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Title: The Rifftrax Playoffs!
Post by: mrbasehart on November 07, 2006, 06:14:01 PM

Ok, here's the idea:  Instead of numerous smaller requests for rifftrax, the forum come to a consensus over what film they would like riffed in the near future.  Perhaps if a majority consesus were to reached, the mighty Nelson and Murphy may take heed.  But how do we go about such a monumental task?  How about...

The Ultimate Rifftrax Playoffs!?

Basically, through a series of polls, we match films against one another in terms of genre, era, or actor; the top choice goes through to the next round and so on and so forth, until we reach one movie...one final movie, standing high and proud declaring that it wants to utterly ruined by the riffmasters. 

I think we can dismiss trax that have been hinted at by Mike and Kevin (e.g. Lord of the Rings, Coyote Ugly) as it seems we'll be getting those, so we can look at films that perhaps aren't being considered. 

What do people think?  It'll probably take most of the board to implement and agree with this, as I doubt 20 people deciding on a rifftrax won't carry too much weight.
Title: Re: The Rifftrax Playoffs!
Post by: Variety of Cells on November 07, 2006, 06:38:37 PM
20 might be all you get my friend.  However nice of a board this may be, that doesn't mean we agree.  Also, this might take the wind out of the sails of the small requests.  By narrowing it down to one sacrificial lamb to be riffed apart, the rest of the lambs will be left out.

Also, as I recall, there was once a great gathering of support for one director to be riffed.  Back in the day, just about every forum member was in support of an Uwe Boll Rifftrax.  There was not one post of dissent.  So we sat and waited in hopes of having our dreams made true, until some one pointed out that Uwe Boll films don't fit in the Rifftrax criteria, they just weren't accessible enough.

What I'm trying to say is, be careful what you wish for, because you just might not get it.  If you narrow it down to one movie but it's something Mike doesn't want to do, then you're arms are going to fall off from raising that lamb up to the sun all day.

That being said, I'll get behind a movie if it's one I would like to see riffed. 
Title: Re: The Rifftrax Playoffs!
Post by: MontyServo on November 07, 2006, 08:34:01 PM
That being said, I'll get behind a movie if it's one I would like to see riffed. 

That's where you and I disagree.  I would wholeheartedly support this concept.  And even if the eventual decided upon film is something I personally don't care to see riffed, I would still get behind it because it would be the Roundtable's choice.

I hope MrBasehart follows through and puts together a tournament bracket and everything.  How would we decide which films to put in the tourney??  Perhaps we let each member here pick one title, then whittle it down from there.

Title: Re: The Rifftrax Playoffs!
Post by: Variety of Cells on November 07, 2006, 09:28:20 PM
That being said, I'll get behind a movie if it's one I would like to see riffed. 

That's where you and I disagree.  I would wholeheartedly support this concept.  And even if the eventual decided upon film is something I personally don't care to see riffed, I would still get behind it because it would be the Roundtable's choice.

I hope MrBasehart follows through and puts together a tournament bracket and everything.  How would we decide which films to put in the tourney??  Perhaps we let each member here pick one title, then whittle it down from there.


I don't think it's that line where we disagree.  That is the line that said if the Riff Playoffs are implemented I would participate.

If each member gets to pick one movie, we'd have about 500 movies if you only count the members that have posted.  That isn't realistic.  I'm sure there is a better way.

At first I though a good way would be to just make one huge poll of all the movies mentioned, but that would be daunting.  However, if you break it up by genre and theme are you doing anything more than what the polls on the front page do?  The polls would have to be substantially different from the front page polls, but still manageable.

If a system can be developed it's not a bad idea, and it could work.  But my fear is that everyone's votes are going to be wasted on something like Troll 2, something Mike will not riff.  It seems very popular amongst some, so there's a good chance it will be chosen.  And if it is, then all this polling and choosing and work will be for naught because it's not Rifftrax material. 
Title: Re: The Rifftrax Playoffs!
Post by: mrbasehart on November 08, 2006, 04:59:43 AM
My first thoughts in how to proceed with choosing films that we nominate are to use films that Mike would consider.  I think we all have a decent understanding of the guidelines the Mike is using at the moment.  I think one giant poll represents too many immediate choices and so the winning film might really only get 3 or 4 votes.  A series of polls would help the community refine its choice to something that perhaps would stand a reasonable chance of being riffed. 

I think the only way to start with the polls is to first define some rules: i.e. That the films we choose are less than 30 years old; that the films are widely available on DVD to all regions, etc.  If we're able to define our poll by the same guidelines that Mike seems to choose his, then I think we might able to make a good case for it's eventual riffing. 

And hell, it might be fun!   ;D

 
Title: Re: The Rifftrax Playoffs!
Post by: AmandaGal on November 08, 2006, 05:57:34 AM
I think the best way to do this, that would be all in fun of course, would be to get about 20 possible films and do like a basketball playoff chart with them.  Like "What Lies Beneath Vs Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom" and then "Dirty Dancing" vs "Footloose" and then pit the winners of those 20 contests against each other to see who wins.  This is what the original poster was getting at, I'm sure.

The winner may not end up being the cheesiest movie of all time but it would be the one the majority thought was.  It would take some time this way but I think you'd get a better idea of the majority than if you listed all 20 films in a "poll."  Besides, it would give the board something to discuss every week (the pros and cons of the two "riff off" contestants). 

I think in this setup, genre doesn't really matter.  You're going to have pick a winner in the end anyway so you might as well suck it up now.  The mini-playoffs could be between genres (ie: 8 of the twenty films are comedies and you pit all those together and get a winner and then pit it against the drama winner) if you like, but I'd like to see an overall winner too.  You could even run several mini-playoffs at the same time.

20 would take forever but you could do a more workable number.  People do this with video game characters on GameSpot and it works (even though some people are passionate about their anime...scarily passionate).  I guess 20 wouldn't be so bad if you ran a few simultaneously, now that I think about it.

Title: Re: The Rifftrax Playoffs!
Post by: Cap'n UKRiffer on November 08, 2006, 06:01:40 AM
And hell, it might be fun!   ;D 

And thats the most important thing, it's just a bit of fun so why not try it... wouldn't do any harm... unless someone has an allergy to polls, of course
Title: Re: The Rifftrax Playoffs!
Post by: SmilinJackRoss on November 08, 2006, 09:39:04 AM
AmandaGal has the right idea.  We should set this up like a bracket tournament, having a poll for only two movies at a time.  The work would be picking what movies to put up, but I think you could make a list from the other threads and go through them and pick the ones that you think should be included.  I'll vote!
Title: Re: The Rifftrax Playoffs!
Post by: Pak-Man on November 08, 2006, 09:59:29 AM
If someone wanted to show REAL commitment, they could filter through the old movie suggestions thread and find out which movies were suggested most often and then stick those in the brackets.  :^)

I, of course, have no such commitment, but I'd love to find out the results of this thing. :^)
Title: Re: The Rifftrax Playoffs!
Post by: Sharktopus on November 08, 2006, 11:03:17 AM
Playoff brackets make everything more fun. Hell, it's the only reason anyone gives a crap about college basketball.
Title: Re: The Rifftrax Playoffs!
Post by: dignan on November 08, 2006, 03:25:56 PM
I'd vote!  Sounds like a pretty fun idea. 
Title: Re: The Rifftrax Playoffs!
Post by: mrbasehart on November 08, 2006, 05:14:57 PM
I think the best way to do this, that would be all in fun of course, would be to get about 20 possible films and do like a basketball playoff chart with them.  Like "What Lies Beneath Vs Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom" and then "Dirty Dancing" vs "Footloose" and then pit the winners of those 20 contests against each other to see who wins.  This is what the original poster was getting at, I'm sure.

Exactly.  I was thinking perhaps more films at the beginning of the poll, but it might possibly become a bit unwieldy.

If someone wanted to show REAL commitment, they could filter through the old movie suggestions thread and find out which movies were suggested most often and then stick those in the brackets.

I will.  Give me a day or so...
Title: Re: The Rifftrax Playoffs!
Post by: AmandaGal on November 08, 2006, 05:53:46 PM
If you need help, I can help but I'm not going to volunteer to go through the whole board by myself.  I don't like you guys THAT much  :)
Title: Re: The Rifftrax Playoffs!
Post by: mrbasehart on November 08, 2006, 08:43:05 PM
This is going to be an extremely long post....   ;D

I've gone through the entire old suggestions thread and made a count of the movies suggested.  I've ignored people who said things like "the entire Steven Seagal filmography" 'cause that's just nuts and concentrated on people who've singled out movies that they'd like to be riffed.  I even used a database sheet in Word and everything! 

