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Title: Wow, screw this guy.
Post by: Courtney on January 08, 2008, 01:32:01 PM
Regarding the Writer's Strike, namely its cancellation of the Golden Globes ceremony:

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Earlier Monday, NBC Entertainment cochief Ben Silverman told E! News anchor Ryan Seacrest that the network was "obviously trying to find a solution to satisfy fans of these great movies and all the incredible stars who have worked so hard all year and got this incredible opportunity.

"Sadly, it feels like the nerdiest, ugliest, meanest kids in the high school are trying to cancel the prom. But NBC wants to try to keep that prom alive."

What a dick.   ::)

For the full article, clickies : http://www.eonline.com/news/article/index.jsp?uuid=faa0c5ff-020e-4eaa-8778-0b26f88b8f8a&page=2 (http://www.eonline.com/news/article/index.jsp?uuid=faa0c5ff-020e-4eaa-8778-0b26f88b8f8a&page=2)
Title: Re: Wow, screw this guy.
Post by: Doctor Who? on January 08, 2008, 01:39:04 PM
What was he talking about.

really i read that thing four time and I have no idea what it was about.

Could you post a link to the whole interview so that I can find out what that one sentance was talking about.
Title: Re: Wow, screw this guy.
Post by: Wiseblood on January 08, 2008, 01:52:22 PM
NERDS!

(http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/3209/nerdsdf9.jpg)
Title: Re: Wow, screw this guy.
Post by: BEERxTaco on January 08, 2008, 01:56:28 PM
Well, if Hollywood is like high school, I suppose the writers are the nerds...
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Post by: mlcorcoran on January 08, 2008, 01:58:44 PM
wow, you know somebody has completely sold their soul to NBC when they call a crappy award show a "Prom"

this is like something out of an episode of 30 Rock, where Alec Baldwin's character is a power hungry suit who serves as the "Vice President of Television Programming and Microwave Ovens" at GE / NBC

creativity and corporate mindsets do not go together
Title: Re: Wow, screw this guy.
Post by: AmandaGal on January 08, 2008, 02:13:02 PM
Again, if Hollywood is like High School, the Golden Globes could be the prom or homecoming.  You know, people dress up and go with people they don't really like just because they're "cool" and will make the other kids talk and then go to a party afterwards and get drunk.  Sounds like the Oscars if you throw in designers and impressive amounts of free stuff.

Although, I don't think comparing your event to the prom is all that flattering.
Title: Re: Wow, screw this guy.
Post by: Petey Wheatstraw on January 08, 2008, 02:48:09 PM
Let's set aside how much we all hate awards shows for a second. The writer's strike is swimming in bullshit. Unions exist to serve only one purpose, and that is to screw you over. They are not in this for "the people". The only ones who get anything out of these strikes are the high-ranking union leaders. The writers are losing money because the WGA is telling them that they have to strike, whether they want to or not. Motherfuck the Union, and everyone who supports it.
Title: Re: Wow, screw this guy.
Post by: jewishcarpenter on January 08, 2008, 02:49:18 PM
Maybe just to teach all those ugly, mean nerds a lesson all the beautiful stars that have to suffer should just throw a big party and videotape them drinking, doing drugs and having sex. That would show all those nerds that those movie stars can have fun without them.
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Post by: Bob on January 08, 2008, 03:02:51 PM
I think the attitude of the walking blow-dryied hair-do at NBC pretty much show's their contempt for the "not fit to breath our air" writers and that the strike will go on a long time.
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Post by: torgosPizza on January 08, 2008, 03:20:17 PM
Let's look at the bigger picture:

Somehow, there's an entire industry that can bring Hollywood to its knees. A show that is nothing more than "a few talking points to introduce the nominees with some crappy jokes thrown in (and maybe some edgy jokes about the current celebrity trainwreck" is actually written by people who then can go on strike to demand more money. Does that seem odd to anyone else but me?

