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Title: Rifftrax Book Club
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on November 24, 2007, 02:44:44 PM
Anybody interested in joining together to read books and discuss them?
One book a month?  Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm?
Title: Re: Rifftrax Book Club
Post by: anais.jude on November 24, 2007, 08:15:58 PM
I would love that, and I will make Dalty join too!
so that is three!
Title: Re: Rifftrax Book Club
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on November 24, 2007, 10:21:04 PM
Cool, that's a good start.
Title: Re: Rifftrax Book Club
Post by: daltysmilth on November 24, 2007, 10:26:44 PM
Okay, because anais.jude forced me into it at gunpoint, I'll join.  (Although I later found out the "gun" was just her finger.)  Anyway, we both agree that Dune should be the first book.
Title: Re: Rifftrax Book Club
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on November 24, 2007, 10:27:58 PM
Have you guys read it yet?  I haven't.
Title: Re: Rifftrax Book Club
Post by: Ortega on November 24, 2007, 10:31:44 PM
I read that book at least once every year......
Title: Re: Rifftrax Book Club
Post by: anais.jude on November 25, 2007, 09:31:44 AM
I read it a long time ago, and I was planning on reading it again. So now is as good a time as any.
Title: Re: Rifftrax Book Club
Post by: Kzinistzerg on November 25, 2007, 11:13:39 AM
Heh, book club? Well if you do Dune i've already read it a good five times...
Title: Re: Rifftrax Book Club
Post by: mrbasehart on November 25, 2007, 02:00:37 PM
I've read Dune before, too, though I'm really sucky at reading when I'm at home.  I usually do it on the train, or when I'm at work.
Title: Re: Rifftrax Book Club
Post by: anais.jude on November 25, 2007, 03:07:05 PM
well do the people who have already read Dune object to reading it again.
Mr.basehart, do you think you will have enough time to read it in a month?

bettertommorrowamy, can i be VP?
Title: Re: Rifftrax Book Club
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on November 25, 2007, 03:12:10 PM
You can be Vice-President to the President, Dwight!
Title: Re: Rifftrax Book Club
Post by: anais.jude on November 25, 2007, 04:06:25 PM
yes michael, whatever you say!
Title: Re: Rifftrax Book Club
Post by: Tripe on November 25, 2007, 07:42:02 PM
Sure might be ok, but since everyone appears to have read Dune, it might be better to read something else.
Title: Re: Rifftrax Book Club
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on November 25, 2007, 08:23:49 PM
Exactly what I was thinking.  Maybe we should all throw out suggestions.  I was kind of hoping for something other than sci-fi, but that's not to say sci-fi wouldn't be a good book choice sometimes.
Title: Re: Rifftrax Book Club
Post by: anais.jude on November 25, 2007, 08:29:33 PM
i am up for suggestions
but as assistant to the regional manager i, have no power.
what do you guys suggest
Title: Re: Rifftrax Book Club
Post by: FLOCK of RABID SHEEP?!?! on November 25, 2007, 08:47:03 PM
i'm down for reading dune...maybe next month we can read the first book of stephen king's dark tower series, i believe it's called the gunslinger ...
Title: Re: Rifftrax Book Club
Post by: daltysmilth on November 25, 2007, 09:07:09 PM
I'm still voting for Dune, because I've never read it. 
Title: Re: Rifftrax Book Club
Post by: AmandaGal on November 25, 2007, 09:10:42 PM
I'd read.  I don't know about Dune though.  I've never read it nor have I wanted to.  I might give it a whirl.
Title: Re: Rifftrax Book Club
Post by: FLOCK of RABID SHEEP?!?! on November 25, 2007, 09:17:14 PM
i've read dune at least 2 times as well as the entire dune series by frank herbert...another choice could be something by kurt vonnigut, jr....
Title: Re: Rifftrax Book Club
Post by: anais.jude on November 25, 2007, 09:18:22 PM
i would be down with some vonnegut. we need BTA to pick a book for us so we can start reading!

what about mike nelson's books? iam getting those in the mail as we speak
Title: Re: Rifftrax Book Club
Post by: AmandaGal on November 25, 2007, 09:29:58 PM
Mike Nelson's books, I'm sorry to say, don't have a whole lot of deep themes to discuss  ;)
Title: Re: Rifftrax Book Club
Post by: anais.jude on November 25, 2007, 09:34:36 PM
that is true. What do you reccomend AmandaGal?



