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Title: Thoughts?
Post by: mrbasehart on November 01, 2006, 02:07:06 PM
I've just finished this rifftrax and I must say, it's another strong outing for Kevin and Mike.  There's much fun to be had with the racial riffs (particularly for the Viceroy's characters) and Jake Lloyd gets a bit of a working over too. 
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Post by: MontyServo on November 01, 2006, 02:08:52 PM
I just watched it and I have to say that this was easily the best Rifftrax yet!  And the riffing ranks right up there with the best that MST3K ever did.

Yes, they tear into Jar Jar and Anakin and Lucas and midichlorians!

I don't want to spoil any specific riffs, so I won't mention any of my favs.  I'll just say that it is non-stop funny from start to finish!  If you are on the fence about getting this one, hop off that fence and buy it already!  You won't regret it!

Also, I want to add that there is one riff that may be rendered pointless after the new version of this comes out next year where they replace the puppet Yoda with a CGI Yoda.  You'll understand what I'm talking about when you watch the Rifftrax.
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Post by: J-Proof on November 01, 2006, 02:14:36 PM
Being an Asian American, specifically Filipino, I must say that Mike and Kevin made me double over many a time with the Trade Fed riffing! In the first ten minutes, Torgos and I were rollin' in the invisible isles of the office!!

"Tora Tora!!"

I'm in the proccess of watching it all through right now - and I am totally enjoying it! My favorite yet! I hope we do seuqels soon!! (Cuz Ep Two REALLY sucks....) hehe
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Post by: LadyKenobi on November 01, 2006, 05:16:29 PM
I haven't even started watching it yet and I'm already sitting here cracking up at the chapter stops.

My very favorite is:
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25.   1:16:19..1:17:55..Some ball reports stuff to Darth Maul

Priceless.  Does Mike write these, or one of other staffers?
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Post by: JoshWay on November 01, 2006, 06:05:41 PM
Completely hilarious. I don't think I'm employing hyperbole when I say this is the funniest RiffTrax yet. Mike's growing frustration and lashings out at Jar Jar are gut-bustingly humorous.
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Post by: Megane67 on November 01, 2006, 06:29:23 PM
I usually listen to a track twice before reserving judgement but I'll take a chance this time and just say....

Thank you, Mike and Kevin, for giving this movie the thorough ass-kicking it so richly deserved.  I hadn't watched the entire thing in years and I didn't realize just how rough a ride it was when you don't skip to the final light saber sequence.  A few times I wondered if the hate was a little too much and at times I was even a little depressed to see the wasted potential of what Episode One could have been but as the tedium and my anger slowly grew, I found myself pretty much agreeing (and laughing) with everything you said and that helped a lot.  So, thanks again!

Sincerely,

Megane 6.7

P.S. Special kudos for the Psychonauts reference!  It was enjoyed.   :D
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Post by: torgosPizza on November 01, 2006, 06:43:25 PM
Priceless.  Does Mike write these, or one of other staffers?

Mike and Kevin all the way!
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Post by: LadyKenobi on November 01, 2006, 10:12:18 PM
By far my favorite team Rifftrax.  Great MST shout-outs to Barbed Wire and SidehackersBring on Ep II.  It's the only way our long national nightmare will be over.

What do you think, PenisHead?
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Post by: Rufus T on November 01, 2006, 11:13:05 PM
This rifftrax was friggin awesome! I'm betting the next one is Jurassic Park. I mean they've already trashed a Lucas movie. Why not move on down the road to a Spielberg movie? I like Jurassic Park. But I wouldn't mind seeing it riffed.
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Post by: Sheik Yerbouti on November 02, 2006, 01:20:23 AM
I'm so glad they got around to doing one of my top Rifftrax choices!  I've only watched the first couple of minutes so far, but I'd like to give a big THANK YOU to Mike and Kevin for adding the phrase "pants-crappingly insane" to my vocabulary!  I can't wait to see the rest of this one!  Few movies deserve it more.
Title: Re: Thoughts?
Post by: Msampo on November 02, 2006, 03:28:16 AM
Wow, great riff, and wow, does this movie ever have it coming.

Fave riffs:
"sign here..."
It's as if Roger Rabbit was redesigned by Satan.
Insane clown Sith!
"We also have a copier here that saves us $30 a month."
I thought Eli Wallach died!
"Yeah, but he lean back slightly and beep?"
Just squeeze an eye stalk!
Less action! More planning!
Lowly Worm is out for blood!
I think he just coughed up a half-digested kangaroo mouse!
He likes palpate various parts of your body. It's what he does.
:::coughhorseshitcough:::
"The robotic dung beetles have us, gentlemen."
"You...have...a big booger right there."

I'm sure the Sklar brothers are pleased they got a shout out.