Oh, in case you didn't feel like counting, there are 516 movies in this list and the numbers that accompany them are the amount of times they were "voted" for.  *deep breath*

11:14   
12 Monkeys   
15 Minutes   
Abraxas   
Absolon   
Abyss, The   
Adventures of Robin Hood   
A.I.   2
Akira   
Alien vs Predator   2
Alone in the Dark   
Along Came Polly   
Always   
American Flyers   
American Ninja   2
American Tale, An   
Amityville Horror (REMAKE)   2
Amityville Horror III   
Anaconda   2
Andromeda Strain   
Any Which Way But Loose   
Apocalypse Now   
Apple, The   
Armageddon   7
Arrival   
Avengers   
Baby's Day Out   
Barbarella   
Basic Instinct   2
Basic Instinct 2   
Basket Case   
Batman (BURTON)   
Batman: The Movie   
Batman & Robin   14
Batman Begins   
Batman Forever   2
Batman Returns   
Battle Beyond the Stars   
Battlefield Earth   9
Battle Royale   
Beaches   2
Beastmaster   4
Beastmaster II   
Bewitched   
Beyond the Law   
Beyond the Poseidon Adventure   
Beyond the Valley of the Dolls   
Big   
Big Trouble in Little China   3
Blackbeard's Ghost   
Bladerunner   
Blair Witch Project, The   2
Bloodhook   
Bloodrayne   4
Bloodsport   3
Blue Lagoon   
Blues Brothers, The   
Blue Thunder   
Body Slam   
Bonfire of the Vanities   
Boy in the Plastic Bubble   
Brainstorm   
Bram Stoker's Dracula   
Bridges of Madison County   
Brothers Grimm, The   
Buffy the Vampire Slayer   
Bugsy Malone   
Butterfly Effect   
Cabin Fever   2
Cane Toads: A Natural History   
Cannonball Run   
Cannonball Run II   
Cape Fear (NEW)   
Capote   2
Caravan of Courage   2
Career Opportunities   2
Casablanca   
Catwoman   
Cave, The   
Cell, The   
Charlie's Angels   
Charlie's Angels II   
Citizen Kane   5
Cleopatra   
Clerks   2
Cliffhanger   
Clockwork Orange, A   
Clones of Bruce Lee   
Cobra   
Commando   3
Conan The Barbarian   3
Congo   
Conspiracy Theory   
Cool as Ice   
Contact   2
Core, The   5
Covenant   
Craft, The   
Crash   
Creating Rem Lezar   
Creepshow 2   
Crocodile Hunter: Collision Course   4
Crossworlds   
Crow, The : Wicked Prayer   
Cutthroat Island   
Damnation Alley   
Daredevil   6
Dark City   2
Dark Crystal   
Darkness Falls   
Da Vinci Code, The   
Dawn of the Dead (Original)   2
Day After Tomorrow, The   5
Day the Earth Stood Still, The   
Days of Thunder   
Dead Zone, The   
Debbie Does Dallas   
Deep Impact   2
Deep Blue Sea   2
Deliverance   
Demolition Man   
Demon Seed   
Dennis the Menace   
Devil's Advocate   
Dick Tracy   4
Die Another Day   3
Dirty Dancing   3
Dollar for the Dead   
Donnie Darko   3
Doom   3
Double Dragon   2
Dracula 3000   
Dreamcatcher   2
Dreamscape   2
Driven   2
Duel in the Sun   
Dune   
Dungeons & Dragons   3
Eight Legged Freaks   
Elektra   2
End of Days   
English Patient, The   
Equilibrium   2
Eraserhead   
Escape from New York   
E.T.   3
Event Horizon   2
Exit Wounds   
Exorcist II   
Face/Off   
Fantastic Four   
Fast and the Furious   4
Fear dot com   
Femme Fatale   
Few Good Men, A   2
Fight Club   
Final Fantasy: Spirits Within   
Firefox   
Flashdance   
Flash Gordon   
Flight of the Navigator   3
Fog, The (NEW)   2
Footloose   2
Forrest Gump   
For Whom the Bell Tolls   
For You Height Only   
Frankenfish   
Frankenstein (DE NIRO)   
Freddy vs Jason   
Free Willy   
Friday the 13th   
Friday the 13th : Part III   
Friday the 13th : Part VIII   2
From Dusk Till Dawn   
From Justin to Kelly   
Funny Lady   
Future War   
Gandhi   
Gauntlet, The   
Ghost in the Shell   
Ghosts of Mars   
Gigli   5
Gladiator   7
Glitter   
Glen or Glenda?   2
Gnome Named Gnorm, A   
Godfather, The   
Godfather III   2
Godzilla (AMERICAN)   5
Godzilla vs Monster Zero   
Gojira   
Goldeneye   
Gone with the Wind   
Goonies, The   
Gothika   
Gymkata   2
Hackers   3
Halloween III: Season of the Witch   
Hannibal   
Harley Davidson & the Marlborough Man   2
Hellraiser   
Highlander   2
Highlander II   2
Hobbit, The   
Hollow Man   
Hollywood Homicide   
Hook   
Hostage   
Hours, The   
House   
House II   
House of the Dead   
Howard the Duck   2
Howl's Moving Castle   
Hudson Hawk   
Hulk, The   3
Ichi the Killer   
I Know What You Did Last Summer   
Imitation of Life   
Incredibles, The   
Incubus   2
Independence Day   8
Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom   
Into the Blue   3
InuYasha: Affections Touching Across Time   
Iron Eagle   
Island, The   
I Spit on Your Grave   
It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad, World   
It's a Wonderful Life   
It's Pat!   
Jackass: The Movie   
Jason X   2
Jaws: The Revenge   3
Jeremiah Johnson   
Jersey Girl   
Jesus Christ: Vampire Hunter   
Jingle All The Way   2
Johnny Mnemonic   4
Josie & the Pussycats   
Joysticks   
Judge Dredd   8
Jurassic Park   3
Jurassic Park II   4
Jurassic Park III   4
Karate Kid, The   
Kart Racer   6
Killer Klowns from Outer Space   
Kindergarten Cop   2
Knight's Tale, A   
Knock-Off   2
Kull the Conqueror   2
Krull   2
Lady in the Water   
Lair of the White Worm   
Langoliers, The   
Last Action Hero   3
Last Boy Scout, The   
Last Dragon   3
Last House on the Left   
Lathe of Heaven, The   
Lawnmowerman   
Legend   2
Leonard: Part 6   
Leprechaun   2
Leprechaun: In the Hood   
Live and Let Die   
Living Daylights   
Logan's Run   4
Lord of the Rings: Animated   5
Lost Boys, The   2
Lost in Space   5
Love Story   2
Mac and Me   
Mad Max   
Mad Max III: Beyond Thunderdome   
Mannequin   4
Master of Disguise   
Masters of the Universe   3
Matrix Revolutions   2
Maximum Overdrive   5
Mazes & Monsters   
Mean Guns   
Medallion, The   
Meet Joe Black   2
Mighty Ducks, The   
Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers   2
Minority Report   2
Mission Impossible 2   
Mission Impossible 3   
Mission to Mars   2
Mr & Mrs Smith   
Mr Nanny   
MST3K: The Movie   3
Monkey Shines   2
Moonraker   
Most Wanted   
Moulin Rouge   
Mummy, The (NEW)   2
Mummy Returns, The   
My Best Friend's Wedding   
My Dinner with Andre   
Never Ending Story   
Never Ending Story III   2
Never Say Never Again   
New Barbarians   
Nightmare on Elm Street   
Night of the Lepus   
Ninja III: The Domination   
No Contest   
No Holds Barred   3
North   2
Notorious   
Omega Code   2
Omega Doom   
Omega Man   4
Orca   
Out for Justice   
Over the Top   3
Paint Your Wagon   
Patch Adams   
Patriot, The   
Payback   
Pearl Harbour   2
Pee-Wee's Big Adventure   3
People Under the Stairs, The   
Perfect Storm, The   
Peyton Place   
Phantasm   
Phantom, The   
Phantom of the Opera (SCHUMACHER)   2
Phantoms   
Phonebooth   
Pirates of the Caribbean   
Planes, Trains, & Automobiles   
Planet of the Apes (HESTON)   2
Planet of the Apes (BURTON)   2
Planet of the Dinosaurs   2
Pocahontas   
Police Academy 5: Assignment Miami Beach   
Poltergeist   2
Pop Star   
Postman, The   2
Powder   
Predator   3
Pretty Woman   
Pride & Prejudice   
Prince of Darkness   4
Prince of Tides   
Prophecy, The   
Purple Rain   3
Quick and the Dead, The   
Rabbit Test   
Rad   
Rambo   
Ratboy   
Rat Race   
Red Dawn   6
Red Eye   2
Red Planet   
Reign of Fire   
Reptilicus   
Resident Evil   
Return of the Dragon   
Return to Me   
Revenge of the Nerds   
Ring, The   2
Robin Hood: PoT   3
Robot Jox   3
Rock, The   
Rock & Rule   
Rocky 4   3
Rocky 5   
Rocky Horror Picture Show   
Rollerball (REMAKE)   4
Rosemary's Baby   3
Runaway   
Running Man   3
Rush Hour   
Rush Hour II   
Saint, The   3
St. Elmo's Fire   
Santa Claus: The Movie   
Seabiscuit   2
Secret of My Success   
Sidekicks   
Siege of Firebase Gloria, The   
Score, The   
Screamers   
Serenity   
Shadow, The   2
Shaft (ORIGINAL)   
Shakespeare in Love   
Shanghai Knights   
Shanghai Surprise   2
Shocker   
Short Circuit II   
Showgirls   3
Shriek If You Know What I Did Last Friday the 13th   
Silence of the Lambs   
Sin City   
Sixth Day, The   
Skeeter   
Skidoo   
Sky Captain & the World of Tomorrow   2
Slingblade   
Smokey & the Bandit III   
Snake Eyes   
Snakes on a Plane   
Sound of Thunder, A   2
Soylent Green   
Space Camp   
Spartacus   
Spawn   
Species   
Speed   3
Speed 2   3
Spice World   
Spider-Man   
Stargate   2
Starship Troopers   3
Starship Troopers II   
Star Trek: Insurrection   
Star Trek: Generations   
Star Trek: The Motion Picture   2
Star Wars: Attack of the Clones   
Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith   
Star Wars: Holiday Special   2
Steel Magnolias   
Stone Cold   
Stop! Or My Mom Will Shoot!   
Streetfighter : The Movie   3
Striptease   2
Summer Place, A   
Super Fuzz   3
Supergirl   
Superman III   3
Superman IV   3
Superman Returns   
Super Mario Bros   7
Surviving the Game   
Swarm   
Tango & Cash   5
Tank Girl   
TMNT   
Ten Commandments, The   2
Terminator   
Terminator 2   2
Terminator 3   2
Texas Chainsaw Massacre: TNG   2
They Live!   2
Thing, The   2
Three Amigos, The   
Three Ninjas   
THX-1138   2
Ticker   
Timecop   3
Timeline   
Time Machine (REMAKE)   2
Titanic   2
Tomb Raider   
Total Eclipse   
Total Recall   6
Towering Inferno   
Toys   2
Trainspotting   2
Transformers: The Movie   
Traxx   2
Tremors   2
Troll   
Troll 2   5
Tron   4
Troy   2
True Lies   
Truman Show, The   
Turbo: A Power Rangers Movie   
Twister   
Ultraviolet   2
Unforgiven   
Universal Soldier   
Urban Legends   
Valentine   
Vampire Assassin   
Vampiyaz   
Van Helsing   3
V for Vendetta   
Village, The   2
Volcano   2
View to a Kill, A   4
Wall Street   2
WarGames   3
War of the Worlds (REMAKE)   2
Warriors, The   2
Waterworld   2
Waxworks   3
Waxworks II   
Weird Science   
What Lies Beneath   
When a Man Loves a Woman   
When a Stranger Calls (REMAKE)   2
Wild at Heart   
Wild Wild West   4
Willow   
Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory   4
Wing Commander   
Witness   
Wizard, The   4
Wizard of Oz, The   2
Wizards   2
Wrong Turn   
Xanadu   3
X-Files, The Movie   7
X-Men 3   2
You Got Served   
You've Got Mail   
Zardoz   3
Title: Re: The Rifftrax Playoffs!
Post by: Sharktopus on November 08, 2006, 08:50:52 PM
Holy crap! Somebody buy this man a pint.