100 posts!!!!!!!!!! Woo Whoo!
Title: Re: Rifftrax Book Club
Post by: AmandaGal on November 25, 2007, 10:53:20 PM
We should eventually do Hitchiker's Guide, 'cause everyone here has read it at least once.  I like Vonnegut but I don't know what to suggest (Slaughterhouse Five is one of the reasons I don't eat meat.)  I've never read it, but I want to read "Northern Lights" due to all the Christians telling me I shouldn't go see the Golden Compass because it's evil.  I think it may be a kid's book though.

We could read Carl Sagan's Contact.  I like the idea of reading a book that's been bastardized by a movie so Dune might work (like I said, I haven't read it).  Most books would.  Jurassic Park is a fun book, for example.

Congrats on 100 posts!!
Title: Re: Rifftrax Book Club
Post by: Dim of the Yard on November 25, 2007, 11:20:27 PM
I like the idea of reading a book that's been bastardized by a movie so Dune might work (like I said, I haven't read it).  Most books would.

As long as you guys decide to stay away from Eragon, I'll be with you 100% on this one, if this is the route to take.  If not, I'll be there about 76%.  Ish.
Title: Re: Rifftrax Book Club
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on November 26, 2007, 02:02:41 AM
Alright, so....

1.  Dune
2.  Northern Lights
3.  Contact (I've read it)  ....I would recommend "The Dragons of Eden" by Sagan instead
4.  Eragon (just kidding) ~vomits in mouth~
5.  Kurt Vonnegut (which I would be totally down for)
6.  Stephen King

I'd like some more input, but I think something that is a little deeper would lead to much more interesting discussion, which is the whole point of a book club.  Plus I would like the book to be something that either no one has read, or something that people wouldn't mind reading over again.

I would suggest:

1.  Kurt Vonnegut (anything)
2.  "Burmese Days by George Orwell
3.  The Transmigration of Timothy Archer by Phillip K. Dick

and actually I'm leaning towards 3....here is a synopsis:

It is the story of Timothy Archer, an urbane Episcopal bishop haunted by the suicides of his son and mistress--and driven by them into a bizarre quest for the identity of Christ.

Please, give us more suggestions!  I could narrow it down to five from previous suggestions, and any other future suggestions.  Then we could vote on those last five via a poll in another thread.  (Or anais.jude and I could play President and Vice President, and unilaterally decide the future of the book club.  Basically I could put all the power in my Vice-President's hands, and I could be her cheerleader.)  So, give me more suggestions and tuesday night we will vote on five that stand out amongst the rest.




Title: Re: Rifftrax Book Club
Post by: Tripe on November 26, 2007, 05:48:37 AM
I'd be OK with the Orwell or the Dick (more for the Orwell frankly as I've not read that one) but here are some other suggestions:

(http://cepag.all2all.org/pn/apps/pnupcase/images/culture/suite.jpg)
From Publishers Weekly
Starred Review. Celebrated in pre-WWII France for her bestselling fiction, the Jewish Russian-born Némirovsky was shipped to Auschwitz in the summer of 1942, months after this long-lost masterwork was composed. Némirovsky, a convert to Catholicism, began a planned five-novel cycle as Nazi forces overran northern France in 1940. This gripping "suite," collecting the first two unpolished but wondrously literary sections of a work cut short, have surfaced more than six decades after her death. The first, "Storm in June," chronicles the connecting lives of a disparate clutch of Parisians, among them a snobbish author, a venal banker, a noble priest shepherding churlish orphans, a foppish aesthete and a loving lower-class couple, all fleeing city comforts for the chaotic countryside, mere hours ahead of the advancing Germans. The second, "Dolce," set in 1941 in a farming village under German occupation, tells how peasant farmers, their pretty daughters and petit bourgeois collaborationists coexisted with their Nazi rulers. In a workbook entry penned just weeks before her arrest, Némirovsky noted that her goal was to describe "daily life, the emotional life and especially the comedy it provides." This heroic work does just that, by focusing—with compassion and clarity—on individual human dramas. (Apr. 18)