Sampo (and now off to Mitchell, South Dakota!)
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Post by: Qrusher14242 on November 02, 2006, 03:44:43 AM
Man that was a great one. Up there with Star trek. I loved the lines about jar jar. Wonder when the next one with Bill will be
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Post by: dlobro1080 on November 02, 2006, 06:42:20 AM
That was the best Rifftrax.  Thanks Mike, Kev, and everyone.  Please do Ep 2.
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Post by: Heysie on November 02, 2006, 11:56:43 AM
I just watched it and I have to say that this was easily the best Rifftrax yet!  And the riffing ranks right up there with the best that MST3K ever did.

Yes, they tear into Jar Jar and Anakin and Lucas and midichlorians!

I don't want to spoil any specific riffs, so I won't mention any of my favs.  I'll just say that it is non-stop funny from start to finish!  If you are on the fence about getting this one, hop off that fence and buy it already!  You won't regret it!

Also, I want to add that there is one riff that may be rendered pointless after the new version of this comes out next year where they replace the puppet Yoda with a CGI Yoda.  You'll understand what I'm talking about when you watch the Rifftrax.

That's some mighty high praise there, Mr. Fan of the Month!  The best MSTs set the bar awfully high and I can't wait to see this! I've dreamt of it being torn to shreds for so long now...

Why in the world is there going to be a new version replacing the puppet with CGI? Given that this movie was a total disgrace to the franchise why are the bothering?   ::)   No need to answer, just asking in rhetorical wonderment...
Title: Re: Thoughts?
Post by: Tarantulas on November 02, 2006, 02:08:20 PM
The Yoda puppet has crack eyes.  It really needs to be fixed to match the rest of the prequels.  Or not.
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Post by: RaYzor on November 02, 2006, 03:17:13 PM
I am a big Star Wars fan.  However, Episode 1: The Phantom Menace really did let me down.  It was mostly Jar Jar and the Gungans, but also that annoying little brat that played Anakin.

Its nice to see that Mike and Kevin chose to get together and lambaste not only the films flaws (it does move pretty slow a lot of the time) but the most annoying character ever, Jar Jar, and his cohorts.

Great job guys!  I really couldn't stop laughing throughout it, especially the underwater part (when I have to view this movie, I normally get rid of 15 - 20 minutes of uselessness by skipping that part.  Makes it a much better movie!)

Just please tell me you won't touch the greatest film ever made, Episode 3: Revenge of the Sith  .... I don't think I could take it, hehehe.

However, even though it was a much better film than Episode 1... the movie Episode 2: Attack of the Clones could use a good asskicking for the love scenes at least.  Here's to hoping.

Thanks again!
RaYzor
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Post by: Tyrant on November 02, 2006, 04:23:21 PM

  WOW.

    That's all that really needs to be said.

   The Roger Rabbit being redesigned by Satan joke? BEST LINE EVER!!!

  Special thanks to Saucy for getting us this riff!! Thanks again, buddy. Pak and I are forever grateful.
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Post by: cropsy13 on November 02, 2006, 09:42:10 PM
"Nascar fans" had me rolling

I never realised untill watching with Rifftrax how much Talking parts there was (Dont know why).

Awsome Rifftrax
Title: Re: Thoughts?
Post by: AvestheFox on November 02, 2006, 11:53:37 PM
the Clown Princess jokes on Amadala were priceless
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Post by: Monty22001 on November 03, 2006, 12:36:29 AM
I actually like Episode 1 ok.  They got better with each one, but episode 2 still has some great riff potential. 

The riffing on Ep1 was great, and I'm glad Kevin's there.  He really helps the entire thing.  Thanks guys!
Title: Re: Thoughts?
Post by: dignan on November 03, 2006, 05:12:03 AM
"Less action, more planning!"  Ah, I love this Rifftrax.  Excellent job, guys!
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Post by: MontyServo on November 03, 2006, 05:52:30 AM
I actually like Episode 1 ok.  They got better with each one, but episode 2 still has some great riff potential. 

The riffing on Ep1 was great, and I'm glad Kevin's there.  He really helps the entire thing.  Thanks guys!

Welcome to the board.  I like your name.   ;D
Title: Re: Thoughts?
Post by: Digger Smolkin on November 03, 2006, 06:37:35 AM
Well, I guess I'm laying myself open for a big ol' smackdown here, but I have to confess that this is the first RiffTrax I haven't been able to finish. I got 30 minutes into it and had to switch it off, saddened that for the first time in MST3K history, the riffers did just sound like aggressive, obnoxious jerks who I just wished would either shut up or get thrown out of the movie theater.

Perhaps naively, I was cautiously looking forward to this RiffTrax, in the hope that maybe Mike and Kevin would have something fresh, or at least witty to contribute. I'm really disappointed that they rolled out the same tired old criticisms of the movie yet again, as though they'd just thought of them, and a million other people hadn't been making the exact same jokes for the last seven years.

Obviously there were a few worthwhile lines here and there - comparing Jar Jar to Roger Rabbit redesigned by Satan was good, but the whole air of nastiness about it made it hard for me to laugh.

Don't get me wrong, even as a Star Wars fan from way back, I know The Phantom Menace is an indefensible movie. But really, when you're charging people money to download these things, you have to make a bit more of an effort than just making retching noises - if that was all Mike and Kevin could come up with, maybe it was a bad idea to riff this movie in the first place.