I notice a strong score for my very first suggestion - The X-Files Movie.
Title: Re: The Rifftrax Playoffs!
Post by: mrbasehart on November 08, 2006, 08:53:35 PM
Oh, and Batman & Robin had the most votes.   ;D
Title: Re: The Rifftrax Playoffs!
Post by: SmilinJackRoss on November 08, 2006, 10:25:29 PM
mrbasehart, you are dedicated.  Well done.  Now, we have to whittle down this list drastically.  Like you said originally, only including movies made in the past 30 years that are readily available on DVD should chop this down some.  But that's still a big list....
Title: Re: The Rifftrax Playoffs!
Post by: Pak-Man on November 08, 2006, 11:28:19 PM
Mrbaseheart, I nominate you with all my official power (That would be none at all) for fan of the month for putting this list together. :^)
Title: Re: The Rifftrax Playoffs!
Post by: mrbasehart on November 09, 2006, 04:52:13 AM
mrbasehart, you are dedicated.  Well done.  Now, we have to whittle down this list drastically.  Like you said originally, only including movies made in the past 30 years that are readily available on DVD should chop this down some.  But that's still a big list....

Okay.  I've gone through the list, and removed films that have only been nominated once, that are inappropriate (in terms of age or subject matter) and that are not widely available on DVD.  We have 163 movies left.   :) 

Shall I post the list?
Title: Re: The Rifftrax Playoffs!
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on November 09, 2006, 07:25:44 AM
Once the final list of films is available, we can then break it down by genre, mabye. Then, the films in each genre can compete for top spot, then each genre can compete. This is turning out to be a fun game.

Well done, mrbasehart!!!

 ;D
Title: Re: The Rifftrax Playoffs!
Post by: Rufus T on November 09, 2006, 07:53:22 AM
I shall do all that I can to help. You have my sword. And my ax.
Title: Re: The Rifftrax Playoffs!
Post by: mrbasehart on November 09, 2006, 07:57:38 AM
I shall do all that I can to help. You have my sword. And my ax.

The Fellowship of the Roundtable? Or are we mixing myths...?
Title: Re: The Rifftrax Playoffs!
Post by: Cap'n UKRiffer on November 09, 2006, 08:18:43 AM
I shall do all that I can to help. You have my sword. And my ax.

i got a Happy Hippo and half a bag of Quavers... not as impressive as a sword or ax, i know
Title: Re: The Rifftrax Playoffs!
Post by: mrbasehart on November 09, 2006, 08:26:52 AM
OK.  Here's the amended list.  Please make your case for any ones that should be struck off before we seriously start debating them.

A.I.
Alien vs Predator
American Ninja
Amityville Horror (REMAKE)
Anaconda
Armageddon
Batman & Robin
Batman Forever
Battlefield Earth
Beastmaster
Big Trouble in Little China
Blair Witch Project, The
Bloodrayne
Bloodsport
Cabin Fever
Capote
Caravan of Courage
Career Opportunities
Commando
Conan The Barbarian
Contact
Core, The
Daredevil
Dark City
Day After Tomorrow, The
Deep Impact
Deep Blue Sea
Dick Tracy
Die Another Day
Dirty Dancing
Donnie Darko
Doom
Double Dragon
Dreamcatcher
Dreamscape
Driven
Dungeons & Dragons
Elektra
Equilibrium
E.T.
Event Horizon
Fast and the Furious
Few Good Men, A
Flight of the Navigator
Fog, The (NEW)
Footloose
Friday the 13th : Part VIII
Gigli
Gladiator
Godfather III
Godzilla (AMERICAN)
Hackers
Harley Davidson & the Marlborough Man
Highlander
Highlander II
Howard the Duck
Hulk, The
Independence Day
Into the Blue
Jaws: The Revenge
Jingle All The Way
Johnny Mnemonic
Judge Dredd
Jurassic Park
Jurassic Park II
Jurassic Park III
Kindergarten Cop
Knock-Off
Kull the Conqueror
Krull
Last Action Hero
Last Dragon
Legend
Leprechaun
Logan's Run
Lord of the Rings: Animated
Lost Boys, The
Lost in Space
Mannequin
Masters of the Universe
Matrix Revolutions
Maximum Overdrive
Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers
Minority Report
Mission to Mars
Monkey Shines
Mummy, The (NEW)
Never Ending Story III
North
Omega Man
Pearl Harbour
Pee-Wee's Big Adventure
Phantom of the Opera (SCHUMACHER)
Planet of the Apes (HESTON)
Planet of the Apes (BURTON)
Poltergeist
Postman, The
Predator
Prince of Darkness
Purple Rain
Red Dawn
Red Eye
Ring, The
Robin Hood: PoT
Rocky 4
Rollerball (REMAKE)
Rosemary's Baby
Running Man
Saint, The
Seabiscuit
Shadow, The
Shanghai Surprise
Showgirls
Sky Captain & the World of Tomorrow
Sound of Thunder, A
Speed
Speed 2
Stargate
Starship Troopers
Star Trek: The Motion Picture
Streetfighter : The Movie
Super Fuzz
Superman III
Superman IV
Super Mario Bros
Tango & Cash
Terminator 2
Terminator 3
Texas Chainsaw Massacre: TNG
They Live!
Thing, The
THX-1138
Timecop
Time Machine (REMAKE)
Titanic
Total Recall
Toys
Trainspotting
Tremors
Troll 2
Tron
Troy
Ultraviolet
Van Helsing
Village, The
Volcano
View to a Kill, A
Wall Street
WarGames
War of the Worlds (REMAKE)
Warriors, The
Waterworld
Waxworks
When a Stranger Calls (REMAKE)
Wild Wild West
Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory
Wizard, The
Wizard of Oz, The
Wizards
Xanadu
X-Files, The Movie
X-Men 3
Zardoz
Title: Re: The Rifftrax Playoffs!
Post by: BBQ Platypus on November 09, 2006, 08:45:53 AM
Well, here are the ones that I think, for whatever reason, shouldn't get riffed (i.e. too good, too bad, too obscure, not enough interest, etc.):

American Ninja
Beastmaster
Big Trouble in Little China
Bloodrayne
Bloodsport
Cabin Fever
Capote
Caravan of Courage
Career Opportunities
Dark City
Donnie Darko
Equilibrium
Gigli - (not even Mike, Kevin, & Bill all together could make this one watchable)
Hackers
Harley Davidson & the Marlborough Man
Knock-Off
Kull the Conqueror
Krull
Logan's Run
Lord of the Rings: Animated (too long)
Mannequin
Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers
Mission to Mars (boring)
Monkey Shines
North
Omega Man
Pee-Wee's Big Adventure
Robin Hood: PoT
Saint, The
Sound of Thunder, A
Super Fuzz
Super Mario Bros (Ugh......)
Tango & Cash
THX-1138
Tremors
Troll 2 (Sorry, guys - it's hilariously terrible, but it's just not right for Rifftrax)
Wall Street
Wizard, The
Wizard of Oz, The
Wizards
Zardoz
Title: Re: The Rifftrax Playoffs!
Post by: Cap'n UKRiffer on November 09, 2006, 08:57:07 AM
OK.  Here's the amended list.  Please make your case for any ones that should be struck off before we seriously start debating them.