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Wikipedia
Gordon Comstock is a well-educated and reasonably intelligent young man possessed of a minor talent for writing. He has 'declared war' on what he sees as an overarching dependence on money by leaving a promising job as a copywriter for an advertising company called "New Albion" and taking a low-paying job instead, ostensibly so he can write poetry. The "war" (and the poetry), however, aren't going particularly well and, under the stress of his self-imposed exile from affluence, Gordon has become absurd, petty and deeply neurotic

(http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/images/n26/n130270.jpg)
Amazon.com
In his breathtaking and powerful novel that garnered nominations for both the National Book Award and the PEN/Faulkner Award, Madison Smartt Bell leaves the dark contemporary world he has so brilliantly made his own in nine previously acclaimed novels and short story collections, such as Save Me, Joe Louis. Now he turns to the past and brings viscerally to life the slave rebellion that would bring an end to the white rule of Haiti in the late eighteenth century.

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Wikipedia
The plot begins when Robert Forester, the central character of the book, moves to a small town in Pennsylvania to escape from his ex-wife and city life in New York. He takes solace in secretly watching a young woman in her house through the window in her kitchen.

Title: Re: Rifftrax Book Club
Post by: anais.jude on November 26, 2007, 08:40:01 AM
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(Or anais.jude and I could play President and Vice President, and unilaterally decide the future of the book club.  Basically I could put all the power in my Vice-President's hands, and I could be her cheerleader.)


BTA, as assistant regional manager (assistant to the regional manager) I think a vote would be best, but another possibility would be that we have everyone's name and one person picks the book for the month. That way we can all get a taste of different books. You, BTA, would be pick the first month, I would pick the second, dalty third (in order of who expressed interest)

but def. a poll for the first month.

would you wear a cheerleader outift?
Title: Re: Rifftrax Book Club
Post by: AmandaGal on November 26, 2007, 09:01:32 AM
I'd just make you guys read Tristram Shandy if you let everyone pick a book, heh.
Title: Re: Rifftrax Book Club
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on November 26, 2007, 09:06:18 AM
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(Or anais.jude and I could play President and Vice President, and unilaterally decide the future of the book club.  Basically I could put all the power in my Vice-President's hands, and I could be her cheerleader.)


BTA, as assistant regional manager (assistant to the regional manager) I think a vote would be best, but another possibility would be that we have everyone's name and one person picks the book for the month. That way we can all get a taste of different books. You, BTA, would be pick the first month, I would pick the second, dalty third (in order of who expressed interest)

but def. a poll for the first month.

would you wear a cheerleader outift?

Ok then, we will have a poll for the first month's book.  I will make a list of 5 books to choose from and post a link here:

http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php/topic,6201.msg174145.html#msg174145 (http://forum.rifftrax.com/index.php/topic,6201.msg174145.html#msg174145)

I'll also have a poll to decide whether I should wear a cheerleader outfit later.

Then I guess we will have members decide the next book in the order that they posted in this thread.
Title: Re: Rifftrax Book Club
Post by: Tripe on November 26, 2007, 09:14:08 AM
I'd just make you guys read Tristram Shandy if you let everyone pick a book, heh.

Fine by me, I love that book.
Title: Re: Rifftrax Book Club
Post by: AmandaGal on November 26, 2007, 09:16:37 AM
I'd just make you guys read Tristram Shandy if you let everyone pick a book, heh.

Fine by me, I love that book.

For real? I love it too but every time I tell someone to read it, they don't get it.  Troglodytes.
Title: Re: Rifftrax Book Club
Post by: Tripe on November 26, 2007, 09:19:37 AM
I'd just make you guys read Tristram Shandy if you let everyone pick a book, heh.
Fine by me, I love that book.
For real? I love it too but every time I tell someone to read it, they don't get it.  Troglodytes.

Yes, for real; it's a spectacular achievement and created Metafiction before anyone else had even considered doing similar.

I still haven't seen the film. People tend to criticism it for as far as I can see, being true to the spirit of the book.

Oh and a book clun doesn't have to stick to fiction. How about this one:

(http://www.profilebooks.co.uk/images/titles/t90.jpg)
Title: Re: Rifftrax Book Club
Post by: anais.jude on November 26, 2007, 10:04:07 AM
I'd just make you guys read Tristram Shandy if you let everyone pick a book, heh.

Fine by me, I love that book.

For real? I love it too but every time I tell someone to read it, they don't get it.  Troglodytes.