Anyway, just figured I'd provide a little balance to show that this particular RiffTrax isn't universally loved. Flame away, folks; I'll be cowering over here behind my Jar Jar Binks doll.

(Oh, and so my first post to this forum isn't completely negative, I've loved all the RiffTrax so far - Star Trek V being a particular favourite ("So, babies come from a woman's naughty bits...."))
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Post by: TENEBRE on November 03, 2006, 06:57:43 AM
The lines about the underwater buffallo shots of Jar Jar Binks had me on the floor.
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Post by: eegah on November 03, 2006, 09:00:57 PM
I really enjoyed it. It almost made the movie bearable. It was very theraputic to see Jar-Jar get trashed. I also never realized how Japanese-ish those aliens sounded and laughed heartily whenever they made a joke about that. And all of the "less action, more talk"-type moments were priceless.

However, I thought that the Star Trek V rifftrax was slightly better. There were more insightful, clever riffs.

In fact, I now realize that Star Trek V movie itself, as bad as it was, is better than the three Star Wars prequels. That was kind of a shocking realization.
Title: Re: Thoughts?
Post by: badronald on November 04, 2006, 05:49:29 AM
I thought it was a fantastic addition to the Rifftrax canon - & a top choice to recommend to a Riffnoob.   I'm a casual SW fan so I had no strong feelings about the movie; I had only seen it once before, when it first came out & I really didn't remember it being so bad - especially the kid & queen AbbaDabba's "acting". 

Favorite LOL moment - "Look at this Numa Numa video"

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Post by: Minnesota on November 04, 2006, 12:19:13 PM
Awesome.
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Post by: BBQ Platypus on November 04, 2006, 02:20:50 PM
Absolutely hilarious - the funniest one I've seen (but that might change; I haven't seen all of them...yet).  Highlights:

Jar-Jar - They went beyond the obvious racial jokes (although they still included some) and really tore him a new one (assuming he had one to begin with)
All the commentary related to the stupid peripheral alien characters
The comparison of Quad-whatsisface to Droopy
"Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!"

...and that's just some of them.  I can't even NAME them all.  This movie DESERVED to be treated in a mean way.

(Just for the record, when I first saw this movie, I was 11, and I still thought it sucked.  Believe it or not, it wasn't Jar-Jar who pissed me off the most - it was the god-awful "performance" by Jake Lloyd, world's crappiest child actor).
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Post by: PlayMSTie on November 04, 2006, 02:36:17 PM
Jar-Jar - They went beyond the obvious racial jokes (although they still included some) and really tore him a new one (assuming he had one to begin with)


I agree with Kevin: Jar Jar is annoying on a metaphysical level.  ;D

Which one of the guys did the Droopy Dog voice? I couldn't tell. Hilarious!!  :D
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Post by: Winterkid on November 04, 2006, 02:45:22 PM
I loved it...  I laughed, I cried, I wet myself.... 

We need more rifftrax just like this.  Well, not EXACTLY like this, but of this quality.
Title: Re: Thoughts?
Post by: starfighter on November 04, 2006, 07:52:22 PM
  Excellent job. My favorite line was Kevin's observation about Padme and Anni, "..in the next film, they're humpin' like monkeys."
    Which leads me to ask the hardcore Wars fans, how did they explain Annikin's ageing between Ep.1 &2 compared to Amidala remaining the same actress??  George never actually thought Jake Lloyd would grow fast enough to be in "...Clones" did he?  Did the midichlorians cause Anni to age faster???  Should I care about any of this??
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Post by: ScottM on November 04, 2006, 08:53:55 PM
I feel very ambivalent toward this one.  

On the one hand it had some very incisive and deeply funny comments, the likes of which, in my opinion, have been lacking in many of the recent rifftrax.  

On the other hand, I agree with geoffwode that the commentary was often nasty, aggressive and obnoxious.  A lot of the time they seized on some rather petty flaws and hammered on them to no real comedic effect.  It seemed like they were just trying to be jerks.  

I also found disturbing the nearly 100 times they made reference to suicide during the film.  I mean, c'mon.  Yeah it's bad, but it's not that bad.  This kind of comment may have been funny on the SOL, where the premise was they were stuck in space, forced to watch these movies; but here it is just kind of sad.  And it is especially depressing if repeated ad nauseum through the course of the movie.  If you don't like the film, and can't think of anything funnier to say than "I want to die," then turn it off.  Go read a book or something.  Do something constructive...something that makes you feel good to be alive.

Also, I found this episode to be kind of disgusting.  The puking, the defecating noises, the frequent anal references; it was all a bit much for me.  Not that toilet humor can't be funny, if used in moderation.  For instance, in the MST3K episode, Riding with Death there is the comment "As soon as I get off the can, I'm gonna do something about this."  The character was sitting in such a manner that it looked like he was on the toilet.  This was particularly funny because it was making fun of the performance, and of how the director created a scene that just didn't look right.  And the toilet humor was used to great effect to point this out in an outrageous and unexpected way.  Though on the face of it it was just a crude potty joke, underneath it was subtle and complex, and very funny.  The toilet jokes in this Rifftrax, for the most part, have have no such underlying complexity.  They are puerile and unnecessary, worthy of a Married With Children episode.