Ok i just did a quick search using Play.Com so i'm not saying it;s right but as far as i can tell all these below titles aren't avaiable in Region 2. If someone knows otherwise please let me know and i'll amend the list but i recommened these be struck off due to us (Region 2 guys) not having access to them. It should be a fair and level playing field for all.

Beastmaster
Bloodrayne
Bloodsport
Career Opportunities
Dreamscape
Howard the Duck (think this is oop in Region 1 as well)
Kull the Conqueror
Logan's Run
Never Ending Story III
North
Pee-Wee's Big Adventure
Shanghai Surprise
Super Fuzz
Super Mario Bros
Wizard, The
Wizards

EDIT: Just went through each of the above titles in another region 2 website with no hits so looks like they are definatly not avaibale over here.
Title: Re: The Rifftrax Playoffs!
Post by: mrbasehart on November 09, 2006, 09:37:47 AM
OK.  Here's the amended list.  Please make your case for any ones that should be struck off before we seriously start debating them.

Ok i just did a quick search using Play.Com so i'm not saying it;s right but as far as i can tell all these below titles aren't avaiable in Region 2. If someone knows otherwise please let me know and i'll amend the list but i recommened these be struck off due to us (Region 2 guys) not having access to them. It should be a fair and level playing field for all.

EDIT: Just went through each of the above titles in another region 2 website with no hits so looks like they are definatly not avaibale over here.

That's a good start, I did see Shanghai Surprise recently on DVD (region 2) however.  But if they're not showing on some websites, perhaps we can disclude them from the list as being too obscure.
Title: Re: The Rifftrax Playoffs!
Post by: Cap'n UKRiffer on November 09, 2006, 10:01:14 AM
That's a good start, I did see Shanghai Surprise recently on DVD (region 2) however.  But if they're not showing on some websites, perhaps we can disclude them from the list as being too obscure.

It was on Play but not for sale which leads me to believe it might be out of print.
Title: Re: The Rifftrax Playoffs!
Post by: Cap'n UKRiffer on November 09, 2006, 10:38:10 AM
Anything else to whittle down the movies?

Remove the more obscure ones?

mrbasehart, how many you actually looking at getting it down to anyway?
Title: Re: The Rifftrax Playoffs!
Post by: robertraur on November 09, 2006, 11:12:01 AM
Anything else to whittle down the movies?

Remove the more obscure ones?


If I understand this right, you may want to consider a bracket system to eliminate movies by doing some head-to-head voting.  This will cut the choices down to either 32 or 64.  Here is what I believe should be on this list of 32 (feel free to add/subtract):

Armageddon
Batman & Robin
Battlefield Earth
Blair Witch Project, The   
Deep Blue Sea 
Dirty Dancing
Donnie Darko   
Dungeons & Dragons
Fast and the Furious
Footloose
Gigli
Gladiator
Godzilla (AMERICAN)
Hackers   
Independence Day
Jingle All The Way
Jurassic Park   
Legend
Leprechaun
Lost Boys, The 
Purple Rain
Red Dawn 
Showgirls 
Starship Troopers 
Super Mario Bros
Titanic
Total Recall
Troll 2
Village, The
Waterworld
Wild Wild West
Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory
Title: Re: The Rifftrax Playoffs!
Post by: mrbasehart on November 09, 2006, 05:12:17 PM
The individual suggestions are good, but I don't want the list to represent one person's thinking, otherwise it's not a forum choice.  I'll remove the OOP DVD's and see what we're left with.

OK.  I've removed the OOP ones and we're left with 145 titles.  Perhaps we should look at removing titles that are a bit too similar to previous rifftrax...?

Here's the amended list:


A.I.
Alien vs Predator
American Ninja
Amityville Horror (REMAKE)
Anaconda
Armageddon
Batman & Robin
Batman Forever
Battlefield Earth
Big Trouble in Little China
Blair Witch Project, The
Cabin Fever
Capote
Caravan of Courage
Commando
Conan The Barbarian
Contact
Core, The
Daredevil
Dark City
Day After Tomorrow, The
Deep Impact
Deep Blue Sea
Dick Tracy
Die Another Day
Dirty Dancing
Donnie Darko
Doom
Double Dragon
Dreamcatcher
Driven
Dungeons & Dragons
Elektra
Equilibrium
E.T.
Event Horizon
Fast and the Furious
Few Good Men, A
Flight of the Navigator
Fog, The (NEW)
Footloose
Friday the 13th : Part VIII
Gigli
Gladiator
Godfather III
Godzilla (AMERICAN)
Hackers
Harley Davidson & the Marlborough Man
Highlander
Highlander II
Hulk, The
Independence Day
Into the Blue
Jaws: The Revenge
Jingle All The Way
Johnny Mnemonic
Judge Dredd
Jurassic Park
Jurassic Park II
Jurassic Park III
Kindergarten Cop
Knock-Off
Krull
Last Action Hero
Last Dragon
Legend
Leprechaun
Lost Boys, The
Lost in Space
Mannequin
Masters of the Universe
Matrix Revolutions
Maximum Overdrive
Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers
Minority Report
Mission to Mars
Monkey Shines
Mummy, The (NEW)
Omega Man
Pearl Harbour
Phantom of the Opera (SCHUMACHER)
Planet of the Apes (HESTON)
Planet of the Apes (BURTON)
Poltergeist
Postman, The
Predator
Prince of Darkness
Purple Rain
Red Dawn
Red Eye
Ring, The
Robin Hood: PoT
Rocky 4
Rollerball (REMAKE)
Rosemary's Baby
Running Man
Saint, The
Seabiscuit
Shadow, The
Sky Captain & the World of Tomorrow
Sound of Thunder, A
Speed
Speed 2
Stargate
Starship Troopers
Star Trek: The Motion Picture
Streetfighter : The Movie
Superman III
Superman IV
Tango & Cash
Terminator 2
Terminator 3
Texas Chainsaw Massacre: TNG
They Live!
Thing, The
THX-1138
Timecop
Time Machine (REMAKE)
Titanic
Total Recall
Toys
Trainspotting
Tremors
Troll 2
Tron
Troy
Ultraviolet
Van Helsing
Village, The
Volcano
View to a Kill, A
Wall Street
WarGames
War of the Worlds (REMAKE)
Warriors, The
Waterworld
Waxworks
When a Stranger Calls (REMAKE)
Wild Wild West
Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory
Wizard of Oz, The
Xanadu
X-Files, The Movie
X-Men 3
Zardoz

Title: Re: The Rifftrax Playoffs!
Post by: Pak-Man on November 09, 2006, 05:24:24 PM
If they're similar to previous rifftrax, they've got the right ingredients. Maybe if we split them up by Genre, we can get some managable brackets going on...
Title: Re: The Rifftrax Playoffs!
Post by: mrbasehart on November 09, 2006, 05:41:29 PM
And by "we", you mean "you", don't you?   ;D

*sigh*  I'll add another column to my spreadsheet... ;)
Title: Re: The Rifftrax Playoffs!
Post by: BBQ Platypus on November 09, 2006, 05:55:52 PM
My list of 32 -

Anaconda
Armageddon
Batman & Robin
Battlefield Earth
Congo
Core, The
Daredevil   
Deep Blue Sea 
Dirty Dancing
Dungeons & Dragons
Elektra  -  (Never saw the movie and it probably sucks...but good commentary to a bad movie, combined w/Jennifer Garner in various stages of undress fighting idiotic villains sounds like fun to me)
Fast and the Furious
Footloose
Gigli
Godzilla (AMERICAN)
Highlander
Independence Day
Jingle All The Way
Jurassic Park   
Leprechaun
Predator
Purple Rain
Red Dawn 
Showgirls 
Starship Troopers 
Titanic
Total Recall
Troll 2
Village, The
Waterworld
Wild Wild West
Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory
Title: Re: The Rifftrax Playoffs!
Post by: mrbasehart on November 09, 2006, 06:22:28 PM
OK.  I've played a bit loose with the genres so there's not tons to choose from, and here's what we have:


A.I.                         Science Fiction
Alien vs Predator            Science Fiction
American Ninja            Action
Amityville Horror (REMAKE)         Horror
Anaconda            Horror
Armageddon            Action
Batman & Robin            Action
Batman Forever            Action
Battlefield Earth            Science Fiction
Big Trouble in Little China         Action
Blair Witch Project, The         Horror
Cabin Fever            Horror
Capote                         Drama
Caravan of Courage         Science Fiction
Commando            Action
Conan The Barbarian         Action
Contact                         Science Fiction
Core, The            Science Fiction
Daredevil                         Action
Dark City                         Science Fiction
Day After Tomorrow, The         Action
Deep Impact            Action
Deep Blue Sea            Horror
Dick Tracy            Film Noir
Die Another Day            Action
Dirty Dancing            Drama
Donnie Darko            Drama
Doom                         Science Fiction
Double Dragon            Action
Dreamcatcher            Horror
Driven                         Action
Dungeons & Dragons         Fantasy
Elektra                         Action
Equilibrium            Science Fiction
E.T.                         Science Fiction
Event Horizon            Horror
Fast and the Furious         Action
Few Good Men, A            Drama
Flight of the Navigator         Science Fiction
Fog, The (NEW)            Horror
Footloose            Drama
Friday the 13th : Part VIII         Horror
Gigli                         Comedy
Gladiator                         Epic
Godfather III            Drama
Godzilla (AMERICAN)         Action
Hackers                         Drama
Harley Davidson & the Marlborough Man   Action
Highlander            Fantasy
Highlander II            Fantasy
Hulk, The                         Action
Independence Day            Science Fiction
Into the Blue            Action
Jaws: The Revenge         Horror
Jingle All The Way            Comedy
Johnny Mnemonic            Science Fiction
Judge Dredd            Science Fiction
Jurassic Park            Science Fiction
Jurassic Park II            Science Fiction
Jurassic Park III            Science Fiction
Kindergarten Cop            Comedy
Knock-Off            Action
Krull                         Fantasy
Last Action Hero            Action
Last Dragon            Action
Legend                         Fantasy
Leprechaun            Horror
Lost Boys, The            Horror
Lost in Space            Science Fiction
Mannequin            Comedy
Masters of the Universe         Fantasy
Matrix Revolutions            Science Fiction
Maximum Overdrive            Science Fiction
Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers      Action
Minority Report            Science Fiction
Mission to Mars            Science Fiction
Monkey Shines            Horror
Mummy, The (NEW)         Action
Omega Man            Science Fiction
Pearl Harbour            Action
Phantom of the Opera (SCHUMACHER)      Drama
Planet of the Apes (HESTON)      Science Fiction
Planet of the Apes (BURTON)      Science Fiction
Poltergeist            Horror
Postman, The            Science Fiction
Predator                         Science Fiction
Prince of Darkness            Horror
Purple Rain            Drama
Red Dawn            Action
Red Eye                         Action
Ring, The                         Horror
Robin Hood: PoT            Action
Rocky 4                         Action
Rollerball (REMAKE)            Science Fiction
Rosemary's Baby            Horror
Running Man            Science Fiction
Saint, The            Action
Seabiscuit            Drama
Shadow, The            Action
Sky Captain & the World of Tomorrow      Action
Sound of Thunder, A         Action
Speed                         Action
Speed 2                         Action
Stargate                         Science Fiction
Starship Troopers            Science Fiction
Star Trek: The Motion Picture      Science Fiction
Streetfighter : The Movie         Action
Superman III            Action
Superman IV            Action
Tango & Cash            Action
Terminator 2            Science Fiction
Terminator 3            Science Fiction
Texas Chainsaw Massacre: TNG      Horror
They Live!            Action
Thing, The            Horror
THX-1138            Science Fiction
Timecop                         Science Fiction
Time Machine (REMAKE)         Science Fiction
Titanic                         Drama
Total Recall            Science Fiction
Toys                         Drama
Trainspotting            Drama
Tremors                         Comedy
Troll 2                         Horror
Tron                         Science Fiction
Troy                         Epic
Ultraviolet            Science Fiction
Van Helsing            Action
Village, The            Horror
Volcano                         Action
View to a Kill, A            Action
Wall Street            Drama
WarGames            Drama
War of the Worlds (REMAKE)         Science Fiction
Warriors, The            Action
Waterworld            Science Fiction
Waxworks            Horror
When a Stranger Calls (REMAKE)      Horror
Wild Wild West            Science Fiction
Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory      Comedy
Wizard of Oz, The            Drama
Xanadu                         Drama
X-Files, The Movie            Action
X-Men 3                         Action
Zardoz                         Science Fiction

The total list gives us:

44 Science Fiction movies.
46 Action movies.
23 Horror movies.
32 Other movies.

Does this help anyone?  I'm thinking the easiest thing is to break things into tenuous groups (such as "superhero movies")and poll them before we start the bracketing. 
Title: Re: The Rifftrax Playoffs!
Post by: MontyServo on November 09, 2006, 07:10:29 PM
What would be really cool is if the Rifftrax folks gave us a list of 16 or 32 movies (movies they would be willing to do, but not necessarily something already scheduled), and then we do our little tournament with those titles.  Than they could actually do the winning film.  The first annual Rifftrax Roundtable Viewer's Choice Tournament!

What do you think, sirs?



Title: Re: The Rifftrax Playoffs!
Post by: Variety of Cells on November 09, 2006, 07:17:47 PM
What would be really cool is if the Rifftrax folks gave us a list of 16 or 32 movies (movies they would be willing to do, but not necessarily something already scheduled), and then we do our little tournament with those titles.  Than they could actually do the winning film.  The first annual Rifftrax Roundtable Viewer's Choice Tournament!

What do you think, sirs?

That sounds like a most excellent idea.  Completely solves the problem of possibly not wanting to do the movie.  It will also be a much shorter list.  I fully support this idea.
Title: Re: The Rifftrax Playoffs!
Post by: Pak-Man on November 09, 2006, 07:19:21 PM
Or, to keep things more open, we could have the Mods pick movies off our list that have no Snowball's chance in Hades (Keeping in mind that our selection is still never a guarantee. :^))
Title: Re: The Rifftrax Playoffs!
Post by: MontyServo on November 09, 2006, 07:23:05 PM
What would be really cool is if the Rifftrax folks gave us a list of 16 or 32 movies (movies they would be willing to do, but not necessarily something already scheduled), and then we do our little tournament with those titles.  Than they could actually do the winning film.  The first annual Rifftrax Roundtable Viewer's Choice Tournament!

What do you think, sirs?

That sounds like a most excellent idea.  Completely solves the problem of possibly not wanting to do the movie.  It will also be a much shorter list.  I fully support this idea.

I think the lists already compiled in this thread could be considered "nominated" films.  Let the Rifftrax staff choose the 16 or 32 films for the tourney from that.  I don't think it is beyond the realm of possibilty that Rifftrax would get behind this tournament by selecting the entry films and actually using the winning film for an upcoming Rifftrax.

The Fan of the Month says Make It So! 

please.
Title: Re: The Rifftrax Playoffs!
Post by: Variety of Cells on November 09, 2006, 07:26:55 PM
The only problem is that we'll have to wait quite a while for their picks.  They will have to consult Mike and everyone else, which will take weeks.  If we proceed with our fan made list it will get done faster, but we'll be unsure of its validity.  I'm all for waiting it out, but if there are those who just can't wait, we might want to continue forward.
Title: Re: The Rifftrax Playoffs!
Post by: MontyServo on November 09, 2006, 07:31:55 PM
The only problem is that we'll have to wait quite a while for their picks.  They will have to consult Mike and everyone else, which will take weeks.  If we proceed with our fan made list it will get done faster, but we'll be unsure of its validity.  I'm all for waiting it out, but if there are those who just can't wait, we might want to continue forward.

I'm sure the mod's would be able to give us an answer tomorrow, meaning they should be able to tell us one way or the other if this is something they would want to do.  It would be worth waiting a week or so for their picks, just to know that the winning film was a definite Rifftrax.  If not, then the fantasy tourney would still be fun.  And who knows, they might still be willing to do the winning pick.

I also like Pak's idea of asking the Mod's to help trim the master list of films they would never do.  Assuming they don't want to just select a Top 16 or 32 for us to use.
Title: Re: The Rifftrax Playoffs!
Post by: Sharktopus on November 09, 2006, 07:36:08 PM
Logan's Run is unavailable in Region 2? I'm sure you're all very jealous of my copy.

"Fish! Plankton! Sea greens! Protein from the sea!"
Title: Re: The Rifftrax Playoffs!
Post by: SmilinJackRoss on November 09, 2006, 09:09:18 PM
We should all be in the mindset that this bracket tournament would only be for fun.  To get your hopes up that Mike would actually riff it would be a long shot.  The mods would come up with their own tourney if this were a true possibility.
Title: Re: The Rifftrax Playoffs!
Post by: MontyServo on November 10, 2006, 08:01:09 AM
We should all be in the mindset that this bracket tournament would only be for fun.  To get your hopes up that Mike would actually riff it would be a long shot.  The mods would come up with their own tourney if this were a true possibility.

Well, given the types of movies that have been done as Rifftrax and the level of most of the movies suggested and favored by this board.  It would be likely that Mike would do our winning choice eventually anyway.  Unless something unexpected wins, such as Troll 2 or Gandhi.

I was just suggesting a way to give this tourney a bit of legitimacy.  It is, of course, completely up to the Rifftrax crew if they want to actually use the winning film as Rifftrax fodder.



Title: Re: The Rifftrax Playoffs!
Post by: Conor on November 10, 2006, 08:22:25 AM
Looks like an awesome event being planned here.  I say proceed with the tournament.  Seeing             how it plays out will be a good way to gauge interest in movies, but it'll also be really fun.  Blender (I'll admit that it arrives at my house every month) is currently doing the same thing with bands, and while it's far stupider than this idea, it's still kind of fun to read.