The very idea that the boneheads who made Token Bot Jazz say "What's crackin, Bitches?" get to demand anything is beyond ludicrous.
Title: Re: Wow, screw this guy.
Post by: Conor on January 08, 2008, 03:35:24 PM
Let's set aside how much we all hate awards shows for a second. The writer's strike is swimming in bullshit. Unions exist to serve only one purpose, and that is to screw you over. They are not in this for "the people". The only ones who get anything out of these strikes are the high-ranking union leaders. The writers are losing money because the WGA is telling them that they have to strike, whether they want to or not. Motherfuck the Union, and everyone who supports it.

Your understanding of the strike seems quite nuanced.  Do you suggest that the union disbands and that writers negotiate contracts for themselves on an individual basis?  How do you feel writers should be compensated for online material that they create?



The very idea that the boneheads who made Token Bot Jazz say "What's crackin, Bitches?" get to demand anything is beyond ludicrous.

Maybe it is the "boneheads" who write 30 Rock, Futurama and The Daily Show that are doing the demanding. 
Title: Re: Wow, screw this guy.
Post by: Wiseblood on January 08, 2008, 04:04:46 PM
Somehow, there's an entire industry that can bring Hollywood to its knees. A show that is nothing more than "a few talking points to introduce the nominees with some crappy jokes thrown in (and maybe some edgy jokes about the current celebrity trainwreck" is actually written by people who then can go on strike to demand more money. Does that seem odd to anyone else but me?

It's not so much the lack of writers that's preventing the show going on as normal, it's that the actors are supporting the writers by refusing to cross picket lines to attend. 
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Post by: mike5150 on January 08, 2008, 04:11:59 PM
Let's set aside how much we all hate awards shows for a second. The writer's strike is swimming in bullshit. Unions exist to serve only one purpose, and that is to screw you over. They are not in this for "the people". The only ones who get anything out of these strikes are the high-ranking union leaders. The writers are losing money because the WGA is telling them that they have to strike, whether they want to or not. Motherfuck the Union, and everyone who supports it.
I tottally agree with the union thing.....they are quickly going away cuz they fail.......(biggest union in the world?..the soviet union....failure!)..but if I understand right the writers do have a point, I thought they just wanted more money from dvds and I tunes stuff... that seems quite reasonable seeing as its their work ::)  I also think its funny that actors are boycotting these awards under the guise of support, yeah its not cuz you wont have anyone writing for you so the world sees what numbskulls you are when you dont have lines to read ;D....thats just mho
Title: Re: Wow, screw this guy.
Post by: BathTub on January 08, 2008, 04:15:22 PM
he writers are losing money because the WGA is telling them that they have to strike, whether they want to or not.

You are clearly amazingly well informed on the issues as usual Isaac, care to share for the class what percentage of the guild vote was to strike?
Title: Re: Wow, screw this guy.
Post by: torgosPizza on January 08, 2008, 04:17:12 PM
Maybe it is the "boneheads" who write 30 Rock, Futurama and The Daily Show that are doing the demanding. 

That's my point - the guys who write The Daily Show and Futurama deserve to demand more, since their writing is actually good. It's the hacks that shouldn't have a say. (I'm looking at you, Bob Orci)
Title: Re: Wow, screw this guy.
Post by: Conor on January 08, 2008, 04:26:27 PM
Let's set aside how much we all hate awards shows for a second. The writer's strike is swimming in bullshit. Unions exist to serve only one purpose, and that is to screw you over. They are not in this for "the people". The only ones who get anything out of these strikes are the high-ranking union leaders. The writers are losing money because the WGA is telling them that they have to strike, whether they want to or not. Motherfuck the Union, and everyone who supports it.
I tottally agree with the union thing.....they are quickly going away cuz they fail.......(biggest union in the world?..the soviet union....failure!)..

Yeah!  Take that "the word 'union'"!!!
Title: Re: Wow, screw this guy.
Post by: Petey Wheatstraw on January 08, 2008, 04:30:38 PM
Do you suggest that [...] writers negotiate contracts for themselves on an individual basis?