In any case, despite it's rather frequent moments of brilliance, it wasn't something I would be proud to show my friends or family as representative of the kind of humor I enjoy.  Even for all its redeeming qualities, I still think it would be almost as embarrasing as rolling out an episode of South Park, or maybe one of those morning call-in shows that Mike is so fond of satirizing.

To sum up: in this Rifftrax, when Kevin and Mike were good, they were great, but when they were bad, they really made me kind of embarrassed to be watching.  Maybe I'll get out the audio editing software and delete about one-third of the comments on this one.  Then, despite some empty spaces, I think it would be pure gold.  Either way, I think I'll stay away from Rifftrax for a bit, and maybe start talking to my wife again...
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Post by: LadyKenobi on November 04, 2006, 09:30:15 PM
ScottM, you might want to join us in the "Were Mike and Kevin Too Harsh?" thread, where we're discussing some of these issues.
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Post by: Sharktopus on November 04, 2006, 10:23:39 PM
  Excellent job. My favorite line was Kevin's observation about Padme and Anni, "..in the next film, they're humpin' like monkeys."
    Which leads me to ask the hardcore Wars fans, how did they explain Annikin's ageing between Ep.1 &2 compared to Amidala remaining the same actress??  George never actually thought Jake Lloyd would grow fast enough to be in "...Clones" did he?  Did the midichlorians cause Anni to age faster???  Should I care about any of this??

I'm pretty sure George never intended for Jake Lloyd to play older Anakin. But as to the age difference, excuse my while I consult the IMDb... Okay, Jake was 10 at the time the movie was released, playing 9 year old Anakin, and Natalie Portman was 17, but Padme was meant to be 14, which is believable enough in the context of the movie. Episode II picks up 10 years later, so there's no way a now 13 year old Jake Lloyd could play Anakin at 19, but a now 20 year old Natalie Portman could easily play Padme at 24. It just comes down to young women having more versatility age-wise than boys, what with the fickle ways of puberty.
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Post by: IronPigeon on November 05, 2006, 11:30:07 AM
Well, I just watched this one last night and I have to say...this has to be my favorite so far. It was gourmet. Rifftrax at its finest. TPM got just what it deserved. To be savagely torn apart...repeatedly and with gusto. Nothing can be too harsh for this crime against humanity.

My favorite part had to be when kevin or mike commented that GL had video game marketting in mind when he wrote the pod race. This exactly what I was thinking as I watched it. It looks just like a damn video game.

That and the "Roger Rabbit redesigned by satan" line. That was pure gold.  :D
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Post by: Variety of Cells on November 05, 2006, 12:53:50 PM
Amazing.  I loved the Henry V reference.  Finally, a riff that I can be proud to be of the few who get. 
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Post by: Gibborino on November 05, 2006, 04:15:52 PM
My favorite lines:

Obi-Wan: Why do I sense that we've picked up another pathetic lifeform?
Kevin: Because that's all there is in this movie!

Mike: He looks like the guy the other Jedi go to when they need weed.

Mike: Of course, the Force tells him nothing about the sabotage.

Anakin's Friend: [sarcastic] Keep racing, Ani! C'mon guys, let's go play ball.
Kevin: Yes, ball is a lot cooler than high-performance driving.

Anakin: Did you come to free us?
Qui-Gon: I'm afraid not.
Kevin: Union rules and all.
Anakin: You must have. Why else would you have come here?
Mike: Eh, it's a prequel. We had no choice.
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Post by: Torgo's Helper on November 06, 2006, 11:13:02 AM
This installment contains my absolute favorite running riff so far:  the increasingly insensitive Chinese stereotype voices whenever the Trade Federation guys pop up.  We were literally on the floor laughing at this by the end.  Especially once we started to anticipate it.
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Post by: macimus on November 06, 2006, 02:57:32 PM
I know I'm in the minority here, but I was disappointed by this rifftrax.  Don?t get me wrong, there were definitely moments of pure comedic genius (the Gillette lightsaber reference), but I feel that these moments were few and far between.

The movie lacks plot.  We all get it.  Sure, make fun of it, but let?s see if we can go 5 minutes without hearing about it.

The acting is terrible.  But I think there?s more to riff on here than just bland commentary.  Make fun of how the characters are acting, not how obviously bad they are.

Yeah, the trade federation guys have absurd accents - just like they did at the beginning of the movie.  I remember that joke from the first time.

Once again, there were plenty of good riffs to be had in the movie, but I think there could have been so many more if less time was spent repeating jokes and simply stating the obvious cinematic flaws.