That said, like all the polls, it could be a great way to gauge interest, but it still has a few problems that I think would keep it from being a foolproof way to pick the next movie.  First of all, how do you make sure that voting is kept honest?  Maybe submitting votes by just replying to a thread for each matchup?  I'm not sure, but I think it would be relatively easy to vote many times for a poll, (not that anyone would be so desperate...actually, scratch that...)  And then you still run into the risk that whatever wins turns out not to really work for a riffable movie, and there's no way we could pour through all the choices ahead of time to see what wouldn't work.  Often what trips you up are the things you don't think about like a movie being too talky:  you don't really notice until you look for it.  We'd need a clause like in the Riff-Off where we can use all or part of the winners, but there's no real way to do that here.

That's my opinion.  But I say to go with it.  If we have a Cinderella story with an unexpected movie taking down some titans, it could call it to our attention in a way that posting "OMG TROLL 2!!!1111!!!" does not. 

What do the rest of you think?
Title: Re: The Rifftrax Playoffs!
Post by: mrbasehart on November 10, 2006, 08:59:42 AM
That said, like all the polls, it could be a great way to gauge interest, but it still has a few problems that I think would keep it from being a foolproof way to pick the next movie.  First of all, how do you make sure that voting is kept honest?  Maybe submitting votes by just replying to a thread for each matchup?  I'm not sure, but I think it would be relatively easy to vote many times for a poll, (not that anyone would be so desperate...actually, scratch that...)  And then you still run into the risk that whatever wins turns out not to really work for a riffable movie, and there's no way we could pour through all the choices ahead of time to see what wouldn't work.  Often what trips you up are the things you don't think about like a movie being too talky:  you don't really notice until you look for it.  We'd need a clause like in the Riff-Off where we can use all or part of the winners, but there's no real way to do that here.

What do the rest of you think?

You make some good points.  Perhaps the best way when voting in the polls is to reply in the thread as well.  We'll just have to take people's word that they've voted only once.

As for the choices that we select, and the reasons for and against why they should be selected, I think that's going to be more prominent if the list of films is severely reduced.  I think the forum would consider it an honour if Mike decided to tackle a film that we've suggested, so I would hope that no one would try and ruin the event.  I also think a concentrated look at the forum's tastes and the debate over whether certain films could be a viable rifftrax would be fun. 
Title: Re: The Rifftrax Playoffs!
Post by: Cap'n UKRiffer on November 10, 2006, 09:35:55 AM
You make some good points.  Perhaps the best way when voting in the polls is to reply in the thread as well.  We'll just have to take people's word that they've voted only once.

But you can set polls so they only accept one vote per user, so doesn't that sort out this problem?
Title: Re: The Rifftrax Playoffs!
Post by: MontyServo on November 10, 2006, 09:43:49 AM
OK then, we have the official word from Rifftrax!  Knock yourselves out and maybe, just maybe, the winning film will be considered for an upcoming Rifftrax.  (Unless the winning film is Troll 2, then all bets are off.)

Personally I can't wait for this to start!  I'd love to be able to vote on one of two films and post my reasons for my vote.  Bring it on!!!!!

 ;D  :D  ;)  :)  8)  :-*

Title: Re: The Rifftrax Playoffs!
Post by: JonnyFrag on November 10, 2006, 11:26:29 AM
My two cents worth...
I went through the last posted list and am suggesting some removals from the list with the reason being listed after. Only a few are for an opinion based reason, most are relative scarcity. Just throwing it out there. if they say 'hard to obtain?' that means I am unsure of their commonality but think they may be hard to get. Please correct if they are easy to get!

American Ninja    Hard to obtain?
Big Trouble in Little China    (While I love this movie and would love to see it riffed it has 2 problems in my eyes. Kind of hard to obtain and is already a comedy/satire might be hard to do.)
Blair Witch        Perhaps not Mike's cup of tea. Chock full of F bombs and not much else.
Cabin Fever      Not really up Mike's alley. Really gory (not that I mind that, but for normalized consumption)
Dick Tracy        maybe hard to obtain. Not sure.
Donnie Darko     Perhaps not the proper tone for a Rifftrax. Already a comedy, but of a very different type.
Double Dragon  hard to obtain?
Dungeons and Dragons   Even though I would love to see this one done, probably hard to obtain
Flight of the Navigator      hard to obtain?
Harley Davidson and the Marlboro Man    hard to obtain
Mannequin   hard to obtain?
Maters of the Universe   hard to obtain? I know Netflix has it cause it's already in my queue  :)
Maximum Overdrive   Again a great idea but hard to obtain I'd wager
Monkey Shines       Ditto
Purple Rain     hard to obtain?
Prince of Darkness    one of my personal favs, but I know it's kinda scarce already
Streetfighter: The Movie    hard to obtain?
Superman 3 and 4    Hard to obtain?  Are these even avaliable on DVD outside that box set?
Texas Chainsaw: TNG    hard to obtain. and hey, I was the first one to even suggest it I think
They Live!     I LOVE THIS FILM! But I think it's a bit hard to obtain
Trainspotting     wrong tone?
Wall Street    hard to obtain?
Waxworks    hard to obtain   (another I like and suggested)
Xanadu    hard to obtain?
Zardoz      hard to obtain?
Title: Re: The Rifftrax Playoffs!
Post by: Cap'n UKRiffer on November 10, 2006, 11:34:03 AM
Superman 3 and 4    Hard to obtain?  Are these even avaliable on DVD outside that box set?

I believe these are being released seperatly at the same time as the box set
Title: Re: The Rifftrax Playoffs!
Post by: JonnyFrag on November 10, 2006, 11:47:56 AM
Superman 3 and 4    Hard to obtain?  Are these even avaliable on DVD outside that box set?

I believe these are being released seperatly at the same time as the box set


If they are going to be plentiful, then please leave them in play!
Title: Re: The Rifftrax Playoffs!
Post by: dignan on November 10, 2006, 01:14:20 PM
American Ninja is in stock at Amazon.  Featuring Michael Dudikoff and his abnormally large, disproportionately-sized fists, if the box art is any indication.  Even better, American Ninja 2 (the greatest of the American Ninja saga, I think we'd all agree) is released on a DVD WITH American Ninja 3 for one low price! 

I need to get a raise at work so I can start collecting movies like these.
Title: Re: The Rifftrax Playoffs!
Post by: Cap'n UKRiffer on November 10, 2006, 01:18:50 PM
American Ninja is in stock at Amazon.  Featuring Michael Dudikoff and his abnormally large, disproportionately-sized fists, if the box art is any indication.  Even better, American Ninja 2 (the greatest of the American Ninja saga, I think we'd all agree) is released on a DVD WITH American Ninja 3 for one low price! 

I need to get a raise at work so I can start collecting movies like these.

I found the American Ninja films (well the first 2) to be pretty good for saying thet were American 80's martial arts movie, a film type that generally didn't do well outside of the main guys like Van Damme, Seagal and Norris.
Title: Re: The Rifftrax Playoffs!
Post by: dignan on November 10, 2006, 01:58:53 PM
American Ninja is in stock at Amazon.  Featuring Michael Dudikoff and his abnormally large, disproportionately-sized fists, if the box art is any indication.  Even better, American Ninja 2 (the greatest of the American Ninja saga, I think we'd all agree) is released on a DVD WITH American Ninja 3 for one low price! 

I need to get a raise at work so I can start collecting movies like these.

I found the American Ninja films (well the first 2) to be pretty good for saying thet were American 80's martial arts movie, a film type that generally didn't do well outside of the main guys like Van Damme, Seagal and Norris.

Agreed.  Both hugely enjoyable and hugely cheesy. 
Title: Re: The Rifftrax Playoffs!
Post by: Timflan on November 11, 2006, 10:10:22 AM
I want to cast my vote for "Escape from the Planet of the Apes". This is the one where Cornelius and Zira come back to contemporary Earth and become celebrities. But then xenophobia sets in, they become fugitives, and Ricardo Montalbon (as circus-master "Armando") has to help them.

Rich, fertile ground, here...
Title: Re: The Rifftrax Playoffs!
Post by: Sharktopus on November 11, 2006, 10:44:51 PM
Superman 3 and 4    Hard to obtain?  Are these even avaliable on DVD outside that box set?

I believe these are being released seperatly at the same time as the box set

They're also available in large quantities whervever used DVDs are sold. Can't imagine why...
Title: Re: The Rifftrax Playoffs!
Post by: torgosPizza on November 11, 2006, 11:29:31 PM
We can set polls to have a vote-per-person count as well as a time limit.

I think we could figure out a way to eliminate lots of the "problem movies" as has been discussed. The poll would definitely still need to be moderated. The best way to accomplish this, I think, is to have users submit a list of their top choices for movies to be riffed. Maybe, 5 a piece or so (or less?) to keep things somewhat concise. Then we can bring the master list to the people that need to see it, and we can eliminate any that are not doable based on criteria such as availability, mass appeal, bawdiness etc. The final list, maybe of around or near 10-15 movies, would then consist of all movies that are potential riffing candidates and the voting could then commence.