See, that is exactly why members should pick, so we all get to read books we wouldn't normally read!
Title: Re: Rifftrax Book Club
Post by: Tripe on November 26, 2007, 12:04:16 PM
Oh and this is another suggestion I'd make:
(http://www.randomhouse.com/images/dyn/cover/?source=9780679410461&height=300&maxwidth=170)
In that edition.
Title: Re: Rifftrax Book Club
Post by: AmandaGal on November 26, 2007, 12:36:27 PM
If we want really deep reading, Mein Kampf is pretty interesting (for some reason's Tripe's suggestion reminded me of that).
Title: Re: Rifftrax Book Club
Post by: Tripe on November 26, 2007, 12:37:26 PM
Ooh I'll be passing on that one. :speechless:

And Bulgakov would be horrified.
Title: Re: Rifftrax Book Club
Post by: Kzinistzerg on November 26, 2007, 12:50:07 PM
I vote in Ringworld for book-readins. Quite a nice book, especially for anyone who liked Halo...
Title: Re: Rifftrax Book Club
Post by: jewishcarpenter on November 26, 2007, 02:57:37 PM
I tried to read Naked Lunch and all that damned lingo hurt my brain so bad I couldn't get through it. Now I have "Paris Hilton eye" on my left eyelid, just because of that book.
Title: Re: Rifftrax Book Club
Post by: anais.jude on November 26, 2007, 05:41:45 PM
Oh and this is another suggestion I'd make:
(http://www.randomhouse.com/images/dyn/cover/?source=9780679410461&height=300&maxwidth=170)
In that edition.

that would be a great one to read. i read that for my utopian spaces in eastern european literature class.
Title: Re: Rifftrax Book Club
Post by: Tripe on November 26, 2007, 07:19:41 PM
It's a spectacular book and I mentioned it above another of his due to ease of availability, but I'd also say Heart of a Dog is worth reading too.
Title: Re: Rifftrax Book Club
Post by: anais.jude on November 27, 2007, 01:57:02 PM
I vote in Ringworld for book-readins. Quite a nice book, especially for anyone who liked Halo...

was ist das? (what is that)
Title: Re: Rifftrax Book Club
Post by: FLOCK of RABID SHEEP?!?! on November 27, 2007, 05:15:35 PM
i first thought of terry pratchett when ring world was mentioned but that would be disc world...ringworld is another good sci-fi setting, though i have only read one of the books quite a while ago...
Title: Re: Rifftrax Book Club
Post by: daltysmilth on November 27, 2007, 09:07:57 PM
I'm getting bored just reading the TITLES of some of the books suggested so far.  I'm not suggesting we should read... I don't know, something out of the Sweet Valley High series or whatever, but can we please pick something that you don't have to be an English major just to understand the summary on the back of the book?

And just at random, I'm going to suggest Bram Stoker's Dracula.
Title: Re: Rifftrax Book Club
Post by: FLOCK of RABID SHEEP?!?! on November 28, 2007, 12:09:20 PM
like that wasn't a boring book that an english major probably had to read, hehehe
Title: Re: Rifftrax Book Club
Post by: Tripe on November 28, 2007, 12:14:48 PM
I like Stokers other works like The Jewel of Seven Stars or The Lair of the White Worm

After a little checking, both of which  are available from Project Gutenberg.
Title: Re: Rifftrax Book Club
Post by: anais.jude on November 28, 2007, 01:51:11 PM
I like Stokers other works like The Jewel of Seven Stars or The Lair of the White Worm

After a little checking, both of which  are available from Project Gutenberg.

i would like to read liar of the white worm. what's his face....the guy who directed tommy....and lady chatterley's lover....Ken Russell ( i had to look that up) directed a version of the film adaptation.

i can't read things on the internet though, it hurts my eyes too much
Title: Re: Rifftrax Book Club
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on November 28, 2007, 02:55:42 PM
Alright everybody who wants to should read "Dune" starting.............................NOW!

Then January 5th or so we will begin discussions.  I will generate some topics to discuss with the help of my #1 (Dwight) and with help from anybody else interested.  Anybody who has read the book will be allowed to post about the book, but anybody who hasn't please don't interject *cough* Sideswipe *cough*.
Title: Re: Rifftrax Book Club
Post by: erika_lk on November 28, 2007, 03:09:34 PM
Alright everybody who wants to should read "Dune" starting.............................NOW!

