), and I imagine Shout will do even more in this area than Rhino did.

*It throws some financial support behind the Brains, though I do wish everybody got a cut; there seems to be some confusion about who actually gets money from the official releases.

*The better these sell, the more likely we are to continue getting "spinoffs" like Rifftrax and CT and--it sounds unlikely but anything is possible--perhaps someday an actual revivial of MST itself.
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: FordPrefect on February 26, 2008, 10:54:10 AM
You can get fan videos of superb quality these days, but even after I have all of MST3K--which I'm very close to now, thanks to the excellent fan resources--I'll continue buying the official releases, for several reasons:

*They often have nifty bonus material (the Jukeboxes, intros, interviews, etc), and I imagine Shout will do even more in this area than Rhino did.

*It throws some financial support behind the Brains, though I do wish everybody got a cut; there seems to be some confusion about who actually gets money from the official releases.

*The better these sell, the more likely we are to continue getting "spinoffs" like Rifftrax and CT and--it sounds unlikely but anything is possible--perhaps someday an actual revivial of MST itself.

I agree with your reasons for getting the official releases. As far as who gets money from the MST3K DVDs, I know that Joel, Jim, and anyone who currently works at BBI (like Paul) do. There's a possibility that Trace and Kevin may get some money from them since they were involved in the show's early formation, but we don't know that for sure. Fortunately Rifftrax and Cinematic Titanic exist, so now the fans can support all the other performers that were involved with the show.
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: headlesschocolatebunny on February 27, 2008, 08:08:42 AM

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I agree with your reasons for getting the official releases. As far as who gets money from the MST3K DVDs, I know that Joel, Jim, and anyone who currently works at BBI (like Paul) do. There's a possibility that Trace and Kevin may get some money from them since they were involved in the show's early formation, but we don't know that for sure. Fortunately Rifftrax and Cinematic Titanic exist, so now the fans can support all the other performers that were involved with the show.
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i second that!!
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: yamshark on March 05, 2008, 10:50:08 AM
Yes, but the internet versions are often of poorer quality. Plus, I'm happy to show Rhino/Shout that I'm willing to fork over cash for these things so they'll continue making them.

Yup I agree- those guys bring laughter into my sad British life. Thankyous verrs much those guys  :clap:
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: Nunyerbiz on March 12, 2008, 10:30:39 AM
The "lost" group of KTMA episodes would make for an interesting limited edition box set release... They could make a killing on that one.

In general, I have never had a problem with the Rhino sets or individual DVD / VHS releases. Never had a defective DVD or anything... and I'm a fan of the show for the theater segments... so the behind-the-scenes and various extra stuff might have been lacking... but I never really noticed.

I'm glad that a new company is taking over that can give the show a little more "TLC" with the box sets... but in the big picture, I'm much more interested in what movie rights they can acquire over whatever circa 1991 BBI-produced scraps they can dig up from the tape vault.
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on March 12, 2008, 11:11:14 AM
The "lost" group of KTMA episodes would make for an interesting limited edition box set release... They could make a killing on that one.

1) Best Brains doesn't own the rights to those shows.  KTMA does.  And at present, KTMA is a Christian station - and probably wouldn't want to be associated with them.

2) Nine out of the 21 KTMAs are Sandy Frank films (unless you mean the "lost" ones as meaning the three of which there are no fan copies - of which one of three).  And, if he won't release the rights for the CC episodes....

3) Even if you could get all the others (even the ones with no fan copies available), the time and trouble they would take could get us so many more CC episodes that Rhino kept ignoring.
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: Nunyerbiz on March 12, 2008, 11:33:59 AM
Well.. I was talking about the KTMA episodes that have no fan copies. I was aware of the whole Sandy Frank opposition to granting rights to his movies... but didn't realize that one of the "lost three" was a Frank production. So yea... that shoots a whole in that idea...

I still don't think getting the other two "lost" eps from KTMA would be a huge hurdle though, assuming that BBi and/or Shout Factory thought it was worth throwing some money after..... It would be relatively easy and cheap to remove / obscure any onscreen reference to KTMA from the episodes themselves... And I have a feeling that a small Christian TV station wouldn't turn down good money for the rights to a couple of 20 year old tapes that will never do them any good otherwise. I have to imagine negotiating with the movie copyright holders would be a bigger obstacle than the UHF station.

Personally, I don't care if they ever commercially release the KTMA stuff... I've seen most of the fan traded eps available... and for the most part their main value to me was that of satisfying curiousity. I don't know if I would bother spending money for KTMA content... but I think a two-DVD set with the non-Sandy Frank KTMA lost eps would be a hot seller among the die-hards. (if only for a limited production run at a slightly premium "collectors" price point.)
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: CA20 on March 16, 2008, 01:50:46 PM
Well.. I was talking about the KTMA episodes that have no fan copies. I was aware of the whole Sandy Frank opposition to granting rights to his movies... but didn't realize that one of the "lost three" was a Frank production. So yea... that shoots a whole in that idea...

I don't post here very often, but I think that one of my only other posts said the exact same thing as this one. Sandy Frank doesn't own the rights to any of these movies anymore. Travis over at the MST board researched the rights to all the episodes and put together a list of how likely each episode is to be released (http://forrestcrow.proboards47.com/index.cgi?board=mstchat&action=display&thread=1152828151).
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on March 17, 2008, 08:58:25 AM
Have to correct myself...it's ten out of 21 that are Sandy Frank movies.   Forgot about Legend of the Dinosaur being one of his.
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: Fuzzy Necromancer on March 21, 2008, 08:46:51 PM
I wonder when the first Shout Factory release will come out, and what form it will take.

News? Educated Guesses? Wild Speculations?
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: James of LinHood on March 27, 2008, 06:01:05 AM
I wonder when the first Shout Factory release will come out, and what form it will take.