Let me know what you guys think, as I believe this would keep things somewhat orderly and prevent most problems that have been brought up. Discuss!
Title: Re: The Rifftrax Playoffs!
Post by: mrbakasan on November 11, 2006, 11:36:42 PM
We can set polls to have a vote-per-person count as well as a time limit.

I think we could figure out a way to eliminate lots of the "problem movies" as has been discussed. The poll would definitely still need to be moderated. The best way to accomplish this, I think, is to have users submit a list of their top choices for movies to be riffed. Maybe, 5 a piece or so (or less?) to keep things somewhat concise. Then we can bring the master list to the people that need to see it, and we can eliminate any that are not doable based on criteria such as availability, mass appeal, bawdiness etc. The final list, maybe of around or near 10-15 movies, would then consist of all movies that are potential riffing candidates and the voting could then commence.

Let me know what you guys think, as I believe this would keep things somewhat orderly and prevent most problems that have been brought up. Discuss!

I think that is great idea torgospizza.  As you had said, 5 or less, I think is key.  I think this could be a big success as long as it is all fairly orderly.
Title: Re: The Rifftrax Playoffs!
Post by: Pak-Man on November 11, 2006, 11:50:52 PM
What if we open up a post for one week for people to suggest one movie and one only that they'd like to see Riffed. Then have the Mods take a look and pluck out the no-gos. This should give us a healthy group of suggestions. To go bracket, we need a bracketable amount of candidates (16, 32, or 64 would work.) After we whiddle down the list we open up the voting, first with the 64 candidates, then with the 32, then the 16, the 8, the 4, and then the 2 winners, with the ultimate winner being our numero uno choice. :^) This would require a lot of posts for each competition (I'd reccomend 32, but we might only be able to break it down to 64.) and then each subcompetition afterward. Mayhaps the mods would be nice enough to make a board for the occasion solely for housing the tournaments?
Title: Re: The Rifftrax Playoffs!
Post by: Yarg on November 12, 2006, 12:03:57 AM
Boy, who thought Capote or Pee-Wee's Big Adventure would make a good rifftrax? Jesus. Making fun of Pee-Wee is like making fun of happiness and joy and Capote is almost the saddest movie ever made, and based on crap that actually happened. Even if you didn't like the movie it would be pretty damn insensitive to do it. If he did Capote then he would have to top that by doing The Killing Fields, Hotel Rwanda, and United 93 while he was at it.

Oh and also Trainspotting is a pretty sad movie too and shouldn't be on the list. No movies with dead baby scenes please.

Um, so in other words, don't do these movies.
Title: Re: The Rifftrax Playoffs!
Post by: MontyServo on November 12, 2006, 05:41:29 AM
We can set polls to have a vote-per-person count as well as a time limit.

I think we could figure out a way to eliminate lots of the "problem movies" as has been discussed. The poll would definitely still need to be moderated. The best way to accomplish this, I think, is to have users submit a list of their top choices for movies to be riffed. Maybe, 5 a piece or so (or less?) to keep things somewhat concise. Then we can bring the master list to the people that need to see it, and we can eliminate any that are not doable based on criteria such as availability, mass appeal, bawdiness etc. The final list, maybe of around or near 10-15 movies, would then consist of all movies that are potential riffing candidates and the voting could then commence.

Let me know what you guys think, as I believe this would keep things somewhat orderly and prevent most problems that have been brought up. Discuss!

Aha!  I knew it would be possible to go in this direction!  5 picks may be too many, but 1 would be too few (there is bound to be lots of duplication).  How about each person submits 3 choices?  Then the powers that be can whittle the list down to 32 or 64 titles.  When you say the polls would have to be moderated, does that mean that you would open and close the polls?  And would you have two films voted on at a time in each poll, or something like 4 films with the top two advancing to the next round??  Also each poll will allow for us to debate the pros and cons of riffing each particular film.

I have to think about what films i would nominate.  Whatever happens, this will be a fun way to pass the time until the next Rifftrax!  By the way, when is that next Rifftrax coming??   ;D
Title: Re: The Rifftrax Playoffs!
Post by: Jeyl on November 12, 2006, 08:01:33 AM
I think we're on to something with Ghost in the Shell. Not only does this film have the same problems that the Matrix had that made it so susceptible to being riffed (Taking itself too seriously, lots of techno mumbo jumbo), but there are a lot of scenes that are slow and dull that can provide lots of riffing time.

I would LOVE to see them riff it's sequal, innocence. That film is so bad I don't even label it as a film because nothing happens in it.

And besides, wouldn't it be awsome to have cover artwork that featured Mike and his gang in anime form?

And these titles aren't hard to find either. Manga just released an anniversary edition, and Dreamworks still has Innocence on their list.
Title: Re: The Rifftrax Playoffs!
Post by: torgosPizza on November 12, 2006, 04:09:36 PM
Um, so in other words, don't do these movies.

I'm pretty sure you wouldn't have to worry about those movies being riffed, ever.
Title: Re: The Rifftrax Playoffs!
Post by: Variety of Cells on November 12, 2006, 04:37:58 PM
I think we're on to something with Ghost in the Shell. Not only does this film have the same problems that the Matrix had that made it so susceptible to being riffed (Taking itself too seriously, lots of techno mumbo jumbo), but there are a lot of scenes that are slow and dull that can provide lots of riffing time.

I would LOVE to see them riff it's sequal, innocence. That film is so bad I don't even label it as a film because nothing happens in it.

And besides, wouldn't it be awsome to have cover artwork that featured Mike and his gang in anime form?

And these titles aren't hard to find either. Manga just released an anniversary edition, and Dreamworks still has Innocence on their list.

Mike won't watch anime, I think it'll get scratched off once they present the list to Mike.


The Playoffs are starting to take a great shape though.  We'll have to sort out a bunch of rules for the polls, but first we need to start taking suggestions.  I feel three movies per person is a good amount.  Anyone want to take up the position of suggestion taker? 
Title: Re: The Rifftrax Playoffs!
Post by: mrbakasan on November 12, 2006, 04:52:03 PM
I agree that 3 movies is the number we should go with.
Title: Re: The Rifftrax Playoffs!
Post by: BBQ Platypus on November 12, 2006, 05:11:52 PM
I second the "three" motion...thus fulfilling my evil plan of TURNING THE NUMBER THREE INTO TWO!!!!!!!!!!!!  BWAH-HAH-HAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!





(Note: That was a joke.  It doesn't mean I want the submission to only be two movies.  I want it to be three).
Title: Re: The Rifftrax Playoffs!
Post by: mrbasehart on November 12, 2006, 05:23:39 PM
Just so I'm clear: We'll each get to nominate three different films, which initially will be polled, and then placed into a head-to-head playoff of possibly 32 titles?

Sounds good to me.   ;D
Title: Re: The Rifftrax Playoffs!
Post by: torgosPizza on November 12, 2006, 06:32:40 PM
I would say, hold off on "appointing" anyone officially at this point. Since it's the weekend and it looks like I'm the only one moderating at the moment, we will need to convene on our end and sort things out to make it as smooth as possible - if it were to even happen. Again I'm not sure on the official word on anything since this was a fanmade idea, and a great one at that. But of course there are people we need to clear it with (including the Riffmaster himself). Once we have the go-ahead, we will let you know the system we have devised to make everything easy and clear from the get-go.

it is definitely a great idea and something I would fully support. However let's not get ahead of ourselves - give us until at least end of the day Monday to figure something out for you guys, and get the final word out to you all.

Erik
Title: Re: The Rifftrax Playoffs!
Post by: Variety of Cells on November 12, 2006, 06:39:28 PM
Oh?  So we have official sponsorship now?  Cool.  I apologize, I was still under the impression that we were expected to run this independently and wanted to get it rolling. 
Title: Re: The Rifftrax Playoffs!
Post by: SaucyRossy on November 12, 2006, 06:55:09 PM
Man I cant believe I missed the beginnings of this thread. It's a great idea really. As a fan of sports and the especially college basketball this could be so much fun.
Frankly I think the best way to do it is to split them into genres like you have all done, aim for each genre to have a equal amount of movies.
Start the playoffs by having the genre movies go against each other then each have a winner that goes to the final four...it looks like we have Action, Scifi, Horror and Other.

That gives us a great balance imo.

So the winner of Action goes agains the Winner of Horror and the winner of Scifi goes against Other.

Pretty simple really. I am really looking forward to this. Should be great.
Title: Re: The Rifftrax Playoffs!
Post by: torgosPizza on November 12, 2006, 07:11:13 PM
Oh?  So we have official sponsorship now?  Cool.  I apologize, I was still under the impression that we were expected to run this independently and wanted to get it rolling. 

I'm not sure how much official it really is.. but just keep in mind that it is up to our discretion which movies make it. So, at some point, there will need to be at least SOME level of moderation from us. I think the general nuts and bolts will be done by you guys, and we might peek in to throw you guys off (which is what we do best).

But like I said the end result will have to get filtered through to us anyways; which means our presence will be required during at least some stages of the process. "Official sponsorship," not really. More like "We'll make sure it goes the way we want it to smoothly and fairly!" :)
Title: Re: The Rifftrax Playoffs!
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on November 13, 2006, 04:41:20 AM
The first bit of narrowing down should be movies that are hard to find.