Ah, damn, I didn't realize this was a timed test.   ;)
Title: Re: Rifftrax Book Club
Post by: Reductio_ad_absurdum on November 28, 2007, 03:53:02 PM
If you can stand a bit of Christian Literature, I recommend The Man Who Was Thursday by G.k. Chesterton.  It is genuinely funny and is a good spoof of the detective / spy fiction.  There is a lot you can discuss about it as well.

http://www.booksamillion.com/ncom/books?id=3962939192761&isbn=0140183884

Of course, I'm just a Chesterton fanboy after all.
Title: Re: Rifftrax Book Club
Post by: Tripe on November 28, 2007, 04:54:09 PM
The Man who was Thursday is excellent. Have you read The Napoleon of Notting Hill as well?

Oh and on the subject of Catholic lit, I was going to suggest Hadrian VII except I think the copy I have is the last edition that was in print and it's currently hard to find. I'll have to check Gutenberg.

Sod it, I'll flip through one of my copies of Dune and join in. Do you want to stop at the novel proper of include the appendices
Title: Re: Rifftrax Book Club
Post by: Reductio_ad_absurdum on November 29, 2007, 02:50:26 PM
The Man who was Thursday is excellent. Have you read The Napoleon of Notting Hill as well?

Oh and on the subject of Catholic lit, I was going to suggest Hadrian VII except I think the copy I have is the last edition that was in print and it's currently hard to find. I'll have to check Gutenberg.

Sod it, I'll flip through one of my copies of Dune and join in. Do you want to stop at the novel proper of include the appendices

Haven't gone to it yet.  I've read some of The Ball and the Cross, all of The Everlasting Man, all of Orthodoxy, of course The Man Who Was Thursday and a wee bit of Manalive.  Except for Ignatius Press works, I use this site to read some of his works. http://www.pagebypagebooks.com/Gilbert_K_Chesterton/
Title: Re: Rifftrax Book Club
Post by: Tripe on November 29, 2007, 03:27:42 PM
Ever read any Waugh or Greene?
Title: Re: Rifftrax Book Club
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on December 27, 2007, 06:34:29 PM
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2123/2142128947_da5895c382_o.jpg)

Well, hello, I will still be in Sandals, Jamaica finishing up reading Dune, so Acting Regional Manager anais.jude will get the ball rolling with the Dune discussion.

So get ready to discuss Dune!
Title: Re: Rifftrax Book Club
Post by: anais.jude on December 28, 2007, 08:52:52 AM
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2123/2142128947_da5895c382_o.jpg)

Well, hello, I will still be in Sandals, Jamaica finishing up reading Dune, so Acting Regional Manager anais.jude will get the ball rolling with the Dune discussion.

So get ready to discuss Dune!

BTA you don't look too happy. I bet you gay (said in Monty Python voice)
Title: Re: Rifftrax Book Club
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on December 28, 2007, 10:15:59 AM
O.k. here I altered my smile so I "appear" to be not so gay.
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2278/2143666429_02c69fe687_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Rifftrax Book Club
Post by: anais.jude on December 28, 2007, 01:43:19 PM
still when you compare yours to steve carell's...................

and i don't really think your gay. i think you love robots
Title: Re: Rifftrax Book Club
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on March 18, 2008, 04:51:34 PM
Officially dead!  R.I.P.   :'(
Title: Re: Rifftrax Book Club
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on March 25, 2008, 06:16:17 PM
OK!

Anybody wanna read this:
http://www.amazon.com/Novel-without-Name-Duong-Huong/dp/0140255109/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1206493574&sr=8-1 (http://www.amazon.com/Novel-without-Name-Duong-Huong/dp/0140255109/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1206493574&sr=8-1)
and this:
http://www.amazon.com/Women-Charles-Bukowski/dp/0876853904 (http://www.amazon.com/Women-Charles-Bukowski/dp/0876853904)

Please let me know.
Title: Re: Rifftrax Book Club
Post by: Tripe on March 25, 2008, 06:19:03 PM
Yes. Either really though I'd lean toward the first (because I already own it and am a terrible penny pincher)
Title: Re: Rifftrax Book Club
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on March 25, 2008, 06:24:09 PM
Ham on Rye is good though too.

Also, Post Office, his first book.