YES. If you can't think and do things for yourself, you might as well be a sack of potatoes.
Title: Re: Wow, screw this guy.
Post by: mike5150 on January 08, 2008, 04:33:15 PM
Let's set aside how much we all hate awards shows for a second. The writer's strike is swimming in bullshit. Unions exist to serve only one purpose, and that is to screw you over. They are not in this for "the people". The only ones who get anything out of these strikes are the high-ranking union leaders. The writers are losing money because the WGA is telling them that they have to strike, whether they want to or not. Motherfuck the Union, and everyone who supports it.
I tottally agree with the union thing.....they are quickly going away cuz they fail.......(biggest union in the world?..the soviet union....failure!)..

Yeah!  Take that "the word 'union'"!!!
hey that was a joke ,besides imho I feel they're the same.....all things equal to all men...
Title: Re: Wow, screw this guy.
Post by: Rude on January 08, 2008, 04:43:19 PM
...

Why are some union writers allowed to negotiate deals that allow them to return to work? (United Artists & Letterman for example)

-Rude
Title: Re: Wow, screw this guy.
Post by: Wiseblood on January 08, 2008, 05:48:42 PM
...

Why are some union writers allowed to negotiate deals that allow them to return to work? (United Artists & Letterman for example)

-Rude

Because the companies (Letterman and Ferguson's shows are owned by Letterman's Worldwide Pants company and not CBS) were willing to negotiate with the WGA and come to an agreement.  The networks and other AMPTP members are more interested in posturing than negotiating at this point.
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Post by: Plastic Self-Cleaning Duck on January 08, 2008, 06:31:04 PM
Do you suggest that [...] writers negotiate contracts for themselves on an individual basis?

YES. If you can't think and do things for yourself, you might as well be a sack of potatoes.
I think if Frank Zappa were here he'd never stop slapping you.

The Writer's Guild doesn't negotiate contracts for individual writers any more than the RIAA negotiates record deals for bands.  That's why you have an Agent, a Manager and/or an Entertainment Lawyer.

Besides providing things like health and life insurance to it's members (who as "independent contractors" they probably couldn't afford individually), holding writers workshops , making certain that everyone who should be credited with writing something gets their credit, registering writer's work to protect it from being stolen by others or by studios.....they help keep these Multi-National Corporations from screwing the writers out of money that they're entitled to earn from their work.

Online broadcasting of TV shows is a new thing that makes money for the Owners (because they sell ads) and these writers should be included in that payday.  But the Powers That Be won't even entertain that idea.  That's what the strike is about.

Yeah, if an individual writer goes in to negotiate a contract and they don't ask for payment for internet showings before they sign the deal, that's their problem and they should fire their Manager.  This strike is about the Companies saying that internet showings are off the table from the start - that no writer is entitled to make money from them....no negotiations.

THAT'S why the strike.
Title: Re: Wow, screw this guy.
Post by: Conor on January 08, 2008, 08:33:37 PM
Do you suggest that [...] writers negotiate contracts for themselves on an individual basis?

YES. If you can't think and do things for yourself, you might as well be a sack of potatoes.

I cannot repair an engine, butcher a hog nor negotiate a fair contract with the lawyers of one of the largest and wealthiest corporations in the world.  I still think I'm doing alright if I pay other people who know how to do them for me.
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Post by: Zardoz! on January 08, 2008, 09:23:24 PM
I think lots of american workers are sick and tired of their wages stagnating or dropping and their benefits being chiseled away to nothing while the suits make millions of dollars in bonuses every year, and the writers are simply demanding their share of the pie they bake. The goddam stars and the suits make the big bucks while the real talent, the writers, get crumbs. They're tired of it and are demanding a better deal, good for them.
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Post by: Petey Wheatstraw on January 08, 2008, 10:49:52 PM
What's the problem? Does it scare that I tell the truth instead of wallowing in hypocrisy? Do I scare you because I am intelligent?

If a person is unhappy about his job, and he's unable to negotiate to get the changes he wants made, he should either quit, or suck it up, not make everyone else in his field -- most of which ARE happy with their jobs -- strike for some bullshit so they can make money for union bullies who are the only ones that get anything from these kinds of strikes. If you believe that unions and strikes do anybody any good, GET REAL.