One last note:  it?s not that I think Mike and Kevin were too harsh (as another thread stipulates), I just think that they spent too much time simply talking about the movie instead of actually riffing on it.  It?s like riffing on ?Castaway? by simply commenting non-stop about the lack of dialogue ? there?s better material to be had.
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Post by: J-Proof on November 06, 2006, 03:02:00 PM
I know I'm in the minority here, but I was disappointed by this rifftrax.  Don?t get me wrong, there were definitely moments of pure comedic genius (the Gillette lightsaber reference), but I feel that these moments were few and far between.

The movie lacks plot.  We all get it.  Sure, make fun of it, but let?s see if we can go 5 minutes without hearing about it.

The acting is terrible.  But I think there?s more to riff on here than just bland commentary.  Make fun of how the characters are acting, not how obviously bad they are.

Yeah, the trade federation guys have absurd accents - just like they did at the beginning of the movie.  I remember that joke from the first time.

Once again, there were plenty of good riffs to be had in the movie, but I think there could have been so many more if less time was spent repeating jokes and simply stating the obvious cinematic flaws.

One last note:  it?s not that I think Mike and Kevin were too harsh (as another thread stipulates), I just think that they spent too much time simply talking about the movie instead of actually riffing on it.  It?s like riffing on ?Castaway? by simply commenting non-stop about the lack of dialogue ? there?s better material to be had.


=(
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Post by: gammer on November 07, 2006, 06:07:28 AM
gammer's "take" on Phatom Menace RiffTrax:
http://www3.sympatico.ca/inch77/rifftrax.htm
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Post by: kodiakthejuggler on November 07, 2006, 08:22:40 AM
I would rank this as my #2 Rifftrax so far.

It doesn't knock Star Trex V off the top for a couple reasons:

1. There were more moments in STV that I laughed myself sore,

2. Mike and Kevin spent a little too much time being harsh to Ep 1. instead of going for clever,

3. I was able to anticipate several of the riffs in Ep. 1. One of the great joys of MST3K/Rifftrax is hearing what they come up with. If I am able to anticipate the riff, it's not as funny. I'd rather be made to laugh 'till I hurt than just nod in agreement.


Anyhoo, this is spectacular! And this one is quickly becoming the "Big One" for the Rifftrax franchise. There have been more new members/posters for Ep. 1 than any other Rifftrax to date.
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Post by: Petey Wheatstraw on November 07, 2006, 10:16:05 AM
I bought the RiffTrax the day it came out, but I wasn't able to get a copy of the film itself until today. No, I didn't actually buy this piece of shit (bad enough being dragged to see it in the theaters - I don't even like Star Wars) -- my library's copy was checked out for a week. I sincerly hope that there's another RiffTrax fan living in my town. I have no idea who in their right minds would check out The Phantom Menace for the full time period unless they had bought Mike and Kevin's commentary (not even the hardcore nerds like this thing!). In any case, I'll post back after I've listened to the thing.

To make sure nobody at the library thought I was insane, I checked out a copy of David Lynch's Blue Velvet in addition to Episode 1. Actually, maybe this was so I'd have a movie I actually like to watch.
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Post by: Petey Wheatstraw on November 07, 2006, 01:26:34 PM
Okay, I've gotta say, this has to be the funniest RiffTrax yet. Great job, guys! 8)
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Post by: estwald on November 07, 2006, 05:22:02 PM
Favorite lines:

(Jar Jar sticks out his 3-foot tongue)
"Hmm, maybe that's why they keep him around?"

and

(Droid in tank looks out at the assembled army of Gungans)
"Rommel (droid voice) you magnificent bastard. I read your book."


Overall I loved this track. I was hoping that they'd notice one problem I'd always had with the movie, which is that many times Qui Gon is using the jedi mind trick just to help himself (get a boat from the head Gungan, trick Watto into accpeting currency that's no good to him, cheat on the dice roll, etc) But then when the mind trick could actually help them save Naboo, he gets all pious and refuses to use it. What gives?
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Post by: LadyKenobi on November 07, 2006, 06:13:06 PM
The bud was wearin' off, dude.
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Post by: Sharktopus on November 08, 2006, 11:36:29 AM
"Okay, macchiato for the young fella and a decaf for the old hippie." I fell off the couch. I dunno why I never noticed how much Gui-Gon looks like that guy at every Dead show with the elaborate taping setup.
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Post by: Inv8r_BILLY on November 08, 2006, 01:21:27 PM
Hmmm...torn about this one.  On the one hand, this film, one of the biggest cinematic dissapointments ever, DESPERATELY needed to be done.   The big problem with this film is that it's incredibly long, tedious, talky, and has a dull, convoluted, and ill-portrayed plot.  That being said, and god love Mike and Kevin for sitting through it however many times the writing took, it seemed like this really drifted into Beavis and Buthead territory with the commentary; the VAST majority of the track basically boiled down to "This Sucks", with few actual observations about what was happening onscreen.  Again, maybe this is becuase nothing much WAS happening onscreen.  Some of the complaints just made no damn sense (near constant bitching about CG effects as a running thing just pisses me off - would they rather have been sitting through a rubber monster movie?  Tiny, obvious models exploding?  It's effect work, and truth be told, for '99, some of the very best that had been done).  There just seemed to be so much sputtering malice toward the film that I couldn't help but keep thinking that if angry, semi-coherrant fanboys had recorded this track, it would have sounded much the same.  I dunno, maybe they should have just written this movie off as not do-able, or maybe this is where we should have heard Mike, Kevin AND Bill on the same track together.  Three Riffs are better than one, I always say...
Title: Re: Thoughts?
Post by: Sharktopus on November 08, 2006, 10:00:20 PM
I dunno, maybe they should have just written this movie off as not do-able, or maybe this is where we should have heard Mike, Kevin AND Bill on the same track together.  Three Riffs are better than one, I always say...