Factotum is great.  I read it last year while fishing.
Title: Re: Rifftrax Book Club
Post by: Tripe on March 25, 2008, 06:26:15 PM
What did you think of the film?
Title: Re: Rifftrax Book Club
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on March 25, 2008, 06:28:40 PM
Film?

I didn't know/see film. 

Interesting.
Title: Re: Rifftrax Book Club
Post by: Tripe on March 25, 2008, 06:32:39 PM
Yep (http://imdb.com/title/tt0417658/)

Though you not knowing about it isn't that surprising, I'd not heard about it till early last year. Now that's some impressive promotion. ::)
Title: Re: Rifftrax Book Club
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on March 25, 2008, 06:40:24 PM
Yep (http://imdb.com/title/tt0417658/)

Though you not knowing about it isn't that surprising, I'd not heard about it till early last year. Now that's some impressive promotion. ::)

Cool.  I just added it to the top of my queue in Netflix.
Title: Re: Rifftrax Book Club
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on March 31, 2008, 10:51:37 AM
Tripe, I just got Novel Without a Name in the mail today.  Gonna start reading it tonight.
Title: Re: Rifftrax Book Club
Post by: Tripe on March 31, 2008, 10:54:59 AM
Cool I located it in one of my bookshelves I'll dig it out when I get home, you wanbt to read to a certain point and come back to discuss?
Title: Re: Rifftrax Book Club
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on March 31, 2008, 11:05:06 AM
Yeah, we could do that. 
Title: Re: Rifftrax Book Club
Post by: Tripe on March 31, 2008, 11:11:07 AM
Say chapters 1-3 and then check back?
Title: Re: Rifftrax Book Club
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on March 31, 2008, 11:13:22 AM
Yeah, that's cool.
Title: Re: Rifftrax Book Club
Post by: Tripe on March 31, 2008, 03:19:25 PM
Wow it has been a while since I read this. You'd think I'd remember the no chapters bit ::) :-[.

Ok how about reading to the paragraph that starts thusly:

Quote
The old priest wore a flowing gray tunic. The day before my little brother was born he took us to a monastery where the father superior was a friend of my maternal grandparents.

It's page 62 in my edition.
Title: Re: Rifftrax Book Club
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on March 31, 2008, 03:30:34 PM
Page 62 in mine too.   :D
Title: Re: Rifftrax Book Club
Post by: Tripe on March 31, 2008, 03:31:51 PM
Good good, that'll be where we discuss the book thus far.

Anyone else whose interested in reading along can do, Amazon can have the book to you in a couple of days  :)
Title: Re: Rifftrax Book Club
Post by: anais.jude on April 01, 2008, 02:00:05 PM
oh so the rifftrax book club is now the tripe and bta show.


FINE! SEE IF I CARE!



 :'(
Title: Re: Rifftrax Book Club
Post by: Tripe on April 01, 2008, 02:35:33 PM
You can find the book Anais  :)

Incidentally Amy, I was going to make some soup later, fancy any?
Title: Re: Rifftrax Book Club
Post by: Tripe on April 02, 2008, 02:47:55 PM
Ok ready when you are.
Title: Re: Rifftrax Book Club
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on April 02, 2008, 04:01:43 PM
I got 4 pages left.  I just fell asleep reading it.
I will finish up here in a minute.

No soup for me.
Title: Re: Rifftrax Book Club
Post by: Tripe on April 02, 2008, 04:16:20 PM
Cool though I'll have to start discussions a little later (possibly tomorrow morning).

Yes I think I'll stay away from soup for a while  :speechless:
Title: Re: Rifftrax Book Club
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on April 02, 2008, 04:19:19 PM
Ok then I'm done now.

At least there were no monkey brains for desert.
Title: Re: Rifftrax Book Club
Post by: anais.jude on April 02, 2008, 08:31:43 PM
you two suck!  :grr:
Title: Re: Rifftrax Book Club
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on April 02, 2008, 08:32:43 PM
you two suck!  :grr:

Troll
Title: Re: Rifftrax Book Club
Post by: Tripe on April 03, 2008, 05:16:53 AM
Yes so what do we think so far?

Was there ever a real orangutan on the "present time" hunt at the beginning or way Luy simply hallucinating?

How would we say the experiences of Quan are like and how do they differ from those of an American soldier who also joined up at 18.

I think those should be good for a start.
Title: Re: Rifftrax Book Club
Post by: bettertomorrowamy on April 03, 2008, 05:24:57 AM
Yes so what do we think so far?