News? Educated Guesses? Wild Speculations?

Shout Factory will have a booth at this years San Diego Comic-Con.  If they don't announce something by then I'll be disappointed.
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: BEERxTaco on March 27, 2008, 12:34:08 PM
I watched Space Travelers last night for the first time in many years...  and now I know where Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck got her name!  8)
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on March 27, 2008, 12:58:26 PM
I watched Space Travelers last night for the first time in many years...  and now I know where Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck got her name!  8)

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Although I'm jealous that you have Space Travelers.  I almost had a complete DAP copy - and my computer hiccupped or something and the file disappeared from my hard drive.   :'(
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: jetjaguar15 on March 28, 2008, 10:39:47 AM
Shout Factory dropped a hint today in thier forums that Laserblast might be on their first set!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: MrTorso on March 28, 2008, 11:45:24 AM
The main producer Brian also dropped a hint about Space Travelers too.
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: BEERxTaco on March 31, 2008, 11:02:10 AM
I watched Space Travelers last night for the first time in many years...  and now I know where Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck got her name!  8)

(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b4/robotrix/Smileys/thHappyDance-1.gif)(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b4/robotrix/Duckies/ththduck2.gif)(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b4/robotrix/Smileys/thHappyDance-1.gif)

Although I'm jealous that you have Space Travelers.  I almost had a complete DAP copy - and my computer hiccupped or something and the file disappeared from my hard drive.   :'(

The new DAP Torrent Tracker site works great, complete ISO files instead of parts!

http://tracker.dapcentral.org/
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on March 31, 2008, 11:45:14 AM
The main producer Brian also dropped a hint about Space Travelers too.

Hmmm....so since Columbia Pictures reclaimed Marooned and it's not PD anymore, they'll have to pay them for rights.

And since they'll need to use the Film Ventures International version - which has Demer's music - they'll have to pay them, too.

As much as I want this episode, I get the feeling that we might have our first $30 single disc with this one.   :o

The new DAP Torrent Tracker site works great, complete ISO files instead of parts!

Yeah...until you get about 93% of the file and no one with an 100% file gets online to seed you....and while you're waiting forever the thing disappears off your computer for no reason you can figure out.   :'(

It sucks.
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: MrTorso on March 31, 2008, 03:59:56 PM
I just wish they had samples of the quality. I wasted a lot of time downloaded a couple of the newest daps only to be greeted with horrible audio. I mean they have really bad tape noise.
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: eegah on March 31, 2008, 09:40:32 PM
I just wish they had samples of the quality. I wasted a lot of time downloaded a couple of the newest daps only to be greeted with horrible audio. I mean they have really bad tape noise.

The DAP of Village of the Giants was pretty bad, but I didn't have a problem with any others. However, I haven't downloaded 401 or 524 yet. Were those the ones you're talking about?
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on April 01, 2008, 08:15:58 AM
I just wish they had samples of the quality. I wasted a lot of time downloaded a couple of the newest daps only to be greeted with horrible audio. I mean they have really bad tape noise.
Trade you a Master Ninja II that you can barely hear....   ::)
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: Wiseblood on April 01, 2008, 01:38:25 PM
The DAP of Village of the Giants was pretty bad, but I didn't have a problem with any others. However, I haven't downloaded 401 or 524 yet. Were those the ones you're talking about?

Did they ever release a fixed version of Village of the Giants?

I couldn't stand to watch it with that horrible whine.   On advice from one of the DAP commenters I took the audio from the AVI version and replaced the DVD audio track.  It surprisingly synced up perfectly.
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: Ortega on April 01, 2008, 04:07:17 PM
the audio on the new DAP release (524) has a bit if a tape hiss.  I ran it through an audio editor and it fixed it a bit....
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: BathTub on April 01, 2008, 06:46:17 PM
I haven't seen the last few releases yet, so I can't comment directly but what I can say is that a large part of the reason things have slowed down is that all the easy stuff has been done. They are limited to the lesser quality sources now for the most part.
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: MrTorso on April 01, 2008, 11:10:58 PM
I just wish they had samples of the quality. I wasted a lot of time downloaded a couple of the newest daps only to be greeted with horrible audio. I mean they have really bad tape noise.

The DAP of Village of the Giants was pretty bad, but I didn't have a problem with any others. However, I haven't downloaded 401 or 524 yet. Were those the ones you're talking about?

401 - Space Travelers - Has a lot of hiss.
523 - Village of the Giants : horrible whine/buzz throughout doubt I can fix the audio.
524 - !2 to the Moon - loads of hiss and pops.
605 - Colossus and the Head Hunters - low level hiss
705 - Escape 2000 - low level hiss video quality is a bit low.
809 - I was A Teenage Werewolf - Pretty good.

Those are all the ones I grabbed this week off the torrent tracker.

Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: BEERxTaco on April 02, 2008, 08:55:03 AM
I sent Tarantulas a ton of tapes, maybe he'll get some encoded one of these days...
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: MrTorso on April 02, 2008, 09:42:50 AM
Hindsight is 20/20. I have a ton of SP tapes with loads of season 3 and 4 and up. Unfortunately I used tapes that suck and they don't make good dvds. They are degrading pretty bad. If i can find a working BETA player I have a ton of season 2 and 3 on BETA tapes that should make some good dvds.
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on April 02, 2008, 12:48:01 PM
I haven't seen the last few releases yet, so I can't comment directly but what I can say is that a large part of the reason things have slowed down is that all the easy stuff has been done. They are limited to the lesser quality sources now for the most part.
Who?  DAP or Shout! Factory?
Title: Re: Rhino no more?
Post by: MrTorso on April 02, 2008, 12:56:24 PM
DAP!