Agreed. I think the inclusion of Bill might just have led to perfection.
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Post by: Conor on November 09, 2006, 08:25:14 AM
There just seemed to be so much sputtering malice toward the film that I couldn't help but keep thinking that if angry, semi-coherrant fanboys had recorded this track, it would have sounded much the same.

Au contraire.  Please examine the following semi coherent fanboy track in order to properly differentiate between the two:

http://www.quickstopentertainment.com/?p=1468 (http://www.quickstopentertainment.com/?p=1468)
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Post by: jedi2187 on November 10, 2006, 09:44:37 AM
There just seemed to be so much sputtering malice toward the film that I couldn't help but keep thinking that if angry, semi-coherrant fanboys had recorded this track, it would have sounded much the same.

Au contraire.  Please examine the following semi coherent fanboy track in order to properly differentiate between the two:

http://www.quickstopentertainment.com/?p=1468 (http://www.quickstopentertainment.com/?p=1468)


Listening to the first 5 minutes of the QS's podtrack, it sounds like a cross between deconstructing the movie and also the entire prequel trilogy. But this is their first, so I'm looking a little forward to other movies they'll review....
Title: Re: Thoughts?
Post by: Variety of Cells on November 10, 2006, 11:13:20 AM
There just seemed to be so much sputtering malice toward the film that I couldn't help but keep thinking that if angry, semi-coherrant fanboys had recorded this track, it would have sounded much the same.

Au contraire.  Please examine the following semi coherent fanboy track in order to properly differentiate between the two:

http://www.quickstopentertainment.com/?p=1468 (http://www.quickstopentertainment.com/?p=1468)


Wow, they are angry.  Mike does seem quite reserved in comparison.  At first I felt like they were infringing on Rifftrax territory, but it's different enough.  Mike makes an effort to be entertaining and funny.  This is just complaining.  Which is good if you really hate the movie I guess.
Title: Re: Thoughts?
Post by: SaucyRossy on November 12, 2006, 08:24:45 PM

  WOW.

    That's all that really needs to be said.

   The Roger Rabbit being redesigned by Satan joke? BEST LINE EVER!!!

  Special thanks to Saucy for getting us this riff!! Thanks again, buddy. Pak and I are forever grateful.
No problemo! I am big fan of the game Pac Man so you know...
Title: Re: Thoughts?
Post by: SaucyRossy on November 12, 2006, 08:30:28 PM
As for my thoughts about this rifftrax.

A+ probably in my top three now...

I loved when Kevin called Qui gon a "stupid Ninja" for not realizing that Padme was the queen....so awesome.

Great job guys!
Title: Re: Thoughts?
Post by: Teaflax on November 13, 2006, 10:29:58 AM
(first post, so; hiya)

This was the first Rifftrack I watched (I've also downloaded The Matrix and Trek V, just need to get around to renting or borrowing the damned movies from someone).

My opinion is sort of an amalgam of all of the above; while I thought it was wonderful to hear two MST3K voices back and there were some absolutely killer lines and observations, I could have done without the unimaginative parts of the Jar Jar-bashing, the scatology, the retching and the suicidal tendencies.

What I found a little jarring was the combination of the old SoL attitude of "What the hell is this?/I can't belive we have to watch this" with real-world Kevin and Mike obviously having seen the movie before and being aware of its background and creation.

On the whole, I'm positive. The complaints I mention above are minor niggles on the whole, and I'm really, really glad to see the guys back in action, both here and with the upcoming Film Crew DVD's.

It was great to hear a mention of the Norwegian puppet movie (and 70's children mainstay here in Sweden)  Fl?klypa Grand Prix (guys, if you ever have to mention it again for some reason, that first word is "Flow Kleepa"), because I remember thinking exactly that when I first saw Ep. 1 in the theater.

Maybe I'll go rent Trek V now...
Title: Re: Thoughts?
Post by: BathTub on November 13, 2006, 11:06:30 AM
Welcome to rifftrax Teaflax!

The Norwegian puppet movie was real?

Both Matrix and STV have a little bit of 'this movie sucks' bashing in them, Matrix more so than STV, but neither to the sort of extreme anger level seen in SWEp1 ;)  Hope you enjoy STV, it's my favourite.
Title: Re: Thoughts?
Post by: Teaflax on November 13, 2006, 12:49:06 PM
Welcome to rifftrax Teaflax!