Just take a look at the list of movies in the Rifftrax catalog. I don't believe any of them could seriously be considered "hard to find". Most of them were big box-office money makers, as well as very popular movies. But movies like Krull, Last Dragon, Masters of the Universe and Zardoz are not something you can just waltz in to your local Best Buy and find on the shelves.


After removing the harder to find titles, we could then start breaking up the list into genres, and starting the voting process on each based on it's type.

I think that would make this process easier.
Title: Re: The Rifftrax Playoffs!
Post by: MontyServo on November 13, 2006, 05:03:17 AM
The first bit of narrowing down should be movies that are hard to find.

Just take a look at the list of movies in the Rifftrax catalog. I don't believe any of them could seriously be considered "hard to find". Most of them were big box-office money makers, as well as very popular movies. But movies like Krull, Last Dragon, Masters of the Universe and Zardoz are not something you can just waltz in to your local Best Buy and find on the shelves.


After removing the harder to find titles, we could then start breaking up the list into genres, and starting the voting process on each based on it's type.

I think that would make this process easier.

All 4 of the movies you mentioned are currently in stock at Amazon for around $10 each.  And I couldn't find Crossroads at any of the retail stores I usually shop at either.  So I eventually just rented it, but could have just as easily bought it off of Amazon.

If anything, the four movies you listed may be eliminated by the Rifftrax staff just because they would be a bit too obscure and wouldn't sell as well as a more mainstream movie.

If the whole Rifftrax sponsored thing doesn't pan out, then I like the idea of doing a super tourney divided up into genres.  How about 8 genres with 32 movies each?  That would be 8 different tourneys with the 8 winners advancing to an 8 film final tourney, with the winner being chosen as the 2006 Roundtable Most Wanted Rifftrax!  Actually it might be hard coming up with 8 genres.  So maybe 4 genres with 64 films each, then when we reach the top 16 in each genre then we mix all those films up into an overall top 64 tourney.

Title: Re: The Rifftrax Playoffs!
Post by: JonnyFrag on November 13, 2006, 06:47:49 AM
In the spirit of the 'three wishes' idea here are my 3 (already hopefully pre-whittled for availability, tone and leaving out the obvious like LOTR, Batman and Robin...stuff EVERYONE wants to see etc...)

Armageddon
Red Dawn
X Files Movie


Pie in the Sky wish? Dawn of the Dead (original especially!)
Title: Re: The Rifftrax Playoffs!
Post by: BBQ Platypus on November 13, 2006, 07:30:07 AM
In the spirit of the 'three wishes' idea here are my 3 (already hopefully pre-whittled for availability, tone and leaving out the obvious like LOTR, Batman and Robin...stuff EVERYONE wants to see etc...)

Armageddon
Red Dawn
X Files Movie


Pie in the Sky wish? Dawn of the Dead (original especially!)

Same here.  (Damn.  I hate not having anything original to say).
Title: Re: The Rifftrax Playoffs!
Post by: kodiakthejuggler on November 13, 2006, 08:58:35 AM
The first bit of narrowing down should be movies that are hard to find.

Just take a look at the list of movies in the Rifftrax catalog. I don't believe any of them could seriously be considered "hard to find". Most of them were big box-office money makers, as well as very popular movies. But movies like Krull, Last Dragon, Masters of the Universe and Zardoz are not something you can just waltz in to your local Best Buy and find on the shelves.


After removing the harder to find titles, we could then start breaking up the list into genres, and starting the voting process on each based on it's type.

I think that would make this process easier.

All 4 of the movies you mentioned are currently in stock at Amazon for around $10 each.  And I couldn't find Crossroads at any of the retail stores I usually shop at either.  So I eventually just rented it, but could have just as easily bought it off of Amazon.

If anything, the four movies you listed may be eliminated by the Rifftrax staff just because they would be a bit too obscure and wouldn't sell as well as a more mainstream movie.

If the whole Rifftrax sponsored thing doesn't pan out, then I like the idea of doing a super tourney divided up into genres.  How about 8 genres with 32 movies each?  That would be 8 different tourneys with the 8 winners advancing to an 8 film final tourney, with the winner being chosen as the 2006 Roundtable Most Wanted Rifftrax!  Actually it might be hard coming up with 8 genres.  So maybe 4 genres with 64 films each, then when we reach the top 16 in each genre then we mix all those films up into an overall top 64 tourney.



I was envisioning the idea of more "mainstream" movies, as opposed to just being hard to find, which is basically the difference between MST3K and Rifftrax. Obscurity vs. Mainstream...

I like your idea of the super tourney by genre.
Title: Re: The Rifftrax Playoffs!
Post by: mrbakasan on November 13, 2006, 09:30:09 AM
Holy crap this is getting complicated.  I'm starting to get a little lost as to how this could all work with so many catagories.  Personally, I think it would be better as just top votes with genre ignored.
Title: Re: The Rifftrax Playoffs!
Post by: SmilinJackRoss on November 13, 2006, 12:33:06 PM
Holy crap this is getting complicated.  I'm starting to get a little lost as to how this could all work with so many catagories.  Personally, I think it would be better as just top votes with genre ignored.

Agreed.  Doing separate tourneys by genre would over-complicate this.  Movie versus movie sounds like it would be easier to do.

So, let me get this straight.  As of now, it seems like there will be a thread created where we each put down 3 movies we want to see riffed, and the top movies nominated (32 or whatever number is decided) are put into polls versus each other bracket-style.

Sounds great!
Title: Re: The Rifftrax Playoffs!
Post by: robertraur on November 13, 2006, 01:28:44 PM
I love this idea, but if we could get one of the moderators to conjure up a bracket, it would eliminate any debate on what should/shouldn't be on the list. 

32 would be great, but 16 would also be just as good. 

Title: Re: The Rifftrax Playoffs!
Post by: JonnyFrag on November 13, 2006, 01:36:49 PM
Let's remember that it was just a fun idea kind of thing to begin with. I doubt they (the mods) will make us playoff brackets and give us lists to choose from. That's what they want from us is a short list and to see what has the most interest from the forum trolling fans. And it is more of a 'we want to give it to them' than a 'they asked us for it.'

This one will be up to us, TorgosPizza was just trying to see if there was anyway to get any blessing on the end result as being seriously considered as an upcoming Trax. Even without that 'official sanction' we should just make up a list, start voting and see where it takes us. It is supposed to be engaging and fun!

I say why not take the shortened version of the 'long list' and just break it into pieces. Then the winners from each piece move on etc...
Title: Re: The Rifftrax Playoffs!
Post by: torgosPizza on November 13, 2006, 01:46:27 PM
Exactly... if everyone here wants to create something like this, even if it's just for fun and to challenge yourself, by all means. Just keep in mind we may or may not use your suggestion(s) - unless it's sanctioned by us. If you all come up with a great way of doing it, then maybe it's something we can consider as a future contest, that would be official "RiffTrax Most Wanted" or something.

Give it a shot and we'll keep an eye on things to see how it goes!
Title: Re: The Rifftrax Playoffs!
Post by: mrbasehart on November 13, 2006, 05:18:10 PM
Okay.  Here's what I propose, we have 145 movies on the list.  We do 12 polls, with 12 movies on each (13 on the last), the movies will be selected completely at random and the top three entries on each poll will enter the playoffs, giving us 36 movies to give us our tournament.  The first round of polls are our playoffs, but the 36 movies are the playoff finals.   ;D

And coming straight here, I didn't notice Jonny's polls.  Which are exactly what I've just written!
Title: Re: The Rifftrax Playoffs!
Post by: MontyServo on November 13, 2006, 08:41:13 PM
Okay.  Here's what I propose, we have 145 movies on the list.  We do 12 polls, with 12 movies on each (13 on the last), the movies will be selected completely at random and the top three entries on each poll will enter the playoffs, giving us 36 movies to give us our tournament.  The first round of polls are our playoffs, but the 36 movies are the playoff finals.   ;D

And coming straight here, I didn't notice Jonny's polls.  Which are exactly what I've just written!

I think there should be a new nomination phase.  The three films I would have nominated are not on the existing lists.  I'm sure there are others that would like to make sure their films got a chance in the poll.



Title: Re: The Rifftrax Playoffs!
Post by: JonnyFrag on November 14, 2006, 11:50:32 AM
Well then , we need a new OFFICIAL PLAYOFF NOMINATIONS THREAD!

Starting one now...
Title: Re: The Rifftrax Playoffs!
Post by: Jeyl on November 14, 2006, 04:30:23 PM
Mike won't watch anime,
Huh? What's wrong with the anime titles? Aren't they movies too? But more importantly, is there anything else he won't watch?
Title: Re: The Rifftrax Playoffs!
Post by: JonnyFrag on November 15, 2006, 03:20:48 PM
For practicality's sake I would steer clear of the following due to comments made in interviews etc...

Anime
Extremely Violent Movies (like ultra splatter flicks...)
Movies with a lot of nudity, sex
Movies chock full of F bombs and such (why nominating Pulp Fiction is likely never to really go anywhere)
Movies that are really hard to find on DVD (like old Out of Print items, Star Wars Holiday Special etc...)
(ties in the above one) movies that are very obscure , such as I would love to see Superfuzz but it's very hard to find on DVD and pretty damn obscure.

But please head over to the nomination thread going and nominate away! http://rifftrax.com/smf/index.php?topic=830.0