Do you suggest that [...] writers negotiate contracts for themselves on an individual basis?

YES. If you can't think and do things for yourself, you might as well be a sack of potatoes.
I think if Frank Zappa were here he'd never stop slapping you.

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Title: Re: Wow, screw this guy.
Post by: jewishcarpenter on January 09, 2008, 12:20:21 AM
Man, I wish that I had the world all figured out by the time I was 17. I could imagine though that all that knowledge might cause some stress and make me type out in all caps occasionally.
Title: Re: Wow, screw this guy.
Post by: Pak-Man on January 09, 2008, 01:32:55 AM
What's the problem? Does it scare that I tell the truth instead of wallowing in hypocrisy? Do I scare you because I am intelligent?

Naw, it's just so painful to see someone who's so very, very wrong and so confident that he's very, very right.

Sadly, we don't live in a world where every organization is a corrupt. evil entity, that must be overthrown. The truth is, this is in the writer's best interests. They had to fight back in the '80s to get a slice of the VHS pie. Now, because they didn't forsee technology moving into a digital age (And how could they) they have to fight again to get a slice of the new-media pie. See, right now, the only profits the writers see (Beyond the meager script sales) is a cut of the profit for television advertising. We live in an era where television is dying a slow but sure death. Once that goes away, all they have left is VHS sales. VHS, of course, has already died a slow lingering death. This allows studios to effectively keep every dime generated by hard-working writers. If it weren't for the union, there would be no way for the writers to collectively stand up against that, because they'd have the options to (As you put it) Suck it up or quit. The unions are providing the third option of fighting it, and that's what the majority of the writers guild members opted to do.
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Post by: Conor on January 09, 2008, 08:29:39 AM
If you believe that unions and strikes do anybody any good, GET REAL.

Don't be ridiculous.  A very real potential outcome from this strike is that the writers come away with a system in placed to get paid from online content.  Good done.

The unions are providing the third option of fighting it, and that's what the majority of the writers guild members opted to do.

No.  There is no third option.  One or the other.  It's a two party system.  Get real. GET REAL
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Post by: Bob on January 09, 2008, 08:34:08 AM
I vote we just go back to the feudal manor days when our lords the king would decide what is best for us.

(http://www.warrennet.org/wtsd/medieval/manorlife3.jpg)
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Post by: BEERxTaco on January 09, 2008, 08:35:07 AM
Unions exist to serve only one purpose, and that is to screw you over.

That seems like a pretty narrow view, not to mention completely false.   ::)
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Post by: BEERxTaco on January 09, 2008, 08:37:32 AM
(biggest union in the world?..the soviet union....failure!)

Thank you Dwight Schrute!  ;D

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Post by: torgosPizza on January 09, 2008, 08:42:01 AM
Unions exist to serve only one purpose, and that is to screw you over.

That seems like a pretty narrow view, not to mention completely false.   ::)

But, Isaac speaks the truth! Don't you see that? Does it scare you? Hmm? Little baby BEERxTaco want a ba-ba?

Title: Re: Wow, screw this guy.
Post by: Conor on January 09, 2008, 08:42:06 AM
Please, beerxtaco, (and others)  start your point by saying "Does it scare that I tell the truth instead of wallowing in hypocrisy? Do I scare you because I am intelligent?"


Otherwise, we'll just naturally assume it's worthless.

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Post by: dignan on January 09, 2008, 09:16:49 AM
I prefer wallowing in hypocrisy, to be honest.  Oink oink.


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Post by: Tripe on January 09, 2008, 09:45:25 AM
I vote we just go back to the feudal manor days when our lords the king would decide what is best for us.

(http://www.warrennet.org/wtsd/medieval/manorlife3.jpg)

Hey, it's the default political form of Human Kind. Kind of like how death at 35 is the default human lifespan.
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Post by: RoninFox on January 09, 2008, 01:08:42 PM
The unions are providing the third option of fighting it, and that's what the majority of the writers guild members opted to do.