Thankee. As long-time MST3K fan and fervent evangelist (I just wrote a piece on MST3K/RiffTrax/Film Crew for a Swedish humor site), it's a bit like coming home.

The Norwegian puppet movie was real?

Indeed it was (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fl%C3%A5klypa_Grand_Prix). There was even a computer game released around the turn of the century.

Haven't seen the film in ages, but I remember it fondly, as does pretty much everyone in my age bracket (that would be around 40) here in Sweden.

Both Matrix and STV have a little bit of 'this movie sucks' bashing in them, Matrix more so than STV, but neither to the sort of extreme anger level seen in SWEp1 ;)  Hope you enjoy STV, it's my favourite.

I'm sure I will enjoy it. It's such a treat to finally have mainstream movies dissected and dismembered by the pros. I'm a bit wary of the Matrix one, though, because there's something about solo riffing that just strikes me as wrong. When there are two (or more) people involved, it's kind of like they're doing it for each other's benefit, and you lose that with one...or at least so I imagine (previous speculation based on viewing of 30 second excerpt from Roadhouse riff).
Title: Re: Thoughts?
Post by: BathTub on November 13, 2006, 01:05:07 PM
*pssst* The Matrix is Mike and Kevin....


Title: Re: Thoughts?
Post by: Sharktopus on November 13, 2006, 02:34:21 PM
What I found a little jarring was the combination of the old SoL attitude of "What the hell is this?/I can't belive we have to watch this" with real-world Kevin and Mike obviously having seen the movie before and being aware of its background and creation.

I felt the same way. The faux "What is this?" attitude is a little weird when they make no secret of already being familiar with the movie. At least on MST3K they pretended it was their first viewing, even though they'd watched the movie numerous times to write the show. And I could live without the retching too. A little too realistic, Kev.
Title: Re: Thoughts?
Post by: Teaflax on November 13, 2006, 05:07:11 PM
*pssst* The Matrix is Mike and Kevin....
Yay!
Title: Re: Thoughts?
Post by: darthvedder81 on November 16, 2006, 10:12:03 AM
Welcome to rifftrax Teaflax!

The Norwegian puppet movie was real?

Both Matrix and STV have a little bit of 'this movie sucks' bashing in them, Matrix more so than STV, but neither to the sort of extreme anger level seen in SWEp1 ;)  Hope you enjoy STV, it's my favourite.

That's what bothered me most about the rifftrack. The anger seemed feigned and forced. I think that has to do with Star Wars being such a huge target?nobody gives a crap about "Star Trek V" or "Pont Break" but Star Wars because of it's status in pop culture generates a lot more emotion.

TPM may not be great but it's silly to call it the worst or most unendurable movie ever. To put it another  way: I don't like "Matrix" "X-Men" or LOTR but I wouldn't call them terrible on the level of "Crossroads" or "Road House" either.
Title: Re: Thoughts?
Post by: darthvedder81 on November 16, 2006, 10:22:56 AM
There just seemed to be so much sputtering malice toward the film that I couldn't help but keep thinking that if angry, semi-coherrant fanboys had recorded this track, it would have sounded much the same.

Au contraire.  Please examine the following semi coherent fanboy track in order to properly differentiate between the two:

http://www.quickstopentertainment.com/?p=1468 (http://www.quickstopentertainment.com/?p=1468)


What the hell? Why would anyone want to listen to these two goons running their mouths off for two hours nitpicking every detail in the film? A new wave of whiney fanboy soundtracks? I can't think of any reason why I'd want to endure that?even if I did hate a movie.
Title: Re: Thoughts?
Post by: Winterkid on November 16, 2006, 03:37:42 PM
Yeah, I could make my own commentary about crap I don't like about the movie thanks.  Not to mention that I can come up with new stuff every time.
Title: Re: Thoughts?
Post by: Minnesota on November 17, 2006, 08:32:55 PM
Its true that you guys are entitled to your opinions, but at the same time, saying that "I could've done this myself" is wayyy too harsh.

This is professional comedy at its best. Awesome riff track  8)

Title: Re: Thoughts?
Post by: Winterkid on November 18, 2006, 01:52:32 AM
I meant I could make a commentary about stuff that sucks about the movie.  Personally I would prefer a rifftrax or a FUNNY commentary.  No one wants to hear negativity without comedy.  At least when Mike and Kevin ripped SW:E1 a new one, they made it funny.  The fanboy commentaries where they criticize are just negative and depressing.  Not cause I dislike what they did, but I have better things to do with my time...  like buy more rifftrax, and DVD's to go with.

So my point?
Fanboy critique commentary = SUCKS
Rifftrax commentary = RULES
Title: Re: Thoughts?
Post by: Inv8r_BILLY on November 18, 2006, 10:02:43 PM
"This is professional comedy at its best"
Meh, I still disagree...these are some of the best comic writers and performers of our generation working, but wwwaaaAAAAAAAAYyyyyy far from their best work.  Again, ABSOLUTELY no disrespect to Mr.s Nelson and Murphy (good God, it's good to hear new stuff from them!), whose body of work is the reason the VAST majority of us are here, but maybe this movie was simply unwatchable.  They made that call every show on MST3K; whatever film they comment on, it still has to watchable on some level, and perhaps TPM simply is too horrible to contemplate as entertainment, in any form.
Title: Re: Thoughts?
Post by: J-Proof on November 20, 2006, 09:32:33 AM
Perhaps those people who didn't like the Star Wars Riff are too defensive of the creation that Star Wars has become, and are not focusing on the simple movie-quality of TPM.