Was there ever a real orangutan on the "present time" hunt at the beginning or way Luy simply hallucinating?


It's hard to say one way or the other on that one.  Everybody is so meat craved, and just hungry in general.  Might have possibly been mass hallucinating the first time they ate the orangutan meat.  They might have just eat dead people.

It was probably just an honest mistake because his strong desire to eat.

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Post by: Tripe on April 03, 2008, 05:34:13 AM
You know I'd not thought of that but yes that is possible, they may well have never eaten Orangutan at all. Oh god.

The bit where Quan gives in and eats some of the hand is the stand out moment of horror in that section, even the accidental shooting pales by comparison.
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Post by: bettertomorrowamy on April 03, 2008, 05:48:32 AM
Might have even been dead babies.
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Post by: Tripe on April 03, 2008, 05:49:56 AM
Well children probably.

Ok well no meat soup for me for a while.

No matter if it tastes better than venison
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Post by: bettertomorrowamy on April 03, 2008, 05:54:04 AM
As far as the second question of yours goes, I think both sets of 18 year olds had a lot of indoctrination that they went through.  Both were told that the war was for the good of their country.  But when the war is on your land it is much easier figure out the real reasons for fighting.

I don't think most American soldiers ever really figured out why they were fighting.
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Post by: Tripe on April 03, 2008, 05:57:46 AM
Also I think that while there were a few lifers in VN the majority of the American side who joined at 18 wouldn't still be there at 28.

So what they experienced would be potentially a small part of their life, even if it was a horrific and indelible part, it wouldn't be the whole of it.
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Post by: bettertomorrowamy on April 09, 2008, 11:54:52 AM
I've only gotten to page 94, but tonight I'll get to .... what page are we supposed to be at?
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Post by: Tripe on April 09, 2008, 11:58:38 AM
116 I think,

Actually you're ahead of me, i had some grandmother things to deal with I'm just past Quan's horrible realisation about the valley of the pregnant cows. But I should be at the next check point shortly.
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Post by: bettertomorrowamy on April 09, 2008, 12:02:41 PM
All post some discussion topics when I'm done since you did it last time.
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Post by: Tripe on April 13, 2008, 07:48:19 AM
Ok I'm good to go whenever you're ready.  :)
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Post by: bettertomorrowamy on April 15, 2008, 12:16:11 PM
Ok, I'm done.  Sorry bout that.  I've been screwing around with some stuff at work involving the Union.

Maybe I'm a racist, but I can't imagine a large Vietnamese man who could intimidate a whole village like that Bien guy's dad.

 There are a lot of Vietnamese in Lincoln here, and I've seen them working on their cars.  They actually squat inside the hood on the frame of the vehicle while they tinker.  It's really fascinating.  I wish I could do that.
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Post by: Tripe on April 15, 2008, 12:30:40 PM
I think that's why he's so intimidating.  I pictured a male and female Sumo team with Bien a bit like an Asian version of D'Onfrio from Full Metal Jacket, only not really crazy.

I mean Asian man/woman mountains do exist, just not that often.

Here's something interspersed amongst the horror and degradation do you find the descriptions of food (aside from THE SOUP :speechless:) delicious. My office goes out to lunch at different restaurants every so often, I've been pushing for Vietnamese next time.
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Post by: bettertomorrowamy on April 15, 2008, 01:35:07 PM
We were in Denver at a Vietnamese restaurant and my aunt tried Octopus.  She said it was like eating rubberbands, but yeah the food does sound good and healthy.
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Post by: Tripe on April 15, 2008, 01:48:46 PM
You want to eat Squid rather than Octopus which is a bitch to cook.


So is Bien in any way crazy or just crazy like a humongous fox?





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Post by: bettertomorrowamy on April 15, 2008, 01:53:29 PM
Sounds like he is doing whatever he can to get out of fighting without deserting.
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Post by: Tripe on April 15, 2008, 03:57:14 PM
Ah but look at what that action might hold for him when it comes to returning home.
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Post by: Tripe on April 24, 2008, 06:05:55 PM
Ok I'm all set whenever you are ready :)
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Post by: bettertomorrowamy on April 27, 2008, 08:09:58 AM
I'm not done yet.  Actually, I'm not home yet, so it could be a few days until I get done reading since I don't have the book with me.
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Post by: Tripe on April 27, 2008, 08:11:30 AM
That's fine :)

Just let me know when you're ready.