No.  There is no third option.  One or the other.  It's a two party system.  Get real. GET REAL

I believe I'll vote for a third party candidate!
Title: Re: Wow, screw this guy.
Post by: Hebs on January 09, 2008, 02:14:23 PM
...

Why are some union writers allowed to negotiate deals that allow them to return to work? (United Artists & Letterman for example)

-Rude

I think it goes back to the principle that United Artists was founded on - Charlie Chaplin, Mary (oh geez I just forgot her name damnit) and her husband were really smart in keeping the directors and writers the ones who ran the show.  I think people like Buster Keaton who gave in to the studio system were just killed by it.

Maybe it's just part of UA's tradition that kept it from being owned by some conglomerate like Pepsi.  I'm not an expert, but I heard that it was in the 50s and 60s that the studio "families" were crumbling so they were bought out by companies and stuff - that's when movies started to get 'merchandized"

The unions are a great idea - they work in some instances, and don't in others (like the bus drivers who are on strike again here in my town and making it so the elderly can't get around anymore) - which makes me angry...

But in this instance, writers man, it's a tough life and they need all the help they can get.  They have kids, insurance... plenty of people are really hurting by this.
Title: Re: Wow, screw this guy.
Post by: homerjayla on January 09, 2008, 03:36:07 PM
Am I the only one happy that there's no Golden Globes this year?
Title: Re: Wow, screw this guy.
Post by: BEERxTaco on January 09, 2008, 04:08:54 PM
I think it goes back to the principle that United Artists was founded on - Charlie Chaplin, Mary (oh geez I just forgot her name damnit)

Pickford  ;)
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Post by: RoninFox on January 09, 2008, 04:17:16 PM
Am I the only one happy that there's no Golden Globes this year?

The word for me is indifferent.  Never watched them before so they never bothered me.  Didn't plan on watching them this year, so I'm not missing anything.
Title: Re: Wow, screw this guy.
Post by: RobtheBarbarian on January 09, 2008, 04:52:05 PM
Am I the only one happy that there's no Golden Globes this year?

The word for me is indifferent.  Never watched them before so they never bothered me.  Didn't plan on watching them this year, so I'm not missing anything.

Same here, but I'll admit to a grim, bitter satisfaction at seeing it derailed, even if it's only this once.
Title: Re: Wow, screw this guy.
Post by: Petey Wheatstraw on January 09, 2008, 05:34:45 PM
Naw, it's just so painful to see someone who's so very, very wrong and so confident that he's very, very right.

Well, I can tough it up. You, on the other hand, don't seem to realize who is wrong and who is right, and that is very painful to see.

Am I the only one happy that there's no Golden Globes this year?

The word for me is indifferent.  Never watched them before so they never bothered me.  Didn't plan on watching them this year, so I'm not missing anything.

Why do you think I'm talking about the damned unions...no, I don't particularly care about any awards shows, either. I find them boring and I don't really care whether they are as scheduled, or not.

But that still doesn't change the fact that unions are corrupt and are more harmful than they are helpful. If you claim otherwise, you are clueless.
Title: Re: Wow, screw this guy.
Post by: Petey Wheatstraw on January 09, 2008, 05:43:12 PM
Being against the union is not "19th century attitude". It's sane and rational.
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Post by: Petey Wheatstraw on January 09, 2008, 06:10:42 PM
No. They say "get that dinosaur out of the room before he gafoogles my monkey baby!" ;D
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Post by: FLOCK of RABID SHEEP?!?! on January 09, 2008, 06:35:56 PM
speaking as someone who is in a union, UFCW (United Farm and Commercial Workers), i would have to say that yes, unions can be both good and bad aspects, depending on the circumstance.  for instance, the last contract we had was not the best, but it was better than the one before and the current contract is better than that.  my pay has been increased as have a number of extra benefits and all i have to pay $9.50 a week and that is cheaper than buying insurance on my own and grants me some protection from being messed w/ by the big wigs...i'd say unions have their place but are still prone to corruption cause they are run by humans, funny thing that...
Title: Re: Wow, screw this guy.
Post by: RoninFox on January 09, 2008, 06:58:37 PM
See, there's a good point flock.