Is the SW universe sweet-awesome? Absolutely. I've wanted to be a jedi since third grade. But was TPM a movie worth riffing simply because of its bad-good-movie quality? I definitely think so. Look at the riff as a riff for a movie that was over-budgeted and crazy, and not a riff on the SW universe itself.
Title: Re: Thoughts?
Post by: LadyKenobi on November 20, 2006, 02:37:37 PM
Well, for me, that's not why I didn't like it as much as I thought I would.  I really don't mind SW universe riffing at all; do it myself, as a matter of fact.  I just thought this Rifftrax focused over and over again on the perception that the movie sucked, not what was happening on the screen at the moment.  (There was also a bit too much lowbrow humor as well, IMHO.)

But that doesn't mean that I can't wait for them to do Eps II and III.  There was plenty in there that I DID find funny.
Title: Re: Thoughts?
Post by: SecretAgentSuperDragon on November 22, 2006, 12:39:31 AM
Oh man was this a good one. In top 2 - with a bullet. So many good lines. Loved the 2nd amendment Tusken Raiders, and the obscene sounds uttered by the "John Goodman" gungan, and then Mike mimicking it was freaking hilarious. All the Rasta-Jar Jar and Asian-Viceroy jokes were great.
Just an awesome one guys keep it up. I'll let you know what I think about LOTR in the morning.
Title: Re: Thoughts?
Post by: Nunyerbiz on December 07, 2006, 08:40:34 PM

Wow. Never have I seen a movie so completely destroyed. My god, Mike was simply merciless.

Is there anything else to say?
Title: Re: Thoughts?
Post by: Electric_Nachos on February 12, 2007, 12:02:53 AM
It was funny and cruel in the way it needed to be, but I don't think I'll be taking it out to watch again on a lazy afternoon...OR ever.
Not because of the rifftrax but because nothing  NOTHING in this world could force me to watch Jar Jar  again. 

I know I went to  see it in the theaters but I must have blocked it out, or it just left a blank because there was no content whatsoever.

I think  Rifftrax have something better going with movies that are actually slightly endurable.  I mean, I love making fun of movies that are bad, but seeing this film again made me realize just how much denial I was in about its ferociously interminable ineptitude.  There was nothing really for them to play off of.  It's a  DOA film.
yeah. wow.

I'm still in shock.
Title: Re: Thoughts?
Post by: DeadlyCinema on March 02, 2007, 04:13:24 PM
Great Rifftrax. I saw this film twice at the theater (sigh, it's true), and Mike/Kevin's exacted revenge was carthartic in more ways than one. Two more "Star Wars" to go and the planets will align.

Matthew
myspace.com/deadlycinema
Title: Re: Thoughts?
Post by: The Tick on April 02, 2007, 10:08:04 AM
Im sorry to say that this has to be my least fav rifftrax.  i was really exited about this one cuz i hated sw1 so i expected it to be hilarious  but this was a big let down. i mean it was all jokes ive been hearing forever and lost their funny way too long ago and the stuff that i havent herd b4 was just bland or plain mean. so this it two thumbs way down from the tick.  :-",
Title: Re: Thoughts?
Post by: timechaser on April 02, 2007, 03:31:44 PM
I'm amazed at what a few years can do on a person's perspective. When I saw this movie for the first time in theaters I genuinely liked it, but now that I watch it a second time, today older and wiser in the ways of crap movies, I cannot abide this atrocious flick. The rifftrax made my day though, well done on the 'throwing up whenever Jar Jar speaks' gag when they were underwater.
Title: Re: Thoughts?
Post by: Wild Eep on June 08, 2007, 09:48:18 PM
I was a little disappointed in this one.  A lot of the cracks were really repetitive, and got pretty stale by the time the movie was over.  I mean, the chinese-food jokes were funny once, maybe twice.  Likewise for the jokes on the stupid character names and "Naboo."   I thought Episode 2 was a much better Riff.
Title: Re: Thoughts?
Post by: Daezarkian on September 21, 2007, 10:13:07 AM
This is the 3rd Rifftrax I've viewed (after "Star Trek VI" and "The Matrix"), and I have to admit that this has been my least favorite so far.  While I found the "slamming -Lucas' racial slams" and the silly Star Wars name jokes funny, there were just too few truly humorous moments for such a long and, overall, very boring film.  I still won't give this one a bad rating, as I did walk away with a smile on my face, but the Riffers' treatment of this one definately paled in comparison to the two I'd seen.  (Lucky for me, the next Riff I saw more than made up for my disappointments with "Episode 1"...)