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Post by: bettertomorrowamy on May 08, 2008, 05:06:53 AM
Well I don't remember what page to read to now.  I'm at 150 now.
All that talk about the girl he left in the village when he went to war was very sad.  It kinda sorta reminded me of someone from high school.
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Post by: Tripe on May 08, 2008, 05:19:58 AM
We were reading to 184.  :)

But yeah have you got to the bit where he goes to visit her?

It's very sad how life can utterly crush somebody.
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Post by: bettertomorrowamy on May 08, 2008, 05:53:57 AM
Ah, ok.  34 pages I can read very quickly.
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Post by: bettertomorrowamy on May 11, 2008, 09:17:55 AM
I'm done in record time!

Wow.  Secret project:  coffins.  That's depressing.
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Post by: anais.jude on May 11, 2008, 12:12:05 PM
record time? it took you 4 days to read 34 pages......is what i would say if i was an impatient bitch


but we all know that isn't true


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Post by: bettertomorrowamy on May 11, 2008, 04:21:07 PM
The communist party leaders on the train reminded me of Dreamscape for some reason, and it reminded me a lot of Dr. Zhivago.
Everywhere he goes he is becoming more and more aware that he is just a cog in a wheel, and there is no end in sight but death.
All the patriotic zealotry has long since passed.
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Post by: Tripe on May 11, 2008, 05:17:46 PM
You know it's interesting, I've read a review where that passage is listed as being a standout flat note in the book but actually I find it sort of pivotal.

The way they stride onto the train as masters of their world and even have the temerity to mock the very foundation of the ideology the people around them are suffering so much for seems to be the blackened pearl at the heart of the novel.

The industriousness of the special squad is at turns touching and incredibly disturbing,; they have both a real purpose and camaraderie but the purpse is so hideous and their conditions so poor it's amazing they can stay motivated at all.

Ok where to next?

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Post by: bettertomorrowamy on May 11, 2008, 05:43:00 PM
Page 237?

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Post by: Tripe on May 11, 2008, 05:45:16 PM
Ok sounds good.
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Post by: bettertomorrowamy on May 28, 2008, 06:23:18 AM
Let's just finish the book.  Is that cool.  Then I'm sure we will have plenty to talk about.

I haven't been a very good reader, but I intend to be done by Saturday.

Then we can move on to the next book.
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Post by: Tripe on May 28, 2008, 06:25:12 AM
Fine by me :)

Hopefully the weather will be nice and I can sit outside and read the next few evenings.

Incidentally have you read All Quiet on the Western Front?
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Post by: bettertomorrowamy on May 30, 2008, 01:31:02 PM
I think I did in high school but I'm not sure.

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Post by: Tripe on May 30, 2008, 02:41:40 PM
I just wondered how you thought it compared if you'd remembered it. :)
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Post by: bettertomorrowamy on May 30, 2008, 03:06:30 PM
I think I saw the movie and yeah it is kind of like this book.  Same feeling of the futility of war.
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Post by: Tripe on May 30, 2008, 03:07:36 PM
But also showing that futility from a side that, at least in the anglophone world, rarely gets heard.
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Post by: bettertomorrowamy on May 30, 2008, 03:08:55 PM
Yeah are culture tends to view everything from our perspective, and treats the other side as if they are animals when really we are all the same.
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Post by: Tripe on May 30, 2008, 03:14:19 PM
Not sure I'd go that far but certainly it's an eye opener.
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Post by: bettertomorrowamy on May 30, 2008, 03:20:24 PM
Well popular culture.
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Post by: bettertomorrowamy on June 09, 2008, 06:53:57 PM
I finished it.  Hurrah! 

I read Women all the way to page 75, so I guess that is the next stopping and discussing point.

Back to the first book, the last half of it felt like a different book to me.  What did you think?
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Post by: Tripe on June 10, 2008, 05:01:18 AM
Yeah i think the visit home altered Quan and his perceptions of the war and life in general.

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Post by: bettertomorrowamy on June 11, 2008, 05:39:51 AM
I think seeing how his home and country have been effected away from the action of the war re-energized him.  Definitely more than the propaganda did when he first joined.
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Post by: Tripe on June 11, 2008, 06:01:57 AM
What did you think of the ending, with the American?