Humans have the capacity for good and evil and can be corrupt.  A union is not inherently corrupt, it depends on who is in charge.  If the majority of the union members approve of the actions of the union I think that's a good sign that its not trying to screw over the people, especially if it's over 90% of the members.
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Post by: FLOCK of RABID SHEEP?!?! on January 09, 2008, 07:03:20 PM
i would say over 75% would be a good sign because many (ahem, like me) are lazy and only complain about something big.
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Post by: Chaos on January 10, 2008, 10:31:22 AM
The reason that you are so often wrong, and so often unaware of it, Isaac, is because you have this crazy, college student mentality that BIG BUSINESS and GOVERNMENT and UNIONS are the problem. Your eyes are, if I may say, open SO wide, that you can't see anything at all. You have, in a sense, over-dilated your MIND.

The fundamental point that you fail to understand is that "the beast" is not a giant, faceless corporation. The beast is you, me, that quiet fat guy who never talks to anyone, and the scary red-headed overly chipper girl from HR. The beast is every single human being on the planet. We ALL have the capacity to do good things, to do bad things, to be greedy and corrupt. In fact, in many small ways, every single one of us is greedy and corrupt, even the best of us, because it is in our instinct to preserve our own life and well-being - at the cost of someone else's, if necessary. We are no different from any other species in terms of our will to survive... the only difference is that our intelligence has evolved enough to be pissed off about it when we see it in others (but conveniently ignore it in ourselves).

Unions are neither good, nor evil. They are a tool. PEOPLE are what makes them (and everything else) fallable and corrupt. A scalpel in the hands of a competent doctor can save a life. In the hands of a psychopath, that same scalpel can bring unimaginable pain and suffering. Do you blame the scalpel, or the man wielding it?
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Post by: BEERxTaco on January 10, 2008, 11:05:30 AM
we definitely need a 5 day waiting period for scalpels  ;)
Title: Re: Wow, screw this guy.
Post by: Hebs on January 10, 2008, 11:22:42 AM
I think it goes back to the principle that United Artists was founded on - Charlie Chaplin, Mary (oh geez I just forgot her name damnit)

Pickford  ;)

Thank you!  It was bothering me
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Post by: Natureboy on January 10, 2008, 12:07:01 PM
A scalpel in the hands of a competent doctor can save a life. In the hands of a psychopath, that same scalpel can bring unimaginable pain and suffering. Do you blame the scalpel, or the man weilding it?

That was pretty clever, you should write for the NRA, that is the best 2nd Ammendment argument I have read in a while.
Title: Re: Wow, screw this guy.
Post by: RoninFox on January 10, 2008, 01:28:36 PM
A scalpel in the hands of a competent doctor can save a life. In the hands of a psychopath, that same scalpel can bring unimaginable pain and suffering. Do you blame the scalpel, or the man weilding it?

That was pretty clever, you should write for the NRA, that is the best 2nd Ammendment argument I have read in a while.

Or it's an argument that only doctors should carry guns.   ;D

Seriously, it is a good point.  Well put Chaos.
Title: Re: Wow, screw this guy.
Post by: Cibernético II on January 10, 2008, 10:45:21 PM
What's the problem? Are scared that I may also contribute to this thread? Does it keep awake at night knowing that I can also hit the reply button and enter text of which will consist of empassioned opinion which I will present as concrete fact? Open you eyes man, I read newsletters! And I have bumper stickers that proudly shout my opinions to the world! The world, I say!
Title: Re: Wow, screw this guy.
Post by: RoninFox on January 10, 2008, 10:50:56 PM
Bumper stickers you say?  Well I'm convinced.  Lead on, my friend, your opinions are law as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by: FLOCK of RABID SHEEP?!?! on January 11, 2008, 09:46:25 PM
bumper stickers are the word of dog, i mean god.